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(c) 1991 Jon J. Hilgreen The following is a compilation of articles sent to the grunge rock discussion mailing list, V090JTCV@UBVMS, now know as grunge-l@ubvm. This file has been edited for clairity and non-related subject matter. The messages written below are not quotes, do not hold the below mentioned people responsible, due to the chance of altered text. This file is subject to restrictions of The Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986, USC 2510-2511, as amended. Unlawful interception and/or redistribution of this file is a Federal crime, punishable by a maximium $10,000.00 dollar fine, and/or imprisonment for up to five years. Of course, you do have permission to redistribute it, as long as you say where you got it. Jon J. Hilgreen, list owner GRUNGE-L@UBVM rockin@mudhoney.micro.umn.edu - /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Howdy all, From here on I will be forwarding each message that comes to my account with the subject title "grunge" to the mailing list. With the message only only being on news for nine hours I received 5 responces. Hopefully in a couple of days we will be even larger! Right now there is only 9 of us. The 5 who responded from mail, John F, from Manchester, UK, two of my friends Bob and Anna and myself. Below is some excerpts of John's last letter to me (Hope that is okay, Johnny). And each of the 5 letters in whole from today. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: IN%"jsf@CS.MAN.AC.UK" 18-APR-1990 23:35:07.12 Subj: This and that Certainly sounds like you're a permanent fixture at FNM gigs these days. I guess they should stop touring soon and get on with some more writing. As for Prong, I see they're about to attempt a debut album release. I may pick up a copy on the strength or your reccommendation. I'll try my best to say Hi from you to Bill the Bass at the Manchester gig, but I should warn you that it's in as big "proper" theatre rather than a club :-(, and it'll be hard to get forward if my ticket won't let me. Anyway, I'll see what I can do! Wish they were playing a smaller venue, but there was some crowd barrier trouble at a London club gig last time they were over here, so it's big theatres this time. -- Well, my tastes might be more varied, but I might follow things up to less depth than you do. Anyway, the best guide to what I'm into is probably what's littering the floor round my cd player at the moment. So (off the top of my head), how about: New Model Army - "The Ghost of Cain" and "Thunder & Consolation". Traditional Rock band with a heavy social conscience to their songs. The music has a (slight) folksy feel.They were once refused entry to the States for being of "no artistic merit". They have a tremendously dedicated following in this country and manage the occasional top 40 hit. Their most recent material (on these two albums) is a lot less political and much more emotional and accessible. I really recommend "T&C" (esp for the extra tracks on CD). They are clones of nobody. Jesus Jones - "Liquidiser": Debut LP from well-weird indie band into significant sampling and synthy sound over a heavy beat. Thanks on the album go to everyone from Napalm Death to Faith and beyond. I'm not really sure what I think of the record yet, though - Ask me in a few weeks! I think they're the antidote to Depeche Mode (Yeah, I know you like DM - I used to too!). Carlo Gesualdo - "Tenebraes": This is renaissance choral music (I actually have quite a lot of this kind of stuff on cd, and I perform sometimes). Difficult stuff. This particular record is of music by one of the most twisted minds of the 16th & 17th centuries. He's suspected of at least one murder, yet he wrote very profound religious vocal music - but even in the music you can hear madness - the harmonies twist painfully when you least expect it. Weird ... Celtic Frost - "Vanity/Nemesis": I've heard no CF before, but bought the album a couple of days ago. Dark indeed! A bit like Voivod in just one respect - I'm not sure whether the words are just meant to set an atmosphere or maybe this is some big con:-) The music - thrash, but not generic. Great musicianship definitely setting a well-menacing mood. King's X - "Gretchen Goes to Nebraska": One of the best albums I bought last year - you probably know all about this lot anyway. Well, that's it for the moment. I'll be listening to something else by next week! That list probably fairly reflects the artists I'm really listening to at the moment (plus the ones you already know about: Faith, SG VoiV etc.). There's a lot more classical stuff in my collection, but I listen to that less than I used to. In fact, a few years ago I wasn't listening to anything much else. If you get a chance, listen to some of the stuff I've mentioned and let me know what *you* think. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: IN%"stoltz@hao.ucar.EDU" 23-APR-1990 13:00:12.29 Subj: SUb-pop bands Glad to see someone else is into Sub-pop bands. If you haven't done so, you should check out a band called the Fluid on the Sub-Pop label. They are my favorite band right now, and gaining some popularity around the country. They have a new album coming out soon, but their last album, Roadmouth, is a good place to start. Take it easy, let me know what kind of response you get to your grunge rock posting... Peter -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: IN%"JJC110@PSUVM.PSU.EDU" "Jeff Hochberg" 23-APR-1990 13:14:59.71 Subj: RE: SOUNDGARDEN Request Could you let me know how to get in touch with this guy? Thanks. ...Jeff... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=- The above was refering to a post on news reguarding soundgardens mailing list. Below is the address. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: IN%"USERW11N@UMICHUM.BITNET" "Brian Jarvinen" 23-APR-1990 17:43:36.87 Subj: grunge Hey, I'd love a grunge music mailing list. Were you the guy who posted something about owning a Soundgarden radio-only live CD? What's on it? I've heard of a version of "Come Together" being a bonus track on some promo single or something, is this the same thing? Also, do you think A&M will release any of the out of print Soundgarden stuff from either SubPop or SST? My roommate had "Ultramega O.K." but he has since moved away and I never even taped it...I wish SST would get their act together and press some more copies of that album. Where I do find out more about the "Knights of the Sound Table" zine? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The SOUNDGARDEN Promo single for Hands all over has Come together on it. It was done in a studio, it is not live. It does feature Jason Everman on bass, though. I have "Ultramega OK". I doubt A&M will release any of the early stuff, though they did release "Heretic" a song off the Screaming life EP. They may just release the early stuff as B-sides. Does anyone have the FOPP EP, or Screaming life EP? I don't have it. Here is Soundgardend Fan club address: Knights of the Soundtable P.O. Box 61275 Seattle, Wa. 98121 Do me a favor, Tell them "Rockin' Jon from Buffalo gave you the address" What you get is a one page news letter a sticker and lyrics from "Louder than love". I am sure that If you asked for lyrics from older stuff they would have it. -Jon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: IN%"bruss@UCSD.EDU" 23-APR-1990 12:09:19.16 Subj: RE: Sub-pop bands in general (Was: Re: Nirvana) In article <22716@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> you write: > >How many people are into the grunge rock thing? Not just Seattle bands, but >bands from all over that fill the grunge sound. Would you be interested in >contributing to a specific Digest or mailing list on the grung thang? No >flames from Marilion and rush fans, I realize that they're the only bands cool >enough to have a discussion group (See the Kate Bush flames). If you would >be interested in this kinda thing, send me mail. Ok, I'm interested. I just got "Bleach" and "Louder Than Love", and Mudhoney and Tad are next on the list. I'd like to know more about them and others, so add me to any mailing list that gets created. Brian -- Brian Russ CSE Department, UC San Diego ...!sdcsvax!bruss bruss@beowulf.ucsd.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: IN%"gt5116b@prism.gatech.EDU" 23-APR-1990 22:38:24.92 Subj: RE: Sub-pop bands in general (Was: Re: Nirvana) Hi, i'm kind of new to this mail thing, but rec.music.misc is what is one of |thenewsgroups i check regularly. i'm into heavy metal/thrash/grunge (no glam, |made up pretty-boys pop metal crap please!) and i would be definitively interested |ina subgroup dedicated to this type of music. i know about |alt.rock-n-roll.metal but unfortunately my school doesn't subscribe to that. |I went to see Soundgarden here in Atlanta and thought they were great. Atlanta is an dead town as far as metal in general is concerned and so i'm usually way behind the times on new stuff. I try to keep up with the Seattle metal scene somewhat, since Queensrych e is one of my favorite bands, plus i get a chance to get up there at least |once a year. Anyways count me in. Gabriella (Gaby) Alsing |gt5116b@hydra.gatech.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: IN%"jsf@CS.MAN.AC.UK" 24-APR-1990 07:49:29.54 Subj: RE: GRUNGE Yup, I got that. Nothing in the message, though. A minimalist comment on the vacuous state of music today, no? (hey, I can write this crap. I oughta be a journalist) See ya John -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: IN%"USERW11N@UMICHUM.BITNET" "Brian Jarvinen" 24-APR-1990 14:44:49.68 Subj: GRUNGE Well all right! S>U>B PU>B PU>B P Also, could someone send me a copy of the Matt Cameron letter that I sent out? I forgot to copy it for the archives. THANKS! -J -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: IN%"hogge@m2.csc.ti.COM" 28-MAY-1990 17:05:08.61 Subj: GRUNGE I kinda doubt sure yet if sending from here to V090JTCV@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu did anything, but we'll see. With a name like "Grunge" and things like Melvins and Napalm Death being mentioned, I felt like I could trust people's taste. I haven't bought any Pussy Galore since the seminal 7" "Feel Good About Your Body". Heard Dial M or another album of that period at a party--thought it was decent but lacked the attraction of my money. But the review here of their latest Spanish label history of rock series thingy can't possibly remember the name of peeked my interest. It rocks. It's one of the best grunge albums in my growing collection. It's very raw, stripped down (not having any bass), but the guitar mess stays so interesting during the whole aural experience. And drips American history of blues. Later, --John (My stay here is likely to be short, since I may be leaving TI for a small co' in Dallas not on the network. But I toast your GRUNGE idea, urge you to keep it small so's you don't get new people talking on and on about Wax Trax records. But, 9 people may be too small to maintain volume. You guys may be aware of nm-list@beach.cis.ufl.edu which started out with noble intensions and got watered down by industrial danceheads. But if you do want to expand your list without risking loss of "quality," I got some names of the good nm-list types, or you can join and monitor it and pick the people you like.) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: IN%"hogge@m2.csc.ti.COM" 29-MAY-1990 13:37:42.37 Subj: GRUNGE Ugly Truth has this mailing list called GRUNGE which looks pretty good, with discussions about subpop bands, Melvins, Napalm Death, Pussy Galore, etc. and so far nothing about industrial dance. Until/unless/instead of Bill getting his art noise list going, this might be a recommended course of action. Send to v090jtcv@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu to join and same address with GRUNGE beginning the subject field to post. The list is small (9 people) and looking to expand without watering down the original concept. Thus, I've just addressed a few of the nm-listers I had addresses for who are into grunge of some sort or another. Hsu is the resident jazz grunge expert. wicinski@sgi.com/laurab@Sun.COM represent the west coast. I'll probably leave the net soon. If you have addresses for other nm-listers who you think would contribute well, pass it on. Regards, --John -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: IN%"hsu@uicsrd.csrd.uiuc.edu" "William Tsun-Yuk Hsu" 29-MAY-1990 15:01: 51.29 Subj: RE: GRUNGE If Ugly Truth doesn't mind I will pass on the information to the people on my list. Let me know either way. Bill -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Well, I should have believed Rob Skinner, of Coffin Break, when he told me that Jason Everman was temporary, I thought it was Bassist envy. Well The oficial press release goes something like this: "Bassist Jason Everman has left SOUNDGARDEN and been replaced by Ben Shepard, from the Seattle punk outfit, MARCH OF CRIMES." I have not been able to confirm rumours that Everman has joined The Cult as of yet, stay tuned. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seattle's SCREAMING TREES have signed with Epic/CBS records -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Well, it is not 100%, but CMJ reported that a distribution deal with Columbia/CBS is imminant for Sub-pop records. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- It is official, Rob Skinner, of Coffin Break told me first, but I didn't believe him. Seattle's MUDHONEY will put out a single called "Thron" and an album soon after that, tour in the fall and then disband. Guitarist Steve Turner is going back to school. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: IN%"hogge@m2.csc.ti.COM" 30-MAY-1990 12:33:28.04 Subj: GRUNGE Coffin Break Damn, I missed hearing Coffin Break. What a great name. Did I miss anything? --John -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- About coffin break, you didn't miss anything. They have a new LP out on C/Z records and I will review it as soon as I get a little spare time, I have been real busy. I thought it would lighten up after school was out, but it never ends. Ho Hum. COFFIN BREAK will be touring this summer, I met Rob, the basist with TAD, he was their tour babysitter. J -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: IN%"USERW11N@UMICHUM.BITNET" "Brian Jarvinen" 30-MAY-1990 15:26:52.36 Subj: GRUNGE Well let's see, I was going to ask about Coffin Break, more specifically about their new single which I think has a cover of "Free Bird" on the b-side????? How about some 7" reviews? I would recommend any of the Big Chief 45s if you can get them. "Get Down and Double Check" (Get Hip #125) shouldn't be too hard to track down. Get Hip #122, "e/v" by Thee Evolution Revolution is a pretty good bit of, well, grunge with a good primitive beat to it. (actually four songs on this 45). Another Ann Arbor band has a 45 out that I like; Mol Triffid "I Wanna See Pretty People Doing Ugly Things". They'll probably start touring regionally soon. Anyone have a 45 from Alcoholics Unanomous? sp? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: IN%"hsu@uicsrd.csrd.uiuc.edu" "William Tsun-Yuk Hsu" 30-MAY-1990 16:27: 26.30 Subj: RE: GRUNGE I'm not sure if a Re: GRUNGE will get posted, but here goes... C/Z has two other releases (besides the Coffin Break stuff which I haven't heard) that are worth checking out. The Tone Dogs lp with Amy Denio and friends is a tasty brew of Euro-progressive a la Fred Frith and friends (in fact Frith and several friends help out on the record) plus some vicious guitar noize of the Sonic Youth variety. The Slack lp is less essential but still a lot of fun, if you're into the punk funk with horns thang. Bill -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: UBVMS::V090JTCV "Ugly_Truth" 1-JUN-1990 13:41:18.14 Subj: GRUNGE SMASHING PUMPKINS I AM ONE/NOT WORTH ASKING (7") LIMITED POTENTIAL RECORDS P.O. BOX 268586 CHICAGO, IL. 60626 (312) 764 - 9636 When I looked at the cover of the SMASHING PUMPKINS single I new this was something new and something special. The cover had a drawing of a peasent girl in purple, black, and white with the name of the band up the side, covered with plastic and a white paper inner cover. Still a little werry, I threw the plastic on the turntable. The only way I can describe this band is by their influences, the only problem I have with doing it is I normally don't like to do it, especially with a talented band like SP. SP remind me of an odd hybrid of SOUNDGARDEN meets HUSKER DU meets Buffalo's THE GOO GOO DOLLS meets SONIC YOUTH, meets NAKED RAYGUN. The Music is grungy, flowing and driving. The A side, "I am one" reminds me of SOUNDGARDEN's "Flower" but at the same time, catchier. With this song you can definately see SP can easily see that has it's roots in the underground and hardcore sceenes. The B side, usually a weaker song, is great if not better than "I am one". It is called, "Not worth asking". Very similar to the A side, but more mellow, and fuzzy. My friend "Bob Who" agreed with the description of retro-pop. Billy Corgan and James Iha's guitars are fuzz, distortion, and grape cool aid all in one. Jimmy Chamberlain's skins are solid and powerful, he left the flash where it belongs, in a camera and on stage with RUSH. Darcy Wretzky impressed me, I think her creeping bass line is the biggest reason for the SOUNDGARDEN comparison, her playing reminds me of Jason Everman (ex-SOUNDGARDEN), but she does it better. SP has had alot of experience to work in their talent playing with JANE'S ADDICTION, THE BUZZCOCKS, Chigago playmates ELEVENTH DREAM DAY, SYD STRAW, and CAMPER VAN BEETHOVEN to name a few. Also look for SP on Halo records, LIGHT INTO DARK compilation, already out. They plan on releasing an album called GISH, in the fall. They plan on touring the mid west this summer, go see them! If you haven't noticed, I LOVE THEM! Call your hip record store and see if they have it, if not call Limited Potential records in Chicago and find out how you can get it. -Jon Hilgreen "If you long for days when pixies were little faeries and not a band from Boston, don't smash pumpkins" -Bill Dalton Regarding their 19 song demo, "It's full of acid-rock groves, psychedelic folk rock and droning instruments reminiscent of the VELVET UNDERGROUND, early DEEP PURPLE, and 60's garage bands like the 99TH FLOOR ELEVATORS." Greg Kot, Chigago Tribune "Although their name refers to a vegetable, their music is pure beef" - Kristopher Hoeksema, The Daily Cardinal, University of Wisconsin +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: IN%"USERW11N@UMICHUM.BITNET" "Brian Jarvinen" 5-JUN-1990 09:37:21.92 Subj: GRUNGE Well I second any motion for increasing readership of this group without getting too public. Question of the post: Anyone hear Jack Endino's solo album? Worth 9 bucks? I just picked up a used Texas Instruments record. I was actually a bit disappointed, I thought they would be much noisier. Maybe I just didn't listen to it loud enough yet. Is there a different band called Texxas Instruments? I also picked up a Plan 9 EP and was again disappointed by the totally boring singer who sounded like he'd rather be doing something else. Some interesting bits await exploration on a louder system though. And the band I'd really like to see do something this year is the Flaming Lips. I saw them last October and was most impressed. Anyone hear anything about them? "Fryin' up on Easter Sunday / Blowin off everything on Monday" - bonus track on Telepathic Surgery CDs and Tapes. Anyone care to part with their Sub Pop single, I believe it was a cover of "Peace, Love & Understanding"? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: IN%"hogge@m2.csc.ti.COM" 5-JUN-1990 17:05:04.73 Subj: GRUNGE flaming lips, plasticland, plan9, TI >From: Brian Jarvinen TI (the band, not the company) sucks live. Yawn. Plan9 is worth the money when you have such psychedelic greats as Plasticland, Flaming Lips (the Telepathic Surgery CD highly recommended), Acid Jam, Outskirts of Infinity, and maybe even early Bevis Frond (Tryptiche, the album after Miasma, and Auntie Emma Album, but stay clear of the latest album). Also, one killer piece of high studio quality garage-style psych is the band Under Neath What, album "What is this/it (sic.)", on some major label. A little like quality Fuzztones, with some reggae moments, really cool bass and vocals. I like retro 60's stuff when it's more than garage sludge. --John ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: UBVMS::V089QL9Q "lusting after johnny goo...." 11-JUN-1990 18:06:03.91 Subj: RE: GRUNGE wow... got to my account and i saw 18 messages and i thought to myself "i bet they're from jon" and i was right about the flaming lips (whoever mentioned them) i saw them here(at UB) with theolonius monster and the throwing muses and they SUCKED halfway through their set all the power went out which caused the crowd to cheer and then attempt to boo them off when their smoke and bubble machined filled show continued but that was 3 years ago and i haven't heard them since so--- i am still at a lost for the loss of one so dear to my musical strings (that is -- jason everman) and to think just days after purchasing the SOUNDGARDEN louder than live video and worshipping it for hours on end.....including making my mother watch and coaxing into replying 'yes' to my estatic whines of "aren't they great?" my only question is---what exactly are eric and chris doing ?????????????????????????????? enough ----------------- anna i-need-a-new-rock-idol everman ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: IN%"USERW11N@UMICHUM.BITNET" "Brian Jarvinen" 11-JUN-1990 18:42:57.97 Subj: grunge well what is the deal with this Soundgarden video, is it an A&M release and thus available everywhere? how long is it? and does anyone know of a place that might have a copy of "Ultramega O.K." in stock? the only copy I know of belongs to a friend in Georgia who now reports that it has an evil scratch and can't be taped in it's entirety anymore...I haven't been able to find a new or used copy for months and months...what is the deal with SST? I see the new Dinosaur Jr single is on Sub-Pop... when the flaming lips played here one of their opening acts was Nirvana, in fact it was their first time here in Ann Arbor, and most people came to see Seattle rock. I've heard the Lips have gone through several drummers - a friend who saw them with me in Ann Arbor said they really sucked the 1st time he saw them as they were playing live with a new drummer for the 1st time. either way, I'm going back as soon as they tour - their closing, wordless jam here went "Right Now->Eclipse->1969->Right Now". intense, especially when listened to on a combination of their monitors and the PA system. I've been working on a Mudhoney compilation tape and I want to make sure I haven't missed anything, so here is my attempt at a Mudhoney discography: "Hate The Police" - Mondo Stereo Compilation and Boiled Beef & Rotting Teeth CD EP from the UK "24" - Dope Guns & Fucking in the Streets comp (an excellent comp!) "Touch Me I'm Sick" / "Sweet Young Thing Ain't Sweet No More" - SubPop 7" SuperFuzzBigMuff EP - SubPop "Halloween" - SubPop 7", Blast First 12" (UK) "The Rose" - Sub Pop 200 compilation "Burn It Clean" / "You Got It (Keep It Outta My Face)" - SubPop 7" + "Need" (demo version) Glitterhouse 12" (Germany) (this version of Need is the only track here I don't have, is it worth getting?) "Need" (live in Berlin) - Howl3 7" (Germany) "This Gift" / "Baby Help Me Forget" - SubPop 7" + "Revolution" Glitterhouse 12" (Germany) mudhoney LP - SubPop are there any known Mudhoney covers besides Sonic Youth's "Touch Me I'm Sick"? Did the Spacemen 3 ever get the balls to do a Mudhoney cover after they heard the re-worked "Revolution"? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: UBVMS::V089QL9Q "lusting after johnny goo...." 11-JUN-1990 19:11:26.37 Subj: RE: GRUNGE about the SOUNDGARDEN video.... it is an A&M release and i found my copy at a really trendy record store therefore it should be available everywhere it is like 50 minutes long with 5 live songs including a "big bottom/earache my eye" medley and 2 super cheesy really bad videos--hands all over and loud love-- i think i found ultramega o.k. at several record stores in the buffalo area on compact disc as well now only if a could find the screaming life e.p. anna i-need-a-new-rock-idol everman ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: UBVMS::V090JTCV "Ugly_Truth" 11-JUN-1990 20:21:28.88 Subj: GRUNGE "UltraMegga O.K." is available in alot of stores. Call SST and ask them if you have to. "Screaming Life" is available at your and my favorite record store, only four blocks from "The DOG house", Record Theater. Speaking of "The DOG house" I just got mail from the loser of the house, Bob. You know Bob from Chandler and Bob. *SMILE* Inside joke to Bob and our friend Colleen. J ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: UBVMS::V090JTCV "Ugly_Truth" 11-JUN-1990 20:34:16.11 Subj: GRUNGE My friend Chandler, of the Chandler and Bob duo at "The DOG house" came up with a great Idea. Next spring break we're gonna try to go to Seattle, well at least I am. What do you think about a GRUNGE list convention? I think it would be funny as hell. J ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: IN%"gt5116b@prism.gatech.edu" 11-JUN-1990 23:50:25.36 Subj: RE: GRUNGE Seattle here we come...! Gaby ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: IN%"nyx.UUCP!jexby%nyx.uucp@isis.cs.du.edu.cs.du.EDU" 13-JUN-1990 Subj: Well i like what i see so far on this grunge here: of the top of my head thingys: Fluid :: damn these guys have energy. I saw them twice here in the denver boulder area and they move me. Always up front away from the too-macho-slam-dorks but right up with the guys. lead singer busts confetti-filled balloons overhead allnight, wile letting us folks in front hold him over our heads....he just keeps on singing. And if you're real lucky they turn the mike on the crowd for "Cold Outside" Going to europe now for another long tour...maybe back in hometown denver by aug. Flaming Lips : Uh, no. Sorry guys. this trio is nails. Saw them 3 times and each was amazing loud, psychedelic, and fun. The last time they ditched most effects and went with the UFO story theme, once again up front they seemed like personable guys playing funky tunes. the bass player is a bit remote though... Wayne Coyne is the coolest. TAD : Loser cut off the Salt Lick ep will never get out of my head. all their other material is just as solid. Oh and saw Nirvana weeks ago, good to but the lead geetar guy broke a string every other song so it busted the continuity. oh, everyone go buy the Jesus Lizard CD "pure". awesome is a simple enough description. \\john +----- | jexby@nyx.cs.du.edu :: uunet!dunike!nyx!jexby |----- | "I woke up this morning with a headful of nightmares... | Got out of bed without any rest!" - +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: UBVMS::V090JTCV "Ugly_Truth" 6-JUL-1990 21:39:33.51 Subj: GRUNGE This was addressed to me, but I felt it was intended for the list. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IN%"bruss@UCSD.EDU" 1-JUL-1990 19:28:41.22 Subj: RE: Howdy Hello ... I recently started getting into several Sub Pop groups. I'm a metal fan by nature, so I tend to like those grunge bands that lean in that direction. Specifically, Nirvana and Tad are both great! Mudhoney is less impressive to me, and Soundgarden is good in places and not so good in others. My question is -- what other Sub Pop (or other grunge) bands are out there that you think I might like? I've heard about the Fluid but don't know anything about them. What about Skinyard? Afghan Whigs? Others? Thanks, Brian Russ CSE Department, UC San Diego ...!sdcsvax!bruss +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: UBVMS::V090JTCV "Ugly_Truth" 6-JUL-1990 21:43:10.94 Subj: GRUNGE This was addressed to me, but again I felt it should go to the list. -Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IN%"USERW11N@UMICHUM.BITNET" "Brian Jarvinen" 2-JUL-1990 09:15:00.77 Subj: Howdy Hey Jon, I'll be here all summer. The local record stores are again awash with SST records, SST may make it out of the woods yet. I picked up 'Ultramega O.K.' and another store here has three copies of 'Fopp / Screaming Life' on disc from SubPop. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: UBVMS::V090JTCV "Ugly_Truth" 6-JUL-1990 21:51:20.78 Subj: GRUNGE IN%"USERW11N@UMICHUM.BITNET", Brian Jarvinen writes: >Hey Jon, I'll be here all summer. The local record stores are again awash with >SST records, SST may make it out of the woods yet. I picked up 'Ultramega O.K.' >and another store here has three copies of 'Fopp / Screaming Life' on disc >from SubPop. I recently picked up Screaming life on Vynal, for the first time, believe it or not! I love it. More SOUNDGARDEN news to come later in this letter. I spoke with Ron at SST records and he said there is nothing wrong with SST. They are taking $ and inverting in reissues. SST stands by each album and 12" that they make, unlike other labels. After the restocking of the catalog, SST will continue to sign and release great stuff. Cruze is sorta the same label and they have consistantly put out great stuff. SOUNDGARDEN will be touring starting in August with DANZIG!!!!!! SOUNDGARDEN will be doing a Sub-pop 7" there is no scheduled date for release. Bye! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: IN%"kenyao@theory.Princeton.EDU" "Kenneth C. Yao" 7-JUL-1990 00:54:00. 89 Subj: RE: GRUNGE News for people with nothing better to do with their lives: Apparently SubPop inked a production/distribution deal with CBS contingent on Mudhoney staying with SubPop. However, word has it that Mudhoney is breaking up nixing the contract. Bruce Pavitt and the other guy (John ?) have been spotted around the NYC office of CBS. (I should know I'm there with my b binoculars 24 hours a day). Capsules: Mudhoney 7" (CuBSop): And it's a good thing that they broke up too. The exhaustion of ideas is all to evident on this three song ep (this coming from someone who even like the This Gift 7"). Everything from Mark Arm's voice to the drums to the guitar sounds tired. Even the guest vocals by Billy Childish on one track fail to liven things up. For those in love with the Sub Pop sound: check out the Public Bath releases of hitherto Japanese only material. Talking 'bout the Seikiri, Boredoms, and Japan Bashing (4 Band comp -- trendy ain't it) 7" eps. Shows why early '90s Detroit is getting hammered by the Japanese. And yes, the label is named after a Shonen Knife song and the Boredoms have an lp coming out this summer on Shimmy Disk (!). 'Zine stuff: File 13 has a new issue out. Interview with Jesus Penis and columns about Mainland China and the hypocrisy of Santa Cruz's mental institutions. Solid as usual. Conflict #51 is also out. Interview is with Mark E. of the Unrest (letdown after the Royal Trux and Frogs interviews) plus the usual rants from a Matador Records employee. Still looking for my Some Guys Have All the Luck 7", Ken +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: IN%"hsu@sp26.csrd.uiuc.edu" 8-JUL-1990 16:50:22.04 Subj: GRUNGE: concert reviews I was in Seattle and Vancouver for a couple weeks and caught some concerts that y'all might be interested in. (This is a slightly edited version for Grunge, since you guys are probably not interested in the straight jazz stuff.) Evan Parker solo at the Station Theatre, Vancouver Caught the first 40 minutes or so of this. Alternating soprano and tenor improvistions. I was really blown away by the soprano pieces (tho I'd heard earlier performances on record), all of which used Parker's trademark circular breathing techniques to weave long, twisting, sinewy streams of notes. He somehow gave the illusion of simultaneous multiple planes of activity with register and phrasing changes (rather than multiphonics). Kinda like Philip Glass on massive drugs, and none of this pretty pretty synth sounds stuff. Alex Schlippenbach Trio This is Schlippenbach on piano, Evan Parker on soprano and tenor, and Paul Lovens on percussion. I was most impressed with Lovens, who played a small trap set with cymbals and miscellaneous objects on the snare, and lots of small bells, gongs etc. He keeps up an incredible level of activity and diversity of timbres. Lots of bowing, and the saw duet with Evan Parker on soprano was beautiful. These guys really listen to each other. They're doing a little touring so don't miss them when they're in your area. The Ray Anderson 4-tet was a raucous good time and you should all go see him and buy his records. Ray plays some raucous trombone and gets pretty dirty and grungy. All grunge rock bands should have a trombone player. The Paul Plimley/Andrew Cyrille set started with Plimley tapping on the piano lid and body, and Cyrille making soft percussion noises. This developed into some wonderful high-energy piano/drum playing with short breaks when Plimley switched to mallets on the piano strings and jumping up and down and Cyrille drumming on the floor of the stage. Plimley's playing is again very versatile with some dense Cecil Taylor-esque figures, but he never degenerates into high speed monochromatic riff-a-thons. The rapport between Plimley and Cyrille is just a joy to watch. The second of two pieces has Cyrille doing the rumbling jungle drums groove thing and Plimley playing imaginatively with a rambling 4-note motif. Yow. There were many free live concerts over the weekend at the Plaza of Nations in Vancouver that I caught bits and pieces of. Glenn Spearman is a powerful post-Coltrane tenorist who was a little disappointing; I liked his sideman better, the powerful bassist Lisle Ellis, and Paul Plimley and Andrew Cyrille. Caught a little of Eugene Chadbourne's solo set (same old warped blues/country guitar) and Chadbourne/Bruce Ackley doing a vaguely eastern-flavored soprano and banjo duet. Robin Holcomb did a beautiful solo piano set. I thought she was a bit skittish in the first piece (Larks, They Crazy from the album, she doesn't sing), but settled down to give some riveting performances. She reminds me of a simpler and more melodic Marilyn Crispell. Moreen Meridien is a versatile singer who does the smoky cabaret songstress thing as well as the atonal scat thing. She's backed by a competent quartet (imagine big fans of the transitional Coltrane on sax, piano, bass, drums). They started out with a very straight bop number and a relaxed bluesy tune but when Meridien started whooping and screeching and scatting (think of a more conventional and blues-based version of the Dutch extended vocalist Greetje Bijma), people left in droves. Ended the set with a hot modal tune and crashing McCoy Tyner-isms from the pianist. Unfortunately these guys have no records. AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!! I've mentioned Jean Derome before and he's probably more familiar to the new music crowd than the trad jazz folks. Derome is from Montreal and runs the Ambiance Magnetiques label which has put out some incredible avant-rock/jazz and improv music. My favorite show of the festival was probably the Jean Derome/ Rene Lussier set on Sunday. Their albums (Le Retour des Granules is absolutely essential, moving effortless from RIO avant-rock- isms to noisy funk and post-industrial sound poetry) are very dense and diverse, and incredibly they're able to play similar material live, as a duo, and with minimal tape support (only for sound effects or maybe a short orchestral section). Derome switches between sax and keyboards and squeaky bath toys (I just die laughing whenever I see him do his "fighting rubber ducks" routine). Lussier plays guitar (lots of skewed Frith-ian rhythms, warped cartoon lines, vicious noise blasts) with his hands and percussion with his feet (amplified wood blocks, bass drum, cymbal). Both do some singing and talking. A lot of their material requires split-second timing and controling 2 or 3 different sound sources per person and they just breezed thru the set. They don't play in the US much but you lucky people in Boston and NY shouldn't miss them if they come thru town. In case you haven't figured out already, I had a great time in Vancouver, thanks to Nou for putting me up and putting up with me. Vancouver is a great town for jazz and new music (and radio and seafood) and I'll definitely be waiting for next year's jazz fest program. Bill ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: UBVMS::V090JTCV "Ugly_Truth" 10-JUL-1990 21:29:04.49 Subj: GRUNGE "The were intorduced as VINCE WIRLWIND AND THE NUDE DRAGONS, but only a select few knew that it was SOUNDGARDEN performing a quick, unannounced half hour set at the Lake City Concert Hall last week. Casually taking the stage at 8:30 (the concert was scheduled for 9). SOUNDGARDEN, who were supporting CBS recording artists, ALICE IN CHAINS, knocked out a powerhouse set that included a cover of the STONES "Stray Cat Blues" (dedicatedto the late Andrew Wood) and DEVO's "Girl You Want." Most of the crowd still didn't know who was performing until the band went into "Big Dumb Sex." Then the place went wild. Overhead during the show by a truly uninformed individual, "They're okay, but they sound too much like SOUNDGARDEN." -from, the Seattle regional metal circut section of FOUNDATIONS magazine, Volume 3, Issue 13, July 2, 1990. -Jon ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: UBVMS::V090JTCV "Ugly_Truth" 10-JUL-1990 21:32:47.67 Subj: GRUNGE HERE ARE DANZIG/SOUNDGARDEN 1990 U.S. TOUR DATES!!!!! Date City Venue $/capacity Wed-Jul-25 Portland, Or Melody Lane 800/- Fri-Jul-27 Los Angeles, Ca Canta Monica Civic 3800/11,000 Sat-Jul-28 San Francisco, Ca Warfield 2200/2500 Sun-Jul-29 Fresno, Ca Wilson Theater 1800/tba Mon-Jul-30 OFF Tue-Jul-31 Salt Lake City, Ut Paladium 1250/tba Wed-Aug-01 Denver, Co Gothic Theater 900/tba Thu-Aug-02 OFF Fri-Aug-03 Chicago, Il Riviera Theater 2500/3250 Sat-Aug-04 Millwalkie/Madison, Wi Presidents room 1000/tba Sun-Aug-05 Minneapolis, Mn First Avenue Club 1300/2000 Aug-Aug-06 OFF Tue-Aug-07 Fill/Indianapolis, In Wed-Aug-08 Cincinati, Oh Bogarts 1300/tba Thu-Aug-09 Columbus*, Oh Newport Music Hall 1200/1750 Fri-Aug-10 Detroit, Mi Royal Oak theater/Latin/Quarter 1700/3750 Sat-Aug-11 Cleveland, Oh Agora/Phantasy Theater 1700/tba Sun-Aug-12 OFF Mon-Aug-13 Toronto, On, Canada Concert Hall/Music Hall 1800/3750 Tue-Aug-14 Montreal*, Qu, Canada Fofounes 500 Wed-Aug-15 Boston, Mass Channel/Orpheum 1500(2800)/tba Thu-Aug-16 OFF Fri-Aug-17 New York City, Ny Beacon THeater/Ritz 2700/6250 Sat-Aug-18 Allentown, Pa Airport Music Hall 1000/3250 Sun-Aug-19 Philadelphia, Pa Trocadero 1500/2000 Mon-Aug-20 Trenton(T), Nj City Gardens 950/2500 Tue-Aug-21 Washington, D.C. Citedel Center 1500/2500 Wed-Aug-22 Norfolk, Va/Fill Boathouse 1400/tba Thu-Aug-23 Fri-Aug-24 Atlanta, Ga Center Stage/Roxy 1000/tba Sat-Aug-25 Atlanta, Ga Center Stage/Roxy 1000/tba Sun-Aug-26 Mon-Aug-27 Houston, Tx Cullen/Tower Theater 1556(850)/tba Tue-Aug-28 San Antonio, tx tba -/tba Wed-Aug-29 Dallas, Tx Arcadia Theater/Bronco Bowl 933(3000)/tba Thu-Aug-30 Fri-Aug-31 Pheonix, Az Celebrity Theater 1800/2500 Sat-Sep-01 San Diego, Ca Montezuma Hall/Cal Theater 1700(1000)/tba Sun-Sep-02 Orange County, Ca Crawford Hall 2200/tba -as of 6/12/90 The above is printed as listed and all info is according to Triad Artists, Inc. I hope to be filling Sun-Aug-12 with Buffalo! Wish me luck. -Jon ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: IN%"hsu@s36.csrd.uiuc.edu" 25-JUL-1990 17:56:48.74 Subj: GRUNGE: reviews Gee, I thought adding more people to a mailing list usually results in increased traffic. Anyway here are some recent records I liked that just happen to appeal to grungerock/noise/jazz people... Live at the Knitting Factory Vol. 3 has been out for awhile. I think this is the strongest of the 3 so far (tho the Shelley Hirsch cover of Foxy Lady in vol. 2 was pretty hot, imagine the most wigged out female vocalist you've ever heard on speed and doing a good vocal emulation of guitar feedback). Good spazzed prog rock from Dr. Nerve, a nice Marilyn Crispell/Andrew Cyrille duet, fun stuff from Arto Lindsay and friends. Two songs from Slan (John Zorn on sax, Elliot Sharp on guitars and Blind Idiot God drummer Ted Epstein), some vicious slashing guitar/sax interplay. Pinkie McClure and the Puritans' _The Dirty Life_ has been out for awhile but I don't remember anyone talking about it. Some fine post-Swans/Live Skull guitar noise, a sax player that doesn't suck, and nasty female vocalist. And these people write real songs with contrasting sections and rhythms that don't just chug along in 4/4 time (my major complaint against a lot of the NW grunge rock stuff, take away the dirt and grime and you're left with things that are not very different from simple pop songs; fun for awhile but I don't need to hear a lot of it). Highly recommended. On Brave Records (I think), some British import thing. I'll dig up the address if anyone needs it. Finally, you need to get _Amnesia at Arm's Length_ by Nick Rudd. (Yeah we're friends but I don't give strong recommendations unless I really like the stuff.) Lots of tasty vicious guitar textures (a little like Henry Kaiser's early noise stuff but much more concise and less self-indulgent), a few warped noisy rock songs, and you can always fast forward past the 2 or 3 short pop-like cuts. A measly $4.50 from Nick Rudd, 307 W. Springfield, Champaign IL 61820. Bill +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: IN%"TOPRITZ@macc.wisc.edu" "Bill Topritzhofer" 26-JUL-1990 12:41:52.60 Subj: GRUNGE Howdy, Has anyone seen Green River's albums available on CD (Come on Down and Rehab Doll)? Where are they and how do I get them because they don't seem to have them anywhere in the Midwest, I've looked. thanks, Bill will topritzhofer | money can't give what university of wisconsin-madison | the truth takes away topritz@vms.macc.wisc.edu | -soundgarden ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: UBVMS::V090JTCV "Ugly_Truth" 26-JUL-1990 13:13:28.08 Subj: GRUNGE Hello, all! I recently attended the New Music Seminar in New York City. It was quite the interesting experience! The Seminar took place between July 14th and July 18th, 1990. It sold out at 8,160 attending, not mentioning the bogus passes. We left for NYC on of all days, Friday the 13th!!! We had wanted to leave at about 10AM, but thanks to our Student Association president being late we didn't leav until 1PM or so. We had borrowed the Student Association's van. In the van was Bob Cudmore, my assistant music director, Chandler Lewis, a WRUB DJ and the campus editor for one of our school's newspapers, the Spectrum. Chandler also lives with Bob. Chandler was ther for the ride to Binghamton. His step mother was ill and he wanted to visit his father for support. Nothing to exciting happened in the van except our attempt to trash it by the time we got to NYC, and the fact that we got lost. In fact the highlight of trashing was pouring chocolate Milk out the small windows in the Van, it is the funniest thing to do, when doing it you laugh uncontrolably. Everyone else looks at you like you are crazy. This happened when I poured it out, and they thought I was nuts, and when Bob was pouring and we thought he was nuts. It's fun, try it. A noticable feature we added to the van was a sign that read: "WRUB TOUR VAN we want your daughters." We were trying to get to NYC in enough time to catch MURPHY'S LAW. Unfortunately we didn't get in until 10:30. We have no idea why it took so long. After getting in a wandering around White Plains, NY all night with my friends sister, my friend was a work. We crashed. Got up in the morning, my friend drove us to the subway stop closest to her house, Woodlawn station, in the Bronx. We got to the Marriot Marquee, the hotel the seminar was held at. We met alot of fun People: Amy and Will from SUNY New Paltz's radio station. Dave a promoter from Chicago and Champaign, Ill. Kelly from Big Cheif records, Odorus and Gwar woman from GWAR, and this guy from Seattle (let me tell you about him) I was at CBGB's and I started talking to him for some reason, he had on a NIRVANA tee shirt, in our conversation, he mentioned he was from Seattle. I asked him if he knew Ben Shepard, and how would he fit in SOUNDGARDEN. He said he would be good for the band, he is tall and lanky. We watched URGE OVERKILL for a while but wanted to go over to the Knitting Factory to see BONGWATER and KING MISSILE. I said goodbye to the guy from Seattle. I saw him the next day, (keep in mind the tag's were set up so you could only read the first name without squinting) his name tag said BRUCE. I quickly put 2 and 2 together and said Bruce from Seattle... Hmmm... I quickly chased after him, glanced at his name tag, and saw the words "Pavit/Sub Pop Records" below the "BRUCE". At this point I told Bruce about this list. He seemed interested. I asked him the $64,000 question. His reply was that Sub pop is working out a deal with CBS for distribution. His reasoning being that fact that they want TAD records in Chain stores in Kansas city. Missouri or Kansas, I am unsure of. (hee hee) He also told me that just to show the world they aren't selling out, they were going to release a contraversal album be a band called THE DWARVES, unfortunately the CBS deal has been taking too long, and the LP will be out sooner then the deal. (In fact I got a DWARVES single on Tuesday. It has Two nude women, and a dwarf fucking a stuffed rabbit, they are all covered in blood. I don't hav an opinion on the music yet. I will review it here!) I told Bruce I would send him a copy of the list and he seemed real into it. (So let's show off and start sending to the list again!) Bands I saw were: SING ALONG WITH TONTO, MY FREE STOOGES (with CHILI PEPPER Flea on bass), PEBBLES ON A BEACH, THE AQUANETTAS, URGE OVERKILL, BONGWATER, KING MISSLE, THE UNSANE (amaizing! Sub pop single in Sept.), PRIMUS, LIMBO MANIACS, MY LIFE WITH THE THRILL KILL CULT, THE JAYHWAKS, AND SOUL ASYLUM. Argheewqw!! More later, maybe. Jon ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: IN%"lea@Compass.COM" 30-JUL-1990 09:38:04.80 Subj: GRUNGE: Zorn I ran across a promotional CD called "The John Zorn Radio Hour". Evidently it's an hour of Zorn being DJ and playing cuts that have had an influence on him. There are also 3 or 4 Naked City cuts. Has anyone heard it? Is it worth 12 bucks? Glenn ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: IN%"jsf@cs.man.ac.uk" 30-JUL-1990 20:18:14.72 Subj: GRUNGE Hi! Jon sez (when not pouring chocolate milk over your daughters, or whatever :-)): > Bands I saw were: SING ALONG WITH TONTO, MY FREE STOOGES (with CHILI >[ ... famous names omitted ...] >SOUL ASYLUM. ;;;;;;;;;;; - Anybody know if there's a new album yet? The very wonderful "Hang Time" was 1988, I recall. - And do you know if "Clam Dip and Other Delights" was ever released on CD? It seems to be impossible to get over here. I could never get a clear explanation why - the distributors were clueless. Any info appreciated. > Argheewqw!! More later, maybe. ;;;;;;;;; - sound of a happy dwarf? - or maybe the rabbit:-) Cheers, John -- John Fitzgerald Formal Methods Group jsf@uk.ac.man.cs Comp. Sci. Dept. University of Manchester M13 9PL UK ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: IN%"hsu@s36.csrd.uiuc.edu" 31-JUL-1990 11:58:56.98 Subj: RE: GRUNGE I've heard a little of the John Zorn Radio Hour. It's a lot of fun, but the music is older and available elsewhere (I don't remember what exactly is on it). $12 seems a bit steep... Bill ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: IN%"hsu@csrd.uiuc.edu" 9-AUG-1990 13:40:53.29 Subj: RE: GRUNGE I just got the Chicago jazz fest schedule and here are the interesting acts for avant-jazz folk. It's the last weekend in August at Grant Park (by the lake). Fri.: Albert Mangelsdorff (one of the early Euro free-jazz trombonists) McCoy Tyner Big Band Sat.: 13-piece band performs Mingus' Epitaph Sun.: Muhal Richard Abrams Orchestra I'll have more info after my conference in Chicago next week. Bill ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: IN%"lea@Compass.COM" 9-AUG-1990 16:18:38.99 Subj: GRUNGE - Sun Ra recommendations Over on the funky mail list, someone asked for some Sun Ra recommendations. Maybe it'll be of interest here too... Sun Ra recommendations? Oh boy. I've been meaning to do this for awhile. For now, I'll quickly mention the ones that you might be able to find. Later, I hope to review the ones you really have to search for, since most went out of print hours after their release. Right now, though, Ra is in ascendence - there have been several new releases recently which should be available at a good record store: ***** "Hours After" was just released on Black Saint, it was recorded in '87 at the same session as "Reflections in Blue", below. Based on 2 listenings, I'd say this is one of his best. There are two blues/swing tunes, a nice Ra vocal, a 15 min. outta-space screecher (wonderful, too!), and a 15 minute "processional" (one can picture the band in their sequined fezzes as they cross the Egyptian sands). Beautifully recorded, this is a great place to start. I haven't seen an LP version of this. ***** "Love in Outer Space" is a live album from '83 on the British Leo label. Side 2 is excellent, where the band gets into a long polyrhythmic percussion break on "Fate in a Pleasant Mood". **** "Reflections in Blue", Black Saint, from the same 1987 session as "Hours After", presents a fairly conservative set. The cuts are catchy, bluesy tunes and there's a sweet off-key vocal by Mr. Ra. The band sounds happy, relaxed, and a bit out of tune. Good cover, too. **** "Blue Delight", a well-produced studio effort under the new "Modern Jazz Masters" logo on A&M records. I was somewhat disappointed by it, though it has its moments. Disappointed because the band sounds a bit tentative -- 20 people ought to make more noise than they do here. But Mr. Ree has some great piano moments, and Tenor Giant John Gilmore shines throughout. This album is the one you are most likely to be able to find, since it is his only domestic US release in years. Worth getting, but you aren't getting the whole story. There is a NEW one coming any day now on A&M which (I hear) will be a bit wilder. Hope so. ***** "Out there a Minute" is a non-annotated selection (by Ra himself, supposedly) of old (20 years old) material. Lots of short atmospheric pieces, a couple of good blowouts and a singalong (CD only). Sound quality varies from very good to fair, but one learns to put up with that to hear him. Finally, some miscellany: On "Stay Awake", the Disney music tribute on A&M, there's a great version of "Pink Elephants on Parade" by Ra. Ra's Arkestra and the Dirty Dozen Brass Band back up Phil Alvin on his solo album "Unsung Stories", now out of print but often seen in cutout bins. And, finally, DON'T miss him if he comes near your town. For me, I'm counting the days until his 4-night stay in Cambridge this month! Space IS the place! ----- Glenn +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 90 22:16:42 EDT From: lea@Compass.COM Subject: GRUNGE -- Zorn again Thanks to Ugly_Truth aka Jon Hilgreen for sending me his copy of the John Zorn Radio Hour. Here's what Zorn played (apologies for any misspellings, there were no written notes): Napalm Death - Kill, Prison witout walls, Dead part 1 Blood Ulmer - Black Rock Hazell Adkins -We got a date Escavel - (50's arranger) - "Mexican Hat Dance" in wraparound stereo Roland Kirk - from his solo album JCOA - Pharoah Sander's solo Husker Du - Bricklayer Dekroitzen - Sick People Naked City - a couple of new ones, and the group of short ones from the album Indian Karatic Jazz w/ TK Ramamorti - "Kamicongi" (Indian jazz fusion) Funkadelic - from Maggot Brain Beach Boys - from Pet Sounds Morricone - theme from "Once upon a time in the west" Zorn - The Good the bad and the ugly Zorn - White and Lazy theme Lennie Tristano - Line Up Naked City - Gob of Spit (exactly that) The between-song patter was low keyed and amusing; the manufacturer even inserted beeps appropriately. Amazingly enough, the Funkadelic-to-Beach Boys segue was smooth! _____ Glenn +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I went to New York to see Soundgarden the other day and I thought I would tell you how it was. Let's put it this way. It was the eleventh time that I have seen them, but it felt like the first. I walked in during the first song "Beyond the Wheel" and quickly went to the second row, due to reserved seating and a back stage pass. I noticed a couple empty seats and went to then after a couple songs. so basically I had front row seating in a major way. When I was in my second row position I felt as if I were in a prison and I could not move. I then just said fuck it, I'm not hear to impress the security guards. From that second row I still felt like SOUNDGARDEN sounded lame or not that good. After getting in the front row, and banging my head for most of "Loud love", I felt much more into it. At that point SOUNDGARDEN sounded better than they ever have. Louder, and liver the fuck. I felt mega special as Chris cornel shook my hand on stage in front of 3000 people. (moment of glory). 8*> After the show Chris told me that his two the guitars got demolished and he only had the one he played, which I sold to him. So if you see them on the tour, I sold chris the guitar he plays. Chris also told me that after the tour ends that they are going back to Seattle to write for their next Album. So deffinately go see them, this could be the last time before next summer! Jon -- hilgreen@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu hilgreen%sun.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm (bitnet) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 90 15:41:16 MST From: Harry Spanglet Since I just joined this list, could anybody out there tell me exactly (or approximately) what grunge rock is? Harry +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 90 10:00:12 EDT From: Brian Jarvinen Subject: records I saw a new Mudhoney 45 the other day. I'm pretty sure it's a bootleg because the store wanted $27.50 for it. It had 4 tracks from the John Peel sessions, one of which I haven't seen on any other Mudhoney releases, but I can't recall the name right now. Does anyone know if they only did 4 songs at these sessions, and even better, does anyone have a tape of this to trade? I've got some good stuff on tape. I picked up a new Girl Trouble EP. It features 6 covers of Northwest bar-band favorites from the 60s, when the Sonics and the Wailers ruled. It includes a version of "Louie, Louie". I was somewhat disappointed that half the songs were recorded live with a sax, an instrument I don't much care for. I was expecting more stuff along the lines of "Gonna Find a Cave" from the Sub-Pop 200 compilation. What do you think of Sonic Youth's new album "Goo"? I like it in that it is pleasing to listen to, but not as memorable as some of their past releases. Anyone buy the new compilation of KISS covers? Sounds like a long-overdue idea to me, now if I only had $22 for the CD. All I can remember is that there is one track by Nirvana on it, and the first song is a version of "Detroit Rock City". Can't wait. Regarding Soundgarden "selling-out" - discussing such things is usually a waste of time. Like Thurston said on 120 Minutes last night, the indie scene is just as much of a business as the major labels. The only thing worth discussing about bands is the music. "Loud Love" rocks. "Ultramega O.K." does too. A few weeks ago I tried to buy a cassette copy of "Screaming Life" / "Fopp", but Sub-Pop's quality control slipped a bit and the cass I bought was blank, so the store let me return it for credit which I used to pick up "Double Live Gonzo" by Uncle Ted. I'm still waiting to hear Soundgarden's version of "Swallow My Pride". The only drag thing about Soundgarden being on A&M hit me when their tour with Danzig played in Detroit and I blew off buying the general admission tickets until the day of the show, about an hour after it sold out. :-( +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Review: SOUNDGARDEN "Room a thousand years wide"/"HIV Baby" Sub - Pop (Courtesy A&M) This Bonus single from the Sub - Pop singles club is amaizing proof that SOUNDGARDEN has not sold out. The A-side, written by Matt Cameron and Kim Thyail is very similar to Flower in the speed and feeling you have when you listen. The B-side, written By Cornell and new bassist, Ben Sheppard(sp), is fast hard, and biting, anong the lines of "Get on the snake", or "Gun". Both Songs have a reasuring raw sound, reminisent of the Screaming life EP. The 7" is produced by SOUNDGARDEN and engineered by long time friend and roadie/soundman Stu. It is on Purple marbled vynal, and well worth it! If you see it in a store, Buy it! Jon _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 90 15:29:06 EDT From: Brian Jarvinen Subject: monomen, cynics, thee hypnotics show I caught those three bands at the Bling Pig in Ann Arbor on September 18th. The Monomen were a decent four-piece. One of the guitarists sang most of the time. OK tunes, but the vocals were just kind of generic. Overall a very low energy level. The Cynics were next. I was wishing they were the headliners. The Cynics are a four-piece with only one guitarist. This gives the lead singer a lot more freedom to go nuts, yell, scream, dance around in the crowd, and play harmonica (although the harmonica was kind of rare during their set, unfortunately). They played most of their incredible "Rock and Roll" album from earlier this year; I heard almost the entire first side I think. Only a few older tunes - they didn't bring a keyboard player with them this time. No "Roadrunner" though, but an excellent "Cry, Cry, Cry" and "Get My Way". Intense energy level. Thee Hypnotics are from England. I've seen them once before, when I liked their covers of "Kick Out the Jams" and "Third Stone from the Sun" best. This time they played a lot of stuff from their new "Come Down Heavy" lp, according to them. Something about their singer just doesn't grab me; he can't compete with the wild man who fronts the Cynics. Thee Hypnotics vocalist doesn't move around too much. The highlight came at the end when the band once again worked "Kick Out the Jams" into one of their jams. Thee Hynotics are a little tighter than the Cynics, but not as exciting. What's Nirvana up to? Is the compilation of KISS covers worth getting? _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 90 13:18:21 EDT From: Daniel Ryan Bidwa Subject: the cynics ah, yes, the cynics. i've seen them a few times (since they're from Pittsburgh). the keyboard player is no longer in the band. actually, she hasn't been in it for quite some time now, and wasn't in it when "Rock & Roll" was released. actually, i think it's a change for the better -- the band sounds less psychedelic and more garage-harsh-like now. they still do most of their old songs, too. actually, the cynics are kind of infamous around here for their incredibly long sets -- they played for well over two hours at their record release party (for "R&R"), and it was like, "um, they're really good, but I wish they'd stop..." It didn't help that the Stump Wizards opened for them (along with another band) and it was after midnight when the Cynics went on. BTW, the Stump Wizards have broken up. dan _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ I love the Cynics too! They are a great band! I have seen the a couple times here, in Buffalo. I haven't seen them lately, though. Where are the monomen from? Do they have Vynal/CD out? Jon _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 90 00:00:26 -0700 From: Rick Grubin Subject: tesing Lizard Well Jesus Lizard in Ft. Collins a while ago: damn good stuff. nasty, very nasty at times. Yow sure like to play with ihs dick when he sings. damn funny. lead guitarist held things together, bassist must have been on some good acid. he petered out halfway through the show and sat in a corner. Not as loud as one would hope for, or whatever. Chrome really got the massive crowd of 40 people going, and the rest was grooving type of messy geetars. all in all, damn worth $5. Boy america is great isn't it?!?! Waiting for Wayne Coyne & company on nov.9 .................................... email: grubin@tramp.Colorado.EDU -=====- John Exby -=====- -=- guest use on tramp -=- - - unconsciously screaming, whispering.... _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 90 21:33:11 -0700 From: Rick Grubin Subject: Lips if anyone cares: the Flaming Lips have dropped off the side of the world. they've blown off their last 4 shows, including the one here in denver and promoters, their record company, their mgmt, no one knows where the went to. could be those UFOs again.... why is this list so slow? when is the new Nirvane LP coming out? I've seen the 7" by SubPop but havent heard it. tips anyone...anyone? .................................... email: grubin@tramp.Colorado.EDU -=====- John Exby -=====- -=- guest use on tramp -=- - - _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 90 14:59:16 MDT From: Daniel Lester well, if this is inactive, i will see if the the "new kid on the block" (meaning me, not the abominable atrocities from the boston area) can get something going. My question, is what the hell is the definition of grunge rock. i have my own mental set, butnot sure if it agrees with anyone elses. so, how about some defiintions? some of you have been on here longer than 3 days, so must have SOMETHING to say about it. right? i also follow the New Music list, which has enough activity that I more or less accept and understand their definition of "new music". so what is it here???? dan lester the oldest living rocker on this list p.s. any of you active in Popular Culture Assn? I am. +========================+=====================+==========================+ | Daniel Lester | 1910 University Dr. | Bitnet: ALILESTE@IDBSU | | Library | Boise, Idaho 83725 | Internet: | | Boise State University | (208) 385-1234 | ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU | +========================+=====================+==========================+ _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 90 16:45:14 EST From: Neil W Cohen Subject: Re: THrash I don't even know if I'm sending this to the right address. Actually, WHO the fuck CARES. This list is more quiet than the night before Christmas. If you want to be on a good thrash list (i.e. bands like Metallica, Metal Church, Death ANgels, Anthrax, Nuclear Assault, Voivod, etc. , etc.) e-mail a request to join to thrash@metal.sun.com. The list is damn good and I see no reason to make GRUNGE-L a thrash list. Not that it matters, but how do you unsubscribe to GRUNGE-L (just in case the flood of mail becomes overwhelming) Ha! Ha! "I'm going home now. Fuck this!" - Me _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 90 16:30:24 EST From: Brian_Jarvinen@um.cc.umich.edu To: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu Subject: grunge and stuff Well, let's see, it's been awhile here. The best grunge thing I've heard lately is the Fluid concert on November 2nd in Ann Arbor, the first time they've made it to here. The Fluid are most impressive live. They played plenty of material off each of their three albums, but they unfortunately skipped "Our Love Will Still Be There." Two guitars, bass, drums, impressive playing. I'm now totally addicted to the new "Glue" cassette which includes their "Roadmouth" LP on it for about $9, complete with random b-sides and stuff. Quite a deal from Sub-Pop, a label often accused of only pandering to geeky record collectors like me. The two Green River LPs on Sub-Pop have also been issued in this manner, with the incredible b-side "Queen Bitch". In October I picked up the debut ep from L7, an all-female quartet on Sub-Pop. Flawless. Sounds great loud. A bit faster than the usual Sub-Pop fare (somewhat akin to the Fluid's approach), and the results are electrifying. Anyone wanna part with their Sub-Pop 7"? I also picked up the Nirvana single "Sliver / Dive" ?correct titles? Not very surprising single. Are they doing another album soon? What the hell is Mudhoney doing since "Thorn"? What happened to the CBS deal? Anyone have the Kiss covers compilation with Nirvana on it? Worth getting? Some other impressive Grunge records I've been listening to are ones on various labels like Psonik and Get-Hip which are all distributed by Skyclad in New Jersey. The record by Moon is quite good, featuring the bored/distracted vocal approach used by Dinosaur Jr. But the best one I've picked up from Skyclad is the "Self-Destruct" album by the Original Sins. Anyone know anything about these guys? Great garage jams with the occasional psychotic-reaction organ sound. A Detroit band, The Gories, have just released an LP on Wanghead Records called "House Rockin'", which includes an impressively rockin cover of John Lee Hooker's "Boogie Chillun". The Gories are a trio who play psychabilly without a bass, a la Pussy Galore. The lead vocalist has the best scream this side of the lead guy in the Cynics. Wanghead Records is the label Elvis Hitler was on before Restless picked them up. Now, if I could only get enough money together to join the Sub-Pop singles club in time to get the Nirvana / Fluid release coming out in January. Speaking of which, does anyone out there have a copy of the Flaming Lip's Sup-Pop single, "What's So Funny (About Peace Love and Understanding)" that they'd like to part with? I have some color-vinly Big Chief singles to trade, and possibly a Necros single I could live without. Big Chief have just returned from Europe; and their 3 singles to date have been collected with three unreleased songs on a German LP and CD. And finally, could the guy in Colorado who I've been discussing the Flaming Lips with get ahold of me at "jarvinen@um.cc.umich.edu" (Internet) or "userw11n@umichum" (Bitnet)? I'm going to be in Denver next week and I'm hoping the Fluid will play their home town while I am there. Hi all! _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ KILLING JOKE Extremities, dirt, And various repressed emotions Noise International/BMG 5 Crosby street New York, NY 10013 USA When I poped the new Killing Joke album into my CD player this morning, I was plesently surprised. As it seems the band has taken a change for the better. While still industrial in nature, the band has steped tward their earlier sound, alot more, how do we say? GRUNGEY?? The first track is reminisant of early Soundgarden. In fact it reminds me of the song, "Sub - Pop rock city". Other good tracks include "Age of greed", "Inteavenous", "Inside the termite mound", and the somber "Solitude". The current line up is Jaz Coleman (vocals), Geordie (guitars), Raven (Bass), Martin Atkins (drums, and vocals). THe Album was produced by J.M. Rex, Coleman, Walker, Atkins, and Raven. Engineered and mixed by J.M. Rex. And recorded at Townhouse studios and terminal 24. Their switch to Noise International is a welcome one, as long as they continue in their current vein! I highly recomend this album. Later... Jon --hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu hilgreen%acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm uunet!ub!hilgreen --"Hitler's syphilis-ridden dreams almost became true... We must protect our -- first amendment before sick dreams become law. Nobody made fun of Hitler." -- -Perry Farrell, Jane's Addiction 1990 _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 90 12:00:44 EST From: William Spencer Subject: So what do they sound like? So, what do Fluid and Nirvana actually sound like? I've heard the names a bunch of times. Of Sub-Pop type sounds I've heard Tad (sonic mud), Melvins (love 'em, ultra heavy grunge), and Soundgarden (too much like a wimped out Melvins). I prefer "Grundge" to "Grunge", it's just so much more grundgier! bill S. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 90 12:06:06 -0700 From: Rick Grubin Subject: Re: So what do they sound like? Fluid : I would say these guys are much more a suped-up rock n roll type band who play REAL energetic music, very loud, very well. music tends to me medium speed, but they have the usualy killer riffs and slow downs. absolutely sinful to see live and get up front and play around.. Nirvana: more fuzzy on the geetars here i think. alot of emphasiz on drum beats in some songs. tend to be somewhat muddy which means good. if you like Tad I'd seriously check these out. Tad is one o my favs and so are these bands. esp. the Fluid. but maybe that's cause I'm developing an intimate concert-relationship with them. ;-) ..................................... so what if he says it's helium? -=====- -=====- -=- John Exby (guest) -=- - grubin@tramp.Colorado.EDU - _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ I forgot where I got these. They are reprinted without permission, but I thought it might be okay in the interest of grunge enthusiats everywhere. I hope the author does not mind. - Jon Later... Jon --hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu hilgreen%acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm uunet!ub!hilgreen --"Hitler's syphilis-ridden dreams almost became true... We must protect our -- first amendment before sick dreams become law. Nobody made fun of Hitler." -- -Perry Farrell, Jane's Addiction 1990 -----------------------original post----------------------- Skullflower - "Xaman" - yikes. finally on CD 69min of guitar noiz and dronings. no vocals, alot of guitar poundings and semi-fast drums keeping the beat alive. this is one mean mother. A bit faster than Head of David / Godflesh but very much in the same vein. Highly recommended. Throw this in the CD player as you fall asleep and have nice nightmares like I do. Jesus Lizard - Touch & Go 7" - cuts "mouth breather / sunday you need love" whoa kiddies. heard "mouthbreather" Live in Ft. fun and this captures is. Yow's vocals are really muffles but interesting when you grab a listen of them. The "sunday..." song is typical JL. the 7" has the ultra "mouse- riding-atom-bomb" on the cover. makes a great shirt too. Big Chief - some new-UK single - havent played it yet. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ BUFFALO TOM Birdbrain (album) situ 31 Situation Two (UK)/Beggars Banquet (UK) - Beggars Banquet (US)/RCA - BMG Liscenced from Megadisk (Belgium) This newest release from the Boston based trio of Tom MaGinnis, Bill Mathewson, and Chris Colburn is not in the least bit disapointing. A switch from an American label, SST records, to a Belgiun label, Megadisk, was a wise choice. Megadisk struck a distrubution deal with Situation Two records in the UK. S2 is distributed through Beggars Banquet records in the UK. BB(UK) had a distribution deal with BB(US). BB(US) in turn has a deal with RCA to distribute their stuff domesticly (US). And the Bottom line is that BMG music is the distributer of RCA. Thus instead of Buffalo Tom having an indepentent deal with a US label, they struck a good deal with a Belgiun indy that gives them a Major label supported deal in the US. *BREATHER* Back to the album, production being handled by fellow Massuchutteser J Mascus as well as BT and Shawn Slade. Slade also played guitar on "bleeding heart" and sang back ups on "crawl." Closing out the guest list is Monte Rose who plays the last lead on "bird braid" (the song). Some of my favorite songs are "guy who is me", "enemy", "bird brain", and "directive" With a strong album to back up the amaizing sucess of the "bird brain" (12") single 1991 may be the year of the BUFFALO (TOM). You can write to BT at 18 Hartford street, Medfield, Ma. 02052. I highly recomend seeing these guys live! They are great! _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 90 19:00:51 EST From: William Spencer Subject: MELVINS --- D.C. tomorrow Anyone on this list in the D.C. area? (Anyone on this list? :-) ) Actually I'm out in Manassas, but I'm driving into DC tomorrow to see a truly great and heavy band the MELVINS. the MELVINS were one of the pioneers of the Seattle sound. They have since moved to California and refined their sound towards a heavier direction. Their most recent album OZMA is cold stone bad. Every note is smashed over your head. A certain comparison to Soundgarden is in order. Although Soundgarden has a subtle Page guitar influence that the Melvins doesn't have, in every other way the Melvins blows them away. I really can't listen to Soundgarden -- their sound invites comparison to the Melvins and it just doesn't make it. Anyway, an amazing band, you just can't get it loud enough. No peircing guitar pain is present. Instead you get a thick punch in the gut. Yet, unlike much hardcore, the sound is clean with natural sounding vocals and cymbals cutting through. Those who like Tad will enjoy their first album _Gooey Porch treatments_ I think (included on the _Ozma_ CD). But if you don't like Tad or the first Melvins album you may still get off on Ozma or the live experience. Check them out. Evidently they're touring the east coast now. 3rd tour I think. Enjoy. bill S. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 90 17:24:38 PST From: Brian Russ Subject: Re: MELVINS --- D.C. tomorrow > > Anyone on this list in the D.C. area? (Anyone on this list? :-) ) I'm here! :-) though nowhere near you (I'm in San Diego) ... > the MELVINS were one of the pioneers of the Seattle sound. > [..]. Those who like Tad will enjoy their first album > _Gooey Porch treatments_ I think (included on the _Ozma_ CD). But if you > don't like Tad or the first Melvins album you may still get off on Ozma > or the live experience. Check them out. Evidently they're touring the I know I've asked this before ... Being a long-time underground metal fan, I recently started getting into SubPop type stuff. Nirvana and Tad are brilliant, and I'm looking for other groups of that ilk. What I've heard so far (in order of likeability) Afghan Whigs Melvins Mudhoney L7 Fluid But none of these (save the occasional song) are close to Nirvana or Tad. The problem with the latter three groups is they are more "grunge-rock" than "grunge-metal" which I prefer. Any suggestions? Oh, I didn't list Soundgarden -- they're not bad, though not really grungy ... Brian _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 90 21:02:00 -0700 From: Rick Grubin Subject: Re: MELVINS --- D.C. tomorrow From: Brian Russ > Afghan Whigs > Mudhoney > Fluid yeah I'd really almost call these 'rock' bands really. albeit damn cool ones. the Fluid hate to be labeled grunge, i know that fer a fact! I would call these groups music hard chargin rock, except the last afghan whigs which is pretty lame save for one song... if your looking for grungy-metal types maybe try groups called Helmet or Sweet Tooth. Sweet Tooth is on offshoot project of the guy who does Godflesh, with a bit more metal to it maybe. i dunnaknow, it pounds my head with deep throbbing base hits and growling, so maybe it aint what ya want... Helmet is more of a straight up, loud guitar band that likes to go fast sometimes. you pick. ..................................... pass that dose of happiness babe! -=====- -=====- -=- John Exby (guest) -=- - grubin@tramp.Colorado.EDU - _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 90 10:31:20 EST From: William Spencer Subject: Re: MELVINS --- and Helmet >From John Exby (guest) [grubin@tramp.Colorado.EDU] > From: Brian Russ > Afghan Whigs > Mudhoney > Fluid >yeah I'd really almost call these 'rock' bands really. albeit >[...] >if your looking for grungy-metal types maybe try groups called >Helmet or Sweet Tooth. >[...] Helmet is more of a straight up, loud guitar band that likes to go fast sometimes. you pick. Helmet's opening for MELVINS. Interesting. That Sweet Tooth sounds worth checking out. bill S. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 90 21:04:10 EST From: Brian Jarvinen Subject: STP? Hey Now, what do any of you know about the band STP? Someone just dumped their rather impressive singles collection at a local used record store. Unfortunately, the only single still there that I don't have already (tons of Sub-Pop singles there) (well 5 or so) was one by STP. (not on Sub-Pop). They are all for sale for $4 each, a good deal on oop stuff. (That's collectorese for out-of-print). Also, still looking for the Flaming Lips' Sub-Pop effort, as well as the ones from Big Chief and L7, and the Teriyaki Asthma releases with Nirvana and L7. grunge/grunge02.txt100444 0 0 1570206 6311534664 12717 0ustar rootroot GRUNGE-L ARCHIVES Vol. 2!!!! (c) 1991 Jon J. Hilgreen The following is a compilation of articles sent to the grunge rock discussion mailing list, grunge-l@ubvm. This file has been edited for clairity and non-related subject matter. The messages written below are not quotes, do not hold the below mentioned people responsible, due to the chance of altered text. This file is subject to restrictions of The Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986, USC 2510-2511, as amended. Unlawful interception and/or redistribution of this file is a Federal crime, punishable by a maximium $10,000.00 dollar fine, and/or imprisonment for up to five years. Of course, you do have permission to redistribute it, as long as you say where you got it. Jon J. Hilgreen, list owner GRUNGE-L@UBVM --rockin@mudhoney.micro.umn.edu - /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Date: 07 Jan 91 20:31:54 EST From: Zilgia Quafay <76703.4176@CompuServe.COM> Subject: John Zorn Radio Hour Hi Jon -- Thanks for sending out the Grunge Archives; I noticed in scanning that there were several messages I'd somehow missed. I also noticed that Glenn referred to a "John Zorn Radio Hour" tape that he apparently received from you. I'd love to hear that one! Would it be possible for me to obtain a copy? I'd of course send a blank (or filled...whichever) tape and return mailer. Please let me know how I can arrange to do so. Thanks! -- Zilgia Q. <76703.4176@compuserve.com> =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 7 Jan 91 16:40:00 EDT From: My Brain Hurts Subject: John Zorn / Marc Ribot Hey there, hi there, ho there. The name is Boon. The pattern is never obvious and the brain is never plugged in... I was wondering if anyone here is a Zorn/Ribot fan. I'm looking to find more works by both past the Naked City/ Rootless Cosmopolitans setup and would like some suggestions. I do have a Zorn tape of stuff but I got that from a radio station show. Also any live stuff or other (I guess 'hardcore jazz' is the term used for this stuff) artists like the two... Au Reservoir Boon =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 8 Jan 91 11:57:48 EST From: Glenn Lea Subject: John Zorn / Marc Ribot Here's what I have by John Zorn: Ambitious Lovers, "Greed", Virgin. Twisted Brazilian pop by Arto Lindsay and Peter Scherer with help from Frisell, Vernon Reid, Zorn and others. Frisell, Bill, "Before We Were Born", Elektra, has a Zorn composition. Various artists, "Lost in the Stars", 1985 has a great Zorn piece and is also a great album of interpretations of Kurt Weill. Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet, "Voodoo", Black Saint. This is a great album of hard bop performed pretty straight by Zorn, Horvitz, Drummond, and Previte. "That's the Way I Feel Now", A&M. A Thelonious Monk tribute. Zorn has one cut featuring his duck calls. "Beat Crazy", Celluloid. "Hard Cell", Celluloid. "New Africa 2", Celluloid. These samplers of used to be available as a 3 LP set as "Trilogy". Zorn appears in some form on all of them. Zorn, John, "Big Gundown", Nonesuch. Zorn's excellent Morricone tribute. Zorn, John, "Spillane", Nonesuch. A 25-minute suite about Mickey Spillane, a 13 minute suite for Albert Collins and an ear twister by Kronos Quartet and turntables. Zorn, John, "News for Lulu", Hat Hut. Zorn, trombonist George Lewis and guitarist Bill Frisell perform Blue Note classics. Zorn, John, "Spy vs. Spy", Nonesuch. Ferocious versions of Ornette Coleman tunes with Tim Berne, Baron, Dresser and Vacher. Stand back! Zorn, John, "Naked City", Nonesuch. A must. John Zorn Radio Hour, no label. Zorn plays his favorite music for you. Marc Ribot: Faithfull, Marianne, "Blazing Away", Island. Ginsberg, Allen, "The Lion for Real", Island. Lounge Lizards, "Big Heart Live in Tokyo", Island. Lounge Lizards, "No Pain for Cakes", Island. Ribot, Marc, "Rootless Cosmopolitans", Island. Waits, Tom, "Rain Dogs", Island. Waits, Tom, "Big Time", Island. =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 11 Feb 91 16:45:00 PST From: Sam Parnes Subject: rock & roll? I am hoping to publish an assessment of electronic forums in music. I found in an atlas a Grunge Lake in Norway. What subject or subjects are the emphases of your forum? Rocks? Rock & roll? =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 08:56:37 EET From: inkari%BATGIRL.HUT.FI@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: rock & roll? > > I am hoping to publish an assessment of electronic forums in music. I found > in an atlas a Grunge Lake in Norway. What subject or subjects are the > emphases of your forum? Rocks? Rock & roll? > It is grunge rock but the grunge mailing list is a bit dead, but do you know the metal mailing list ?? Mail a query to metal@metal.ebay.sun.com if you want to know about electronic discussion forum. /* Juha Inkari inkari@batgirl.hut.fi */ =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 12:26:36 PST From: Brian Russ Subject: Re: rock & roll? Ok, it's been awhile since I posted here ... > What is grunge rock to you? Just Seattle, traditional grunge, Metal stuff, > grindcore (Napalm death, Godflesh, Etc.) I usually think of Sub Pop stuff -- from what I've heard, some can be thought of as grunge metal (Nirvana, Tad -- which I like) and others more as grunge rock (Fluid, Mudhoney -- which I don't like so much). Napalm Death is more in the "death metal" category to me. You mentioned Godflesh -- here's a band I'd like to know more about. I recently got a tape of their "Streetcleaner" album (haven't been able to find my own CD/LP copy). Very interesting -- REALLY heavy, slowish. I don't think I'd call it grunge -- I've heard it referred to as "industrial" before, of which I know very little. What else do people know about this band? Are there others that sound like them? Someone (on this list?) mentioned an offshoot group called Sweet Tooth, who I haven't been able to find. > What grunge material have you bought lately? What do you think of it? Well, after hearing Nirvana and Tad, I was anxious to find more of the same, but after several disappointments (Afghan Wigs, Fluid, L7) I haven't bought much lately. Tad's new one was just reviewed in Kerrang (very favorably) so I'll be getting that one as soon as I can ... > What is your favorite grunge band? Have to go with Nirvana. Excellent grunge metal. Tad is a close second. Another pretty good band, whose album came out before Sub Pop became popular, is Medieval. They were marketted as a straight-ahead metal band, but after listening to it recently I noticed similarities with several of today's grunge bands (the album is a few years old, on Metal Blade). Worth checking out. > What is do you think of the sub-pop singles sceene? Do you think it is > enhancing the industry, or just a trendy way of selling records? Both, probably. It *is* kind of trendy, but small bands need all the exposure they can get, and Sub Pop benefits as well. I'm not into singles myself -- again, since I'm into metal, a lot of Sub Pop stuff isn't really for me. Sub Pop in general is getting pretty big. Even in San Diego, where anything non-major-label is hard to find, there are several SP albums by groups I've never, ever heard of or about. Is every one else like me -- just hearing the more well-known groups? > Should we include Zorn stuff here? Which has been done a number of times. > Can someone review the new Album (Shimmy disk) I have it, but haven't herd > it, due to no turntable. I have no idea what Zorn is about. So if there are other grunge metal bands worth recommending, let me know. The others I've heard are: Soundgarden (not really fitting this tag anymore, but I like them), Melvins (so-so), Green River (their first EP, I believe -- one great song, the rest not so good), etc ... Brian =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 14:35:00 CST From: first and last and always Subject: nirvana cd5's, old and new just picked up the "sliver" cd5, and wow! i remembered why i'd liked the band so much in the first place. rush right out to your local store and get it, if you already haven't. :-) now the old news: anyone have a cd5 copy of nirvana's _blew_ that they'd like to get rid of? dave. =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 14:39:00 CST From: first and last and always Subject: what? really? brian russ in san diego makes a comment, when, boiled down to what i want to address, looks like this: but after several disappointments (Afghan Wigs....) you found the Whigs to be a disappointment? i thought the _up in it_ album was one of the freshest sounds out of seattle in a long time. what particularly didn't you like about it? (everyone else care to comment?) dave. "who you call retarded now?" =============================================================================== From: Hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: rock & roll? Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 16:18:25 EST > > What is grunge rock to you? Just Seattle, traditional grunge, Metal stuff, > > grindcore (Napalm death, Godflesh, Etc.) > > You mentioned Godflesh -- here's a band I'd like to know more about. > I recently got a tape of their "Streetcleaner" album (haven't been able > to find my own CD/LP copy). > "Streetcleaner" was just released domestically through Combat. As I understand, all of Earache records stuff is now domestic via combat. Regarding Godflesh: > Very interesting -- REALLY heavy, slowish. > I don't think I'd call it grunge -- I've heard it referred to as > "industrial" before, of which I know very little. > I wouldn't say Industrial. Kinda like Ministry, but not in a Industrial sort of way, but in a metal sort of way. I would call them Metal. Does anyone know of the politically correct term to call Godflesh? > > What grunge material have you bought lately? What do you think of it? > > Well, after hearing Nirvana and Tad, I was anxious to find more > of the same, but after several disappointments (Afghan Wigs, Fluid, > L7) I haven't bought much lately. Tad's new one was just reviewed > in Kerrang (very favorably) so I'll be getting that one as soon as > I can ... > I wouldn't say a disapointment, but differant than That Mudhoney/Tad/Nirvana sound. > > What is your favorite grunge band? > > Have to go with Nirvana. Excellent grunge metal. Tad is a close > second. > I would have to say my 5 favorite grunge bands are: Soundgarden Nirvana Mudhoney Tad and Laughing Heyenas. > Another pretty good band, whose album came out before Sub Pop > became popular, is Medieval. They were marketted as a straight-ahead > metal band, but after listening to it recently I noticed similarities > with several of today's grunge bands (the album is a few years old, > on Metal Blade). Worth checking out. > I'd like to hear more about them. If anyone has any info on the please come forward. I will call my source at Metal Blade and see if I can get a copy of the album. > Is every one else like me -- just hearing the more well-known groups? > Well, I have herd pretty much every album since the Afgahn wigs stuff on. > > Should we include Zorn stuff here? Which has been done a number of times. > > Can someone review the new Album (Shimmy disk) I have it, but haven't herd > it, > > due to no turntable. > > I have no idea what Zorn is about. > Zorn is John Zorn A VERY progressive Jazz Musician, so progressive, that he has been discussed on this list. He is most recently known for his work in the band Naked City. In fact The Shimmy disc album I was refering to was a Naked City Album. > The others I've heard are: Soundgarden (not really fitting > this tag anymore, but I like them), Melvins (so-so), Green River > (their first EP, I believe -- one great song, the rest not so good), > etc ... > I disagree. I understand why you would think that, looking at "Louder than Love", but their newest stuff is very much like the stuff from Sub Pop 200, and Fopp. The stuff I am refering to is, "Room a thousand years wide" b/w "H.I.V. Baby". "Baby" is co-written by new basist, Ben Sheppard, and Cornell. "Room" is co-written by Thyail and Cameron. If you see this and like old Soundgarden, I recomend you pick it up at any price. Jon --hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm uunet!ub!hilgreen --"Do I have to tell you that I love you? Do I have to tell you I'm your slave? -- We'll dance all night together, 'til we're dancing on your grave. On the -- boulevard of broken dreams!" -Hanoi Rocks, Boulevard of Broken Dreams =============================================================================== From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (jon hilgreen) Subject: Re: what? really? Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 16:27:19 EST > brian russ in san diego makes a comment, when, boiled down to what > i want to address, looks like this: > but after several disappointments (Afghan Wigs....) > > you found the Whigs to be a disappointment? i thought the _up in it_ > album was one of the freshest sounds out of seattle in a long time. > what particularly didn't you like about it? > I think he was more or less refering to a personal disapointment, kinda like the way alot of people dis Soundgardens A&M release. Just guessing, Jon --hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm uunet!ub!hilgreen --"Do I have to tell you that I love you? Do I have to tell you I'm your slave? -- We'll dance all night together, 'til we're dancing on your grave. On the -- boulevard of broken dreams!" -Hanoi Rocks, Boulevard of Broken Dreams =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 12:48:44 PST From: Brian Russ Subject: Re: what? really? > brian russ in san diego makes a comment, when, boiled down to what > i want to address, looks like this: > but after several disappointments (Afghan Wigs....) > > you found the Whigs to be a disappointment? i thought the _up in it_ > album was one of the freshest sounds out of seattle in a long time. > what particularly didn't you like about it? Well, remember that I'm more a metal fan than a rock fan -- after hearing Nirvana and asking for more recommendations, someone implied that the Whigs were similar and therefore I should like them too. Actually I don't think the album is bad, just not what I had hoped for, and not really my cup of tea. > "who you call retarded now?" This *was* the best song on the album -- in fact, that's the other reason I bought it (heard that one song in a store). Brian =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 15:47:00 EST From: _\2Mike? \2Cluff? Subject: GRUNGE: Unrest Sub-Pop Well, I'd like to add something to the meaning of "grunge," but I don't have much insight to what seems to be an "I know it if I see it" thang. That said, has the new Sub-Pop single of Unrest's come out yet? Unrest are friends of mine, and I'm not on the list, so I have a vested interest in knowing what's up. If it's out, are there any opinions amongst you grungies about them? Have you heard of them before? Michael Dohang Birdcell =============================================================================== From: Patrick Warra Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 12:58:00 PST Subject: Re: rock & roll? Ok, I'll bite... To be perfectly honest, I joined this list to hear about styles of music which I'm not that familiar with. Believe it or not, I have never heard any sub-pop band. From the descriptions here I think I'd like to get the new Tad release. To me grunge rock are things like Head of David, Godflesh, early Swans, etc. I would typically use the word 'grunge' to describe these. What have I got recently that grunge?--nothing, I'm afraid. Like I said, maybe Tad will be next. ~Pat =============================================================================== From: Adam Conn Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 15:57:00 EST Subject: Re: rock & roll? Let me start by saying that i am a DJ at Freeform 91.5 fm WMFO --Medford MA I love most stuff that Shimmy Disc has put out. My fav album is Ernest Noyes Brookings Vol 1...Check out everything....Can't wait for the next two volumes... Now for the boston scene...what bands would people consider grunge... Laughing Academy? Dogzilla? Think Tree? Just want to know just around whaty'all consider grunge... How 'bout "Grunge Folk" as a category: Grunge rock done in the folk tradition... I can think of two entries for this category: Instant Folk Death and Chris Chandler... Adam Conn =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 13:39:38 PST From: Brian Russ Subject: Re: rock & roll? > Regarding Godflesh: > > Very interesting -- REALLY heavy, slowish. > > I don't think I'd call it grunge -- I've heard it referred to as > > "industrial" before, of which I know very little. > > > > I wouldn't say Industrial. Kinda like Ministry, but not in a Industrial > sort of way, but in a metal sort of way. I would call them Metal. Does > anyone know of the politically correct term to call Godflesh? Well! Ministry is another band I'd like to know more about. They too were recommended to me (along with Lard, which I have now). Just what do Ministry sound like? Just what is "industrial" anyway? The only time I heard industrial and metal in the same sentence was in reference to a French metal band called Treponem Pal -- I have that album, and from that I have a very vague notion of what industrial might be. Speaking of Lard -- I expected them to be industrial-ish, but there are not (nr are they grunge). > and Laughing Heyenas. Who? A Sub Pop band? Tell me more! > > Another pretty good band, whose album came out before Sub Pop > > became popular, is Medieval. [...] > > I'd like to hear more about them. If anyone has any info on the please > come forward. I will call my source at Metal Blade and see if I can get > a copy of the album. They have both an EP (self-titled) and an LP ("Medieval Kills!) out. I'll try to remember to look up the catalog #'s at home, if that's any help. The band is/was a trio from (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan) (pick one -- can't remember myself) ... Brian =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 17:47:00 EST From: Did I mention I'm in a good mood Subject: Re: rock & roll? > This reminds me. Has anyone herd the 'Freewheeling Mark Arm' single? > It is a takeoff of the Dylan 'Freewheeling Bob Dylan' Album. Mark > does a cover of a Dylan song. The cover is simular except Mark and > his female friend are on the cover wearing gas masks. Considering the > fact that the single came out before our lovely war, How timely we > are, Mark. Mark knew what was coming...I have seen the single, but haven't played it yet -- however I was planning to play it on my show this Wednesday (8-10:30 am) on WMFO 91.5 fm (Boston). I'm kind of doing a grunge folk special because my guest is Chris Chandler. Here's the list of Grunge Folk Artists: Instant Folk Death (Boston) Chris Chandler (CD coming out soon!) Mark Arm Who else is there??? AC =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 18:49:48 CST From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu From: Brian Jarvinen >Yes, the Laughing Hyenas are from here. The vocals are simply screamed into >the mic. One of the things I like about Sub-Pop bands is that they usually >have nice, intelligble vocalists... If the vocalist >can't sing that doesn't mean they should do it anyway. Ummm, isn't screaming the vocal equivalent of grungy guitar noise? How about this: if the guitarist can't play real notes that doesn't he should play anyway. What's the definition of grunge anyway? Torture Garden has a lot of loud noisy guitar with screaming (nope, can't hear the lyrics). It's annoying as hell and too much fun. Don't know if it's grunge tho. Bill =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 09:27:05 EDT From: SYSPMZT%GECRDVM1.CRD.GE.COM@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: rock & roll? With all this grunge pouring out, can anyone give me more information on either of the following labels? Noiseville: Seriously noisy stuff, with a new comp including Surgery just released. But they also cover deranged rock like ST37 and Pocket Fishermen, and pop like Sound of My Own Voice? What's the deal? Estrus: They seem to go for noisy rock near grunge, but everything I've heard seems to pale compared to Subpop and the like. Their Mummies single, which is part of a singles club they're starting (how unique) was just a one off silly thing in my mind. I think this is also the label with Mono Men, who are kind of stiff to my ears. Anything anyone can add? Phil Z =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 20 Feb 91 11:31:32 EST From: Brian Jarvinen Subject: what else Someone made the excellent point that lack of natural ability doesn't stop some of the best grunge guitarists, and that it shouldn't stop vocalists either. While I still don't much care for unintelligble screamed vocals, I occasionally overlook them and groove on the guitar action going on underneath said vocals. At least the screamers are better than the often tuneless, flat, and just plain boring singers fronting numerous indie pop bands. =============================================================================== From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (jon hilgreen) Subject: Re: what else Date: Wed, 20 Feb 91 13:54:18 EST My main Ann Harbor Homey Brian J. exclaims: > Someone made the excellent point that lack of natural ability doesn't stop > some of the best grunge guitarists, and that it shouldn't stop vocalists > either. While I still don't much care for unintelligble screamed vocals, > I occasionally overlook them and groove on the guitar action going on > underneath said vocals. At least the screamers are better than the often > tuneless, flat, and just plain boring singers fronting numerous > indie pop bands. > I can totally agree with your on that, Brian that is probably whay you are "My main Ann Harbor Homey Brian J." Should we distinguish the differance between the sub-pop grunge and the touch and go-ish stuff? What do you think? Jon, List dude --hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm uunet!ub!hilgreen --"Do I have to tell you that I love you? Do I have to tell you I'm your slave? -- We'll dance all night together, 'til we're dancing on your grave. On the -- boulevard of broken dreams!" -Hanoi Rocks, Boulevard of Broken Dreams =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 17:47:00 EST From: Did I mention I'm in a good mood Subject: Re: rock & roll? > This reminds me. Has anyone herd the 'Freewheeling Mark Arm' single? > It is a takeoff of the Dylan 'Freewheeling Bob Dylan' Album. Mark > does a cover of a Dylan song. The cover is simular except Mark and > his female friend are on the cover wearing gas masks. Considering the > fact that the single came out before our lovely war, How timely we > are, Mark. Mark knew what was coming...I have seen the single, but haven't played it yet -- however I was planning to play it on my show this Wednesday (8-10:30 am) on WMFO 91.5 fm (Boston). I'm kind of doing a grunge folk special because my guest is Chris Chandler. Here's the list of Grunge Folk Artists: Instant Folk Death (Boston) Chris Chandler (CD coming out soon!) Mark Arm Who else is there??? AC =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 18:49:48 CST From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu From: Brian Jarvinen >Yes, the Laughing Hyenas are from here. The vocals are simply screamed into >the mic. One of the things I like about Sub-Pop bands is that they usually >have nice, intelligble vocalists... If the vocalist >can't sing that doesn't mean they should do it anyway. Ummm, isn't screaming the vocal equivalent of grungy guitar noise? How about this: if the guitarist can't play real notes that doesn't he should play anyway. What's the definition of grunge anyway? Torture Garden has a lot of loud noisy guitar with screaming (nope, can't hear the lyrics). It's annoying as hell and too much fun. Don't know if it's grunge tho. Bill =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 09:27:05 EDT From: SYSPMZT%GECRDVM1.CRD.GE.COM@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: rock & roll? With all this grunge pouring out, can anyone give me more information on either of the following labels? Noiseville: Seriously noisy stuff, with a new comp including Surgery just released. But they also cover deranged rock like ST37 and Pocket Fishermen, and pop like Sound of My Own Voice? What's the deal? Estrus: They seem to go for noisy rock near grunge, but everything I've heard seems to pale compared to Subpop and the like. Their Mummies single, which is part of a singles club they're starting (how unique) was just a one off silly thing in my mind. I think this is also the label with Mono Men, who are kind of stiff to my ears. Anything anyone can add? Phil Z =============================================================================== From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (jon hilgreen) Subject: How about the grunge awards? Date: Wed, 20 Feb 91 15:10:16 EST I have a warped idea that I would like to share with you. How about the first annual grunge awards? We can call them the grungies, everyone can vote, and we don't have to be pissed off because Metallica is nominated for best hard rock grammy again. What do you think of the idea? What catagories should we have? Who would like to sit on a nominations committy? (seven people) When should we have a vote? Jon --hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm uunet!ub!hilgreen --"Do I have to tell you that I love you? Do I have to tell you I'm your slave? -- We'll dance all night together, 'til we're dancing on your grave. On the -- boulevard of broken dreams!" -Hanoi Rocks, Boulevard of Broken Dreams =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 20 Feb 91 14:41:00 CST From: ACMDTP%UNOMA1.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: grunge awards!! sounds great! i nominate kurdt kobain for best male vocalist and nirvana for best group. and "sliver" for best single. anyone else?? dave. =============================================================================== From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (jon hilgreen) Subject: Take initive! Date: Wed, 20 Feb 91 15:00:03 EST Hi all! Please don't take this message in a personal way, but I am still trying to encourage all list readers to get involved in the discussion. We have come up out of the whole that we, especially I dug us into. Some list readers are actively discussing a number of topics, but this list could be that much better if we had the active participation of allthe readers. I would like to quote a list reader of the prince mailing list (prince@icpsr.umich.edu), Brian M. (maillbr@mist.CS.ORST.EDU): =)I wish more of U would give some of your input! Don't =)just sit our there and READ! This is your list, too. Speak out! You'd =)be surprised what people will respond to and comment on! All it takes is =)one decent message to get mail flying!! Deep stuff about Prince is GREAT, =)but who knows that sort of stuff? I sure don't, and that's some of the =)stuff I'd really like to hear! But how often do U come accross it? :-) =) Brian hitsd home with this comment, it dosen't have to be a revelation to be considered of interest. Most likely, I will hear alot of news first due to my ties to the record industry and friendships with bands. I want to see people asking questions, whether it is what is you fav bassist, or is Tad gay. Just post. I also don't want to see the quality go down hill, but I'd rather see someone ask a genuine question than go on wondering. If you have any question, comments or suggestions that you would like to address privately, feel free to mail me at my personal account. I would mostly like to keep other discussions public just to keep the discussions flowing. Jon --hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm uunet!ub!hilgreen --"Do I have to tell you that I love you? Do I have to tell you I'm your slave? -- We'll dance all night together, 'til we're dancing on your grave. On the -- boulevard of broken dreams!" -Hanoi Rocks, Boulevard of Broken Dreams =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 20 Feb 91 15:03:00 CST From: ACMDTP%UNOMA1.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: tad and beat happening the college paper i was once editor of has done some good grunge reporting, and a pal of mine is doing an interview with the big guy for a mid-March issue. pending all the shitty approval, i'll mail it out to individuals, or, if jon doesn't mind, to the list. any takers? (ps -- tad and beat happening are coming through here [being omaha, neb] in late march. anyone seen this tour yet?) dave. =============================================================================== From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (jon hilgreen) Subject: Re: grunge awards!! Date: Wed, 20 Feb 91 16:31:02 EST > sounds great! > i nominate kurdt kobain for best male vocalist and nirvana for best group. > and "sliver" for best single. > anyone else?? > Wait wait wait! Hold the nominations! If we are going to do this we need to do two things first. Establish a nominations committy and establish what catagories we wish to give awards to. If you want to be on the nominations commity, send me private mail. If you have a catagory, send it to the list for discussion. Jon --hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm uunet!ub!hilgreen --"Do I have to tell you that I love you? Do I have to tell you I'm your slave? -- We'll dance all night together, 'til we're dancing on your grave. On the -- boulevard of broken dreams!" -Hanoi Rocks, Boulevard of Broken Dreams =============================================================================== From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (jon hilgreen) Subject: Re: tad and beat happening > a pal of mine is doing an interview with the big guy for a mid-March issue. > pending all the shitty approval, i'll mail it out to individuals, or, if jon > doesn't mind, to the list. > Please do! I know Kurt Tad's bass player. They are pretty cool. > (ps -- tad and beat happening are coming through here [being omaha, neb] in > late march. anyone seen this tour yet?) > Beat Happening is playing here in March 17th with Shadowy men on a Shadowy Planet, the are the house band for "The Kids on the Hall TV show (HBO CTV) They are doing a number of North East dates together. See them if you can. jon --hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm uunet!ub!hilgreen --"Do I have to tell you that I love you? Do I have to tell you I'm your slave? -- We'll dance all night together, 'til we're dancing on your grave. On the -- boulevard of broken dreams!" -Hanoi Rocks, Boulevard of Broken Dreams =============================================================================== Date: Sat, 23 Feb 91 02:16:36 +0100 From: Erik Odberg Subject: Re: rock & roll? I am hoping to publish an assessment of electronic forums in music. I found in an atlas a Grunge Lake in Norway. What subject or subjects are the Even if I'm from Norway, I didn't know that!! So I had to check my atlas, and there IS a small lake called Grunge Lake (Grungevatnet in Norwegian). In fact, in the same area is Grunge Valley, Grunge Bridge, and as well there is a place called The Grunge. However, I should warn everyone contemplating making a pilgrimage to Norway: These are probably not very interesting places for the average readers of this list, apart from perhaps grabbing a road sign :-) In fact, I still haven't met ANYONE having heard of grunge rock in Norway, before I mentioned it (Do I have the wrong friends?) erik Date: Sat, 23 Feb 91 02:00:00 +0100 From: Erik Odberg Subject: Re: rock & roll? OK, at last I have the time to process all the mail which is sent to me. Jon asked a few questions a week ago, and these are my opinions, as from the other side of the world. In fact, I HAVE been in Seattle, for 2 days, and that was ONLY because of the grunge rock. Nothing much really happened on the musical scene at these two days, but I did visit Offramp and saw Agony Column and a couple of other bands I can't remember the name of (this was late October last year). What is grunge rock to you? Just Seattle, traditional grunge, Metal stuff, grindcore (Napalm death, Godflesh, Etc.) When I first heard the term grunge (which I can't even find in my dictionary at all ..), I got the impression that it was a kind of a common term of the music from Seattle. Defining musical categories is very difficult (just regard the many discussions at rec.music.misc, in particular when trying to define the term 'alternative'. It usually ends up in a flame war). So, to me, all "typical" Seattle music, including everything that "sounds like" this, is grungy. To me, this makes Thee hypnotics"kinda grungy, and King's X kinda grungy as well. Napalm Death and Godflesh is to me NOT grungy. Metal is definitely not. But I would appreciate an American telling me what is the original intepretation of the word 'grunge'. What grunge material have you bought lately? What do you think of it? Soundgarden, TAD, Nirvana, Alice In chains, Mudhoney, SubPop Compilation. GREAT!! What is your favorite grunge band? No doubt: Alice in Chains!!! I read about them (in the Rocket) when I visited Seattle, and it seemed the be the REALLY big name in Seattle at the time being. When I, a week later, visited NY, I got the chance to see them live@Limelight (together with King's X). It was a BLAST!! I bought _Facelift_, which is my suggestion for 1990 Album of the year. However, I never see anything written about them. How come?? Is there anyone out there who know anything more about them? Are there any more records published? (Norway is not the best place for buying reords, so my information is quite limited). Another issue: Am I completely mad if I happen to like _Louder than love_?? It seems to me most people just can stand this one. OK, they're one a major label, but so what? (OK, in principle I recent the thought of buying non-indie music, but there are exceptions to this (AiC are on Columbia). _Ultramega_ might be better, but I still feel _Louder_ is a very good album. Most of the stuff they played at the Roskilde festival in Denmark last summer was from _Louder_. erik Erik Odberg | For more info, Division of Computer Systems and Telematics| finger me at: Norwegian Institute of Technology | eriko@sprakke.idt.unit.no Email: eriko@idt.unit.no | =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 3 Mar 91 21:46:07 -0700 From: Rick Grubin Subject: dino jr. well I should throw something into here and ponder the results: New Dinosaur Jr, TAD, Jesus lizard releases are all real mean and nasty and should appeal to all in this group o mailfolk. I cant say enough about the above mentioned, except that TAD really seems like lumberjack music, call me crazy. chainsaw geetars, NW local and TAD looks good in plaid. hm. Out of the last 'flurry' o messages i have notices one thing. a tendency to really try and 'define/label' what is grunge what is not. godflesh/head of david/didjits/tad....blah blah....are these really grunge bands.... Really i have never liked the 'grunge' label as I dont think it is such a clear cut type of music. it's like middle-o-the-road between 'alternative' and 'metal' , and whatever those mean. so maybe less time/worry/effort should be put into "is it grunge or not" and simply try to explain the bands music, beats, riffs in a more describitive manner as labels tend to be an overgeneralization. (whew) ..................................... -=====- -=====- -=- John Exby (guest) -=- - grubin@tramp.Colorado.EDU - =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 3 Mar 91 21:46:07 -0700 From: Rick Grubin Subject: dino jr. well I should throw something into here and ponder the results: New Dinosaur Jr, TAD, Jesus lizard releases are all real mean and nasty and should appeal to all in this group o mailfolk. I cant say enough about the above mentioned, except that TAD really seems like lumberjack music, call me crazy. chainsaw geetars, NW local and TAD looks good in plaid. hm. Out of the last 'flurry' o messages i have notices one thing. a tendency to really try and 'define/label' what is grunge what is not. godflesh/head of david/didjits/tad....blah blah....are these really grunge bands.... Really i have never liked the 'grunge' label as I dont think it is such a clear cut type of music. it's like middle-o-the-road between 'alternative' and 'metal' , and whatever those mean. so maybe less time/worry/effort should be put into "is it grunge or not" and simply try to explain the bands music, beats, riffs in a more describitive manner as labels tend to be an overgeneralization. (whew) ..................................... -=====- -=====- -=- John Exby (guest) -=- - grubin@tramp.Colorado.EDU - =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Mar 91 08:13:25 EST Sender: Grunge Rock Discussion List From: Woogie Subject: Re: Quick questions Rob says... >Anyone see Dinosaur Jr. on eMpTyV 120 minutes last night? I don't own a TV >so I didn't have a chance to check it out. People have been talking about the >new album but I'm interested to hear what the hell happened to the band. I >don't think Lou or Murph are around any more. I know Don Flemming (previously >of B.A.L.L.) played drums on "The Wagon" but that's all. I just hope >J Mascis' head has not gone the same route as Sting's and Stipe's. You're right. Lou & Murph are no longer in the band. Lou's been gone for awhile. Lou & some guy named Eric are now Sebedoh (SP?). I don't know how active they are now; the last album I saw was actually recorded in the mid 80's. They have 2 out, both on Homestead. Murph plays drums on a few tracks of the new album, but quit somewhere in the middle. The band never got along too well apparently. A friend of mine worked in a restaurant here and after their show a few years ago, each band member came in alone over the course of the night. Right before Lou left, I saw something in Spin about how the band was getting 3 hotel rooms on the road 'to promote band unity.' As far as J's head going the way of Sting & Stipe's, I've always heard that he was pretty maniacal about having the band play everything exactly like he wanted. Mike =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Mar 91 11:10:42 -0500 From: Aaron Oppenheimer Subject: the dino jr. story > ...People have been talking about the > new album but I'm interested to hear what the hell happened to the band. I > don't think Lou or Murph are around any more. I know Don Flemming (previously > of B.A.L.L.) played drums on "The Wagon" but that's all.... OK. The band was J Mascis, Lou Barlow, and Murph. Lou (bass) quit the band almost 2 years ago, and formed his own band, Sebadoh (which he claims is Cherokee for 'shit') - they have a couple of records out and they play around Boston occasionally, and maybe other places too. A lot of it sounds like the wierd songs on the Dinosaur albums, like 'poledo' from ylaom. They did a nice cover of "free falling" when I saw them. Then, the band got a new bassist (Kim something?) and toured around for a while. Then, Don Fleming and another guy ex- of BALL joined and they recorded 'the Wagon' and another song (BTW, Don Fleming plays guitar). Then, the bass player left, the BALL guys quit, and J decided to do the next album himself, but with Murph's help (though J was a drummer before Dinosaur anyway). > ...I just hope > J Mascis' head has not gone the same route as Sting's and Stipe's. Me too. -A PS. The first album (Dinosaur) *is* on Homestead, and has some great songs, like "Does it Float", "The Leper", "Quest" =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Mar 91 23:30:40 EST From: Hangnail Whipperwill Subject: Quick questions I saw Dinosaur Jr. on 120 Minutes...it was Murph and the J guy. Seems they are the only two members left, and there was a fax number flashed on the screen advertising for a new bassist...they said they plan to go on tour as soon as they get a new bassist. They also didn't seem too thrilled to be on MTV...don't blame 'em. Brian -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Brian Eck | "Cock-rock metal's like a bad laxative | |eck@eniac.seas.upenn.edu | It just don't move me, ya know?" -DKs | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 13 Mar 91 18:40:39 -0500 From: Eric Rickin Subject: Re: Quick questions Are you SURE? I saw Murph and someother guy on MTV (120 minutes) for Dinosaur Jr. Now only if they co would make statments longer than 1 second. -- Go Pittsburgh Penguins! Go Detroit Red Wings! (Lose Rangers, Lose!) Call the Wine Cellar at 216-382-2558. Federov for Rookie of the Year. The Pens traded my favorite player, Zarley Zalapski, and Cullen for Francis and Samuelson. Have fun, Z-man, in Hartford. (Hartford has AWESOME goal music.) =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 14 Mar 91 08:55:08 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Re: Dino Jr. newsage Aaron Oppenheimer saith: >Re: Dinosaur Jr. >Lou (bass) quit the band almost 2 years ago, and formed his own band, Sebadoh >(which he claims is Cherokee for 'shit') - they have a couple of records Do you know if he played on "Just Like Heaven"? I recall that he got credit on that album and I have (somewhere, haha) an interview they did for Spin about two years ago. >Then, the band got a new bassist (Kim something?) and toured around for >a while. Then, Don Fleming and another guy ex- of BALL joined and they >recorded 'the Wagon' and another song (BTW, Don Fleming plays guitar). Well, I know Kim Gordon (ala Sonic Youth) managed Dino Jr. from right around the time of YLAOM and was just replaced when they signed to Blanc Y Negro/Sire. Did she tour with them? Last time I saw them (Montreal, not quite two years ago) Lou was still with them. Murph was the drummer. The drummer from B.A.L.L. supposedly joined that tour later for the "big two drum sound". >PS. The first album (Dinosaur) *is* on Homestead, and has some great >songs, like "Does it Float", "The Leper", "Quest" Absolutely true, and this is still available from Homestead, as is the "Repulsion" single which is very underproduced and just, well, wonderful. Brian Eck mentions: > I saw Dinosaur Jr. on 120 Minutes...it was Murph and the J guy. >Seems they are the only two members left, and there was a fax number >flashed on the screen advertising for a new bassist...they said they >plan to go on tour as soon as they get a new bassist. They also didn't >seem too thrilled to be on MTV...don't blame 'em. Of course, no one *made* them make that appearance. They said in the Spin interview that they would never think of making a video and were not even interested in signing to a "big label". Things have changed, methinks. Did anyone send in a fax (I hope)? People have been making LP suggestions so let me add my two cents: don't bother with the "Dinosaur Jr." EP on SST, it's just a couple cuts from "You're Living All Over Me" and a Peter Frampton cover which is one of the worst covers ever pressed on vinyl. Mega-yuck. Let me mention that I'm forwarding this stuff to the grunge list in Buffalo if no one minds too much. -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 15:17:30 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Re: Dino Jr, Sonic Youth, Husker Du (longish) Gordon Lee sez: >Also bought "Green Mind" by Dinosaur Jr, compared to other >material its an easy listen, (as opposed to something like >"Don't" off of "Bug"). I recommend it. Ack! I've been listening to Dino Jr. since "YLAOM" days. "Bug" was great. I also have the British CD single with "The Wagon" and others, and *it's* fantastic. But I got "Green Mind" last week and it's a pretty limp album, I think. Low on grungy guitar sound, and big on Mascis' yodeling attempts to be Neil Young. If you're looking for a mellow acoustic Dino Jr. then I'd say go for it, but I personally give this the "Lousiest Album of the Year" and "Biggest Letdown of All-Time" awards (sorry, but as you can imagine, I'm none too happy with it.) Nothing personal but methinks eets a beeg stinker! >I'm a big Husker Du fan, and I'm looking for their 2nd (?) >album called "Everything Falls Apart". I know someone who >has it on vinyl, I'd be interested in getting it on CD but >would settle for vinyl. I can't find either ! Any leads? The only stuff I know of is the SST and WB releases. I've never heard of this one until now. I'd be happy to hear more details. Where does it fit in with "Land Speed Record" and "Metal Circus"? What label was it originally on? (I didn't start with Husker Du until their last album, sigh). Any leads would be appreciated here also. > curious to see if you know of any I don't. One thing I > recently saw on vinyl (but I prefer CD) is a 12" of > SY doing Mudhoney's "Touch me I'm Sick" with Mudhoney > doing "...." shit, it escapes me right now, but it > was something off Bad Moon Rising. Probably should > have bought it then, I hadn't seen it before and with > my luck I probably won't again. Actually, you should have scarfed it up. The original 7" SubPop pressing with Sonic Youth covering Mudhoney's "Touch Me I'm Sick" and Mudhoney covering Sonic Youth's "Halloween" (not on "Bad Moon Rising" but a 12" that came out right afterward) was a limited addition of 3000. I have seen this sell quickly at $100 and have seen up to $300 asked for. Spin magazine claims that they've gone for $500. The 12" is something along 5000 or 10000 copies and can run between $25-$50 to those willing to pay collector's prices. If you're waiting for CD, you'll be waiting a long time. The 7" was pressed about three years ago and the 12" about two. Plans for CD don't exist as far as I know, then again, I don't know much. Rob (A much bigger Sonic Youth weenie than most) -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET "COOL DRIVING TECHNIQUE #23: Drive without brake lights. (Light deactivation method is unimportant; just try to appear oblivious.)" -- Baird McIntosh =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 14:23:36 -0500 From: Gordon Lee Subject: Squirrel Bait Hi, I just subscribed recently but have only seen two postings in the last 5 days. Just bought a CD of Squirrel Bait's "Skag Heaven" and eponymous. Good stuff, That's all they put out I believe ? Also bought "Green Mind" by Dinosaur Jr, compared to other material its an easy listen, (as opposed to something like "Don't" off of "Bug"). I recommend it. I'm a big Husker Du fan, and I'm looking for their 2nd (?) album called "Everything Falls Apart". I know someone who has it on vinyl, I'd be interested in getting it on CD but would settle for vinyl. I can't find either ! Any leads? - GL PS. Rob, would you forward me a copy of your discography ? I have a fair amount of Sonic Youth material, and I'm curious to see if you know of any I don't. One thing I recently saw on vinyl (but I prefer CD) is a 12" of SY doing Mudhoney's "Touch me I'm Sick" with Mudhoney doing "...." shit, it escapes me right now, but it was something off Bad Moon Rising. Probably should have bought it then, I hadn't seen it before and with my luck I probably won't again. =============================================================================== From: Jeff they also have a self titled lp out that i the best thing to ever come out of louisville(where i am) you will want to have it if you liked their 2nd lp jeff =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 16:01:46 EST From: Jeff Tucker Subject: gordon you will want to pick up squirrel baits first record if you liked the 2nd it is much better. they were pretty popular around here(louisville), where they are from, but after their second album , a minor flop, they called it quits. i almost saw them in their prime but peter their singer ran over his foot with a lawnmower. if you were interested in why they broke up check out "big wheel" peters new band or "love jones" the drummers new band (they are a lounge-schamltz-cheese-retro70soutfit) wierd jeff =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 26 Mar 91 00:13:54 CST From: Roger Selby Subject: Husker Du Hey. Can anyone tell me where or how I could find a copy of Husker Du's cover of "8 miles High" (by the byrds originally)(or is it 9 miles?)? It doesn't matter what format (CD, cassette, 8-track, vinyl, whatever), but I must get a copy. Any clues would be very welcome including what label may or may not be distributing it. Thanks. =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 26 Mar 91 08:15:17 -0500 From: Gordon Lee Subject: Re: gordon From: Jeff Tucker you will want to pick up squirrel baits first record if you liked the 2nd it is much better. Actually, the CD contains both albums, "Skag Heaven + 8 bonus tracks" 18 tracks total. they were pretty popular around here(louisville), KY ? singer ran over his foot with a lawnmower. ouch! if you were interested in why they broke up check out "big wheel" peters new band or "love jones" the drummers new band (they are a lounge-schamltz-cheese-retro70soutfit) I was told by the sales clerk to check out a newly formed band called "Slint" which includes ex-members of SQ-B. I hadn't heard of them. - GL =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 26 Mar 91 10:48:06 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Re: Husker Du Gordon shouts into the void: >> Hey. Can anyone tell me where or how I could find a copy of Husker Du's >> cover of "8 miles High" (by the byrds originally)(or is it 9 miles?)? It >It's SST 025, a 3" CD single that also contains the "Makes no sense at all" >single tracks on it also. Four tracks total, I saw it at Newbury Comics, I believe that both the "Makes No Sense At All" and "Eight Miles High" singles are still produced by SST and can be had via mail order. If you're still into 7" vinyl (I am), that is. I just got the MNSAA 7" a couple of months ago. >Re: Mudhoney/SonicYouth single "Halloween" / "Touch Me I'm Sick" >I went back to Newbury Comics last night and it was still there, >so I bought it. It was $9, which is more than I think I have ever >spent on 2 tracks, (I'm real cheap), but I got so much mail saying >it was a collector's item that I decided to go for it. Note that the *real* collectors' item is the original 7" pressing of this, not the 12". At $9 it might not be worth it if you just want to listen but (1) you can sell it for $10-15 fairly easy, I think, (2) Mudhoney's cover of SY's "Halloween" is one of the most, bestest, bitchin'est covers... it's just amazing. I'd pay $9 just to be able to listen to that one. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 26 Mar 91 10:00:51 -0500 From: Gordon Lee Subject: Re: Husker Du From: Roger Selby Subject: Husker Du Hey. Can anyone tell me where or how I could find a copy of Husker Du's cover of "8 miles High" (by the byrds originally)(or is it 9 miles?)? It doesn't matter what format (CD, cassette, 8-track, vinyl, whatever), but I must get a copy. Any clues would be very welcome including what label may or may not be distributing it. Thanks. It's SST 025, a 3" CD single that also contains the "Makes no sense at all" single tracks on it also. Four tracks total, I saw it at Newbury Comics, a local retail chain, for $9. Seemed sort of a high price, so I am going to wait on that. I think I once ran across it in a 5" format, but my memory is sketchy, I wish I had picked it up then. I really try not to be an impulse buyer, but sometimes I go too far ! Another more economical place to get "Eight Miles High" is on the SST compilation of covers called "Duck and Cover" (SST 263). This is a great piece of work, I highly recommend it. It also has Dinosuar Jr doing "Just Like Heaven" and Black Flag doing "Louie, Louie". Re: Mudhoney/SonicYouth single "Halloween" / "Touch Me I'm Sick" I went back to Newbury Comics last night and it was still there, so I bought it. It was $9, which is more than I think I have ever spent on 2 tracks, (I'm real cheap), but I got so much mail saying it was a collector's item that I decided to go for it. - GL =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 26 Mar 91 14:21:23 EST From: Jeff Tucker Subject: Re: gordon well, i never have actually seen that cd but that extra material sounds interesting. yes i am in louisville in fact i work at the u of l library . also slint had the guitarist and bassist from squirrel bait but never actually amounted to much. jeff =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 26 Mar 91 14:25:19 EST From: Jeff Tucker Subject: louisville music to anyone that is interested there is a real music scene developing here and any questions are welcome! =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 26 Mar 91 19:15:35 EST From: andrew bowser Subject: Re: Sonic Youth discography please send me a copy of the discography! Did you get the most recent CDEPs, ie Disappearer/Dis 8track, with quadruple gatefold CD sleeve featuring 8 (eight) R. Pettibon drawings, the last of which has a black velvet background? Disappearer 12" with the Richard Hell song? (+Traci Lords photo on cover) CDEP of Dirty Boots, with the boring instrumental that as far as I can tell is prev. unreleased? ("What do you do when your Mom's a skinhead?"<--any idea what that's a reference to?) CONFIRMED: for what it's worth, the color vinyl single on the handle of the Cannondale in that promo poster is the "fake Sub Pop" Melvins/Steel Pole Bathtub single (bonerrecords) Didn't even get a rejection fax from Djr yet... Andy B =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 26 Mar 91 19:21:21 EST From: andrew bowser Subject: Re: Squirrel Bait Hey, HUSKER DU'S entire catalog (I think) is still available thru SST, bless their pointed heads. I got Zen Arcade on CD only to have it ripped by local skinheads... I don't have the SST catalog handy but it's not too hard to find. As for the Mudhoney/SY 12", yeah, you missed it--it was one of those 1000 or so copy deals. I've heard it and as far as I'm concerned it's a piece of shit that shouldn't have survived 100 pressings. This cult of collectorism annoys me. If you really wanna hear it, my roommate picked it up. (Sucka!) Andy B =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 26 Mar 91 19:34:07 EST From: andrew bowser Subject: Re: Husker Du did I just write to you? I can't remember. Anyway, 8mh is STILL distributed by SST (I THINK PO BOX 1 Lawndale, CA, but I'm not completely positively sure), along with the entire (almost) HUSKER catalog.. Andy B =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 26 Mar 91 19:34:53 EST From: andrew bowser Subject: Re: Husker Du oh yeah, on the SST comp of cover songs called "Duck and Cover," just released =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 26 Mar 91 19:45:59 EST From: andrew bowser Subject: Slint is REALLY NEAT I had no idea SLINT had ex-Sqirrel Bait members--thankfully they've branched out a bit from the SB sound (no offense to SB fans). Their first album, "tweez", is a mostly-instrumental nod to...hmmm...Big Black, Naked Raygun, their parents (seriously--all the songs on the album are named after their parents). Not all-instrumental, let me qualify, but a lot of it. REALLY NEAT STUFF. Highly reccommended, for what it's worth. ! Second album from SLINT is brand spanking new--i.e. 2 weeks old--but I should have it in my hands momentarily. Yee ha. Looking forward to it! Andy B =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 26 Mar 91 19:48:27 EST From: andrew bowser Subject: Re: Husker Du shame! you bought it! =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 26 Mar 91 20:57:16 EST From: Jeff Tucker Subject: Slint is REALLY NEAT we really dont hear much from them around here anymore. =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 26 Mar 91 21:32:05 CST From: Roger Selby Subject: Husker Du Thanks for the very prompt leads for the Husker Du cover track. I only hope the cheap alternative record store here will be able to order it. P.S. Does anyone know if Bob Mould is touring in support of his last album? =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 26 Mar 91 22:43:50 EST From: Jeff Tucker Subject: info thanks for all the sonic youth info i have all their lps and eps but was in the dark about all those 12inches jeff =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 26 Mar 91 22:49:17 EST From: Subject: Re: Husker Du this ain't grunge, but somebody asked: bob mouldis playing some dates in support (sorta kinda) of _black sheets_. he just did an acoustic show at maxwells a few weeks ago. i missed it. oh well. back to grunge... woj =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 27 Mar 91 09:35:57 -0500 From: Gordon Lee Subject: Re: Husker Du From: Roger Selby Subject: Husker Du Does anyone know if Bob Mould is touring in support of his last album? "Black Sheets of Rain" ? He was in Boston about 6 months ago to do a conventional show, and then again, about 3 weeks ago to do a low-profile solo acoustic set. I missed seeing the solo acoustic, and have been kicking myself ever since. - GL =============================================================================== Wed, 27 Mar 91 22:20:06 EST Sender: Grunge Rock Discussion List From: Robert Vaughn Mr. Andy, >please send me a copy of the discography! Did you get the most recent CDEPs, Okay, it'll be sent right after this reply. You'll be the first to get the !new! revision (like, wow). Hope you like it. >ie Disappearer/Dis 8track, with quadruple gatefold CD sleeve featuring 8 >(eight) R. Pettibon drawings, the last of which has a black velvet background? Don't have this one. What are the specific song titles, and the catalog number? Do you have it? Wanna sell it? >Disappearer 12" with the Richard Hell song? (+Traci Lords photo on cover) Got it. Cool cover. Cover tune sucks, I think. >CDEP of Dirty Boots, with the boring instrumental that as far as I can tell >is prev. unreleased? ("What do you do when your Mom's a skinhead?"<--any >idea what that's a reference to?) Got it. I love this CD. The live stuff is fuckin' great, except Kim's lousy vocals on "Cinderella's Big Score". Too bad. The "mom's a skinhead" bit I don't get. I have never seen a word about Thurston's parents, but who knows? I got a kick out of all the people yelling "fuck her!" after Thurston asks, "What do you do when your mom's a skinhead?" If you run across any details, please let me know. >CONFIRMED: for what it's worth, the color vinyl single on the handle of the >Cannondale in that promo poster is the "fake Sub Pop" Melvins/Steel Pole >Bathtub single (bonerrecords) I don't quite understand this, but you've said two magic words: SubPop and The Melvins... details, please, details! >Didn't even get a rejection fax from Djr yet... I would think that it's the least they could do. Seems like a good joke but then again J Mascis acts like he's totally lacking a sense of humor, so who knows, maybe they were serious. Any tour information would give me a big woody, so if you hear anything let me know. There's been rumors, but only that. Gotta sleep, Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 11:44:17 EST From: Jeff Tucker To: GRUNGE --CMSNMAES From: Jeff Tucker Student Assistant Circulation Dept Phone: 588-6757 Subject: new kids just wanted to drop a line and tell everybody that donnie and one other new kid were arrested here(louisville,ky) last night for sexually harrassing an 11 year old girl and donnie my fave new kid was arraigned in city court late last night for catching a room in the seelbach(a really schnitzy hotel here)on fire with some molotov coctails. harbingers of the angst of youth , i dont think so...... sign of the apocalypse, potentially...... jeff =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Mar 91 23:05:12 CST From: Roger Selby Subject: Grunge? So, is there a loose definition of grunge that one may adhere to when deciding if a posting is appropriate for this list? Perhaps a list of sample bands would provide a sketchy outline of "Grunge". (I have never knowingly heard Dino Jr. and so I cannott use them as a refernce) Regor University of Regina Regina, Sask. =============================================================================== Date: Sat, 30 Mar 91 19:13:51 -0500 From: Gordon Lee Subject: Everything Falls Apart Husker Du originally recorded on Reflex Records, and then SST picked them up later. "Land Speed Record", "Everything Falls Apart", and "Metal Circus" were put out on Reflex in that order. SST picked up LSR and MC, but it seems that they skipped EFA. I have a tape of it, EFA is worthwhile, I don't understand why SST skipped it. Everything Falls Apart (1982) contents: >From The Gut <---- aside: this one sounds a bit like Mission of Burma Blah, Blah, Blah Punch Drunk Bricklayer Afraid Of Being Wrong Sunshine Superman <---- a cover, I can't remember who wrote it Signals From Above Everything Falls Apart Wheels Target Obnoxious Gravity Bricklayer is on Land Speed Record, but the rest don't seem to be on any of their other albums. The production is about the same as Metal Circus. The running time for the entire album is about 25 minutes. - GL =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 1 Apr 91 17:29:37 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Re: Grunge? Regor of Regina asks: > So, is there a loose definition of grunge that one may adhere to when >deciding if a posting is appropriate for this list? >Perhaps a list of sample bands would provide a sketchy outline of "Grunge". >(I have never knowingly heard Dino Jr. and so I cannott use them as a refernce Well, I might not be the best person to try and field this question, but since I hadn't put much thought into it before you brought it up, I might as well list some vague criteria (please get your sense of humor ready) -- * First and foremost, "grunge" makes me think of, well... grunge. You know, that dirty, grimey, muddy, molten sort of "playing the in the mudpile" feeling one gets if one ever played in a mudpile. * Usually lacking in synth sorts of things, and usually overemphasizing the guitar & heavy percussion thing. There are exceptions. Neil Young can be grungey at times, and so can Skinny Puppy (I think). Depends on my mood. The Cure has grungey moments, as does Siouxsie & The Banshees. Depeche Mode has never been grungey. Led Zeppelin might be grungey. New Kids on the Block are the anti-christ of grunge. The Osmonds have no grunge in them. Mojo Nixon looks grungey, but funny country music is almost never grungey. * Grunge is usually considered to be written by "smart people acting dumb" which is cool (AKA Killdozer, Dino Jr., etc). "Dumb people acting dumb" is never cool (AKA any pop heavy-metal band). Or so goes the stereotype. Don't ask me, I didn't come up with it. * Grunge bands look like dirtbags. They care little about their appearance, if at all. Long hair, t-shirts, ripped clothes... you name it. Pig Pen in "Peanuts" shoulda formed a grunge band. Makeup is a no-no. * There seems to be less emphasis on getting laid and love songs than one finds in dance music/pop/rap/bubble-gum heavy metal. Everyone wants to sleep with Sebastian Bach, whereas no one would ever lust after Tad Boyle or J Mascis, who writes love songs like: "I've been grazing by your window, Please come pat me on the head, Just wanna find out what Yer nice to me for..." * Almost all of the time you can't dance to it. I've seen people try, but I don't care, it's silly and it's not dancing. One of the reasons I like grunge is that it's hard to dance to, and you look dumb trying. * One can play air guitar/bass/drums to almost all good grunge. Granted, I look like an ass, but one of the reasons I like grunge is so's I can play an air . Twaang! Struum! Zrrrooomm! * All bands signed to SubPop or Amphetimine Reptile are considered grunge, except for those who aren't. Now, before any of you get all mad and blast me to ashes, let me say that this stuff is all tongue-in-cheek and should be taken with a dose of humor. :) Bands I would consider grunge: L7, Dino Jr., Mudhoney, The Melvins, The Thrown Ups, Fluid, The Dwarves, Tad, Surgery, Afghan Whigs, Big Chief, Nirvana, Killdozer, Urge Overkill, Screaming Trees, Green River, etc. Bands I would consider grunge but many wouldn't: Sonic Youth, The Cure (at rare times), S&TB (at times), Kate Bush (just kidding), Metallica (really), The Jesus & Mary Chain, Pixies, Big Black, Das Damen, Husker Du, etc. Now, perhaps the owner/manager/list-god might like to give us an "official" definition? Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET =============================================================================== From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Grunge\? Grunge! Who, me\? Jon Hilgreen says: >Robert! That was fabulous! I couldn't have said it better! I had been >thinking about how to reply to this all day. I vote that with robert's >permission we use that as an official defifinition of grunge. Well, if the "Robert" you refer to is me, then, sure, it sounds reasonable, but only if I can rewrite the whole thing first. Lord knows it could be better. And if you're not referring to me, well, heck, I apologize for bad assumptions and being vain. :) >And after all >I think he's got a cute node name. Awww, geez. Actually, I didn't pick it. It was here when I arrived. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 1 Apr 91 18:05:30 MST From: John {Doc} Exby Subject: defn. well I think i wrote something like this before but it never went through so I'll explain my opinion. As far as a definition of grunge - it irks me. 90% the time on this list is spent as "is this a grunge band" - "why isnt non-seattle stuff grunge". blah blah. Now granted I havent posted much music related things here because I just as soon go to nm-list with most things because I dont worry about "my god - will this spawn a 'hey that's not new/grung music'" discussion ad nausem. I dunna know. so i LOUDLY and MADLY vote NO to a 'pure' definition of grunge. hell it's a subjective term obviously, as are most things. let's leave it be and just discuss music that maybe kinda punk, kind of guitar, kind of whatever. And I'll try to do my part to post music items. Per example: watch for a new Didjits (ther are NOT grunge either - more like rock n roll on acid) in april sometime. maybe May knowing how Touch and Go operates. btw, if the Fluid heard you lump them in with those other 'grunge' bands they'd have your head. I do agree with them, it's all kinda rock and roll man, just different flavors not neccessarily needing a new definition of 'grunge'. ..................................... go out and spread it would ya -=====- -=====- -=- John Exby (guest) -=- - grubin@tramp.Colorado.EDU - =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 2 Apr 91 23:23:47 CST From: Roger Selby Subject: Grunge def'n A recent posting to this list has made me realize that perhaps my use of the word "definition" when I inquired about the direction of Grunge-l was ill- advised. I didn't want to spur any sort of definition war. I just wanted to inquire about what people thought grunge was about - a kind of "What grunge means to me" essay assignment. I'm always interested in finding out about new bands of the non-north american mainstream type. Ooops, "type" is another word that I should avoid. But anyhow, I hope that no-one has been scared away by the ideology of terminology. People should just use common grungy sense. I just thought the topic of the list would be a good issue for friendly diss- cussion. That is what happened or am I wrong? On to the "real grunge" of the posting: My favourite grungy band would have to be "Deja Voodoo". They are a duo from Montreal who play a Sears guitar with only four bass strings and a 3 piece drum kit with absolutely no cymbols (the drummer claims they are only for "fags and heavy metal geeks"). They're completely independent and distribute their albums on their own label called "Og records". Their sound is actually self-described as "sludgey". They have stopped doing cross Canada tours to work full time promoting the other bands that have also gotten signed to Og, like "The Gruesomes" and the "Dick Van Dycks". Fans of the grungy should take a listen to Deja Voodoo, as I am sure that sludge could easily fit under the umbrella of grunge. If anyone is interested I could provide an address for Og records in the future. Whatever. Well, later. Regor Department of Anthropology University of Regina Regina, Saskatchewan Canada S4S OA2 =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 3 Apr 91 14:03:18 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Re: Grunge defn. John Exby writes: >As far as a definition of grunge - it irks me. 90% the time >on this list is spent as "is this a grunge band" - "why isnt >non-seattle stuff grunge". blah blah. Now granted I havent Well, I don't think I'm trying to pound a nail in the "definition" of grunge. I kind of just tried to come up with some *humorous* guidelines of what grunge means to me, to give some people the idea of what *might* be appropriate for this group. >Per example: watch for a new Didjits (ther are NOT grunge either - >more like rock n roll on acid) in april sometime. maybe May >knowing how Touch and Go operates. Why not? I consider their music grungy. I'm not using it as a label. I'm using it as an adjective. I mean, I can say it's a big car or a little car, and that's subjective to what I think is big and small, but without those types of qualifiers how's one supposed to talk about anything? >btw, if the Fluid heard you lump them in with those other >'grunge' bands they'd have your head. I do agree with them, >it's all kinda rock and roll man, just different flavors not >neccessarily needing a new definition of 'grunge'. Ah, geez, if they want to call it rock and I want to call it grunge then what's the problem? I play air guitar to their music and I turn it up real loud and I drive fast and listen to it, so to me it's grunge. The list of bands was not meant to be a "this is grunge" and "this isn't grunge" but more of a "this is a list of bands that most would consider grungy". If they're half-deaf and think they play quietly, does that mean they should "have my head" if I happen to think they're loud? Besides, I thought I was being very liberal and tounge-in-cheek about the whole thing. If the boys in Fluid can't see the similarities between their music and L7 or Dinosaur Jr. while seeing the total dissimilarities between them and New Kids on the Block, then they're nuts. Their "flavor" is much closer to all those bands than any disco/rap/dance music kind of act. Band attitudes like that I can do without. Bands have been and always will be compared to other bands, just like cars are compared to cars and so on. Their music is pretty unique (I think. I used this term a lot too) but I still think they're grungy. Maybe they associate a lot of stereotypes and such with the term, but I don't. I wasn't part of the "Seattle scene" I was going to post an updated "grunge spew" but I think I'll hold off until I hear more on this, at least from John and hopefully from others. Did anyone else not think it was meant to be funny? Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 3 Apr 91 15:31:54 EST From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: Grunge defn. Rob Vaughn says: >I was going to post an updated "grunge spew" but I think I'll hold off until I >hear more on this, at least from John and hopefully from others. Did anyone >else not think it was meant to be funny? As Rob knows from my email reply, I thought it was pretty funny. I liked it. So post the spew, Rob; I'm curious to see what you thought of my sugges- tions. Besides, if you don't, then I'm going to compose my own spew on what I think grunge means, or at least what bands I find grungy. I'll take any opportunity to spout off. Ain't no need to quibble labels, man; 'ats wack as the rappers would say. __ ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** =============================================================================== From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (jon hilgreen) Subject: Re: Grunge defn. Date: Wed, 3 Apr 91 15:38:42 EST John Exby, Beleive me I am the first person to want to stay away from stereo types and such, but the most commonly asked question is what to us is grunge. I felt that Rob's humourous explanation was great, funny and non-stereotyping by mentioning that bands can do grungy things without being grunge. I think the TRAGICALLY HIP are grungy-twang rock. I hope you weren't offended by the idea of defining grunge, I think I like the words "describing what grunge is commonly known as, but not totally is" sounds better. What do you guys think? Jon =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 3 Apr 91 15:50:00 EST From: "Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat ! Presto !" Subject: Defs. Jon & Co. The more you try to get the defs down, the more someone will bring up a band that jumps around the rule. The defs people have posted are good though. I just usually think volume and the material when I think of grunge. Chiksaw Mud Puppies - Grunge? Yes. Killing Joke [early] - Grunge? Many would say no but a few might say yes. John Zorn - Naked City is grunge but it's grunge Jazz... The more you define it the more it slips away I guess. How about Thin White Rope, Lard, & Screaming Trees ? Boon Sheridan =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 15:05:52 BST From: lawsonj%PROJECT4.COMPUTER-SCIENCE.MANCHESTER.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Hello everybody Hello everyone. I don't know if anyone else from the UK has subscribed to GRUNGE... but here am I! I'm a student at Manchester University and like anything of a Sub Pop/ Glitterhouse nature. Are there any people out there who are into the Afghan Whigs, Helios Creed and stuff? (Like, no-one here has heard of any of them).... Pleaaaazzzzzzzzze talk to me 'cos it's the Easter vacation and everyone else has gone home and I'm sitting here in a big empty room with nothing to do (except lots of study haha haha ha) luv Julian (Julian Lawson, lawsonj@uk.ac.man.cs.p4) =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 10:30:07 EDT From: JBOWERS%GWUVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Hello everybody > and theres a way to find yout whos on the list i think > some kind of command and it mails back whos on the list. TELL LISTSERV AT UBVM REVIEW GRUNGE-L got it? ok! jaybee =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 10:32:40 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Re: Hello everybody/Helios Creed G'day Julian, >Hello everyone. I don't know if anyone else from the UK has subscribed to >GRUNGE... but here am I! I'm a student at Manchester University and like >anything of a Sub Pop/ Glitterhouse nature. Are there any people out there who >are into the Afghan Whigs, Helios Creed and stuff? (Like, no-one here has > heard of any of them).... Afghan Whigs are one of my fave grungy-style (tm) bands. First heard them on a SubPop single "I Am The Sticks b/w White Trash Party". I have their "Up In It" LP (SubPop) and a newer single (forgot the title, SubPop too). I've written to the lead singer Greg Dully on several ocassions, and have gotten the rare reply. He says they had an earlier album on some label I can't recall, but he said it wasn't very good and wouldn't recommend it. I don't claim know the guy, but he was nice enough to answer some questions. Helios Creed is doing stuff on Amphetimine Reptile, has a new album out on that label, and was touring with another band on that label. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET "Urine test? Sure! Will we be judged on color and bouquet, or distance and accuracy?" =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 10:00:14 EST From: inkari%BATGIRL.HUT.FI@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Hello everybody > > Hello everyone. I don't know if anyone else from the UK has subscribed to > GRUNGE... but here am I! I'm a student at Manchester University and like > anything of a Sub Pop/ Glitterhouse nature. Are there any people out there who > are into the Afghan Whigs, Helios Creed and stuff? (Like, no-one here has heard > of any of them).... yeah. what the hell is sub pop / glitterhouse ?????? anyone heard a french death band, massacre or sth like that ?? i heard two tracks from the radio and it sounded damn good. any news about the new bolt thrower ? and theres a way to find yout whos on the list i think some kind of command and it mails back whos on the list. > Pleaaaazzzzzzzzze talk to me 'cos it's the Easter vacation and everyone else has > gone home and I'm sitting here in a big empty room with nothing to do (except > lots of study haha haha ha) this list is dead. do not talk, please (; im sitting in a medium size half empty room with major programming assignment due tomorrow. i also wanted to buy the new sepultura today but they did not have the cd in store so i randomly picked up danzig II lucifuge. im listening it now. =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 11:09:06 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: My recent grunge grunting Just a quick note: I haven't heard from John Exby yet but upon rereading his mail on the idea of a definition and my reply, I think I may come across as being harsh or flaming. I'd like to assure Mr. Exby that this is not my intention. It was meant to be simply some thoughts and questions and was not intended to look "heated". Please don't take it that way. If I've offended, I apologize. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the subject. -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 13:42:15 EST From: Ron Rader Subject: My name is 777 >this list is dead. do not talk, please (; im sitting in a medium size >half empty room with major programming assignment due tomorrow. i >also wanted to buy the new sepultura today but they did not have the >cd in store so i randomly picked up danzig II lucifuge. im listening >it now. yeah, Yeah, YEAH! Stupid of me not to bring up good ol' Glenn Danzig before on the Grunge list. D II Lucifuge is an amazing album, just as good (if not better) than Danzig (first one). Particularly if you pick it up randomly, hope you find it as cool as I do. Danzig's previous bands, the Misfits and Samhain, are pretty grungy to boot. I highly recommend all of it. From punk to thrash to death rock to blues to metal, Danzig puts your head through the hoops. And now for something completely different: DUKE BLUE DEVILS - 1991 NCAA HOOPS CHAMPIONS!!! HA HA HA -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 12:54:26 MST From: John {Doc} Exby Subject: Grunge (tm) reply Well i just got Robs lenghty reply back and I did not take it as a flame, as I hope mine mesg wasnt either. So now for some followup: i liked a ton of bands rob named, and agree that his thoughts are valid and was a funny posting. The only thing I am opposed to is a "definition" when it should constantly be USED ONLY as a personal adjective! If I interpreted this wrong ( and maybe I did) then i apologize., nuthin wrong with folks saying "I think the didjits and fluid are grungy". I wont agrue with folks personal opinions, but dont tell me (not that anyone has) what grunge is/should be/was/can be etc... I think people should just talk about fucking bands and music here and if someone doesnt think it's grunge what diff does it make? It just seems like there is way to much "line drawing" and "definition" creating going on. let's be done with it and move on. I did see the Fluid last night here in Denver, so I will bring this up in a later posting. They are also in Boulder next tues/wed. my ears are ringing. I think they're just a plain loud/rock band, but to each his own. :-) Another topic to get on: how many here are on nm-list? and if the majority are, that's where my posts will be. There seems to be interest about the "grunge" (fuk i hate that word already) bands there as well... and i dont think I should send messages to both lists if the same folks are reading it twice. thoughts? ..................................... -=====- -=====- -=- John Exby (guest) -=- - grubin@tramp.Colorado.EDU - =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 17:01:30 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Grunge spewing... My Lexicon of Grunge -------------------- In the tradition of Jeff Dauber's infamous "industrial rant" I'd like to present a musical dissertation of my own. Call it Rob's "grunge grunt." I've caught a hint of flack from this so let me state that these is a highly personal perspective to be presented here. Someone asked, so I figured I might as well list some vague personal criteria. Please have your sense of humor ready -- * First and foremost, "grunge" makes me think of, well... grunge. You know, that dirty, grimey, muddy, molten sort of "playing the in the mudpile" feeling (most familiar to those of us who actually played in mudpiles.) * Grunge-rock usually lacks in synth sorts of sounds, and usually overemphasizes the gee-tar and heavy percussion thang. Of course, there are exceptions. Neil Young can be grungy at times. So can Skinny Puppy (I think. Depends on my mood.) The Cure has had grungy moments, as has Siouxsie & The Banshees. Depeche Mode has *never* been grungy. Soul Asylum used to be grungy, and Mother Love Bone wished they were grungy. * Grunge is the only kind of music that always improves with volume. Even if it's so loud that it sounds like you're being run over by a 747, it's still not loud enough. Too much distortion is never a bad thing. The Who qualify as a grunge band only because they hold the world record for the loudest concert ever. * Grunge is usually written by "smart people acting dumb", which is considered "cool" (i.e. Killdozer, Dinosaur Jr., The Melvins, etc). "Dumb people acting dumb" is never "cool" (i.e. any current pop-heavy-metal band). Or so goes the stereotype. Don't ask me, I didn't come up with it. * Grunge bands look like dirtbags. They care little, if at all, about their appearance. Long hair, t-shirts, ripped clothes... you name it. Male or female. It's often hard to tell the two apart. Makeup, on the other hand, is a definite no-no. Pig Pen from "Peanuts" should have formed a grunge band. * There seems to be less emphasis on love songs/women troubles/getting laid themes than one finds in dance/pop/rap/bubble-gum-metal music. Everyone wants to sleep with Sebastian Bach, whereas no one would ever want to be stuck in the same room as Tad Boyle or swap spit with J. Mascis, who writes inspired love songs like: "I've been grazing by your window / please come pat me on the head / just wanna find out what yer nice to me for", or "Sometimes I think I thrill you / sometimes I think I'll kill you / jus' don't let me fuck up will you / 'cause when I need a friend it's still you" * Almost all of the time you can't dance to grunge. I've seen people try. I don't care, it looks silly and it's not dancing. One of the reasons I like grunge is that it's impossible to dance to, and you look dumb doing it. A true way to separate the wholesale grungy from the alternative art fag (for a definition of "art fag", please see The Dead Milkmen's "You'll Dance To Anything") * One can play air guitar/bass/drums to almost all good grunge. Granted, I may look like an ass, but one of the reasons I like grunge is that I can play air . Twaang! Struum! Zrrrooomm! Opus the Penguin is definitely into grunge. * It's been said that if "rock 'n' roll was born from the blues, then punk was the bastard child twice removed." I guess that would make grunge the retarded cousin who picks his nose at the table and eats it. The current incarnation was sparked by the release of the "SubPop 200" compilation in late 1987 (on SubPop, of course), but grunge has existed in one form or another since rock's inception. Everyone knows that The Stooges or The MC5 were grunge. I'd argue that Black Sabbath and Blue Cheer were too. Everyone knows Hendrix was chock full o' grunge. Prudes and uptights considered Elvis to be filthy, subversive grunge. And so on. * All bands signed to SubPop or Amphetimine Reptile are automatically grunge, except for those who aren't grungy. Same goes for most of the bands on SST, Touch & Go, Matador, Twin Tone, Blast First, Pop Llama, Glitterhouse, and many others. If it was produced by Jack Endino, it's inarguably grunge. If Jack even so much as likes it, it's grunge. Period. * The New Kids on the Block and the Osmonds are the anti-christs of grunge. * Bands that most people would think are grunge: L7, Dinosaur Jr., Mudhoney, The Melvins, The Thrown Ups, Fluid, Swallow, The Dwarves, Tad, Surgery, Afghan Whigs, Big Chief, Nirvana, Killdozer, Urge Overkill, Helmet, Screaming Trees, Green River, Babes in Toyland, Blood Circus, Pussy Galore, Halo of Flies, Les Thugs, Teenage Fanclub, The Fastbacks, Soundgarden, etc. You should buy all of the albums by all of these bands right now. * Bands I would consider grunge but many wouldn't: Sonic Youth, The Cure (at rare times), S&TB (at times), Kate Bush (just kidding), Metallica (seriously), The Jesus & Mary Chain, Pixies, Big Black, Das Damen, Husker Du, Meat Puppets, Jane's Addiction, Skinny Puppy, Black Sabbath, Corrosion of Conformity, Suicidal Tendencies (first LP only), some Mountain, The Sex Pistols, The Misfits, etc. * Bands that were grungy but lost their balls: The Replacements, Soul Asylum, Suicidal Tendencies, and too many others. * Things that you can do while listening to grunge: Play air guitar, swill beer & gulp booze, shoot heroin, drive fast, beat children, eat hot food, wet yourself, punch walls, think dirty thoughts, bang your head, sit still with an idiotic grin on your face, pick your nose (don't forget to eat it), twitch spastically, let your hair grow, count the dimples on a golf ball (highly recommended), scratch your brain, write inane dialogs about music, :) and so on. * Things you can't do while listening to grunge: Anything not listed above. * Last but not least, grunge just doesn't give a shit. It's better than you, and it knows it. Worse yet, so do you. Well, that's about everything that comes to mind now. I could spend weeks compiling ideas but I just don't feel like it. Some people think it's a crime to own 90%+ of the SubPop catalog. I think it's a shame not to. Remember, if it isn't SubPop, it probably sucks! (tm) =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 17:22:02 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Re: nm-list, my babbling, sorry Current discussion re: the nm-list, which I'm also on: >> But it is rude and wrong not to at least attempt to reply to a users needs a >> requests. I try my best, I hope all of you are satasfied. 8) >yes i would agree this can be a problem although it has never happened >to me and I have been on/off about 5 times in 2yrs due to diff >accts and whatnot. i always had a 2-3 day reply period. I would agree. I have only been on the nm-list for four months but it's not ever been a problem. >> Anyhow, my second gripe with NM-LIST was that it should have been called the >> industrial and Big Black mailing list. Granted I love, I mean LOVE Big Blac >nm-list goes in cycles. I havent seen a bigblack message in months, Same here. Things seem to come and go. The only consistant there is the ambient/industrial/whatever stuff Mason (aka god himself :) reviews. >but yes things lean in the industrial vein or noiz. which is GOOD! >variety and different forms/forums is an expansion thing. True enough. But that's one of the reasons I joined the grunge-l list. Things on the new music list sway back and forth and are rarely focused. I like industrial/art/alternative/heck, just about anything, but I have to admit that my first and foremost interest/love/obsession is grunge ala SubPop, Amph. Reptile, SST, etc. It might not be as obscure as the nm-list stuff, but I certainly think it's underrated and somewhat ignored/looked-down-upon. >the only reason 'grunge' wasn't talked about more is because no >one brought it up. I do on nm-l very freq, and no one says >"hey keep that out of here", I guess you get what you put into >it maybe. This one I would have to debate. No one ever told me to keep grunge stuff out, but I posted reviews of predominantly grunge stuff and it sparked less than zero discussions. Basically, it was ignored. Heck, I don't expect a fan club or waves of applause, but a comment (good or bad) every now and then would suffice. I felt that it just didn't cut the mustard there and that's why I'm here. I posted there as much as I do here now but felt my energies were better directed towards blabbing here (I do it so well, don't I?) and just listening/absorbing there. >> deal with SUB POP to service me with promotional material and stuff for the >> list. Not to mention, Bruce Pavit, and Jon Poneman don't read NM-LIST, they >> do read archives of GRUNGE-L though. Owners of SUB POP >this is very cool, nice kudos for this. a definate plus. Wow. I look forward to hearing about this stuff. I just sent them a short letter with some thank-yous and "suggestions" (with an order, of course :), but I have yet to hear from them on either account. I hope they take my request for a newsletter seriously. On a SubPop note, from the latest issue of Spin magazine (which has an interesting article on Wax Trax), SubPop has decided to stay independent after several approaches by big labels (YEAH!). I can get the specific quote if y'all want it. Could it be that maybe one independent label has higher ideals than just the mighty buck? Money, fine, rich, sure, but not at the cost of the music? Stay tuned. >I would not single out one list as more apropos. I am going to >post information to both probably when it's warrented. but >I'll keep my BoyDirtCar thoughts out of here. ;-) Funny, I would think BoyDirtCar is grungy enough to mention here. Then again, I'm a music slut. >I do like this list and am staying. whether you all like it >or not. :-) Oh yeah!? Well, tough, then I'm staying too. That's MR. Rob to you, Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 17:25:17 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Re: Grunge def'n Regor ponders: >by the ideology of terminology. People should just use common grungy sense. I >just thought the topic of the list would be a good issue for friendly diss- >cussion. That is what happened or am I wrong? I think it was pretty friendly. I might come across too strong or heated at times but the cool head of John Exby and others prevails. >My favourite grungy band would have to be "Deja Voodoo". They are a duo from >Montreal who play a Sears guitar with only four bass strings and a 3 piece >drum kit with absolutely no cymbols (the drummer claims they are only for >"fags and heavy metal geeks"). They're completely independent and distribute I had a chance to see these guys once when I was in Montreal. Didn't know they had albums available. They were good but I was a bit too intoxicated at the time to really appreciate them. I'd like to see them again, in a more "appreciative" state-of-mind. >umbrella of grunge. If anyone is interested I could provide an address for >Og records in the future. Whatever. Well, later. Sure, let's hear it. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 17:29:32 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Re: Fluid and Nirvana (not the single) John Exby exclaims: >I did see the Fluid last night here in Denver, so I will bring this >up in a later posting. They are also in Boulder next tues/wed. >my ears are ringing. I think they're just a plain loud/rock >band, but to each his own. :-) Do you know anything about a planned tour/new record label/whatever? I believe you mentioned that they had a falling out with the SubPop folks. What's the poop? BTW, Nirvana has signed a three-record deal with some big label I can't remember. Seems like a lot of independents are moving up quick. Anyone know anything more about this. I know Dan Peters of semi-retired Mudhoney has taken over on drums, I know they had an album down (but for what label I don't know) and planned to re-record it with Peters, and I think John mentioned on the nm-list that they also had it out with the SubPopsters. I'll shut up and go home now, Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 14:54:04 MST From: John {Doc} Exby Subject: Re: NM-LIST On Thu Apr 4 1991 3:26pm, jon hilgreen (hilgreen%ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote: > Subject: "NM-LIST" > But it is rude and wrong not to at least attempt to reply to a users needs and > requests. I try my best, I hope all of you are satasfied. 8) yes i would agree this can be a problem although it has never happened to me and I have been on/off about 5 times in 2yrs due to diff accts and whatnot. i always had a 2-3 day reply period. > Anyhow, my second gripe with NM-LIST was that it should have been called the > industrial and Big Black mailing list. Granted I love, I mean LOVE Big Black, > and I love industrial music, I used to do an industrial dance music radio show > on my college radio station, WRUB. But I felt 50 to 75 messages/day were just > too much, plus they rarely spoke about GRUNGE related issues. > nm-list goes in cycles. I havent seen a bigblack message in months, but yes things lean in the industrial vein or noiz. which is GOOD! variety and different forms/forums is an expansion thing. I like to hear about diff forms of music, hell Mason got me started on the "japanese noise" and now I love alot of really abrasive stuff, and also the more regular music genres as well. the only reason 'grunge' wasn't talked about more is because no one brought it up. I do on nm-l very freq, and no one says "hey keep that out of here", I guess you get what you put into it maybe. Also on volume. I've gotten about 15msgs today alone from grunge and 15 in the last 3 days from nm-l. hm. > > Also, GRUNGE-L is currently going through a few changes. I just worked out a > deal with SUB POP to service me with promotional material and stuff for the > list. Not to mention, Bruce Pavit, and Jon Poneman don't read NM-LIST, they > do read archives of GRUNGE-L though. Owners of SUB POP this is very cool, nice kudos for this. a definate plus. > Thus I feel that this is the best place to keep your posts about grungey loud > rock. I hope you do to. 8) > > Jon > --hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu I would not single out one list as more apropos. I am going to post information to both probably when it's warrented. but I'll keep my BoyDirtCar thoughts out of here. ;-) I do like this list and am staying. whether you all like it or not. :-) and the Listserv does do a nice job. much faster turn around on posted messages. ..................................... time for a cup a jo and a donut -=====- -=====- -=- John Exby (guest) -=- - grubin@tramp.Colorado.EDU - =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 16:12:22 PDT From: 56 Subject: Re: Fluid and Nirvana (not the single The Fluid will not be on SubPop anymore. They didn't exactly have a "falling-out" with SubPop, it's just that SubPop can't offer them all they need for touring and album promotion. They are looking for a bigger label. Same with Nirvana, they just needed a bigger label who could promote more. Dan Peters is not drumming with Nirvana; they instead decided to pick up a guy from Scream, who is a really good & loud drummer. Dan is drumming with Screaming Trees now for a while, and is still with Mudhoney, who may do a US tour in August. II II II "DEATH NEEDS TIME II nuit@milton.u.washington.edu II FOR WHAT IT KILLS II P.O. Box 95438, Seattle WA USA II TO GROW IN" II (206) 328-2156 II II =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 21:19:10 EST From: WALTERS.C.E%P9955.WLU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: re: Grunge spewing... HI there. This is my first message and I think that i did the right thing by joining this list because of many good bands that i have been reading about. If anyone is from around North Carolina or Tennessee two good bands to catch are definitely Clockhammer and Fetchin' bones. If anybody knows where these guys might be playing drop a message. =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 08:40:33 GMT From: Keith Aitken Subject: Re: Hello everybody Hi Julian, On Apr 4, 3:05pm, lawsonj@p4.cs.man.ac.uk wrote: Subject: Hello everybody > Hello everyone. I don't know if anyone else from the UK has subscribed to > GRUNGE... but here am I! I'm a student at Manchester University and like You are not alone! I'm a graduate of Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh, currently working as an electronic engineer for a small networking company called Spider Systems, also in Edinburgh. Fave Bands : Husker Du (No.1!), Dinosaur Jr, Buffalo Tom, Teenage Fan Club, Bitch Magnet, Pixies, Throwing Muses, Thin White Rope, Mudhoney, The Cateran, and anything else that moves me. Cheers, Keith -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Email : keitha@spider.co.uk | Voice : +44 31 554 9424 | "Wear turquoise, and watch out for bad vibes" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 11:05:38 BST From: John Fitzgerald Subject: Re: Hello everybody This very morning, Keith Aitken,keitha@%uk.co.spider wrote: >On Apr 4, 3:05pm, lawsonj@p4.cs.man.ac.uk wrote: >Subject: Hello everybody >> Hello everyone. I don't know if anyone else from the UK has subscribed to >> GRUNGE... but here am I! I'm a student at Manchester University and like > > You are not alone! I'm a graduate of Heriot-Watt University, >Edinburgh, currently working as an electronic engineer for a small >networking company called Spider Systems, also in Edinburgh. Both of you are even less alone. And Julian is even more less alone, since I'm just round the corner. I've actually been on this list since the start, but haven't posted in a (very) long time due to this here thesis. So you've shamed me into saying Hi :-) For the record, I've got a lot in common with Keith's declared tastes, esp. Husker plus a bit of Soundgarden and Killdozer (this week). ObGrunge: apparently Tad is to make a movie. Is this true? Wide-screen, I guess. Cheers John >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > John Fitzgerald > E-mail : jsf@uk.ac.man.cs > Formal Methods Group > Computer Science Dept. > Tel : (+44)-61-275-6135 Manchester University M13 9PL > FAX : (+44)-61-275-6280 United Kingdom > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 08:00:38 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Spin magazine articles The following are reprinted from Spin magazine without a stitch of permission from them. If they sue, y'all have to promise to claim you never saw this (yeah, right :) Howdy fellow-muck-wallowers, Here's some grunge related news gleaned from the latest Spin magazine (it sucks but I've already got my subscription...) "Red Hot Chili Peppers have signed a three-record deal with Warner Bros. for over $6 million. Seattle's Nirvana has signed a three-record deal with DGC for $750,000, an unheard of amount for a new alternative band." Not as new as they'd like to think, eh? Now DGC has two of the very best bands around today. Hats of to David Geffen, who seems like the only real person in that crowd of assholes. Maybe they'll pick up Fluid too. I wonder if DGC approached SubPop with an offer? I can't believe the Chili's are making that kind of dough. "SubPop to majors -- Drop dead: ``Having invested a lot of time and money and having gone out to dinner with every jackass in the music business, we've said, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' for the time being,'' says SubPop Records co-owner Jon Poneman on the Seattle label's decision to remain independent. ``They [the major labels] would flatter us by acting like we were truly the revolutionary business people we thought we were. The fact of the matter is that we already have better-souding records and better bands than any alternative department that the majors have bothered to set up.''" Thank god. Time being? I hope a long time. I don't understand the business people bit. Do they think they are, do the labels think they are, does anyone? Huh? And from a pretty poor review of Dinosaur Jr.'s _Green Mind_: "Talented bassist and occasional song-writer Lou Barlow -- who played the role of a Bob Stinson figure in Dinosaur Jr., not through substance abuse but by injecting an extra jolt of chaos into the band's gestalt -- wastes five minutes of side two [of _Bug_] screaming, "Why don't you like me?" I guess it was a good question, since Mascis kicked him out of the band not long after the album was released." I saw them tour for _Bug_ several months after the album was released. Lou was playing bass. He was also around for the _Just Like Heaven_ EP and sang the song "Chunks". I've also heard that Lou left the band of his own accord. Sounds like Mascis' head is getting a bit swelled, maybe? Are these stories that Mascis is spreading or reality. I trust nothing I haven't heard with my own ears, and even then... Anyway, the writer rants about the greatness of _Green Mind_, which I thought was just okay. Nowhere near the classics _YLAOM_ or _Bug_. IMHO, of course. Grumblin, Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET "COOL DRIVING TECHNIQUE #23: Drive without brake lights. (Light deactivation method is unimportant; just try to appear oblivious.)" =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 08:12:32 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Leaving Trains new LP Anyone know anything about Leaving Trains newest LP, or their old ones, or anything about the band in general. They have several LPs on SST but SST has this tendency to release some pretty lame stuff... Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 08:12:41 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Seaweed & SuperChunk (fwd) Forwarded message: >From steveskr@u.washington.edu Thu Apr 4 18:07:46 1991 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 14:21:33 -0800 From: Steve Skrzyniarz Message-Id: <9104042221.AA07096@milton.u.washington.edu> Sender: steveskr@milton.u.washington.edu To: punk-list@cs.tut.fi Subject: Seaweed & SuperChunk Two of my friends' bands, Seaweed [from Seattle] and SuperChunk [from Chapel Hill, NC] are currently touring California. If you see a flyer for either of them or hear of a show, you owe it to yourself to check them out. Seaweed recently signed to SubPop [whatever that means anymore] and are a great blend of Dinosaur melodies, Metallica heaviness, DC energy and Janes Addiction rhythms [although they are definately NOT funky!]. SuperChunk has several records out including the [pretty big] hit "Slack Motherfucker" and an LP on Matador. Mac [the singer/lead guitar player] has been in tons of Chapel Hill bands over the last 5-6 years including Wwax, Bricks, the SlushPuppies, Burn, Seam, Metal Pitcher and others, and is destined to become a teenage superstar. SuperChunk is Soul Asylum/Dinosaur Jr melodic sloppiness at its best, and their bass player [Laura] is such a babe. Anyway, if you get a chance to see either [or both; I think they're playing together in San Diego and LA] check them out -- each band puts on a great, energetic show. I believe Seaweed is playing in Huntington Beach with the Leaving Trains. Sorry, I don't have tour dates on me... Scruz (steveskr@milton.u.washington.edu) -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET "COOL DRIVING TECHNIQUE #23: Drive without brake lights. (Light deactivation method is unimportant; just try to appear oblivious.)" -- Baird McIntosh "Expert (noun) - Someone who knows more and more about less and less until they finally know everything about nothing" Definition: E-Credibility (noun-ME) - The unguaranteed likelyhood that the electronic mail you are reading is genuine rather than someone's made up crap. COOL DRIVING TECHNIQUE #11: No turn signals! That's right... NO SIGNALS! Wanna left turn? Right? Lane change? Parallel park? Screw the signals! -- Baird McIntosh "Christ died for our sins. Dare we make his martyrdom meaningless by not committing them?" -- Jules Feiffer "Television is the opiate of the asses." "... and Dinsdale said, "My, you've been a naughty boy, Clement," and splits me nostrils open, and saws me leg off, and pulls me liver out. And I says, "My name's not Clement." And then he loses his temper and nails me head to the floor." -- Dinsdale brothers sketch, Monty Python Dick Cavett: Do you consider yourself a disciplined guy? Do you get up every day and "go to work"? Jimi Hendrix: Well, yeah. I try to get up every day. "Urine test? Sure! Will we be judged on color and bouquet, or distance and accuracy?" "When I find that my views agree with the majority, then is the time to reform." -- Mark Twain "Jousting with leaves remained inescapable." -- Mason Jones COOL DRIVING TECHNIQUE #5: Wait for the closest parking space; ignore the cars behind you who'd be happy with *any* space sometime this millenium. -- Baird McIntosh "'Round and 'round the while() loop goes; whether it stops," Turing says, "no one knows." Engineering is the fine art of balancing dreams against life's harsh realities. "this compact disc is made from an analog master recorded without noise reduction. half the tracks, in fact, were recorded in a dismal, cheap basement eight-track studio with puddles of water on the floor. digital technology will now faithfully reproduce these noisy, low-fi, unprofessional masters for you at great expense. feel stupid yet?" -- Big Black "I wear my snake-skin-leather jacket to express my individuality and my belief in personal freedom." -- Sailor, Wild at Heart "I'm rich and important; I should get to run over whomever I want!" -- Monty Burns, The Simpsons =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 08:20:01 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Re: Fluid and Nirvana 56 quoteth: >Same with Nirvana, they just needed a bigger label who >could promote more. Dan Peters is not drumming with Nirvana; they >instead decided to pick up a guy from Scream, who is a really good & >loud drummer. Well, as mentioned earlier, Nirvana's signed to DGC now. Maybe they'll pick up Fluid now too. I would think that SubPop's distribution is pretty good nowadays, but I can definitely see the advantages of a real big label. >Dan is drumming with Screaming Trees now for a while, and is still >with Mudhoney, who may do a US tour in August. Zowie wow. If Mudhoney tours I hope you'll let us all know. They're one of the few bands I'd travel a huge distance to see. What's people's opin of the newest Screaming Trees LP? I didn't really care for it at first but much like SY's _Goo_ its grown on me quite a bit. Read somewhere that Mark Pickeral (ex-Trees drummer) is playing in a band with Hiro Yamamoto (I slaughter foreign names, sorry, ex-Soundgarden) called Truth. Any news? >II FOR WHAT IT KILLS II P.O. Box 95438, Seattle WA USA Now that's the place to live. What am I doing here? I doubt it rains that much more. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET "Urine test? Sure! Will we be judged on color and bouquet, or distance and accuracy?" =============================================================================== From: ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr Well, Rob, you did it again. I'm now sniffing the coffee out of my nose and back in my mouth, wiping it off the screen, and answering stupid questions like "what's so funny?" I'll save this one away for future reference... Thought I'd take this to the list: I see no mention or discussion of MOTORHEAD on GRUNGE-L. What up? Any band with Lemmy Kilminster automagically becomes grungy. Grunge flows from this gentleman like oil from a Kuwaiti well. If you haven't picked up any Motorhead because someone told you they're bonehead metal, well you have a treat in store. Buy every disc you can immediately! How can you beat lyrics like: I'M THE DOCTOR - Motorhead I know the way you feel, I know you ain't too good I know it feels like there's detergent in your blood I'm gonna help you, gonna make you feel all right I'm gonna lift your black depression, help you through the night I'm your man, you know I'll help you if I can 'Cause I'm the Doctor! I know you're desperate, I really sympathize I see the morbid horror flicker in your eyes But rest assured I'm gonna help to ease your pain I'm gonna put a thousand tiny implants in your brain I'm your boy, I'll make you undulate with joy 'Cause I'm the Doctor! Don't get too depressed, I've found a way to help your case A little hypodermic sends you into outer space You'll feel much better when you take these little pills I'm gonna give you sixteen bottles, I believe in overkill Heart attack, you know you're never coming back 'Cause I'm the Doctor! ------ 0 ------ ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 12:17:49 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: My Grunge Lexicon BTW, I'd like to let Jon (and everyone) know that the file I sent called "My Lexicon of Grunge (Rob's Grunge Grunt)" is pretty much my rewritten (slightly) and expanded (a bit) official entry for the "Vas is dis grunge shtuff?" contest. I'm sure people could make lots o' suggestions, so if you feel inclined, shut up and write your own. Phhht! So there! Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 13:35:12 EST From: Figure in black Subject: lot 'o shit OK - My name is joe and I'm a lurker. I live here in sunny Gainesville FL where the grunge scene (as well as the underground scene in general) is cool and flourishing. Lots of bands for such a small town in the middle of the babble belt. Lately we've seen the emergence of many a grunge band locally - Gunk, Dredge, and my favorite, Schlong. Dredge is a mutation of the Doldrums - a garage band folks round Florida may have heard of a few years ago. The local band which probably has received the most widespread recognition is our very own Mutley Chix. Although only one of the original members remains after close to ten years, these rock-n-roll babes make some of the best old milwaukee slop ever to offend my ears. They have recorded a couple of tapes which were distributed locally (drop me a line if anyone's in terested). Enough local band stuff - the Dead Milkmen will curse us with their presence at the University of Florida Reitz Union on April 21 or something like that. I'll be there...and I'll dance to anything. I will let everyone know about that show. Thanks to whoever wrote about Motorhead. I'm not going quibble over a def of grunge, but my taste (or lack of) usually resides at the more metallic end of grunge continuum (Megadeth, Sabbath, Nugent, Metallica, etc.). As far as Lemmy and the boys go, for the novice I would suggest acquiring the live disc "Whats Words Worth". It covers a lot of their best stuff and gives you a feel for the incredible electricity and noise this band is capable of. More stuff: does anyone know what has become of MDC (Millions of Dead Cops, Mil lions of Dead Christians...)? My former boss got me into them a couple of year s ago because his brother did the artwork on their first couple albums. But where are they now? Something else: does anyone listen to Voivoid? I got their last album - NOTHINGFACE and I find it most hallucinatory in a loud way. I know they're from Canada and that they have several other records, but I don't really know anything else about them. Oh yeah - album highlight - a metallic cover of Pink Floyd's Astronomy Domine well worth checking out. Concerning other bands I've heard about on this list-- Dinosaur Jr. played at a campus bar here almost three years ago. I missed the show as did most people because of tight-wadded university security which shut it down because people were dancing. A quasi-riot ensued in which the door of the bar was kicked in and then wedged shut by the crowd which had been thrown outside with the police trapped inside. (The Chili Peppers got shut down here too - twice) I've heard talk on this list of the Dwarves, but I don't know anything about them. They played here in G-ville at the scum bar Hardback Cafe and I met the band in line for the toilet. They seemed prettu gross and grungy, but circum- stances demanded that I leave before I could see them play. So could someone fill me in on who or what they are? So there - I wrote - I participated - I am no longer just a lurker.... "Now you know the scene...your skin starts turning green..." =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 11:38:57 PDT From: 56 Subject: Mark PIckerel's new band Mark Pickerel, who drummed for the Screaming Trees for years, now has a band called Truly. SubPop will be putting out a single from them soon, but don't await tour; both Mark and Hiro (Soundgarden's original bass player) quit their bands primarily because they don't like touring. They will be playing in Seattle however (lucky me!), Saturday night, in fact, and I'll let you know how they sound. The singer\guitarist is Robert who was in a band here in Seattle who never released anything but were quite good in a melodic-poppy way calledStorybook Crooks. Happy whiplashes! II II II "DEATH NEEDS TIME II nuit@milton.u.washington.edu II FOR WHAT IT KILLS II P.O. Box 95438, Seattle WA USA II TO GROW IN" II (206) 328-2156 II II =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 17:48:25 EST From: Jeff Tucker Subject: info does anyone have a list of the releases on the sub-pop and estatic peace labels if so could we have that. also does anybody know where i could get an lp copy of the first adolescents album, i have a cassette of it but it is a copy of a copy of a.....and it will barely play, it is probably my favorite punk album and i would recommend it to everybody grunge or not it is a classic! =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 15:02:26 PST From: Brian Russ Subject: "What other bands sound like ___?" I've posted this kind of question before, but I decided I'll ask again ... I'm into the heavier side of grunge metal -- particularly, bands like Nirvana and Tad (whose new one is really growing on me) -- and I'm looking for more bands of that ilk. I think I've exhausted the SubPop catalog (L7, Fluid, Mudhoney, Afghan Whigs, old Soundgarden), but I know nothing about the other grunge indie labels. There's been a lot of talk about Dinosaur Jr. -- what do they sound like? Are they based in metal, or just loud r-n-r? Who else out there sounds like Nirvana or Tad? Brian =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 18:16:00 EST From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: lot 'o shit VOIVOD is cool, I like 'em a lot. Got Nothingface as well, but no other albums. Any recommendations? -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** =============================================================================== Date: Sat, 6 Apr 91 04:48:00 EST From: BILL TAUB Subject: Re: gordon Actually this is about Husker-Du... It seems that the Byrds colver you are loking for is not found on lp.... it is on EP from SST records. I assume it is out of print, but a trip to a college radio station might prove worthwhile. It was released, i think, to promote the Du's concept album "Zen Arcade." There also exists versions of their cover of "8 miles High" on some live bootlegs available at your local record stores that carry such items. Another rare Husker Du cover is the "Mary Tyler Moore" theme song. It is usually found on live bootlegs or b-sides... coupled with "It Makes No Sense at All." On the added side, I have seen Husker Du several times and have had the opportunity to hang with Bob Mould a few times. I must add that he is one hell of a fellow and truly cares about his fans. =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 7 Apr 91 18:07:27 MDT From: John {Doc} Exby Subject: Re: Fluid and Nirvana (not the single) On Thu Apr 4 1991 5:29pm, Robert Vaughn (rob%SNOOPY.MSC.CORNELL.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote: > Subject: "Re: Fluid and Nirvana (not the single)" > > Do you know anything about a planned tour/new record label/whatever? > I believe you mentioned that they had a falling out with the SubPop folks. > What's the poop? > > Rob Vaughn well someone said the fluid did not have a falling out with subpop. this is bull. Straight from fluid lead singer John Robinson they got real tired of subpop promoting seattle and other more 'local' bands, leaving the fluid out to dry. they took a bath on a europe tour and subpop didnt even promote them way over there. They have been pissed at what they call "subpar" records for sometime now. at their last show in denver they announced signing with Rough Trade. they seemed happy about it. Another fluid show tues and wed in Boulder! They'll be fun and loud as usual. I'll be there. No news of any tour or new releases although i have heard 4 new songs they plan to put out next time... (Notice: YEAH! Did not use the word 'grunge' in this entire mesg!) ..................................... just throw it away -=====- -=====- -=- John Exby (guest) -=- - grubin@tramp.Colorado.EDU - =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 00:17:19 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Sonic Youth/Neil Young (fwd) Forwarded message: >From bobc@unssun.nevada.edu Sun Apr 7 19:42:46 1991 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 91 16:04:05 PDT From: bobc@unssun.nevada.edu (Robert Conrad) Message-Id: <9104072304.AA06461@unssun.nevada.punk-list@cs.tut.fi> To: punk-list@cs.tut.fi Subject: Sonic Youth/Neil Young Cc: bobc@unssun.nevada.edu Hi, Here's my biased review of the Neil Young/Sonic Youth concert Fri. April 5 at Reno's Lawlor Events Center: I arrived about 20 min. late to the 7:30 show and got to see the last half of the first band's last tune...I don't even know who they were, but they must have only played for about 25 min. at the most. Sonic Youth. I've never seen them and don't even know much about them other than the two albums of theirs I have. I had heard really good reports of them playing live ie., "Yeah, they really get down. They put on a great show..." etc. I imagine this is true, but you wouldn't know it from this show. First, they played mostly old stuff--only two or three songs off of "Goo." The sound sucked, but that wasn't their fault. Besides that it wasn't even very loud; I could hold a well-heard conversation with the person next to me... Most importantly, there was assigned seating, and any no one could get out of their chair without the mega-bouncers telling to sit down. That pissed me off the most. The floor sure got a good tapping from my feet; that's about it. I finally moved to a vacant seat where I could see them better. A few punks were sitting on the floor nearby, but not for long. Big-Joe -Bouncer promptly told them to get back in their seats. I don't really blame the band for not getting into it because they playing to a crowd of mostly rednecks. A lot of those fuckheads were rudely yelling to Kim, ingoring anything else going on. I heard that a lot of people went to buy beer during SY, while complaing about how bad they sucked. Typical of Reno. Don't get me wrong, there was quite a few punks there. Probably the high-light of show was at the end when the guitarists were smashing their guitars on the stage, making as much noise as possible, and one of them jumped into the "crowd" and said hi to the punks by smashing his guitar on the floor and letting us pick up the pieces. Of course the rest of the crowd didn't understand--they booed afterwards. SY was cool but they were playing to the wrong crowd. I have nothing against them touring with Neil, but the results basically suck. One last note: I don't know if this was coincidence or what, but in between songs a tape of 7 Seconds' "We're Gonna Fight" (the drum machine version on an old BYO comp.--I think) came on. Interesting. Neil Young. Sucked. As the lights dimmed a tape of J. Hendrix's "National Anthem" played while an old farmer looking guy dragged an oversized microphone on the stage. He lifted it up like the soldiers at Iwo Jima (sp?) and tied a yellow ribbon around it. How fucking original. The yellow ribbon bit really seemed to contradict the giant peace symbol backdrop, *I* think. Neil began with one of his old-time hits(?). Then he played a fucked up version of a Bob Dylan song. (My brother later commented to me, with *heavy* sarcasm, "Yeah, Come ON guy! Get a LIFE!") We left during the third tune. I just can't get into Neil's music. I appreciate his sound--heavy guitar with lots of distortion--but he's just really boring. The drunken rednecks liked him though. I was glad to see SY, but I don't think they should be on this tour. The show was not worth $22. I went home and watched the exorcism on 20/20 and found that to be more entertaining. bye, -bob bobc@unssun.nevada.edu Sorry about the many typos! -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 11:01:36 -0400 From: Gordon Lee Subject: Re: Motorhead and Re: Grunge spewing... From: Ron Rader Subject: Motorhead and Re: Grunge spewing... Thought I'd take this to the list: I see no mention or discussion of MOTORHEAD on GRUNGE-L. What up? Any band with Lemmy Kilminster automagically becomes grungy. I'll second your recommendations... - GL =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 11:02:24 -0400 From: Gordon Lee Subject: Re: "What other bands sound like ___?" From: Brian Russ Subject: "What other bands sound like ___?" There's been a lot of talk about Dinosaur Jr. -- what do they sound like? Are they based in metal, or just loud r-n-r? more like psychedelic wall o' noise with pop-ish melodies - GL =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 16:10:59 BST From: lawsonj%PROJECT4.COMPUTER-SCIENCE.MANCHESTER.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: UK "Grunge" Have any of you American people heard of any British "grungey" groups-- like Swervedriver, Loop or Teenage Fanclub (maybe)?? -- or noisy stuff like Peaceville records (not my kind of thing though) =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 13:15:12 EDT From: SYSPMZT%GECRDVM1.CRD.GE.COM@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Sonic Youth/Neil Young (fwd) Rob, I had about the same experience at SY you did- bouncers everywhere (we took about 1 minute for my friend to get his ear plugs out of my trunk when a cop started bitching at us, eventually telling us that he could put on a better show at the station if we'd like. Really funny...) I've seen SY at a club before, and that's where they belong. You're right: you need to move when you see them, and going to an arena is kind of like submitting yourself to a temporary jail set up. The sound sucked in Albany, too, so that the melody in their thick sound was lost on the crowd. Pity. The woman and I walked out on Neil Young about 4 songs in: pretty boring, but it's not my kind of thing at all. The symbolism was against the war, not for it, though I too thought the props were kind of bogus. The Dylan tune was "Blowing in the Wind," which is a Dylan protest song, so that's what that was all about. But for $50 bucks (I paid for the woman's ticket too), it was among the biggest wastes of time I can recall in quite a while. Are all arena shows like this? What bullshit... Phil Z =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 14:18:28 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: SY/Neil Young clarification I'd like to point out that the Neil Young/Sonic Youth review was not written by me. I simply forwarded it from another list I subscribe to. I will be sure to edit the messages and note this in the future. Also, the messages will have a "(fwd)" comment in the subject line. Sorry for any confusion. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 14:47:04 EDT From: Jeff Tucker Subject: Re: Sonic Youth/Neil Young (fwd) yes every arena show i have ever seen has been a total waste (except for a bob dylan show i saw a few years back and a r.e.m. show) i believe that arena shows are part of the downfall of music and i no longer like to con- tribute my financial support to it! viva small shows and small labels. =============================================================================== From: 56 Subject: Re: UK "Grunge" In <9104081536.AA13195@milton.u.washington.edu>, lawsonj%PROJECT4.COMPUTER-SCIENCE.MANCHESTER.AC.UK@uga.cc.uga.edu writes: > > Have any of you American people heard of any British "grungey" groups-- > like Swervedriver, Loop or Teenage Fanclub (maybe)?? > > -- or noisy stuff like Peaceville records (not my kind of thing though) > Yeah! Swervedriver is on the Creation label. There was a brief article on them in Melody Maker (or NME) recently. THey are quite influenced by Dinosaur JR and are very guitar-oriented hard-melodic. I love them! THey have 2 EP CDs out on Creation, which are a bit hard to find in the states, and will be pricy imports. "Rave Down" is their very best song. Teenage Fanclub have a similar sound, compellingly melodic hard pop which grows on you. My Bloody Valentine is another excellent Creation band, who have just released another 4-song CD EP. II II II "DEATH NEEDS TIME II nuit@milton.u.washington.edu II FOR WHAT IT KILLS II P.O. Box 95438, Seattle WA USA II TO GROW IN" II (206) 328-2156 II II =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 9 Apr 91 22:44:00 EST From: BILL TAUB Subject: Re: Sonic Youth/Neil Young (fwd) I firmly believe everyone is entitled to express their opinion. I would now like to express mine. Neil Young is probably one of the most sucessfull and artisticly uncomprimising people involved with Grunge rock. If you left after three songs, I question your openmindedness. The whole concept behind the Ragged Glory is simply that it might not be the most polished act, but that is the whole point. Neil's approach has never been formula... So his results in getting his goal often vary. Also... sound systems have an important role in reproducing Grunge rock. Distortion is hard to amplify without compromising the music. Many concert promotors and tour producers do no accept the belief that at $22 should buy a good seat at a good sounding concert. This again is not the fault of Young. Everyone has a budget. When Young played montreal he had no such problems. Maybe the concert in your area sucked simply because of the arena's acoustics. Ear plugs help reduce the echoes found in many arenas. I suggest looking at Young's work more openmindedly... you might discover the ragged glory you are missing. =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 10 Apr 91 10:57:34 EDT From: SYSPMZT%GECRDVM1.CRD.GE.COM@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Sonic Youth/Neil Young (fwd) I didn't realize that I sounded so negative about the Neil Young show, or that I seemed close-minded by leaving. I definitely don't question Young's integrity, and think he's written a lot of great songs and been involved with some of rock's finest. The thing is, we went to a Sonic Youth concert, not a Neil Young show, even if he was the main bill, so leaving Neil Young wasn't a matter of taking offense at his music. For us, it was simply that the show was over. If Sonic Youth hadn't been playing, we wouldn't have been there at all. The other point you mention is the arena, and here at Albany, the promoters definitely didn't care where I sat as long as we paid our $22. For that, we got to sit on the side back, first row, next to an entrance. Most of the show was colored by the actions of a cop who alternated between standing next to the rail in front of me (blocking out the stage at one point), and harrassing concert-goers guilty of the crime of talking to a friend. And all this after being harrassed by a cop at my car. So, I had a shitty time. What we wanted to see was over, and we left. I'm sure the show was fine; my friend who traveled from Syracuse enjoyed both Sonic Youth and Neil Young, and thought we were crazy for leaving. He had a better seat. We found the back seat of the car better. Phil Zampino =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 10 Apr 91 11:28:13 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: SONIC YOUTH @ Wisky A Go-Go (fwd) Forwarded message: This message was forwarded from the nm-list. It was written by Ethan Port, and forwarded by Rob Vaughn. >From nm-list-sender@beach.cis.ufl.edu Tue Apr 9 18:25:20 1991 >From: eport%mtha.usc.edu@usc.edu (Ethan Port) >Message-Id: <9104081920.AA14982@mtha.usc.edu> >Subject: SONIC YOUTH @ Wisky A Go-Go >To: nm-list@BEACH.cis.ufl.edu >Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 12:20:16 PDT >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > >Saw Sonic Youth at the Wisky last Thursday April 4th. Neil Young >cancelled his L.A. shows so they picked up these shows. Also heard an >unconfirmed rumor that they played the next night at Raji's...a very >small (200 capacity?) club in Hollywood. > >Anyway, SY were really good...it was a great location for them. I saw a >lot of old time punkers in the pit (they've all gained a few pounds and >lost some hair since the old Starwood/Anti-Club days!) > >SY played a mixture of tunes..about half newer and half Evol/Bad Moon Rising >days. I like the older material better, in general. > >Here's my own personal analysis of the show: I really like SY a lot, but >since I've been friends with them for a long time I have a hard time >being objective. The shows I've seen before were much more intense >than this show (We saw the 2nd late show, so maybe they burned out.) When >they played at the Roxy (a similar sized venue) on the Daydream Nation tour a >few years back I liked 'em a lot more. They were not Captivating. And >they were NOWHERE near as good as their leagendary SCREAM show during the >Sister tour. They were transcendental then, and were also god like in >the 84/85 days. For me they seem to have lost their edge...but since I >haven't seen very many of their shows in the last 3 years or so, I might >be seeing them on off nights. For someone who has never seen SY, I think >they would still find them very interesting and innovative. They are all >very intelligent people and very aware of what they are doing, for better >or worse. So I'm just waiting to see how they develope. I wouldn't call >them lame quite yet, but I still don't think they are living up to their >full potential. I'd be interested in hearing what other people think. For me, >I've seen so many REALLY INTENSE and GOOD shows to counter the 99% if >'Not quite there', 'actually kinda boring' drool I'm presented with lately >that I may be just a bit too critical. > >(One man's opinion) > >As a reference, I thought the last few Fugazi shows were really intense and >interesting live performances. > >============================================================================ > > \ ----- > \ / X \___ > | \ / \==== > | / |\/\/\/\/\/ > | \ |__/\/\/\ > | / \ Flipper! / >Ethan Port |/ \__________ / > > >USCnet: eport@mtha.usc.edu > =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 12:08:44 BST From: lawsonj%PROJECT4.COMPUTER-SCIENCE.MANCHESTER.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Loop So no-one in America has heard of Loop???? I suppose they're a bit obscure, but if you find some on import buy it! (especially Arclite 12in or Fade Out LP). They're sort-of ambient-ish sometimes and noisy at others, with **lots** of effects pedals. Their early stuff is a bit like Spacemen 3 (Heaven's End, The World in your Eyes). Also, does anyone have the Glitterhouse boxed set (GR100) in America, or was it only a Glitterhouse Europe release? (damn good, anyway..) Luv'n'kisses to everyone in Grungeland, JULIAN! (lawsonj@uk.ac.man.cs.p4) =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 12:16:39 PDT From: 56 Subject: Re: Loop I love Loop! They are actually quite influenced by Can and noise groups like 23 Skidoo, but fall more under the grunge catagory. THey use a lot of effects to creat swirling guitar noise, like the Spacement or Hypnotics. I received a cassette from a friend in England with what I think is their most excellent song, "Straight to the Heart" and I can't find this song on any of their releases in the US. Does anyone know where I can find this song on CD or vinyl? II II II "DEATH NEEDS TIME II nuit@milton.u.washington.edu II FOR WHAT IT KILLS II P.O. Box 95438, Seattle WA USA II TO GROW IN" II (206) 328-2156 II II =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 15:41:17 EDT From: Ernest Crvich Subject: bands, topics, etc. I am new here and have only received one message so far... still wondering exactly what form of music is being referred to. I listen to what I call thrash metal, speed metal, and death metal, some bands which are occasionally labelled as grunge metal (bands like Obituary, Morbid Angel, Deicide, etc.). If this is not the topic of this list, does anyone know of another list that discusses bands of the above nature ? Thanks for any help/info/verbal abuse, Ernest Crvich Bitnet : GENERAL@VTVM1 Internet : GENERAL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 16:09:01 EDT From: WALTERS.C.E%P9955.WLU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: re: Grunge spewing... This truly a shock to me that many would not Jane's Addiction grunge Anyone who would think this has obviously not listened to the live album that Triple X released for JA several years ago. Three songs in particular stand out as being most definitly grunge. "Trip Away", "Chip Away" and "Whores" all three of these songs are very loud and have very harsh beat to them that any true hardcore fan will love to start stage diving too almost immediately unpon hearing. Another band that I have yet to read anything about is Lard. Biafra new project. Definitely a winner if you see the album pick it up. Two other key bands: Revolting Cocks and Ministry both the work of Al(Alien) Jerguson. These two bands can get any person in the world slamming against the wall. Beers,steers,and queers by REvolting Cockcs is a wiinner, and the best Ministry album is Land of Rape and Honey which is getting hard to gind but if you see it pick it up. The Mind is a terrible thing to taste is another great album buy it. Charles stuck in Terminal Preppieland Washington and Lee Unioversity in VA =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 16:04:18 EST From: Subject: Re: Loop well, if you put it that way, yeah, i've heard of loop. i've even got a poster of theirs on my wall. but i didn't like _gilded eternity_ all that much. noisy and stuff, but it just doesn't seem to click... there was a live album right? woj =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 17:58:35 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: steel pole back rub (fwd) Forwarded message: >From nm-list-sender@beach.cis.ufl.edu Thu Apr 11 11:04:22 1991 >From: Dave Lechtenberg >Subject: steel pole back rub >To: new music mail >Date: Wed, 10 Apr 91 10:32:04 MDT >Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.3] > >From: Jens Alfke > >> * STEEL POLE BATHTUB >> Definitely an early-Sonic-Youth kinda sound (one of the two songs by them I've >> heard is even a cover of "I Dreamed I Dream") but that happens to be a sound I >> like a lot. > >I don't know about the Sonic Youth comparison. I thought they fit more >into the Seattle grunge sound. At their best, they have the fierce pounding >and ugliness of White Zombies' Soul Crusher. Their Butterfly Love album >was popular on KCSU a couple of years back. > >-Dave =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 12 Apr 91 21:52:20 MDT From: "J. Exby" Subject: Re: bands, topics, etc. On Thu Apr 11 1991 3:41pm, Ernest Crvich (GENERAL%VTVM1.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote: > Subject: "bands, topics, etc." > I am new here and have only received one message so far... still wondering > exactly what form of music is being referred to. I listen to what I > call thrash metal, speed metal, and death metal, some bands which are > occasionally labelled as grunge metal (bands like Obituary, Morbid Angel, > Deicide, etc.). If this is not the topic of this list, does anyone know > of another list that discusses bands of the above nature ? > Thanks for any help/info/verbal abuse, > > Ernest Crvich > Bitnet : GENERAL@VTVM1 > Internet : GENERAL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU hurm. here we go again. let's roll out those definitions again. btw, Godflesh/NapalmDeath coming to denver apr.27! cannot wait for Godflesh to pound me at this show. ..................................... harder, faster, louder -=====- -=====- -=- John Exby (guest) -=- - grubin@tramp.Colorado.EDU - =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 14 Apr 91 22:14:39 EDT From: andrew bowser Subject: Re: "What other bands sound like ___?" my band. LUCKY. At least we've been compared to THEM. Keep pestering me and I'll send you a single when it comes out Andy B\ =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 15 Apr 91 10:14:57 EDT From: Ron Rader Subject: Neil Young >From: BILL TAUB > Neil Young is probably one of the most sucessfull and artisticly >uncomprimising people involved with Grunge rock. If you left after three >songs, I question your openmindedness. Hear fucking hear! I've always loved Neil, since I was a wee tot listening to 'Heart Of Gold' and other early tunes on the radio (yes, they used to play really good rock on AM radio circa 1969). Neil earns my continuing respect with every album, even the ones I don't really care for (Trans comes to mind). He changes genres, musicians, intent with regularity, but never NEVER compromises the essential NY integrity that always brings me back. He does whatever moves him and his fellow musicians, and screw the critics and fairweather Top 40 'fans.' Taunts, ridicule, and scorn often spew forth from many stupid people with every new NY release, but Neil doesn't care. He just pisses the same idiots off with the next album. Neil doesn't try to be the 'best' guitarist or singer, he just plays, and those of us who like his music always seem to appreciate it. Neil is probably the only old guard 60's bigtime musician who pays new rock influences more than lip service. He'll put Social Distortion and Sonic Youth on his tour, for crissakes! The result is questionable, but admirable just the same. I saw the Chapel Hill, NC show and I was very moved, even considering the lame acoustics, large arena, and weird crowd mix (fat rednecks, old hippies, and wannabe punks). So here's one big affirmation from a NY fan... Rock on! __ ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** =============================================================================== From: lawsonj%PROJECT4.COMPUTER-SCIENCE.MANCHESTER.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Loop (mostly) Erm.. live album?? I've not heard of it but I'll check with my knowledgable friends. Their album list as far as I know is: HEAVEN'S END can't remember any tracks at all ETERNAL (the singles) with: Collision, Thief of Fire, Thief (Motherfucker), Black Sun, Circle Grave, Mother Sky THE WORLD IN YOUR EYES (the Spacemenish one) Spinning, Brittle Head Girl, 16 Dreams, Head On, Burning World, Skyrocket USA and 2 others I can't remember FADE OUT (my fave) Black Sun, Fever Knife, This Is Where You End, Torched (excellent), Pulse, Fade Out, A Vision Stain, Got To Get It Over ARCLITE 12in (an excellent intro to Loop) Arclite( Sonar), Arclite (Radar), Sunburst A GILDED ETERNITY (which most people I know hate) Vapour, Afterglow (which I love), The Nail Will Burn, Blood, From Centre To Wave, (Something else), Be Here Now The singles are (I think): Everything on Eternal, 16 Dreams, Arclite, From Centre to Wave The band toured last December, which was (apparently) their final tour, and are now going in to solo projects. I've seen them 3 times. They do pretty well live except they're very stroppy gits -- they don't like people who headbang down the front etc. Their last show was dead dead good (but not many people there). ... so there! I heard a Poster Children tape yesterday, and I wasn't very impressed. Greg Dulli of the Afghan Whigs recommended the PCs and Didjits to me, so I'd been trying to get some for a while. Does anyone have a list of Unsane's releases? They're absolutely impossible to find over here. =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Apr 91 10:19:26 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Screaming Trees info (fwd) Forwarded message: >From nm-list-sender@beach.cis.ufl.edu Mon Apr 15 22:23:20 1991 >Errors-To: nm-list-sender@beach.cis.ufl.edu >Sender: nm-list-sender@beach.cis.ufl.edu >Precedence: bulk >Date: Mon, 15 Apr 91 14:20:10 GMT >Message-Id: <9104151420.AA00914@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov> >From: gingrich@profsc.fsl.noaa.gov >To: nmlist@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov >Subject: Screaming Trees info > > >The Screaming Trees totalled one of their two vans last Friday while >wending their way through a Wyoming snowstorm trying to get to their >Saturday night show in Boulder. The lead singer had some minor injuries >and they were shook up enuf to cancel their show. It's not supposed to >affect the rest of their tour. They've rescheduled for the Gothic in Denver >sometime in June. Should have stopped snowing by then... > >- Barry L. > gingrich@fsl.noaa.gov > > "Mostly the facts, ma'am." =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Apr 91 14:39:00 CST From: "The mirror collapses but the image may not..." Subject: screaming trees... the trees also cancelled their show in Omaha on monday night, and das damen didn't show up, either. sucks, doesn't it? dave. =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Apr 91 21:20:09 EDT From: andrew bowser Subject: Re: screaming trees... Wow--first someone plows into Surgery's van, now the Screaming Trees wreck theirs--that's PUNK ROCK! Destruction and all. You guys would have been disappointed by the new Screamer's stuff. None of it is, IMO, the slightest bit engaging. Nothing approaching the brilliance of "ORange Airplane". So unless you're diehard fans, I wouldn't lose sleep over missing them. Didn't disaster befall another grunge-type band recently? Andy B =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Apr 91 21:59:23 EDT From: andrew bowser Subject: News/Review: Cows/RR Jerk/Unsane/Matador Records Hello all, COWS/RAILROAD JERK/ZEN GUERRILLA, April 12, Khyber Pass Pub, Philadelphia COWS: Weren't so much of a show as an experience. For those of you unfamiliar, imagine those four wierd guys you knew in high school that were in Future Farmers of America. Now imagine they secretly listened to punk rock (and not so secretly watched too much pro wrestling)...Surprise! Here they are and they've formed a band. Retarded Cow-Grunge (I assure you I mean "retarded" in the most laudatory sense possible! Don't get yr dander up...) which was energetically received by the normally-docile Philly over 21 audience. Not so much "slamming" or "moshing", but kind of...falling over each other in an ecstatic barnyard frenzy. It's grunge, definitely, but music? Who cares! Their "vocalist" toots a bugle and hog-called his way thru some new stuff. Watch for album "PEACETIKA", available at shows, soon at stores. RR JERK: Don't let the record fool you, as it did me--the live show will floor you. Kind of a disjointed Boss Hog/Gene Vincent hybrid. The singer/guitarist looks like the kind of guy who might have been in a rockabilly band back around '85...wait, I don't want to pigeonhole these guys that blatantly. Their music resists comparison, though influences are detectable. Great songs that I passed by on the LP are "Railroad Jerk" and "Younger than You". The guitar guy told some "woman jokes", which weren't quite as offensive as they would have been if he was blatantly misogynistic about it; they were kind of funny in their unbelievability...I dunno. Stop me. ZEN GUERRILLA: These guys are native to the area and are supposedly soon to release an LP (that's right, cheeseball, VINYL! Live with it!) locally. Grungy without being like J. Mascis, funky without the usual "funk-rock" influences, psychedelic without being Greatful Dead drones. They've gone from my least fave local band to my most fave. I hope you get to hear them. OTHER ----- I bugged the drummer from RR Jerk about Matador records: UNSANE re-recorded their album material for the aborted Circuit Records project, and it should be out forthrightly...YEP!!!! Of course, don't forget New York Ear and Eye Control, Matador's somewhat awaited compilation, was supposed to be out in JULY of 1990. He assured me that EAR AND EYE would really be out soon, no foolin', and they had pushed back the release of the RR JERK single to do it. COP SHOOT COP is now on Matador. I can't remember anything else. I got drunk. The end. I'd like to see more news and reviews on the list. Hopefully it'll make for some interesting reading. In solidarity, Andy B. =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 18 Apr 91 16:20:05 +0300 From: t Viikari Subject: Husker Du/Amusement I was just wondering if some of you could estimate the value of Husker Du's 1st 7" 'Amusement'... Any clue? Don't wanna sell it tho, t < t (Viikari) < tv87098@cs.tut.fi > I was born on the day > < Onkiniemenk. 6B16 < tel: +358-21-373898 > Everything became nothing. > < 33230 Tampere < fax: +358-31-432642 < I will die on the day > < FINLAND < KEEP IN TOUCH, PUNK! < Nothing becomes everything. > =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 18 Apr 91 14:21:51 BST From: lawsonj%PROJECT4.COMPUTER-SCIENCE.MANCHESTER.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Wench Has anybody ever seen Wench play? are they any good? (I had a press release from SubPop UK telling me to go see them -- is it worth it?) thanks, Julian (lawsonj@uk.ac.man.cs.p4) =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 18 Apr 91 12:32:40 EDT From: SYSPMZT%GECRDVM1.CRD.GE.COM@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Swedish Grunge Destructo Noise !!?? I just got two 7"-ers from a Swedish label, one a band named Queeweed, and the other Brain Bombs. Both are mega-distortion, heavy, almsot Big Blackish pieces of sludge. Really turned me on; they're well recorded, and both are one sided 7"'s, the second side being blank. Anyone heard of these bands, or know anything about a Swedish noise scene worth pursuing? Thanks, Phil Z =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 18 Apr 91 18:21:47 EDT From: William Spencer Subject: BULLHEAD The new Melvins is here. BULLHEAD. It's good. But get _OZMA_ first. The new one's not as crushing heavy. Some of you grunge heads may like it better though. THere's a different flavor of angst. But it's not as rockin' and the bass has lost its punch in favor of a fuzzier sound. Also there's a Melvins 7" 45 rpm that includes "Anal Satan" which is hilarious and sounds almost like the Residents. >From the Richmond (VA) Times-Dispatch: The Melvins are heavy. Not heavy metal, just HEAVY -- as in a guitar that's so fuzzed up that the notes kind of sizzle in your ears, beautifully. The spare, chugging intensity of this three-piece Seattle [wrong] noise unit continues to amaze. The new album, "Bullhead" (Boner BR25-2), shows guitarist (appropriately named) Buzz and crew haven't let up on the aural assault. Dale, "drum player," continues to slug away at his tom toms (no snare drum here [not entirely correct]) through eight slithering gems with titles like "anaconda," "Cow," and "If I had an Exorcism." It's mood music for monsters, and belongs on your shelf right beside "Gluey Porch Treatments" and "Ozma." --Bill Pahnelas -- Bill Spencer =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 19 Apr 91 09:12:32 CDT From: akolman%MNSMC1.MNSMC.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Husker/Amusement Never heard of that one, but I have a copy of 'Everything Falls Apart,' which I don't really see around that often. Does anyone have 'Everything Falls..' on disc? heh BLx - Pronounced "Blue," the x is silent, the u is non-existent. Saint Mary's College #789 CS Major, Non-denture wearer 700 Terrace Heights Winona, MN 55987-1399 Veritas in Musica =============================================================================== From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (jon hilgreen) Subject: Totally unrelated (Was: Re: Husker/Amusement) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 91 14:56:17 EDT > Winona, MN 55987-1399 > Wow! I knew I liked her, and she was a cool actress, but a physical proof of people living in an area (aka a city, town, or burg) named after Winona Ryder! Jon --hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm uunet!ub!hilgreen -- My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. =============================================================================== Date: Sat, 20 Apr 91 02:52:00 EST From: BILL TAUB Subject: Re: Sonic Youth/Neil Young (fwd) It is truly incredible what people get for their ticket money. I looked up "Concert Promoter" in the dictionary. It said, "see scumbag." Why don't sharks eat promoters? Professional courtesy. =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 22 Apr 91 15:58:37 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: SubPop discography Howdy fellow grunge-meisters, I am getting ready to start compiling a complete SubPop discography any day now. Although I've been buying SubPop stuff since release 12 or so, I haven't kept any of the old catalogs (gave them away, mostly). If anyone would be willing to field questions concerning the entries I don't have, or would be willing to help in any other way, please contact me. Thanks muchly. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.BITNET =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 22 Apr 91 22:38:51 MDT From: "J. 'Doc' Exby" Subject: party sorry i cant make that huge grunge-bash. do be sure to tell us who picked out the worst CDs to play on the evening eh? Also : Supposedly a didjits (live) bootleg release may exist. anyone sees it, don't think, just buy me a copy! will pay cash $ plus some. Also a new release is supposed to be out in may now? no details from the champaign trio as of yet..... //john =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 24 Apr 91 11:07:04 PDT From: 56 Subject: Re: SubPop discography Robert, As a Seattle resident and "friend of those involved" I would be happy to answer any trickier questions you may have. II II II "DEATH NEEDS TIME II nuit@milton.u.washington.edu II FOR WHAT IT KILLS II P.O. Box 95438, Seattle WA USA II TO GROW IN" II (206) 328-2156 II II =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 25 Apr 91 12:18:21 BST From: lawsonj%PROJECT4.COMPUTER-SCIENCE.MANCHESTER.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Wench >>I am friends with Yana the lead singer I have their tape and quite enjoy it. >>Yana is pretty hot, I'd go just to see her! She is/was a publisist for Noise >>records. I met het at a SOundgarden show. She is awsome. Go Go Go! Yeah... I just got sent their LP and press photos... see what you mean. Don't like the music too much but what the hell? Julian =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 29 Apr 91 16:28:25 EDT From: andrew bowser Subject: Sebadoh, Jesus Lizard coming! Wow. Really Weird Developments Dept.: SEBADOH (featuring that guy from Dino Jr) are going to be playing at friend's house here in Newark, DE tomorrow night. It seems their manager cancelled 2 New England dates bcuz they thought they could get on the bill with JESUS LIZARD, who are playing with locals CARNAL GHIA and RAYMOND LISTEN Wed. night. Signals got crossed, people got pissed, and finally someone offered to let them play and put them up and give 'em various free intoxicants... So, um, publicity's supposed to be by word of mouth, but if anybody's around here and interested, mail me SOON and I'll give you details. If you want, just call 302-368-5036. Not collect, cheeseball. Who woulda thot it? Sebadoh in our little town on a Tues. night. And Jesus Lizard the next night. =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 30 Apr 91 17:41:33 -0700 From: Steve Skrzyniarz Subject: re: seattle As far as I'm concerned, the best "Seattle" acts these days don't live in Seattle. The thrill of bands like TAD and Mudhoney has [at long last] died down to a great extent, and no one is rushing in to replace them as the kings of Seattle. My favorite Washington state bands continue to be Seaweed [Tacoma] (who have three singles out and an upcoming EP on SubPop), Nirvana [Olympia] (whose Geffen release should be out soon), Beat Happening [Olympia] (long time faves of mine), Fitz of Depression [Olympia] & Big Satan INC [Seattle] (I'm putting out singles by these two bands, I guess I have to like them :).. As far as new stuff from Seattle, I like the new Christ on a Crutch studio stuff (due to be released on New Red Archives) and the new Derelicts stuff from Egg studios (probably their SubPop LP), but IMHO most of the current Seattle bands blow big time. Oh, it goes without saying that Poison Idea [Portland] are incredible. Somebody please shoot Soundgarden and blow up CZ records -- put us all out of our grief. Scruz =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 1 May 91 21:34:21 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Aimlessly wandering the silence... Hi folks, Here's a bunch o' bits o' pieces I've been meaning to field/respond/blab about. Hope it sparks some comments. Jeff Tucker laments: >yes every arena show i have ever seen has been a total waste (except for a >bob dylan show i saw a few years back and a r.e.m. show) i believe that >arena shows are part of the downfall of music and i no longer like to con- >tribute my financial support to it! viva small shows and small labels. Ditto here. Seeing a band in a club or other small venue just can't be beat, for the price, the sound, or anything else. There's only a couple of bands I would consider seeing anywhere: Sonic Youth, Jesus & Mary Chain, Dinosaur Jr., R.E.M., The Pixies (who watched the opening band from within the audience at The Spectrum in Montreal), and just about any Seattle band. Everyone's all psyched about this Lollapolooza Festival this summer. Why? Our friend Mr. 56 exclaims: >Yeah! Swervedriver is on the Creation label. There was a brief article >on them in Melody Maker (or NME) recently. THey are quite influenced >by Dinosaur JR and are very guitar-oriented hard-melodic. I love them! Okay, is there any place I can get Creation stuff mail order? Does Creation do mail order? Seems like there's at least two or three bands on the label worth checking out, but I can't seem to find anything anywhere. Help help help help help! >Teenage Fanclub have a similar sound, compellingly melodic hard pop >which grows on you. My Bloody Valentine is another excellent Creation >band, who have just released another 4-song CD EP. MBV's EP is _Tremolo_. Very interesting. Don't know if I like it yet. The title is very appropriate. I hope this assessment of Teenage Fanclub is right 'cause I can't figure out why everyone loves them so (yet). I'm working on it. Phil Z' muses: >[...stuff about Sonic Youth in a big arena deleted] >But for $50 bucks (I paid for the woman's ticket too), it was among the >biggest wastes of time I can recall in quite a while. Are all arena shows >like this? What bullshit... Yeah, I'd have to say that they probably are. I've been seeing a couple of local bands in small bars and bigger bands at local colleges, and I'd much rather pay $5 to see someone there who might not be as popular than I would $25 to see Sonic Youth amongst a crowd anyday. And I'm a huge Sonic Youth fan. Andrew Bowser mon saith: >Wow--first someone plows into Surgery's van, now the Screaming Trees wreck >theirs--that's PUNK ROCK! Destruction and all. You guys would have been >disappointed by the new Screamer's stuff. None of it is, IMO, the slightest >bit engaging. Nothing approaching the brilliance of "ORange Airplane". >So unless you're diehard fans, I wouldn't lose sleep over missing them. Methinks nature's giving us a hint: don't tour in a van. Buy a bus. Ya' know, I didn't care for the Screaming Trees newest all that much the first couple of times I listened to it, but like many albums it's grown (groan?) on me quite a bit. Lacks the bite of the earlier stuff but the production's much better. Doesn't touch their SubPop double-7" though (my personal fave). Anyone seen 'em on this tour? Review please? Ron Rader says: Nothing recently. So what's up folks? I feel pretty stupid talking to myself (so what's new?) I'll write up some new album reviews tonight if I can and let you suffer through them. That's what you get for being quiet. Phht! Rob =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 1 May 91 22:04:27 EDT From: Robert Vaughn I've finished the first draft of the previously mentioned SubPop discography (a guide to weenie-wannabe-ism). I'm missing a bunch of entries due to my haste in throwing out old catalogs, but I've had a kind offer from nuit@washington for help, so hopefully this can be fixed. If anyone has any info on SP1 through SP9 I'd be forever in your debt. Anyway, consider this an offer to preview version 0.9. Send me mail with your return address and I'll send you a copy. Be a pal and send me corrections, additions, comments. I'll keep a list and make sure you all get the first "real" revision when I'm done. Deal? Deal. Working on a Vital Music Records discog too. I'll let you know when it's presentable. Rob Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 1 May 91 22:05:15 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Rob's Raving and Ranting Reviews Recent purchase reviews: I haven't bought tons of stuff lately that falls both-feet into the grunge catagory, so excuse me if I wander a bit. Fastbacks "Very, very powerful motor" LP [Popllama] --------------------------------------------------- I have a couple of Fastbacks products but have yet to be impressed by any of them as much as I was by their song on the SubPop 200 compilation. This is no exception. Good moments, bad moments, and what amounts to "guest" appearances by Lulu. As much as I want to really like these guys (they've been at it for years they claim) there's not enough to hold my grungy attentions. "Anthrax meets Joan Jett meets Ramones" claims the Popllama catalog but I think both Joeys have gone hoarse, leaving just a bit too much Joan for my liking. Definitely popish, boppy, kinda fun, lotsa energy, but just not my cup o' Tang, I guess. Rob gives this 0.5 thumbs up for persistance. Velvet Monkeys 7" [SubPop singles club] --------------------------------------- Covers of "Rock The Nation" and "Why Don't We Do It In The Road?" Fairly inoculous, I guess. Bass player on the back looks like Thurston Moore. Fun to play but basically standard guitar-grunge covers with no real unique flavor. Rob gives this no thumbs. Unrest 7" [SubPop singles club] ------------------------------- "deaf" & "efo" b/w "sex machine" & "when it all comes down". Has an address listed as Washington D.C. which I didn't know they were from. Definitely worth seeing live, I bet. Excellent sleeve, and although the music is similar and not as grungy as the Monkey's, this earns far more points for originality. Definitely not for the hard rocking types. Rob gives this one thumb up. Girl Trouble "Thrillsphere" LP [Popllama] ----------------------------------------- I've got GT's first album and a single, and they're pretty good. Heard some good things about this so I picked it up. Good advice. Great rock 'n' roll band, with enough from the '60's and the '90's to keep people happy. Each album gets better and better. Their sound is kinda sparse, a bit twanngy, a bit slurred. If you liked their early stuff, I'd highly recommend you grab this. If you haven't heard of them, well, I dunno, no easy comparison comes to mind. They're far from unique yet it's hard to describe their sound without making it sound lousy, which it's anything but. Elvis is there, but so's Mudhoney. Rob gives this two thumbs up. Reverb Motherfuckers "LSD-25" 7" [Vital Music Records] ------------------------------------------------------ Pretty noisy but not as grungy as expected. Fun vocals and snippets. Really neat record sleeve. The "reverb" in the name is apt, although not to the point of being annoying. Their rythym is somewhat slow, and their lyrics are silly. I'd buy it again if I had the choice. Rob gives this 1.5 thumbs up. No thumbs down this time. Would I waste my time reviewing stinkers? You betcha! Other purchases not grungy enough to review but high on my playlist: Ride "Nowhere", My Bloody Valentine "Tremolo", The Jesus & Mary Chain "Rollercoaster". I should have a package from SubPop arriving any day now (fingers crossed) so I'll bore you all to tears when that comes. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 1 May 91 23:19:52 -0700 From: Gregory James Barish Subject: two questions from a neophyte Hey there. I'm new, I'm in Los Angeles, I'm not happy about it, and (most of all) I am very new to grunge (primarily because it's hard to get info on the subject - LA and the concept of underground are like oil and water). But I have questions that I hope someone will be able to enlighten me on... 1. I like the Nirvana LP. What's happening with them? Last I heard was that Jason Everman went to Soundgarden. So is the band coming out with new stuff? (I have BLEACH and SUB POP 200) 2. Why does everyone hate Soundgarden? Is it cause they left SubPop? I really think they're creative, although I know they tend to rip off some Zep stuff, but...have they committed any haneous (sp?) crimes I should know about? And another thing...What's the point of the song Nazi Driver? - it's been bugging me. (NOTE: Just got the new LA WEEKLY - way artsy fartsy - there's an article on "asshole-rock" where they proclaim that Soundgarden is the worst band in the world). Then again, we're dealing with LA.... thanks.greg p60axxx@pic.ucla.edu `p =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 2 May 91 13:01:51 BST From: lawsonj%PROJECT4.COMPUTER-SCIENCE.MANCHESTER.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Creation Erm..if anyone wants any Creation stuff they can send me a tape (or a cheque [thats "check" to you American guys]) and somethig for postage and I'll see what I can do. The records to look out for are: Teenage Fanclub ( They've only just signed - their LP "A Catholic Education" was on something else (i forget what) and their singles are pretty rare (esp. "The Ballad of John and Yoko" which was deleted after one day) My Bloody Valentine Their grungiest stuff is ""Isn't Anything" LP, You Make Me Realise" EP, "Feed Me With Your Kiss EP" -- their stuff for the last 1.5 years is more sorta ambient (I dont like it too much) Ride Stunningly good guitar pop -- you guys might like "Drive Blind" on the Play EP. Swervedriver A bit of Dinosaur in here I guess, its good stuff tho. EPS "Son of MUstang FOrd" and "Ravedown" (most of their songs are about car crashes tho'). New EP out soon and they're recording an EP (I'm trying to fix a gig for them in Sept). Cranes (on Dedicated Records) These are a fairly wierd group with a very wierd singer - try "Inescapable" EP or (shit whats that other one with the red cover?) If anyone wants some stuff taped (which I naturally won't do since its illegal) then give me a bell.. Julian (lawsonj@uk.ac.man.cs.p4) See you... oh and apologies for the spelling but I got 2 deadlines today & tomorrow =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 2 May 91 09:58:51 EDT From: Ron Rader Subject: Random Discourse Robert Vaughn sez: > Ron Rader says: > > Nothing recently. Yeah, well, pffft! Just not my wordy self lately. I know, it's strange, but I'm sure you're all glad to be free of my constant pontificating. Tough luck, though, there's grist in the millstones of my opinions yet. But now I have a question for you oh-so-cool grungy in-crowd folks. A couple of nights ago, the Duke college station played a bunch of Dinosaur Jr., but didn't identify any of the songs or albums. So how about posting a review of D.Jr's releases for us sorry SOBs who don't have any but want to get some soon? Robert? Jon? Also, there was this one song which I've heard a lot lately. Female singer, sounds a lot like a beach tune, uses her voice to accentuate the guitar solos. Is this Firehouse? Am I just clueless or what? I like the tune... Anyone got the newest Motorhead? Heard half of a song off 1916, sounded quite killer, but not enough to base an opinion on. Should I just say 'screw it,' buy the album and post a review? 'Til later, kiddies... -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 2 May 91 10:21:15 EDT From: Ron Rader Subject: A babe in the woods of LA! > Hey there. I'm new, I'm in Los Angeles, I'm not happy about > it, and (most of all) I am very new to grunge (primarily > because it's hard to get info on the subject - LA and the > concept of underground are like oil and water). Now Greg, you're slamming my hometown here. Let's be civil. You'd better stay far away from Hollywood if you want to go underground. The predominance of the music industry in L.A. pretty much demands that 90% of the club circuit is populated with wannabe-metal-Poison clones, all masturbating over the icon of a major label contract. No, I'm not proud of that, but it is the case. However, this is the scene that engendered cool shit like the Doors. Let's not forget Black Flag, the Germs, and all the other seminal hardcore bands that I'm neglecting. In kind-of-recent-history, we have Jane's Addiction. The LA scene can be excellent at times. The south bay has an excellent blues scene, but I won't go into detail on the Grunge list. > (NOTE: Just got the new LA WEEKLY - way artsy fartsy - there's > an article on "asshole-rock" where they proclaim that Soundgarden > is the worst band in the world). Then again, we're dealing > with LA.... The problem with LA as I see it is that you get a primarily transient population there, all trying to break into some 'artsy fartsy' thing, and trying to convince themselves and everyone else how cool and happening they are. I hated it while living there and I hate it now. What the music scene in LA needs is a major enema. Kick the Hollywood buttheads out of town. Go the DIY route. Start a noisy band. Do whatever pumps your 'nads to get something going. Oh yeah, I agree with you, the Weekly is far too artsy for it's own good. Just read it for the club listings. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 2 May 91 09:54:27 -0500 From: Beth Ann Schaefer Subject: Dinosaur Jr. I saw that someone mentioned -Nirvana and Dinosaur- playing together in Sacramento in June?! Do you know of any other Nirvana dates? I'm dying to see them again, but I know here in the Midwest Die Kreuzen is going to be opening for Dinosaur during the last week of May. Also, has anyone picked up the new Didjits release? Seriously great! yummy =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 2 May 91 09:54:06 PDT From: 56 Subject: Screaming Trees Before the van accident, the Screaming Trees played a show here in Seattle at the Backstage. I've seen them many times and have never been that into them except for watching the drummer, Mark Pickerel at that time. Now Danny Peters from Mudhoney is drumming with them, and he is also an awesome drummer to watch, with a smaller, tighter drum sound. Mark Lanegan is no wild man on stage; he just stands and sings with his hair in his face and plucking the mic stand like a bass violin. He does have an amazing voice. The real showman is guitarist Gary Lee, who rolls around on the floor and flails his cute round head! They recently played in Vancouver, and Matt and Steve from Mudhoney were in the audience and decided to join in on stage for a wacky cover of "In and OUt of Grace", sung by Van in Mark Arm's absence. It was wild! The kids jsut loved it, and Steve and Gary were all rolling on the ground wrapped up in cords kicking their legs. II II II "DEATH NEEDS TIME II nuit@milton.u.washington.edu II FOR WHAT IT KILLS II P.O. Box 95438, Seattle WA USA II TO GROW IN" II (206) 328-2156 II II =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 2 May 91 17:28:01 -0600 From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: Rockin' Jon Spews all over the place I see that I'm in a minority, but I thought that *Uncle Anaesthesia* is the best thing they've done in quite a while. The production gave the album a punch that the last few albums definitely lacked. I haven't heard all the early stuff so usual disclaimers and all.... Also real good is the Beat Happening/Screaming Trees collaboration on K Records (which is Calvin-from-Beat-Happening's own personal label). soren =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 6 May 91 13:58:58 -0600 From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: End of semester stuff Who or what are Temple of the Dog. I noticed them in your .sig, and it seems like I've seen a copy or two of an album of theirs around... Enquiring minds need to know... soren =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 6 May 91 18:06:49 EDT From: andrew bowser Subject: Re: End of semester stuff TEMPLE OF THE DOG: zzzzzzzzzzz Andy B =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 7 May 91 16:17:13 PDT From: 56 Subject: Temple of the Dog is a record/group recently released with Chris Cornell from Soundarden on vocals, Matt Cameron from Soundgarden on drums, Stone Gossard from MOther Love Bone, Green River, Mooky Blaylock on guitar, and Jeff Ament from the same on bass. It is dedicated to Andy Wood, who was the singer of Mother Love Bone who died on a heroin overdose in spring of 1990. They were all close to Andy and have similar musical styles, so they decided to do this. It's that rock kind of thing which I don't particularly groove to, but it's not bad. =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 May 91 15:47:20 -0700 From: Gregory James Barish Subject: nirvana just found out that they will definitely be playing with dinosaur jr at the hollywood palladium on june 14th. no tickets on sale yet, but the local ticketmaster and the palladium and david geffen company have confirmed that the show will take place. anyone want to go? if anyone is interested, i can let you know when tickets go on sale. by the way, david geff compnay says august shall be the release date for their next album and that there is no fan club info yet. later.greg p60axxx@pic.ucla.edu =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 May 91 20:43:41 EDT From: Subject: Re: Temple of the Dog Hey guys, I'm a major fan of Mother Love Bone, Soundgarden, etc. and am eagerly waiting a chance to pick up the Temple of the Dog record, but there's a few other bands I'd like to know about. Who was in Mookie Blaylock other than Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament and did they release anything? Who was in Malfunkshun other than Andrew Wood, and are they on anything else except for the Deep Six compilation? Also if anybody has some Mother Love Bone merchandise, live tapes, photos, or anything like that, I'd be interested. Thanks, Tim "Timothy R. Williams" =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 9 May 91 08:16:08 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Sister Double Happiness at the Cactus Club (forwarded) Forwarded message: >From M.MINORTHREAT@Macbeth.Stanford.EDU Thu May 9 01:30:23 1991 Date: Wed 8 May 91 22:16:54-PDT From: Thing Of Kumar Subject: Sister Double Happiness at the Cactus Club To: punk-list@cs.tut.fi Message-Id: <12683895131.10.M.MINORTHREAT@Macbeth.Stanford.EDU> Well, I won tickets to this show from KZSU Stanford Radio - actually it was Graham (lint - he posts very esoteric record reviews here from time to time) who gave them to me, which smacks a little of nepotism. No matter - I was the only taker. First thing that happens is we find that the station FORGETS TO TELL THEM WE'RE COMING. This sucked, we missed the opening band, we had to quest for a pay phone in darkest San Jose. Well, we finally reached someone and she got us in. So we go inside, me and my drummer, and catch the second opening band, the Frontier Fucking Wives. They were definitely country-"punk". I was very intrigued, though, because they were so obviously local and the lead singer looked and even SOUNDED a lot like the late D. Boon, singer/guitarist for the best band of all time (IMHO), the Minutemen. So picture D. Boon singing for a loud country band. It kinda sounded like a bit different Drivin' and Cryin', actch. Harmless, but good fun. Sister Double Happiness was on next. They were really good. They are from Texas and it *definitely* shows. The first thing you notice is the lead singer. He is short, very very pudgy, and has a ZZ Top beard and weird, weird mannerisms. Oh, and the most INCREDIBLE white-blues voice. I mean, you felt it so hard. He is the most obvious asset of the band. The second thing you notice is the drummer, who is female and, well, I was attracted, anyway. But she's really got a hell of a lot of tricks up her sleeve, drumwise. Actually, she was wearing a tanktop, so another metaphor shot to shit. The guitarist is very classic-rock influenced and no amazing great shakes. Their bassist, likewise; he looks kinda inbred, actually. But boy was their music powerful. I mean, they were gripping character studies, with a garage-punk outlook, and oh, that voice. Lines like "The pockets of the rich are lined every time a soldier dies" stick out, but they were definitely a band you remember for their SOUNDAGE, not their songage. I thought I heard overtones of the Du and Zeppelin and ZZ Top - a weird amalgam of country/boogie, full- throttle punk and classic rock wank. I liked it a lot. Sadly, I've heard that they just finished recording their debut on a major label, Reprise. I certainly hope it isn't a sellout... well, *I* saw them when they were cool, anyway. I'm thinking of doing a bunch of parody covers of punk bands with their names/ styles collided/changed. For instance, "Rit's Rot Runny Ranymore" by Scuby Du (Husker Du with Scooby as lead singer). Or a metal pretensho-dirge by the Twisted Sisters Of Mercy, a metal eccentro-popsong by Camper Van Halen, hardcore noise by Sonic Youth Of Today, hardcore rap/janglepop by R.E.M.W.A., more rap/alternative by Public Enemy Limited and De La Soul Asylum, etc. etc. Any other good ideas? BTW, we still have Mindslam tapes to sell. They are very good. People like them. Please buy one, or at least send advice on selling them/our next move. The address - Srini Kumar P.O. Box 9961 Stanford, CA, 94309. m.minorthreat zamfir of a black planet <-- another one ------- -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not waste chalk. -- I will not skateboard down the halls. -- I will not burp in class. -- I will not instigate revolution. -- I will not draw naked ladies in class. -- I did not see Elvis. -- I will not call my teacher `Hot Cakes'. -- Garlic gum is not funny. -- They are laughing at me, not with me. -- I will not encourage others to fly. -- I will not fake my way through life. -- Tar is not a plaything. -- I will not Xerox my butt. -- I will not trade pants with others. -- I am not a 32 year old woman. -- I will not do that thing with my tongue. -- =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 9 May 91 08:19:36 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Re: Sister Double Happiness >Re: Sister Double Happiness >Have they released anything before the upcoming lp? I have two singles on SubPop. One was a Singles Club edition (which is where I first heard them) and the latest was a release which I just got a week ago. They're both pretty good. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not draw naked ladies in class. =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 9 May 91 12:21:13 EDT From: Ron Rader Subject: I want Dino Jr. and Motorhead! Hey all you cool people with more rounded music collections: Why don't you post some reviews of your Dinosaur Jr. stuff? I currently don't have any, but keep hearing it on the campus radio, and on the list. Yeah, I know, I should have gotten some a long time ago but Hendrix and Floyd bootlegs cost a lot of money and have dominated my budget. Is Green Mind a good starting point? Oh yeah, how does Motorhead's 1916 compare to Ace Of Spades or Iron Fist or Perfect Day? I'll get it eventually unless it turns out to be a dog. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 9 May 91 09:46:36 PDT From: 56 Subject: Malfunkshun Malfunkshun was the awesomest band here in Seattle around 1984-1986 or so. The band was Andy Wood, his brother Kevin Wood, and childhood friend Regan Hagar. They had all been playing since childhood on Bainbridge Island (near Seattle). In this band Andy (Landrew) developed his stage antics and love style. Andy had two brothers, both of who were pretty insane. Kevin was very quiet, but could do intense long guitar solos. Their other brother took too much MDA and just walked around town with a guitar, sleeping outside. Regan is now in Molasses doing heavy funk. =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 9 May 91 13:55:06 -0400 From: Gordon Lee Subject: Re: I want Dino Jr. and Motorhead! From: Ron Rader Subject: I want Dino Jr. and Motorhead! Why don't you post some reviews of your Dinosaur Jr. stuff? Is Green Mind a good starting point? I would recommend "Bug" before "Green Mind". For some reason "Green Mind" sounds more and more like rehashed Led Zeppelin every time I listen to it. just $0.02... - GL =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 9 May 91 15:09:16 EDT From: Subject: Re: Malfunkshun Thanks for the info on Malfunkshun. If anybody has any stuff of theirs, I'd like to hear it, I've only heard the two tunes on the Deep Six comp. I'm still wondering what other groups Greg Gilmore, the drummer for Mother Love Bone, has been in. He's really good and it would be cool if he got into another band. See ya, Tim "Timothy R. Williams" =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 9 May 91 12:37:07 PDT From: 56 Subject: Greg Gilmore Gilmore, drummer for Mother Love Bone, was also in 10 MInute Warning, a NW band around 1986, which Duff McCagen who's now in Guns and Roses played in as well. info info info! =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 May 91 08:40:29 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Recint Diskushins (forwarded) Forwarded message: >From peda@patience.Stanford.EDU Fri May 10 00:30:28 1991 Date: Thu, 9 May 91 20:50:37 PDT From: peda@patience.Stanford.EDU Message-Id: <9105100350.AA28113@simplicity.Stanford.EDU> To: punk-list@cs.tut.fi Subject: Recint Diskushins writes: > I beg to differ... Sister Double Happiness has been working out of SF for > a long long time now... > >> m.minorthreat says >> well, *I* saw them when they were cool, anyway. Now, if yer REALLY REALLY happenin', you hung out with the lead singer in front o Paradise Lounge during the time they weren't touring and he was working as a doorman. Like me. %^}. Snark snark. I was all set to hate this band since 1) I dont like the blues and 2) there are SO many SF people SO MUCH into this band (I like to buck trends), but I have been absolutely amazed at the originality and energy of this band. Saw them open for the Fluid. Killer fuckin show. Speaking of the Grateful Dead Kennedys, they definitely are real. Saw them at the I-Beam in SF just 3 (?) months ago, and was amused but not, shall we say, impressed with the music. But then again maybe that's not the point. Someone mentioned Dread Zeppelin (real) who play reggae covers of Led Zeppelin tunes. Anyone else heard Ted Zeppelin (also very real) who play Ted Nugent and Zeppelin covers? Kindo humorous, at least the first time. -BC -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 May 91 20:26:17 EST From: WALTERS.C.E%P9955.WLU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: GRATEFUL DEAD KENNEDYS WHAT IS THIS BAND? I MEAN WHAT DO THEY PLAY? I REALLY THE DK'S BUT I HATE (I MEAN REALLY HATE) THE GATEFUL DEAD. (I'LL BE GRATEFUL WHEN THEY'RE DEAD) I THINK A COMBINATION OF THE TWO WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE, SO THEY MUST BE ONE OR THE OTHER PREFERABLY LIKE THE DK'S. I DO LIKE DREAD ZEPPELIN SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY SING THOSE SONGS SO I DON'T HAVE TO. ANY WAY HAS SOMEONE HERE HEARD OF SPOT 1019. I THINK THEY ARE REALLY GOOD BUT THEY SEEM TO HAVE A DIFFERENT SOUND. WHTA DO YOU THINK. CHARLES STUCK HERE IN TERMINAL PREPPIE-LAND WASHINGTON AND LEE UNIVERSITY =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 May 91 20:55:56 -0700 From: Gregory James Barish Subject: tad am i late on this or has anyone seen the blurb in SPIN mag about tad? apparently, the photo on the cover of their latest album (8-way santa) has a picture of a man and a woman engaged in G-rated joking foreplay. well, the photo was used without permission, so the couple is mad as hell. the funny part is that bruce pavitt suggested that the whole brouhaha might blow over if subpop agrees to let the couple release their own single. any reviews of the latest tad album (or previous ones)? i'm looking for a place to start with these guys. greg p60axxx@pic.ucla.edu =============================================================================== Date: Sun, 12 May 91 13:57:21 MDT From: "J. 'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: tad On Fri May 10 1991 8:55pm, (p60axxx%PIC.UCLA.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote: > Subject: "tad" > any reviews of the latest tad album (or previous ones)? i'm > looking for a place to start with these guys. > > greg > p60axxx@pic.ucla.edu Well here's what I would do in order: 8way Santa (superior song writing and catchy riffs) CD Salt Lick CD (contains most of 1st LP "gods balls") Jack Pepsi CD single great songs on this too! Hell, all of tads music kicks ass! go nuts and buy it all. //jexby =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 May 91 16:13:59 PDT From: 56 Subject: Re: tad Actually, Tad was even written up briefly in People Magazine's reviews, complete with a Charles Peterson photo. The deal with the 8-Way Santa cover was that my friend Caryn bought this photo album at a thrift store which still had photos in it. Charles Peterson, then her roomate and the photographer for Subpop, colorized the photo of this 70s man and woman on their wedding day and slapped in on Tad's cover. Bruce and Jonathan enjoy publicity, and while the woman and her new husband, a gospel music producer, may sue, Bruce and Jon are hoping the publicity will help sell more records. By the way, may I suggest that you all purchase a bunch of Subpop records or otherwise GIVE THEM MONEY if you like Subpop and want it to stay around. They've recently had to lay off 5 employees, and things are looking tight. =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 May 91 16:17:07 PDT From: 56 Subject: Re: tad In <9105121945.AA21275@milton.u.washington.edu>, jon hilgreen writes: > > Greg from the land of perpertual sun sez: > > am i late on this or has anyone seen the blurb in SPIN mag > > about tad? apparently, the photo on the cover of their > > latest album (8-way santa) has a picture of a man and a > > woman engaged in G-rated joking foreplay. well, the photo > > was used without permission, so the couple is mad as hell. > > the funny part is that bruce pavitt suggested that the whole > > brouhaha might blow over if subpop agrees to let the couple > > release their own single. > > > > Yeah, I herd that the guy is a born again christian now. > Just to get it straight, the woman in the photo has since remarried, and it's the new husband who's raising the big stink. He is a born again and produces gospel music south of Seattle. =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 14 May 91 11:49:00 EDT From: NATASHA Subject: The Grunge Years Hi Everyone! As my first note kicks off, I'd like it to be an informative one- so here goes: The Grunge Years, a Sub-Pop compilation of grunge music will be released on May 17 as posted in the CMJ Music Report (a very accurate industry weekly magazine) I have no idea who will be on it, or any other details -sorry :( but I'm sure that it'll be worth checking out at least. --Renee C. Mecca =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 14 May 91 12:28:58 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Re: The Grunge Years Renee Mecca tells us: >The Grunge Years, a Sub-Pop compilation of grunge music will be >released on May 17 as posted in the CMJ Music Report (a very accurate >industry weekly magazine) >I have no idea who will be on it, or any other details -sorry :( >but I'm sure that it'll be worth checking out at least. Although CMJ is pretty reliable, SubPop plans aren't. So, some more details, gleaned from a recent phone conversation with a Mail Order Goddess: Most of the new stuff in the catalog won't be out until late June to mid July. The Scientists' release will finally come out at the end of May after many many moons of waiting. The new Mudhoney LP won't until the end of June. The new Das Damen single is CD only. "The Grunge Years" will be CD and cassette only. I voiced my concerns for vinyl and was reassured that it was not being discontinued. I guess there are certain circumstances for this particular case. TGY is a compilation of SubPop bands only. I don't know if it's old stuff or unreleased things, but my guess is that it's unreleased studio takes. SubPop doesn't usually rehash things for $$$ unlike some labels (can you say SST?) Some names: Nirvana, L7, Afghan Whigs, many more. There are more compilations being thought of for the future (hopefully with unknown bands instead, the main reason I like compilations). Related news: Saw a SubPop 200 (vinyl) go for $75 this weekend. Wow. Collectoritus is rampant! Fortunately it had been played many times before, so at least we're not seeing too much hoarding and hiding (I hope). Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not burp in class. =============================================================================== Date: Tue, 14 May 91 20:00:13 EDT From: andrew bowser Subject: Steel Pole Bathtub rides again Just a quick note--Steel Pole Bathtub are on the road, if you haven't heard... I caught them last night at the Khyber Pass in Philadelphia. Pretty good for a Monday night show...approx. 50 people (21+ club)...Apparently they've been playing pretty much all new stuff, i.e. most of "Tulip", which is kool, yet I'm really unfamiliar with it except for "Soul Cannon" which is at least the best song I've heard in the past few...um, weeks or so. YOW! What else can one say? I'm sure fans would have wanted to hear some stuff from "Butterfly Love" or the other one with the "Paranoid" cover. Oh yeah--their new cover song is "Come Together," which is a pretty lame choice if you ask me. Soundgarden did it way coolly a while ago; it's pretty hard to top. I wish more bands would cover Johnathan Richman songs (except Pablo Picasso, which has been done at least twice awreddy). Andy B =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 15 May 91 21:16:38 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Discography offer Hi folks, I just shipped off the latest revision of the Sonic Youth discography I've put together as well as a new one that covers all of the releases on the SubPop label to the discography archives at vacs.uwp.wisc.edu (maintained by Dave Datta). I thought some of you on each of these lists might be interested (there's also many others in the archives). For the terminally lazy or those without ftp capabilities, feel free to drop me a line and I'll send you a copy of mine when I can. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not encourage others to fly. =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 16 May 91 01:14:03 -0700 From: Gregory James Barish Subject: motorhead unless he's lying, david letterman announced that motorhead will be on tomorrows (5/16) show. go figure. side note to the tad 8-way santa controversy: the band has replaced the offending photo with a plain vanilla photo of the band in a barn. do i smell the incarnation of a collector's item? watch out for frogs. greg. p60axxx@pic.ucla.edu =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 16 May 91 10:56:46 BST From: lawsonj%PROJECT4.COMPUTER-SCIENCE.MANCHESTER.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Hello... I was bored Things seem really uneventful grunge-wise. It's dead boring here in Manchester cos everyone's finished lectures and there's nothing more to do. I went to see "Curve" last night, which is a new band over here. They're sort-of like lots of guitars with a fairly pop-ish female vocalist (who looks a bit like Beatrice Dalle) (except she's shorter) -- anyway, they were really good. It was the sweatiest gig I've been to since Mudhoney in '89. Did anyone hear about Tad's Irish experience? A bomb was planted in his hotel and all residents, including the big guy himself, were detained for questioning -- so he missed the Liverpool show, which I nearly went to. "Fatima Mansions". They're quite a good, noise-some group, as are the Edsel Auctioneers. Oh, and the Senseless Things -- anyone heard of them? Damn good stuff, and their next album is meant to be very good indeed. They're playing here too. It's ridiculous. My exams are mid-May to mid-June, during which time are the following gigs: Fatimas, Senseless things, King Of The Slums, Wedding Present with Buffalo Tom, Cranes, Drop, and the Ugly American Overkill tour. How the hell am I supposed to pass my exams? ...perhaps I'm destined not to. Well, if anyone else is still alive out in grungeland, send a reply or some of this sort of semi-automatic mouthwash or something... love and kisses, Julian! =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 16 May 91 10:16:09 -0400 From: Keiji Kanazawa Subject: TAD Hi. I like Sonic Youth. I've discovered I like Dino Jr. (Bug) a lot. Is TAD similar to these bands? I've heard good things about them, and I'm contemplating whether or not to make a purchase. KK =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 16 May 91 13:59:07 -0400 From: Gordon Lee Subject: Dino Jr tour Hi, I am curious as to whether anyone has been to see Dino Jr yet during this tour ? I am thinking of going to see them this coming Saturday in Boston. What can I expect ? Should I bother ? (I like the albums) - GL =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 16 May 91 14:25:30 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Re: Dino Jr tour GL asks: >Hi, I am curious as to whether anyone has been to see Dino Jr >yet during this tour ? No I haven't, damn it. They played last night in Washington D.C. (and here I am in NY, curse cuss). >I am thinking of going to see them this coming Saturday in Boston. >What can I expect ? Should I bother ? (I like the albums) Hell, yes, yes, yes. I saw them twice when they supported "Bug" and I'd say that they're one of the hand-full of bands that I'd go see anywhere, anytime, over and over again. I thought their show was just great. Of course, now that they're more popular and Lou is gone, who knows if this will still be the case, but I'd say it's more than worth the risk. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not fake my way through life. =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 16 May 91 22:15:02 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Drivel from mine fingertips Hey hey (gabba-hey) fellow crunchheads, Andy B spits: >Just a quick note--Steel Pole Bathtub are on the road, if you haven't heard... I thought they had broken up. Listen, I don't have any of their stuff but I've been eye-balling the LPs on Boner Records. Anyone out there want to make recommendation. Gregory James Barish saith: >unless he's lying, david letterman announced that motorhead >will be on tomorrows (5/16) show. go figure. Well, I'm going to set the alarm and get up to see if this is true. I'm not betting on it, especially given Letterman's sense of humor. If so, can you imagine what an interview between Letterman and Lemmy would be like? >side note to the tad 8-way santa controversy: the >band has replaced the offending photo with a plain >vanilla photo of the band in a barn. do i smell the >incarnation of a collector's item? Anyone wanna buy a slightly used original copy of 8-way Santa for, say, about $300 bucks? Seems like that's where all the SubPop catalog is going, which is good for those that have the stuff, I guess... Then Julian goes and says: >do. I went to see "Curve" last night, which is a new band over here. >They're sort-of like lots of guitars with a fairly pop-ish female >vocalist (who looks a bit like Beatrice Dalle) (except she's shorter) >-- anyway, they were really good. It was the sweatiest gig I've been to >since Mudhoney in '89. I'd still like to hear about all these Brit grunge bands I'm missing. Does the UK have their own version of SubPop for us greedy mail-order types? >Did anyone hear about Tad's Irish experience? A bomb was planted in his >hotel and all residents, including the big guy himself, were detained >for questioning -- so he missed the Liverpool show, which I nearly went >to. If there was a bomb in a hotel and Tad came walking out, I wouldn't even bother questioning the man. I'd just haul him to jail. But I guess that's why I love him so. >are the following gigs: Fatimas, Senseless things, King Of The Slums, >Wedding Present with Buffalo Tom, Cranes, Drop, and the Ugly American >Overkill tour. How the hell am I supposed to pass my exams? I'd like blow-by-blow reports. Don't worry about the exams... there's always next year (and the year after and the year after that... :). And our man in Seattle, numbero 56 says: >By the way, may I suggest that you all purchase a bunch of Subpop >records or otherwise GIVE THEM MONEY if you like Subpop and want it to >stay around. They've recently had to lay off 5 employees, and things >are looking tight. This is grave news ineed. I guess I'll have to order everything I don't already have, or maybe doubles and give'em as gifts ("Here you go, mother dear, a nice Tad _Lick_ EP for xmas..."). I was hoping they were doing well since they turned down the "buy-out by the majors" thing. You'd think if they were hurtin' they'd just bail out while they can. Lastly, Keiji Kanazawa asks: >Hi. I like Sonic Youth. I've discovered I like Dino Jr. (Bug) a >lot. Two of my very favorite bands. I wouldn't say Tad is similar, really. The best person to field this would be Andy. But I will say that Tad is much more grungy-crunchy-backwoodsy than either of the above. If you like _Bug_ though there's a good chance that _8-Way Santa_ will grab you. I'll shut up now... =============================================================================== From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Mucho SubPopage reviews Howdy folks, here's some quicky down-n-dirty reviews of some recent purchases. Guess who finally got a long-awaited gift from Seattle? Beat Happening "Red Head Walking" 7" [SubPop] --------------------------------------------- "Red Head Walking" b/w "Secret Picnic Spot". Pretty minimal sound, quiet drums. Calvin's deep voice and musings dominates both songs. Pretty atmospheric, definitely *not* rockin'. I wouldn't consider this grungy at all, but I have to admit that I like it. I'd give it one thumb up personally, no thumbs for a true grunger. Sister Double Happiness "Don't Worry" 7" [SubPop] ------------------------------------------------- "Don't Worry" b/w "Wheels A' Spinnin'". From Texas, now in 'Frisco, now reformed. I don't know why I like these guys 'n' gals so much but I do. The vocals have that certain tinge to them that makes 'em easy to like. Gotta slight country/blues sound to it but side one's definitely a rockin' thing. None too complicated or grungy, but it's got balls that are hard to ignore. I give this a one and a half thumbs up. Dwarves "Astro Boy" 7" [SubPop] ------------------------------- "Drug Store & Detention Girl" b/w "Astro Boy & Motherfucker". Yeah, I know, old news, but I finally got it. Not quite as relentless as the LP. If you like punk, if you like Misfits, if you've got a sick sense of humor, this is for you. I like it, although it blasts by fast enough it's hard to keep track of. I won't give this thumbs since you'll either love it or hate it, tain't no in-between. Smashing Pumpkins "Trsitessa" 7" [SubPop] ----------------------------------------- "Tristessa" b/w "La Dolly Vita". The surprise of the bunch. Grunges and rocks out just when things sound like they're going downhill. I don't know a lot about this band (well, actually, I know nothing) but I'm sure lovin' this single. Got a metal flavor (just a tad) to it. Good crunchy sort of guitars, with some melody here and there for good measure. Side one's a good opener, side two's the knockout punch (starts out slow but really gets the lead out as the song moves on). Maximum volume is definitely recommended to "bring out the finer" points in this. It merits this review's two thumbs up. Hole "Dicknail" 7" [SubPop] --------------------------- "Dicknail" b/w "Burnblack". They've got an LP coming out soon, and they're being produced by Kim Gordon (ala Sonic Youth). Pretty bleak lookin' crowd on the cover. Expected a noisy early-Sonic type sound. It's got some of that, but this more of a dirgy, droning, creepy-crawly sound. The vocals are best likened to an L7 7" being played at 33rpm. Pretty raw and yelling, but slow and droning too. Things pick up here and there but overall the music is pretty oppressive, and the lyrics ain't exactly uplifting. "Hey hey this much is true, I never twisted you, hey hey this much is true, baby I never burnedblack for you!" You figure it out. I give it a half thumb up to one and a half, depending on my mood. It's that kind of single. Now if I could just find a reasonable jukebox at a decent price to put all these darn singles in, I'd be a happy camper. Playing singles is a total drag. I tape them. I'd much rather just hit a bunch of buttons and let things go... =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 17 May 91 14:22:34 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Re: Comments about my underwear? But I don't wear any! Jon saith: >> Smashing Pumpkins "Trsitessa" 7" [SubPop] >> ----------------------------------------- >> "Tristessa" b/w "La Dolly Vita". The surprise of the bunch. Grunges and >Info that I have: They are from Chicago, they have a single on Limited >Potential records. I liked the limited potential single better. The a >side is reminisant of Flower by soundgarden. One female in the band. >Foursome. Good shit. Interesting. The female is right up from on the cover of the single above, but only does minor background vocal pieces on it. Attractive though. One of the members looks oriental. There's only three of them there, perhaps the fourth was added later/left before/hired/whatever. Jon, do you have a mailorder address for Limited Potential? I don't recall ever seeing one but it's the only way I'll find that other single. Definitely good shit. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not fake my way through life. =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 17 May 91 11:28:02 PDT From: 56 Subject: Cows Hi everyone! I saw the Cows at the Off-Ramp here in Seattle last night. They blew me away. The singer is like some kind of deranged retarded junky hillbilly. He swayed tot he music is this weird psychotic rhythm. It reminded me the most of early Butthole Surfers, and he freaked me out to the same extent but in a different way then David Yow of Scratch Acid and Jesus LIzard. Go see them if they come to your town! =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 17 May 91 09:11:46 EDT From: Ron Rader Subject: More drivel from the minds of grungeheads Yeah, I'm cross posting this sucker, but that's cause those on the Metal alias need a little input from the grunge side of things. Did any of you metal readers know Motorhead was on Letterman last night (Thurs May 16). > If so, can you > imagine what an interview between Letterman and Lemmy would be like? Well, did any of you bother to tape this puppy? I did, and watched the first 10 minutes or so of Letterman. I just don't stay up as late as I used to, but I still like that wacky Dave. Sure 'nough, a huge double Marshall stack was sitting in the corner, Paul and Dave made jokes about Motorhead while announcing the musical guests, and I can't friggin wait to see Lemmy on live U.S. television! What a joke! I hope they played 'I'm the Doctor' or 'Jailbait!' Hah hah hah! By the way, the tape is on the super-slow 6 hour speed on an el cheapo vid tape. Don't bother asking for a copy. I'm gonna break down and buy whatever Dino Jr. I can find. Since Sub Pop appears to be in dire straits, does anyone have a mail order address? May as well do business at the source and help them out... -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 May 91 11:14:51 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Re: Grunge Archives Jon 'n' folks, > FROM: GRUNGE-L ARCHIVES Vol. 2!!!! > (c) 1991 Jon J. Hilgreen > The following is a compilation of articles sent to the grunge rock >discussion mailing list, V090JTCV@ubvms, now known as grunge-l@ubvm. This fil Okay, call me stoopid, but I don't know where these archives are or how to extract info from them. Details pull-ease? I'd like to see what other gems I've missed from months (and years?) past. >"If you long for days when pixies were little faeries and not a band from >Boston, don't smash pumpkins" -Bill Dalton Pretty witty quote. A good comparison too, I think, although they're not as quirky sounding as The Pixies. >"Although their name refers to a vegetable, their music is pure beef" >- Kristopher Hoeksema, The Daily Cardinal, University of Wisconsin Ugh. Terrible. Just terrible. I write better review quotes than that, and I suck (setting myself up for another putdown here, folks). Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not call my teacher `Hot Cakes'. =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 May 91 16:09:15 EDT From: WALTERS.C.E%P9955.WLU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Well I finally figured out how to send out on this compuiter. I think that this list is definitly good stuff and I think that the people on the list are definbiot;y up on SUBPOP but there are many other labels out there and i think that some peol[pe might find other labels like alternative tentacle much more interseting because they tend to stick to realeaes dates, basically they don't annouince aany. See you guys later charles =============================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 May 91 20:22:00 CST From: VS8154%UMKCVAX3.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: GWAR Hey... What can you boneheads out there tell me about Gwar? I saw an interview with the members(?) on Joan Rivers' show and it looked somewhat interesting... Sam =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 22 May 91 14:24:02 -0700 From: Gregory James Barish Subject: liquid jesus saw them at school today (UCLA). unfortunately, i didn't know they were playing (forgot to pick up a daily paper) and only caught the last bits of their show. i have to say that i admire them simply because they tried to play the school scene. it's usually demoralizing to play in this environment, since you gotta deal with people going to classes in the middle of your show, a bunch of idiots staring at you like you're from mars, etc... they did a good job of getting the crowd going (first stagedives i've seen at a campus noon concert). honestly, i don't know any of their music, but i liked what i heard (even though the only cut i could recognize was a cover of "uncle bob"). the crowd convinced them to do an encore (orginally they weren't - i think they felt out of place) and the bass player kicked ass. talked to the lead axe but stupidly didn't ask her for a quote for our mailing list. she seemed nice. boy, i'm a pretty lousy reviewer. i'm going to nirvana/dinosaur jr on june 14, so hopefully i'll improve by then. later.greg p60axxx@pic.ucla.edu =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 22 May 91 14:29:02 -0700 From: Gregory James Barish Subject: lyrics anyone know where i can get lyrics to records by subpop/sst/etc... bands? i know there is a lyrics database somewhere that i can ftp from, but i doubt they'd have what i'm looking for (soundgarden,mudhoney, dino jr, nirvana....). later.greg p60axxx@pic.ucla.edu =============================================================================== Date: Wed, 22 May 91 16:26:00 -0700 From: Gregory James Barish Subject: i mean L7, not liquid jesus yeah ok, so call it a major f-up. the concert review i gave before was about L7, not liquid jesus. hope i don't get sued. don't ask me how i screwed that one up. later.greg =============================================================================== Date: Thu, 23 May 91 08:15:06 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: L7 microreview (forwarded) Forwarded message: >From reeves@CS.UCLA.EDU Wed May 22 16:40:10 1991 Message-Id: <9105222031.AA05441@oahu.cs.ucla.edu> To: punk-list@cs.tut.fi Cc: wincinski@sgi.com, laurab@sgi.com, ringer@CS.UCLA.EDU Subject: L7 microreview Date: Wed, 22 May 91 13:31:37 PDT From: reeves@CS.UCLA.EDU 5/22 lunchtime show Westwood Plaza @ UCLA Great set, overcoming midday marine layer heat and curious student audience. Rotated songs between the three in front, w/ the drummer providing a strong Philthy Phil Taylor impression, but not as fast. The bass player had the best songs, the rthym gtrist did stuff that sounded like early Exzene -- slightly literary, slightly hardcore (and a couple of appalling solos). Best songs were ``Right on through,'' ``Packing a Rod,'' ``Shitlist,'' (one-two in the middle of the set) and ``Just like me'' (all titles approximate). Is ``Just like me'' about G'n'R? Great song, I'll have to track it down. Closed w/ a cover of ``Lynch the Landlord'' and encored w/ ``Bloodstains'' (Agent Orange) and ``Uncle Bob.'' The punk material worked better than the grunge. Can anybody provide a discography? Stage patter indicates they've signed a record deal and'll be playing at Raji's on 5/26 (video filming). Tomorrow night 5/23 Penelope Houston (x-Avengers) and Vic Chestnut (who?) play in the Coop. --John -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 24 May 91 12:02:59 BST From: lawsonj%PROJECT4.COMPUTER-SCIENCE.MANCHESTER.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Right. Firsty, Wench are not on Sub Pop -- some other label with "metal" in it somewhere. Secondly: SubPop Europe exists in West Germany (25000 Gruner Weg something-or-other). They have a few of their own bands (Headcoats, erm.... can't remember what else) and they also distribute Amphetamine Reptile and Glitterhouse. There are two agencies for tours, Paperclip (Europe) and Concord (UK), and their UK press agency is Bad Moon Publicity, containing a very nice young lady called Ginni who sends me lots of records (I do reviews for the college newspaper you see). Most stuff comes out later than USA, but I got the Tristessa 12in ages ago. I don't know if thats available in USA, but it contains a track "Honeyspider" which blows the other two tracks to smithereens. It sounds kind-of like the Beatles' "I am the Walrus" (I think thats the title) with guitars going all over the place and its BRILLIANT!! Tad's original cover still seems to be going in the UK -- I've got it anyway. Re British music: (I wimped out from seeing Cranes, Buffalos, Edsels -- lots of work, 180 pound overdraft etc...) ESSENTIAL BRITISH GRUNGE My Bloody Valentine Isn't anything LP -- very necessary Loop Fade Out LP Cranes Very wierd with a female vocalist King of the Slums Indie-guitar band quite ordinary except for the manic electric violin Curve A bit poppy but very good Edsel Auctioneer Fatima Mansions Noisy, good Senseless Things \ Snuff - Very similar rocky-thrashy stuff -- some of it v good Mega City 4 / Swervedriver Grungeburgers. I love'em Carter USM London boys "awesomely loud Cross between Pet Shop Boys and MC4" -- very noisy pop. Boo Radleys "Noise mixed with harmony" Teenage Fanclub Taking notes from Dinosaur Jr and the Mary Chain "Everything flows" is their best. SHIT -- I assumed you guys have HEARD the Jesus & Mary Chain?? Very big here mid-80's. These guys are the grandaddies of UK noise. Wowowowowow! Listen to Psychocandy LP. If you haven't heard them, do so NOWWWWW. I'm sure there's more but I can't remember now. Anyway, I was thinking of doing a compilation tape of the best of these bands for your delight. I'll work out postage costs etc. and get back to you about this. Well its nearly time to go.. wish me luck in the exams everyone... I'll give you a buzz next week sometime. Julian (lawsonj@uk.ac.man.cs.p4) "Where's my bloody tea Neil?" 'Cook your own tea, Vyvyan!' "I don't cook the tea Neil. That's your job. That's what we agreed when we came here. You cook the tea, I'll look after the plants and the goldfish." 'Yeah? and what did you make me cook on that first day?' "Sausages. It was a Tuesday." 'Sausages AND ???' ".. Sausages and plants and goldfish! Look....." ---- The Young Ones =============================================================================== Date: Fri, 24 May 91 15:06:09 +0300 From: t Viikari Subject: t in A'dam (long!) t in Amsterdam, Netherlands May 14 - May 19 1991 I arrived in A'dam airport on tuesday in the afternoon and of course the trains were on strike! I managed to get a bus to the central station and took a tram to my host-to-be and even paid for the fair (it's pretty easy to travel in the trams without a ticket - although they've increased the number of the check-ups. In fact the reason for the strike was a death of one em- ployee when he caught somebody travelling without a valid ticket). I stayed at a house just next to one of the best rec stores in A'dam - Forever Changes. I bought some exellent recs from there (I'm in a deep debt now...). They have both new and used 7"s, LPs and CDs. The shop is on Bilderdijkstraat. Jack, my host (HI!), offered me a great meal (you gotta gimmie the recipe!!!) and some exellent Dutch beer (NOT Heineken which I like a lot, too). We had a chat, drank some beer and headed to a club called Korsakoff. An exellent underground/independent club with two floors, two bars and weekly live shows. They played pretty good music there and beer cost was reasonable (US$ 1.25 for a bottle). I met one Finnish friend of mine there, too (we had made arrangements for a meeting). We stayed there the whole evening and had a good time. After 2 am we left with my Finnish friend to sleep. He walked a couple of miles to his youth hostel (Sleep-In, seemed a nice, clean, safe and cheap place to stay) and I headed to Jack's house. Don't believe all of the stories of A'dam's dangerous nights... The next day was THE DAY for VICTIMS FAMILY and SNUFF. Don't remember much of what I/we did during the day -oh yes, I went to De Konkurrent, an incredibly cool distributor/tour management for several bands (e.g. No=No, ALICE DONUT, FUGAZI, VICTIMS FAMILY, SNUFF - or course only for European tours), to have a chat about bands coming to Finland and I asked for a permit for shooting the VF gig on video. Really nice people. In the evening on our way to the gig we saw the Dutch police in action in the same quarter (?) I stayed at. The police was there to get rid of the last pirate radio stations in Amsterdam. I wanted to shoot it on video, but Jack said I and my camera could get seriously hurt, so I didn't try my luck. We got at the venue around 21.30 (9.30 pm for you Yanks:)). The gig was at 'Paradiso' which is pretty big place (up to 1000 people?) with one bar and there were place for people also on the sides above the pit. I think the place has been previously a church (judging by the paintings on the windows). SNUFF started around 22.00 and played too loud (I do like loud music, but that was too much - too bad I didn't have ear plugs with me). Pretty much new material with some old gems and of course, typically to SNUFF, lotsa songs on request by the audience. They played a good gig, but the crowds in A'dam seem to be quite passive. I talked with the guys after the gig and they said there will be a new lp and a 12" coming soon on their own label. They've recorded the stuff already. We also agreed to try to arrange some gigs for them in Finland in the end of this year. Great! VICTIMS FAMILY got on stage and started their set with some jazz jamming and then shot their 1-3 minute-long attacks for an hour, I think. They're incredibly tight also live and they play their songs even faster than on recs. There were a couple of songs I didn't recognise, so maybe there's some hope for a new lp/12"/7" soon. They also played 'My Evil Twin' from their split 7" with COFFIN BREAK (on Rave recs (US)/Konkurrel (EUR)). Get the 7"!!! The song was like sitting on a vertical knife (eh? :)). They played ~10 more songs for an encore (don't remember if they did more ec's). A skin ripping show. There was some slamming, but I guess Dutch crowd isn't too much into stagediving (is it illegal?). It's pretty hard to slam/dance to 'em, tho. With all the rhytm/tempo changes and stuff. One description for their music could be a mix of NoMeansNo and John Zorn - I hope you know 'em... After the show I went to talk with the guys, but they were pretty busy with getting stoned, so I couldn't have a really deep discussion with 'em... I took the tape from the mixing board and asked for a copy of SNUFF's gig on tape, too and then we left to Korsakoff. There was some local (?) band playing, but I didn't care too much for it after the gig. We had some beer (one too many?) and left to gain more energy for the following days. The next day was for sight-seeing and hang-over. I went to a torture museum (it's amazing how cruel a human (I guess that's really 'human') being can be...) and just walked around with my friend. I was supposed to go to the sparebank (or how do you call those little dolls(?) in which you put coins?) museum, but I forgot/didn't have the energy. We bought some beer, chocolate and biscuits and went to Waterloo- plein to see the 'fleamarket' (it's more market than fleamarket), but we were too late. So we just sat at one canal and had a picnic. It was really cold (as it was during almost the whole stay of mine) and now I've got this terrible cold... In the evening we went again to Korsakoff (as you can see we really liked the place) and stayed there till 2 am. Since we couldn't find any party after the club was closed we went to one jazz club, had a beer and watched the end of the band's show and left to sleep. My mate left to Hamburg next morning (he was on inter-rail, lucky him) and I was on my own again. Pretty tired and depressed (because of a hang-over, again - you've got a point SE's - I really mean it) I walked around A'dam. In the afternoon I reached (at last) another Dutch friend of mine (actually his girlfriend) with whom I was supposed to spend the last days of my stay. I left my almost-a-new-home to see the guy and spend the nights there. The guy was the same guy at whose place I stayed when I previously was in A'dam (still remember my inter-rail story?). He was there with his Mike Tyson cap and t-shirt. He had gotten even more records while I was away. (a commercial: even he -who only like US punk/hc - liked the AMAZING TAILS - 'Out' ep. So you'd better get it. An exellent Finnish band. BTW, they'll be touring Europe in the early summer, so don't miss them!!!) I had some great veg food and then headed again to Paradiso to see the UGLY AMERICAN OVERKILL with HALO OF FLIES, TAR, SURGERY, GOD BULLIES and . I mainly went there because HALO OF FLIES but, of course, I missed almost all of their set, shit! Hazelmyer was pretty intoxicated/stoned or something. There was shit going on between the band and the audience. He was really pissed off on something. The atmosphere was pretty uptight. Dunno why. Anyway, they sounded pretty good (the 2,5 songs I heard :( ). I was pretty tired, so I only watched a part of the TAR's set (kinda dull, if I knew the songs I might have liked it) and some of the set of SURGERY. I kinda liked them, but as I didn't know the songs I cannot say a lot. I might even buy some of their recs. Before the remaining bands started I left. I was too tired to try to figure out which night bus I should take. I stepped out of tram on a wrong stop. For my feet's luck it wasn't too far from my destination... Next morning we went with my host to see some bike shops (my gf asked me to buy a mountain bike for her), but it was too difficult to choose so I didn's buy any. How much do they cost in the States, btw? In the evening I went to 'Melkweg' (Milky Way) to see ALICE DONUT. The place was really neat. There are a cafe shop (with hash cakes), gallery and a bookshop in addition to the main hall for bands. I really liked the place. Not too big, not too small (are there too small venues at all anywhere?). The supporting act, Mekons from UK, had started their set already when I got in. They played some kinda folk music with a tiny punky taste. If you wanted to have 'swell time dancing' the band was good for that. After midnight (1 am?) ALICE DONUT started their show. I was really impressed at the personality of the singer and the tightness and power of the band. They put up an exellent show.I think they played songs from all of their albums (on Alt. Tentacles) including their just released new lp ('Revenge Fantasies Of The Impotent' on AT). There was good slamming and a good crowd. They've got about 4-5 encores and they really enjoyed playing. They're now touring Europe, so don't miss them!!! If anyone interested I can mail exact dates. AD plays good punk rock. The voice of the singer is great! I think my fave lp is 'Mule'. I went to see the band (again - as you see you really have to work to get bands to play in Finland) after the gig. I talked with the bassiest of the band. An incredibly nice guy. He was pretty interested in coming to Finland because his parents had won a trip to Helsinki (our capital) some time ago. Strange... I left for to find a night bus what wasn't too hard. I noticed I had no more than 2 Dfl left (approx one buck) and I had to get tram to Central Railway station and a train to the airport in the next morning. Fortunately my host bought some AMAZING TAILS eps so I had some money. I did get to the airport and throught the security! I bought some videos (e.g. Rocky Horror Pic Show) and stuff and headed to the plane. Trip was ok and OF COURSE I was caught at the Customs and had to pay taxes for almost 1000 FIM (~250 US$). Aarrrrgh! I sould have paid double (I took the 'green line), but I acted(?) stupid, so they let me pay the normal tax. I hope the hi-fi stuff is worth it...aw fuck, it was stolen! Again one more great trip and lotsa good shows and people. You gotta go there some day. I can give some useful hints and addresses. Any comments? I hope you enjoyed, t PS. The tix costed 12-15 Dfl (US$ 6-7.50) for each show. =============================================================================== From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (jon hilgreen) Subject: Review: The Grunge Years Date: Thu, 13 Jun 91 20:12:17 EDT The Grunge Years Various Artists Sub pop records Running time: 45:36 The newest compilation release from our friends at sub pop. This colection is not totally needed, but it is nice to have. The colection consists of thirteen previously released 7" singles. It is nice if you like the singles but perfer not to play them or didn't get them all, or whatever the reason may be. The CD contains the following: Nrivana Dive L7 Shove Tad Stumblin' man Beat Happening Readhead walking Mark Lanegan Ugly Sunday Screaming Trees Change has come The Fluid Tomorrow Afghan Whigs Retarded Babes in Toyland House Mudhoney Come to mind The Walkabouts Long black veil Love Battery Between the eyes Dickless Saddle tramp I'd definately say that it is worth the money so go out and buy it. It is a limited edition of 500,000. I don't think Sub pop has ever sold 500,000 disks. But who knows don't take a chance, go out and get it. There is also a funny insert commentary from Bruce and John. Jon --hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm uunet!ub!hilgreen --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 91 08:46:10 EDT From: Robert Vaughn Subject: Re: fIREHOSE tour (forwarded) Forwarded message: >From nm-list-sender@reef.cis.ufl.edu Sat Jun 15 09:07:29 1991 Errors-To: nm-list-sender@reef.cis.ufl.edu Sender: nm-list-sender@reef.cis.ufl.edu Precedence: bulk From: eport%alcor.usc.edu@usc.edu (Ethan Port) Message-Id: <9106142004.AA17834@alcor.usc.edu> Subject: Re: fIREHOSE To: devclu::gingrich@profsc.fsl.noaa.gov Date: Fri, 14 Jun 91 13:04:12 PDT Cc: nm-list@reef.cis.ufl.edu In-Reply-To: <9106141844.AA11725@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov>; from "devclu::gingrich@profsc.fsl.noaa.gov" at Jun 14, 91 6:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] FIREHOSE June Tour list: (With the FEELIES) W E S T C O A S T T O U R 20th the coach house, 33157 camino capist. san juan cap (714)496-8930 21st henry fonda theater,hollywood and Gower. (213) 464-9282 22nd warfield theater, 982 market st,SF, (415) 775-7358 23rd crest theater, 1013 K. st. SACTO, (916) 442-5189 25th the Catalyst, 1011 pacific ave. SC (408) 423-1338 26th Pheonix theater, 201 Washington st., Petaluma (707) 762-3566 28th Melody Ballroom, 615 se alder, Portland,OR (503) 232-2759 29th Moore theater, 1932 2nd av.,Seattle,WA (206) 443-0405 30th 86th St. Music, 750 Pacific Blvd,Vancouver,CAN.(604) 683-8687 and DOS July 6th at the Shamrock, 4600 Hollywood bl. (213)666-5240 unless stated, all dates are in California. For further info write to Firehose: POBox 1821 , San Pedro, CA 90733-1821 -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 91 09:30:22 EDT From: zengineers-r-us Subject: Re: fIREHOSE tour (forwarded) wha' 'bout the east coast?!? i bought the beat happening cd yesterday. eh. i think a second listening is in order though. i still suspect that i will like yo la tengo much better (when they're not being acoustic). woj _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 91 11:38:24 EDT From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Geez... are we all dead? Wow, things are looking dead on the net.grunge.scene. Anyway, the next version of the SubPop discography is about ready, but I'd like to try to get more input on the CD end of things, since there's quite a few releases with different/extra tracks, etc. Help? Someone wanna talk about Curve, Slowdive, Godflesh, Tad, or anyone else? Really like that new Beat Happening. Anyone wanna buy a used Mother Love Bone "Apple" CD? Blah blah blah blah. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not cut corners. " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 91 18:44:25 +0300 From: t Viikari Subject: Re: Geez... are we all dead? Someone wanna talk about Curve, Slowdive, Godflesh, Tad, or anyone else? ---Gimmie a good description on Godflesh. Should I give 'em a try? , t _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 91 12:01:00 EST From: JJT7927%RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Geez... are we all dead? I think we are all dead. I joined this conference/whatever about a month and a half ago and this is the first action I've seen. Oh well, at least it's action. Hey, I just picked up Beat Happening's Dreamy. It's really good. It's the first I've listened to them. How's their other stuff? What are some other SUB-POP stuff that's really good? TAD? huh huh, tell me, huh? Good talking to y'all. Joe _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 91 12:20:17 EDT From: i might as well be you Subject: rob is my neurosurgeon, i shall not whine >Hey, I just picked up Beat Happening's Dreamy. that's funny. so did i. i thought it was too short, but definitely one of the better subpop releases i've heard in a while. as for rob's plea for curve and slowdive, i got curve's _blindfold_ ep as well. yip! not *that* grungy (well, grungy in a british kind of way perhaps), but quite nice. i have been told many a time though that the other release (um, _frozen_ i think is the name) is rather flaccid. i also picked up a slowdive 12", but i forgot the title. it was decent though. woj@work (straight right hand margin utterly accidential) _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 91 13:08:32 EDT From: Rob Vaughn Subject: GodDreamyCurveBeatFleshNeurosurgeon Happening Okay, okay, I'm as guilty as the next guy. I'm dead. Maybe we should hire some grunge list cheerleaders? Jon Hilgreen sez: >> I will not cut corners. >> " " " " " >> " " " " " >> " " " " " >> >I like that! Give me no credit. Bart Simpson wrote it on the chalkboard first. Then woj chimes in: >Subject: rob is my neurosurgeon, i shall not whine Or else I'll disconnect your voice nerves, and rewire them to your toes, so every time you try to whine they'll jiggle and wiggle up and down. >>Hey, I just picked up Beat Happening's Dreamy. >that's funny. so did i. i thought it was too short, but definitely one >of the better subpop releases i've heard in a while. Here's a question, for those who bought the album: is there a big, straight burn mark across the album cover? I figured I got a reject here but what the heck, maybe there's a contest and I've won something. I will dig out my older BH stuff and try to post a review here much to the enjoyment of all. You can start smiling now. >as for rob's plea for curve and slowdive, i got curve's _blindfold_ ep >as well. yip! not *that* grungy (well, grungy in a british kind of way So is it true that Kate Bush is singing/doin' keyboards for them? You of all people should know. If not, who's the impersonator? Not that I'm complaining, mind you. Anyway, I have "Blindfold" and "Frozen". Neither are grungy in any sense of the word but if you like Lush/Cock-toes Twins you might take a hankering to Curve, and maybe the Chapterhouse LP, which is a little grungy. >other release (um, _frozen_ i think is the name) is rather flaccid. No, I think "Frozen" is the better of the two. Much better production. Less on the grungy side, but still berry berry goot. Lastly, zee punk-list man t Viikari asks: >---Gimmie a good description on Godflesh. > Should I give 'em a try? , Oh yeah. I'm not big on the label thing but I know why they call this grindcore. Slow dirgy bass-heavy crunch songs like Trouble or old Celtic Frost or really heavy Black Sabbath. Way-distorted vox ala Skinny Puppy, but much meaner sounding. Drum machine, totally undancable, heavy heavy slow beats only. Makes my heart slow way down and I grunge around my living room like a freezing dinosaur. Grindcore. Grind-core. Grrrr. Good music to chew ice to. Good stuff. New EP "Slavestate" due out at the end of summer according to hk lang. Already out on import here, in Europe on Earache. SubPop "Slateman" single due at the end of August. Zowie wowie. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not fake my way through life. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 91 14:01:47 EDT From: i might as well be you Subject: Re: GodDreamyCurveBeatFleshNeurosurgeon Happening my neurosurgeon spake: >Okay, okay, I'm as guilty as the next guy. I'm dead. Maybe we should hire >some grunge list cheerleaders? yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay grunge! >So is it true that Kate Bush is singing/doin' keyboards for them? You of >all people should know. If not, who's the impersonator? Not that I'm >complaining, mind you. um, no. i've forgotten her name though...i will check for thee tonight (i've got it written down somewhere at home, but not on the ep cover). >Good music to chew ice to. crunch crunch. is it true that chewing ice is supposed to be a indicator of sexual frustration? that's what a friend of mine's mother told me. woj _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 91 16:44:29 -0400 From: Eric Rickin Subject: Re: Geez... are we all dead? Since this is dead, I'll post a question: Anyone like Screaming Trees? I just recently found them via the college music chart. -- ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu (Eric Rickin) SIG file under construction. Air Sununu Frequent Flyer Club Member _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1991 09:01:20 EDT From: Ron Rader Subject: Sexual frustration As I speak, there's this weird thrash cover of that 70's classic "Dancin' In The Moonlight" playing on the radio. And I thought I was the only one clever enough to come up with that idea. I suppose someone's already done a hardcore cover of that song that used to be on Sesame Street, the one that went: (deep voice) Mmuhh nnuhh mmuhh nnuhh (light voice) Doo doo, doo doo doo (deep) Mmuhh nnuhh mmuhh nnuhh (light) Doo doo doo doo etc. Anyway, woj chimed in: > is it true that chewing ice is supposed to be a indicator of sexual > frustration? that's what a friend of mine's mother told me. Sounds like yer pal's mom wanted to make you the first motherfucker on the block, woj. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1991 08:49:00 EST From: JJT7927%RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Geez... are we all dead? Screaming Trees, oh yes, yes, yes, oh yes... Hey you got me all excited now. Yes, I like the Screaming Trees very much so. Their newest LP, "Uncle Anesthesia:, is very good. It ranks with the quality of their last one, which I forgot the name to. Both are very good and I'd recommend both highly to compliment any grunge collection. Wow, this is a boring message, isn't it? Well, check it out. THe cover art work is real cool too. Joe _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1991 10:08:39 EDT From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Screaming Trees and Chewing Ice Eric Rickin comes forth and queries: >Since this is dead, I'll post a question: Anyone like Screaming Trees? and Joe Tunis replies: >Hey you got me all excited now. Yes, I like the Screaming Trees very much so. >Their newest LP, "Uncle Anesthesia:, is very good. It ranks with the quality >of their last one, which I forgot the name to. Both are very good and I'd >recommend both highly to compliment any grunge collection. Wow, this is a The last album was "Buzz Factory", and before that was "Even If and Especially When", both on SST. There was also a SubPop release of a double-7" pack, which is their very best stuff IMHO. There's two or more albums previous to these, but I don't have them. Plus a cut on the SubPop 200 compilation which is an excellent cover of Hendrix's "Love or Confusion?". As much as I hate to disagree with carrot-heads like Joe, I feel that "Uncle" doesn't quite compare to "Buzz Factory". At first I really thought "Uncle" blew but it's grown on me now that I've gotten used to the clean production. Overall though, it lacks the balls and grunge that makes "Buzz" such a classic in my mind. I do agree that I would recommend both readily. I recently picked up Mark Laneghan's (lead vocals) solo album on SubPop and I can see where the new sound comes from. If you're looking for grunge, stay away from this one, although I think it's a pretty good album for what he's trying to do. There are plans for another solo, so perhaps the Trees' days are numbered. Mark Pickeral (their drummer) left the group after "Uncle" was released because he didn't want to go on a national tour. Soundgarden's previous bass player, Hiro Yok-a-something (I can't remember), who also left his band for similar reasons, has joined Mark and some other Seattle musicians in a new band called "Truth" or "The Truth", or something similar (Jon?). News has it that Mark will still be playing with them in the studio on the next LP. Currently Dan Peters from Mudhoney is playing the drums for the Trees on tour, and when he's done with that he'll be off with the Mudboyz on their tour to support "Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge". then I Might As Well Be Woj spoke up: >>Okay, okay, I'm as guilty as the next guy. I'm dead. Maybe we should hire >>some grunge list cheerleaders? >yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay grunge! Sorry, your legs are too hairy. Or is that... never mind. Next. >>So is it true that Kate Bush is singing/doin' keyboards for Curve? You of >um, no. i've forgotten her name though...i will check for thee tonight >(i've got it written down somewhere at home, but not on the ep cover). Well? I'm very interested. You have to admit that their voices are very similiar. Perhaps only us un-snobby KaTefans can hear this though. ;) It sounds even more so on their latest EP, "Frozen". >>Good music to chew ice to. >is it true that chewing ice is supposed to be a indicator of sexual >frustration? that's what a friend of mine's mother told me. Yes. Does she chew ice too? And is she single? Can't review my old Beat Happening LPs since I have them packed away somewhere. I will try to dig up the address to K Records so anyone interested can get their catalog/newsletter and even write Calvin and Heather and Joey themselves! Whee! Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not fake my way through life. Unless I'm faking this. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1991 12:34:12 EDT From: Jeff Tucker Subject: husker? any word on what bob mould is up to? or grant hart ? has anyone heard any of grant hart's albums? or anything about husker du? _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1991 09:38:50 PDT From: 56 Subject: Misc. Corrections > Mark Pickeral (their drummer) left the group after "Uncle" was released > because he didn't want to go on a national tour. Soundgarden's previous bass > player, Hiro Yok-a-something (I can't remember), who also left his band for > similar reasons, has joined Mark and some other Seattle musicians in a new > band called "Truth" or "The Truth", or something similar (Jon?). News has it > that Mark will still be playing with them in the studio on the next LP. > Currently Dan Peters from Mudhoney is playing the drums for the Trees on tour, > and when he's done with that he'll be off with the Mudboyz on their tour to > support "Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge". Hiro Yamamoto, I think. Yes, Mark, Hiro, Robert-from a 1989 Seattle pop band that never recorded called Storybook Crooks, and Chris Quinn formed a band called "Truly". They've played a few shows in Seattle, but don't expect much toruing! Neither Mark nor HIro are interested in touring, and hence their departures from relatively successful bands. Mudhoney will be in Great Britain in August, and will miss the International Pop Music Convention in Olympia, which will be the mini-Woodstock of the 90's. They will tour the US in September with Gas Huffer, an excellent Seattle punk-rockabilly-grunge band featuring Tom Price rom U-men infamy, and are likely to visit your town. BE sure to go and get your tickets quick. The soon-to-be released "..Fudge" LP has really great songs on it, implementing keyboards and harmonica. Unfortunately, the keyboards will not be touring with them, which would be really great. They opened for Aldo Nova on SUnday in a free outdoors concert, and as you can guess, the thousands of people who showed up were there only to see Mudhoney, and they kicked butt! The guitar is simply amazing. Mark needs a haircut, though. > > >>Good music to chew ice to. Sexual frustration? On this list? Arne't we all in major rock bands so we can score on babes? = :) > Can't review my old Beat Happening LPs since I have them packed away somewhere. > I will try to dig up the address to K Records so anyone interested can get > their catalog/newsletter and even write Calvin and Heather and Joey themselves! It's Brett, not Joey. Incidentally, if anyone will be in the Seattle vicinity between Aug. 21 - 25 I can get you registration information on how to attend "Calvin-fest", at which Shonen Knife, Thee Headcoats, the Melvins, The Mummies, and tons more fantastic bands form around the world will be playing and just hangin- out. oh, and Fugazi will be there too. E-mail me for registration information. II II II "DEATH NEEDS TIME II nuit@milton.u.washington.edu II FOR WHAT IT KILLS II Seattle WA USA II TO GROW IN" II (206) 328-2156 II II _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ From: the love that whirls Subject: no grunge here bobby mould just did an acoustic set last night at the knitting factory, but i didn't go cos i didn't want to. not really sure what he is up to either as far as a new album is concerned. re: chewing ice...somehow, the comment about the motherfucker doesn't hold true with this woman, boys and girls. but anyways.... no more news. so i shall shut up. woj _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1991 09:52:06 -0700 From: ramaley%CSLI.STANFORD.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Screaming Trees and Chewing Ice A recent message gave me the idea that this is a rather seattlecentric alias. Being a Northwesterner (Portland, to be exact), and also having access to KZSU's mailing lists (90.1 fm, bay area), I'm pleased to present a Seattle directory. Tab-delinated, of course, and an extra return between each line; don't worry about what's under the 'Mail?' column. Whatever you think it is, it isn't. Oh, and since Backlash recently folded, I don't know what you'll get if you mail them anything. "type? (r=record label, s=record store, cs=college station, p=promotion organization, m=magazine/fanzine, f=foreign address, c=club)" Mail? company address city state zip phone # rep. T M C A C S Z # r no M.D. 1422 21st Ave. Seattle WA 98122 206-726-8726 Andrea Chang r \2 Morphius Records PO Box 46166 Seattle WA 98146 r \yes Nastymix Records 1809 7th Ave. Seattle WA 98101 206-292-8772 Nes Rodriguez r \2 Necessity Records 4710 University Way NE Seattle WA 98105 r \2 New Rage Records PO Box 85571 Seattle WA 98145 206-632-3664 r \2 Overkill Records P. O. Box 20224 Seattle WA 98102 r \yes PopLlama Records P.O. Box 95364 Seattle WA 98145 206-527-8816 Conrad Uno r \2 Princeton Records 5737 So. Prentice Seattle WA 98178 r \2 Silence Records "1206 E. Pike, Suite 671" Seattle WA 98122 206-524-7311 r \yes Sub Pop Records 1932 1st Ave. #1103 Seattle WA 98101 206-441-8441 Dave Rosencrans m \yes Backlash 4128 Fremont Ave. N. Seattle WA 98103 r \2 Battery Records PO Box 21281 Seattle WA 98111 r \2 Black Label Records 1506 East Olive Way Seattle WA 98122 r \2 Blow Valve Records 959 Harrison St. #120 Seattle WA 98109 r \yes C/Z 1407 E. Madison #41 Seattle WA 98122 206-323-4569 Daniel r \2 Cruddy Records 501 N. 36th St. #157 Seattle WA 98103 r \2 Empty Records PO Box 12034 Seattle WA 98102 206-325-3775 r \2 Green Monkey Records P. O. 31983 Seattle WA 98103 206-284-2349 r \2 GSL Records 12345 Lake City Way N.E. #245 Seattle WA 98125 r \2 Knifeman Records PO Box 19735 Seattle WA 98109 -- Alan Aitken Ramaley (415) 326-9546, P. O. Box 9217, Stanford, CA 94309 Intern (soon to be coterm), Genentech Aquarius _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1991 09:56:46 -0700 From: ramaley%CSLI.STANFORD.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In message <9107111603.AA06425@Csli.Stanford.EDU> you write: > >I suppose someone's already done >a hardcore cover of that song that used to be on Sesame Street, the one that >went: > > (deep voice) Mmuhh nnuhh mmuhh nnuhh > (light voice) Doo doo, doo doo doo > (deep) Mmuhh nnuhh mmuhh nnuhh > (light) Doo doo doo doo The name of the song is 'Electric Playground', and I know because when I played rental saxophone in 7th grade we did the tune for a school concert. 'Sunny day, chasin' the... clouds awaaaaay' -- Alan Aitken Ramaley (415) 326-9546, P. O. Box 9217, Stanford, CA 94309 Intern (soon to be coterm), Genentech Aquarius _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1991 12:03:00 EST From: JJT7927%RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: no veggies Ok, I kinda agree with that converse-wearin, Thrill Kill Kult-listenin, geek-o-rama down at Cornell. I do like Buzz Factory alot, but Uncle Anesthesia does rank up there. I think Vaughn-man is living in the past. On to new news, does Mud Honey have a new one out or coming out? I like their one with "You Got It" and "Touch Me, Im Sick". Great album to drive recklessly to. Rob the all knowing should be able to answer this question, heh? heh? Tell me. Hey, did anyone hear about the new grungy band up in ROchester, NY. I hear they're pretty good. I'm not really sure of their name. I'll try to find out. Joe _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1991 13:20:03 EST From: Lee Watkins Subject: Re: husker? >any word on what bob mould is up to? he's doing an acoustic tour with a bunch of new songs right now. I might catch his show in Baltimore this month if possible. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1991 14:36:00 PDT From: 56 Subject: Good Sub Pop stuff 8-Way Santa by Tad is a pretty good record, pretty hard and heavy and indicated by the preceding singles. "3-D Witch Hunt", not on a single, is a great melodic song, more along the lines of Dinosaur Jr. "Jack Pepsi" is an interesting and good song. In all, good heavy grunge. The new Mudhoney will be very good, likely their best yet, and watch fer their full U.S. tour with Gas Huffer! SubPop just signed the SupesSuckers, who are from Seattle and are really great rock/punk. The SP Think White Rop single of the Stooges' "LIttle Doll" is great, though it has the typical poor live-show production. Beat Happening recently released a 25-song 1983-1987 or so CD/LP of all their old cult hits, well worth picking up. Nirvana's new album will be out in August, and it's SO DAMN GOOD I CAN'T WAIT. My god, it' fucking brilliant and intense. \ / o o ~ --- _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1991 14:40:29 PDT From: 56 Subject: Seattle Directory Thanks for the directory. Backlash magazine went under a few months ago, and much of its staff formed a new rag called Hype, with a better format and more interesting articles, interviews, and reviews mostly of NW stuff and personalities. Look for it! _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1991 15:23:04 -0700 From: ramaley%CSLI.STANFORD.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Seattle Directory You're welcome for the list. I'm wondering though, did other people get it? Because I never got a copy back. Maybe this list works differently than others, but I'm used to getting a copy back. Would someone who knows the Way of the List (tm) fill me in? --Alan _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1991 22:04:15 -0400 From: Eric Rickin Subject: Re: Geez... are we all dead? >Screaming Trees, oh yes, yes, yes, oh yes... > >Hey you got me all excited now. Yes, I like the Screaming Trees very much so. >Their newest LP, "Uncle Anesthesia:, is very good. It ranks with the quality >of their last one, which I forgot the name to. Both are very good and I'd >recommend both highly to compliment any grunge collection. Wow, this is a >boring message, isn't it? Well, check it out. THe cover art work is real cool >too. WHAT? WHAT? You forgot their other album name? Does anyone have a discography of Screaming Trees? I recently bought "Uncle" (Believe it or not, I "Discovered" them via the College charts of 120 Minutes on eMpTyV!) and I LOVE Uncle. I can listen to it over and over again, and if another album is BETTER, it will be amazing. It took me quite a search to get Uncle, so the others must be hell. Are they all out on Sony? You would figure that if they are on a major label, they should be given a lot of exposure. From what I hear, Sony is using Uncle as a test. If it sells well, they'll give them money and back them well. So, go buy Uncle! -- ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu (Eric Rickin) SIG file under construction. Air Sununu Frequent Flyer Club Member _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1991 22:43:14 EDT From: woj Subject: the singer for curve her name is toni halliday. if i am not mistaken, she was the personage that did the backup vocals on _shaken and stirred_ and _now and zen_ by robert plant. she's also got a solo album out somewhere if memory serves, but i do recall thinking that i was not impressed with it. i am *not* a snobby KaTefan. ied is a snobby KaTefan. woj@play _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1991 23:30:50 EDT From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Perpasexualtashun Mouldhartness Me again, folks, Forsooth! My big mouth has got people talking again. Invite me to your parties. Get me drunk and watch me babble. Blah blah blah. Ron Rader blarbs: >clever enough to come up with that idea. I suppose someone's already done >a hardcore cover of that song that used to be on Sesame Street, the one that >went: Hah! I don't know if anyone's covered it, but I had thought it would make a great cover too. I might lose some of the effect without the big deep voiced head and the little dancing guy, though. How's about a remake of that Muppets Movie song, "Moving' Right Along"? Also, 'Electric Playground' is the theme music to Sesame Street, which is not the one I think Ron was talking about. It might make for a better cover version though, since it has real lyrics and all. 56 corrects: >to go and get your tickets quick. The soon-to-be released "..Fudge" LP >has really great songs on it, implementing keyboards and harmonica. >Unfortunately, the keyboards will not be touring with them, which would Keyboards!? Keyboards!? Oh no! Are the Mudguyz the next Bon Jovi? I can't even begin to imagine. Well, I've ordered the album already so it's just a matter of time. >> their catalog/newsletter and even write Calvin and Heather and Joey >It's Brett, not Joey. Oops. A friend of mine named Joey has a girlfriend named Heather. Mistake by association. My apologies to Brett. Joe Tunis flab-a-gabs: >Ok, I kinda agree with that converse-wearin, Thrill Kill Kult-listenin, >geek-o-rama down at Cornell. I do like Buzz Factory alot, but Uncle Anesthesi >does rank up there. I think Vaughn-man is living in the past. A high-tech, cutting edge dude like me living in the past? Nah. I finally bought a CD player a couple of weeks ago, no? Anyway, SubPop has released the Screaming Trees double-single on CD now with an extra tune. I would recommend this more than either album, if one can find it. Got that, sonny? (Back in my days we didn't have no uncle anesthesia... and we liked it!) >me. Hey, did anyone hear about the new grungy band up in ROchester, NY. I >hear they're pretty good. I'm not really sure of their name. I'll try to >find out. Something like "FleshFiend" or "FlushFriend" or something like that, I think. Jeff Tucker questions: >any word on what bob mould is up to? or grant hart ? has anyone heard >any of grant hart's albums? or anything about husker du? Bob Mould's been touring solo and acoustic. Nothing to support his most recent release "Blacksheets of Rain", which wasn't too bad an album. Well, maybe tolerable is a better way of putting it. His first solo, "Workbook" or something like that, is one of the albums that strikes me as being bad enough to want to sell but not quite. Something about it is appealing and there's some good moments, but every time I listen to it I have to force myself not to nuke it until the final song. It's basically Bob singing emotional love/hurt/pain songs, about a chick or Grant Hart or both. Ick. Hart has some solo stuff too. I have his LP, "Intolerance", and I think it just sucks, in the same way Mould's first LP does. I avoided the "2541" EP and the single from the album. I have not heard any of the Nova Mob stuff but I've been wary of it. After reading the interview with Hart in _Alternative Press_ I've decided that he's way too much of an ego-maniac for my liking. Asshole may also be a good term. Mould comes across as being much more polite, civilized, professional, etc. Too bad I like the Husker songs Hart wrote much better, and his voice too. Oh well. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not make flatulent noises in class. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1991 11:14:22 +0300 From: t Viikari Subject: Re: GodDreamyCurveBeatFleshNeurosurgeon Happening Thanks, Rob, for yer description of GodFlesh. I mgiht even check'em out some time. -t _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1991 08:13:49 EDT From: figure in black Subject: Sesame street song Concerning "Electric Playground" - a local band here in gainesville florida called No.2 does a hardcore cover of this. They're a fun blend of punk rockabi lly and metal, I guess. They've recently relocated to jacksonville, but guitari st Mike Hagar is in the process of starting gainesville's first (I think) and only record label Bullethead records. This will hopefully be a vehicle to give gainesville's diverse music scene some wider attention. Don't count on ever seeing No.2 because they've never toured further than Auburn or Atlanta. Perhaps this is all about to change due to the big move and Bullethead. I will write again if it looks like bullethead has come together, but I'll being death ly silent if not. Things this cool have a way of not working out here in flori da. Mo Megalomania _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1991 22:08:13 -0400 From: Eric Rickin Subject: Re: Screaming Trees and Chewing Ice >As much as I hate to disagree with carrot-heads like Joe, I feel that "Uncle" >doesn't quite compare to "Buzz Factory". At first I really thought "Uncle" >blew but it's grown on me now that I've gotten used to the clean production. >Overall though, it lacks the balls and grunge that makes "Buzz" such a >classic in my mind. I do agree that I would recommend both readily. Question: The old Screaming Trees sounds most like what cut off of Uncle? -- ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu (Eric Rickin) SIG file under construction. Air Sununu Frequent Flyer Club Member _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1991 09:03:00 EST From: JJT7927%RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Perpasexualtashun Mouldhartness Aa Joe states: #>me. Hey, did anyone hear about the new grungy band up in ROchester, NY. I #>hear they're pretty good. I'm not really sure of their name. I'll try to #>find out. Vaughn-man: >Something like "FleshFiend" or "FlushFriend" or something like that, I think. Yo man, I heard these guys last night during one of their practice sessions. They jam really close to where I live. The actual name is _fieldfresh_. Last night they didn't have their singer but had a drummer, guitarist, and bassist. After a while they switched instruments. That was cool, most of them play atleast two instruments. They're all students at RIT(Rochester Inst. of Tech.) and just got together a couple of months ago. I'll keep you guys updated on any new news. Joe _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1991 09:35:26 PDT From: 56 Subject: Re: Perpasexualtashun Mouldhartness Believe me, Mudhoney's keyboards are not to be feared. They used an old Contessa 96 organ thing, which Steve picked up in a Goodwill for $20 and which is now sitting in my apartment awaiting a practice space to turn up for my new *surf band*. It's by no menas a bon Jovi type thing, I may have been misleading with the word "keyboard": it's an ORGAN! _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1991 13:28:50 -0400 From: "Michael J. Wohlgemuth" Subject: Re: Sesame street song JOSCHMI@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu writes... >Concerning "Electric Playground" - a local band here in gainesville florida >called No.2 does a hardcore cover of this. They're a fun blend of punk >rockabilly and metal, I guess. Wow... I didn't think anyone else from Hogtown was on this list. No. 2 is one of my favorite bands ever from this town. >They've recently relocated to jacksonville, but guitarist Mike Hagar >is in the process of starting gainesville's first (I think) and >only record label Bullethead records. Well the band hasn't relocated anywhere, just pretty much stopped. However, if we can make it thru the summer slack time, BulletHead will be releasing a 7" ep by Strong Box (another damn fine G'ville band) any day now. We've got 1,000 of them over at Mike's house right now. All we're waiting on is the sleeves. >Perhaps this is all about to change due to the big move and Bullethead. >I will write again if it looks like bullethead has come together, >but I'll being deathly silent if not. Things this cool have a way of >not working out here in florida. Well, it'll probably work out ok, just tell all your friends to buy 2 copies of everything =8^). Anyway, when we gete it all together, Dutch East is going to distribute 200 of the Strong Box, so everyone out there should be able to get a copy. We will also do mail order, but haven't gotten that ready yet. We are also compiling a list of radio stations, magazines, clubs, etc. that would be good places to send promo copies to. Places in the southeast would be best, but we're not that picky. If anyone knows any good ones, let me know. Woogie P.S. Does anybody in Seatle know Bret Olson? He is drumming for a band there last I heard. If you know him, tell him I said hi, & let me know what he's up to. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1991 10:44:38 -0700 From: ramaley%CSLI.STANFORD.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Sesame street song Well, if I were you, I'd add KZSU to your mailing list. We're at P. O. Box B, Stanford, CA 94309, and we love independent 45's. Could you share yr address, so I can add you to our mailing list? Oh, and, if you want, I've got a 1000-plus entry database of record labels in tab-deliniated format. Just say the word, and I'll send it to you. -- Alan Aitken Ramaley (415) 326-9546, P. O. Box 9217, Stanford, CA 94309 Intern (soon to be coterm), Genentech Aquarius _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1991 09:03:44 EDT From: Ron Rader Subject: Fumbuck Nightmare Rob refers to my recent list-emoted desire to do a cover of that funky Sesame Street 'muh nuh muh nuh' song, which nobody knows the name for: > Also, 'Electric Playground' is the theme music to Sesame Street, which is > not the one I think Ron was talking about. It might make for a better cover > version though, since it has real lyrics and all. Yup, yer right agin Robbie ol pal. Wernt referin to the SS theme. The thing is, just imagine the hilarious audience sing-along that I'd be able to pull off in public with this thing. Everyone raised on Sesame Street (just about every- one under 30 at this point) knows the thing, for crissakes. It would blow that Closer To The Heart Rush thing away. Let alone Freebird. How about a blistering rendition of 'muh nuh muh nuh' at the Berlin Wall. Roger Waters, eat your heart out! > Anyway, SubPop has released > the Screaming Trees double-single on CD now with an extra tune. I would > recommend this more than either album, if one can find it. Oh boy! Gotta go check this out, I never seem to get out of the used section at the CD stores, so I miss out on the cool new stuff. Will take the recom- mendation in hand. It ain't grungy, but I recently got Fishbone's latest 'Reality Of My Surroundings.' Can't recommend this puppy enough. Good drunken anger music. Plus about four renditions of "If I Were A ..., I'd ..." which are perfect for pissing your Moral Majority and/or yupscum neighbors off. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1991 14:27:57 EDT From: Figure in black Subject: not just another gator Infuckingcredible! A fellow hogster, as well as a NO.2 head. (mjw@eng.ufl.edu) Thanks for the correction on the band's current status. Someone had told me Jon (bassist) had moved away and that the band had followed. But you know how rumors go in this town (remember the murders?). I hadn't seen the band for awhile (I dropped out of the scene, you know, a dropout) until the Bullethead benefit at the now deceased Club Demo (with STRONGBOX and SCHLONG). Are they really no more? I would assume Michael knows more about this than I, but the word I've heard is that the STRONBBOX record will be followed by an ep by SCHLONG - perhaps some of gainesville's most visceral grunge. I like STRONGBOX as much as I like any gainesville band - but SCHLONG is what it's all about. Gross offensive SABBATH like power riffs with Chuck screeching into the mike while being thrown around on top of the crowd. Wow. Good luck with Bullethead. Please send out anything and everything you can on the label. Plug it. Force it down our throats. Make money. Please. Figure in black _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1991 21:07:00 CDT From: TBUCK%KNOX.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Sun Ra information needed.... Greetings, I am gathering information for an undergraduate honors research project concerning the free-form jazz musician, Sun Ra. I believe that Sun Ra has been a significant figure in the jazz world and I hope to develop a better understanding of both his music and philosophy. I plan to write a biographical history with a list of known recordings including a discussion of their merits and availability. This project is in its preliminary research stages and I have only been able to find a small handful of books with any significant information about Sun Ra. I've also found references to a couple hundred magazine articles. Unfortunately most are likely to be record reviews. (I'll soon be trying to order them through the interlibrary loan system) If you have *any* of the following kinds of information, please don't hesitate to drop me a note, either by direct electronic mail or through the postal system. If you could also pass this note on to anyone who might be able to help me in my quest, I would greatly appreciate it. Here is how you can help. I'm looking for.... 1) Any recordings, especially those on Ra's own private record label, Saturn Records. I am interested in either cassette tape duplicates of Sun Ra recordings you might own, or purchasing any recordings you might be willing to part with. I already own the following on CD or LP: Blue Delight, 1989 Cosmic Equation Dancing Shadows, 1966 Live At Montreux, 1976 Live At The Pit-Inn, Tokyo, 1988 Out There A Minute, late 1960's Reflections In Blue, 1986 Purple Night, 1990 The Solar Myth Approach, 1971 Sun Song, 1957 Visions (Walt Dickerson with Sun Ra), 1978 We Are In The Future, 1961 I have cassette duplicates of the following LP's, but would like to purchase original copies if possible. I also need information off album jackets such as liner notes, song titles, recording dates, or musician lineups, as well as record catalog numbers and the addresses of any record companies for which Sun Ra has recorded. Astro Black God Is More Than Love The Heliocentric Worlds of Sun Ra, vol. 2 It's After The End Of The World Lanquidity, 1978 The Magic City Media Dreams Omniverse On Jupiter Pictures Of Infinity Sleeping Beauty Solo Piano, vol. 1 2) Books or magazine articles about Sun Ra, any books with significant information about him, or interviews with him. 3) Books or other sources containing *any* of Sun Ra's poetry. 4) Any other information I might find useful such as sources for first person interviews, contacts that would have more information, or people that would have more contacts. Anything that you think might lead to something useful. 5) Any information about grants for this type of research. I hope to do field research in Philadelphia, Chicago and New York--the three cities in which Sun Ra has been based during his career. 6) Personal recollections of Sun Ra concerts. If you've seen him and his Arkestra perform live, I want to hear from you! Adva(thanx)nce. Happy Trails and Later Days.... Thomas J. Buck Tom Box 306 - Knox College "Sound Can Move Planets" Galesburg, Illinois 61401 - Sun Ra - _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1991 13:57:22 EDT From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Trees \& Puppets \& Organs, oh my! A tidbit of information for y'all, from USA Today: For an official World Wiffle Ball Assoc. rules handbook write: WWBA, P.O. Box 1139, Hanover Mass 02339 Be the first on your block. If Godflesh tickles your fancy, you might want to check out Treponem Pal on Roadracer Records. They're from Zurich, Switzerland, and they've got a good, grindy heavy sound, in a similar vein with the Godboyz but different enough to make it an interesting listen. Real drums too. I wondered why SST released that stupid Meat Puppets "Greatest Hits" double album thing a while back, and now I know. They've got a new album out on London Records (actually, CD and cassette only) called "Forbidden Place" with another interesting oil painting cover. I only heard the first two tracks off it, and although they were pretty catchy, they weren't as grungy/hard as some of their earlier work. I would have scarfed it but I'm currently trying to stick to my self-imposed record diet, although certain friends of mine are making it difficult. SST? Geez, they haven't put out jack-shit worth having for years now, but have successfully milked every great band they've ever had. These "Greatest Hits" compilations of late are pathetic. That and the fact that they've never, ever filled a mail order of mine correctly has made me avoid them like the plague. Too bad. It does explain why the last of their decent bands are splitting for other pastures. Exby will be glad to hear that I finally got my grubby little hands on a copy of the Sonic Youth bootleg "Hold That Tiger" which was recorded in Chicago on the "Sister" tour. One of the best boots I've picked up in a while. Although the recording level is somewhat low, the quality is most excellent. The whole deal smacks of Albini though, including his name on the "credits." Also got Thinking Feller's Union Local #282, "Lovelyville". So far it sounds like a bunch of kids noodling around, but I'll give it a real review once I've listened to it a few times. Doesn't strike me as being very grungy or very "Sonic Youth-influenced" which are two ways it was described to me. On a more important note, 56 mumbles: >8-Way Santa by Tad is a pretty good record, pretty hard and heavy and I recently broke down and bought "Salt Lick". Very good, heavy stuff, especially if you like 4-by-4's. Tad never impressed me too much until "8-way". I'd also recommend the Nirvana stuff and the Fluid stuff, of course. Then again, I recommend almost anything on SubPop. As much as people like to try to associate a "sound" with the label I really think they're as diverse as any of the majors. Compare The Dwarves to The Walkabouts, for instance. >Believe me, Mudhoney's keyboards are not to be feared. They used an >old Contessa 96 organ thing, which Steve picked up in a Goodwill for $20 >and which is now sitting in my apartment awaiting a practice space to >turn up for my new *surf band*. It's by no menas a bon Jovi type thing, >I may have been misleading with the word "keyboard": it's an ORGAN! Ahh. Shwew. . You had me scared for a second there. An organ I can handle. Harmonica too. I had visions of these disco-dancin' clean-cut Mudboyz doing Sat. Nite Fever covers. Of course, I've already ordered the album so I'm stuck whichever way they go. Erick Rickin asks: >>Overall though, it lacks the balls and grunge that makes "Buzz" such a >>classic in my mind. I do agree that I would recommend both readily. >Question: The old Screaming Trees sounds most like what cut off of >Uncle? After a cursory listen, I'd have to compare it to tracks (1) Beyond The Horizon, (4) Story Of Her Fate, (8) Something About Today, or (12) Ocean Of Confusion. Definitely the more rocking, electric tracks. If you really go for the slower, more "feeling" numbers, you'd be better off checking out Mark Lanegan's solo on SubPop. Ron Rader opins: > Yup, yer right agin Robbie ol pal. Wernt referin to the SS theme. The >thing is, just imagine the hilarious audience sing-along that I'd be able >to pull off in public with this thing. Everyone raised on Sesame Street >(just about everyone under 30 at this point) knows the thing, for crissakes. >It would blow that Closer To The Heart Rush thing away. Let alone Freebird. I can imagine. Best part is people don't realize they know they tune until they start humming it. I was in a bar near Greenwich Vil a couple of weekends ago when a friend did the "Muh num mah numm". Couldn't help but follow with the corresponding part. Had a bunch of people in the bar humming it in no time, much to their surprise. Heh. Group control. Rob _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ From: the love that whirls Subject: treponem pal and the puppets Rob Vaughn sez: >If Godflesh tickles your fancy, you might want to check out Treponem Pal on >Roadracer Records. well, blow me over and knock me down. *i* was going to mention them this morning. one of my friends who still is in school sent me about 60 cds and 40 lps to review over the summer for the radio station she works for and snuggled in amongst the cds was that very same tape. metalish, but in a good, grindy way. the vocalist is pretty decent too - screech screech screech. and yes, the drums are real. >I wondered why SST released that stupid Meat Puppets "Greatest Hits" double >album thing a while back, and now I know. They've got a new album out on >London Records (actually, CD and cassette only) called "Forbidden Place" yeah. i heard a few tracks off it too, and have to agree. but, i did like what i heard. may have to break down and buy the cd. sigh...some bands were not made to be played on cds though. hell, most bands weren't. well, shit. aren't i just reactive this morning. woj _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1991 11:41:45 -0400 From: Ian Koss /ADVISOR Baggs Subject: Gainesville bands... Could someone please put me in contact with the bands mentioned in conjunction with Bullethead Records, out of Gainesville? I publish a Central Florida new music magazine, and am looking for local/Florida material to review... Ian Koss rcs62697@zach.fit.edu _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1991 21:57:58 MDT From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: godfl mega-rel Ok, monseur Earle and myself cooked up the latest Godflesh release in all its glory. here it is since I KNOW you all care a great deal. still: Trax here gets ONE CD FUKIN copy, sells it, wont special reorder for me, tells me to check back every week or so. fuk em. I need a place that delivers. ======================= >White album cover - Godflesh on top in gray 12" ep Slavestate remixes Aha! The plot sickens!! My experience at Lou's: (1) I see the "Slavestate" 12". This one has a green/yellow/shades of ??? cover (identical background on both sides). The back side has the 7 tracks listing on it, each one numbered on the left edge; some of the song titles are in a larger font than others (tHeY sOrTA are mixed together like that). (2) I then see the "Slateman" CD single, the one with only 2 tracks on it (Slateman/Wound '91). This "Slateman" CD single has a gray and white cover, with a live photo of the band on it as I recall. (3) I then finally spy the "Slavestate" CD. It has the exact same cover as the 12" EP I saw in (1), except that the 7 titles from (1) on the back are squished together more in order to make room for #8 and #9 ("8 Slateman" is in particularly large lettering). So, we now know that there are at least 4 different releases out there. Let's posit that there is another 12" EP analogous to yours that is not called "Slavestate Remixes", and it has the other 4 songs that are on the 12" and CD that I saw. Then we'd have (1) "Slavestate" 12" (4 tracks) (Conjecture) (2) "Slavestate Remixes" 12" (3 tracks) (3) "Slavestate" `Mega' 12" (7 tracks) == (1) + (2) (4) "Slateman/Wound '91" CD single (2 tracks) (5) "Slateman/Wound '91" 7" Sub-Pop single (2 tracks) == (4) (6) "Slavestate" CD (9 tracks) == (1) + (2) + (4) *Whew* ::j fire...walk with me Hi Guys. I just got a promo information package in the mail from Silver Management. Susan Silver Manages some of the bigger grunge bands on the market today as well as some not so grungy Seattle bands. Below is a transcript of what I received: Page 1, and 2: ALICE IN CHAINS " So far, it's been a busy year for the ALICE boys! Having recently completed their month long U.K. and European stint with MEGADEATH, and THE ALMIGHTY, ALICE IN CHAINS spent a few breif weeks at home, in which they filmed their performance of "Would" for the upcoming Cameron Crowe movie "Singles". The song, written about Andy Wood, will appear on the soundtrack to the movie which will coincide with the movie's release in early 1992. By now, most of you have probably realized the ALICE IN CHAINS' second single, "Man in the box" has been released and is getting mega-airplay. The video for the song is also currently being played on MTV's Buzz Bin. Look for the third single and video, "Sea of Sorrow", out in early summer. In the "free goodies" department: with every purchase of ALICE IN CHAINS' "Facelift" (CD or Cassette), SONY is throwing in a copy of the band's live concert video. The Video not only has five live songs, but it includes both ALICE IN CHAINS videos. Unfortunately, the video is only available with the purchase of the CD or cassette, but if you use your head, you'll buy the album again just to get the video. Then of course, you could donate the album to your favorite charity. In the final news, by the time you get your greasy little fingers on this newsletter, ALICE IN CHAINS will have begun the "Clash of the Titans" tour in support of MEGADEATH, SLAYER, and ANTHRAX. From the looks of this line-up, if you miss the show you might as well hide from your friends. Be there!!" [the tour ended last Friday July 14th 1991] Page 3: SOUNDGARDEN " Since the last newsletter, SOUNDGARDEN has been busy writing material for their new second LP on A&M records. The band is currently at Bear Creek studio with Terry Date once again enlistedas the "producer guy". We can all ecpect the LP sometime in early fall. SOUNDGARDEN'S most recent release though, is the Video Sheet Metal interview, which is now available in stores for retail. Also captured on film for the movie, "Singles", was SOUNDGARDEN'S deafening live performance of their new song, "Birth Ritual", which will appear on the movie soundtrack. In the "Guitar-guru to Dugout-deity" department: Your pal and mine Kim Thayil has been living a baseball fan's wet dream. It seems Seattle Mariner's resident pitching stud, Randy Johnson, enjoys listening to SOUNDGARDEN and hanging around with Kim. Almost as much as baseball freak, Kim, and the rest of SOUNDGARDEN enjoy taking M's batting practice and attending home games at the "nice price". And last but not least, for the only true measure of success... SOUNDGARDEN has a Music Trading Card!! The cards are put out by Winterland Productions, and are available whereever you buy bubblegum and other fine products." [I have the SOUNDGARDEN and HANOI ROCKS cards!!!] Page 4: SCREAMING TREES " As most of you already know, SCREAMING TREES first major label LP "Uncle Anesthesia" was released in January 1991. The LP was produced by Terry Date, SCREAMING TREES, and Chris Cornel of SOUNDGARDEN. Other releases, in conjunction with the LP, have been an EP: "Something about today", which features two non-LP tracks and a single: "Bed of Roses". A video was filmed for "Bed of roses" and can be seen on MTV's 120 Minutes. No strangers to touring, the TREES are currently finnishing up a tour of the U.S. with DAS DAMEN. Their schedule should keep them busy until they hit the New Music Seminar in July. The newest member of the SCREAMING TREES is none other then MUDHONEY tub-master Dan Peters. Dan replaced Mark Pickerel, who is now playing drums in a new Seattle band with former SOUNDGARDEN bassist Hiro Yamamoto. Those of you lucky enough to see DINOSAUR JR. on their recent west coast jaunt may have noticed Van Conner (of the TREES) filling in on bass. In the "our van is upside-down in the middle-of-road department": The SCREAMING TREES had the misfortune of wrecking their equipment van in Wyoming this winter. Fortunately, neither Mark Lanegan nor the two crew members in the van were seriously injured. The rest of the guys were travelling in another van, which didn't roll!!" Page 5: MOTHER LOVE BONE/PEARL JAM " Former MOTHER LOVE BONE founders Jeff Ament and Stone Gossard have teamed up with Seattle guitarist Mike McCready and drummer Dave Krusen. San Diego native and displaced surfer Eddie Vedder rounds out the unit as vocalist and Bulls fan. The band, which is to be called PEARL JAM, recently finnished recording their LP for EPIC ASSOCIATED. A special three song EP will preceed the LP's release date - August 1991. The EP which will be given away at shows and through the fan club, features a BEATLES cover "I've Got a Feeling" Along with Originals "wash" and "Alive" Look for Jeff, Stone ans Eddie in the upcoming Cameron Crowe film "Singles". THey play in the fictional Seattle rock band CITIZEN DICK, with the outstanding lead vocalist - Matt DIllon (yes that Matt Dillon). Look for a prospective release date of the movie in spring of 1992. PEARL JAM will be leaving for Europe in early June to mix the record and do a breif tour. Then its back to the states to do the New Music Seminar in July. Look for PEARL JAM's first full length album release in August 1991; followed, of course, by many national and world tours." [You heard about this band first here under the name MOOKIE BLAYLOCK... I think] Page 6: TEMPLE OF THE DOG " With a year gone by since the passing of MOTHER LOVE BONE singer Andrew Wood, a hertfelt homage to a wonderful friend came in the form of the project TEMPLE OF THE DOG. Chris and Matt from SOUNDGARDEN and Stone, Jeff, Mike, and Eddy from PEARL JAM combined efforts and talent in a labor of love that is best described on the inner sleave of the record by none other than Jeff Ament himself: GREEN RIVER * SOUNDGARDEN * 80's Seattle bands making huge sounds * Friends one and all with similar interests * A gunuine respect for each other * Chris and Matt did things that amazed Stone and Jeff and vice versa * Life was begiving * They had many common friends, one being musician/entertainer Freddie prodigy Andrew Wood who lived with Chris, worked with Jeff, and played an occasional acoustic set with Stone * GREEN RIVER broke up and Andrew joined Stone and Jeff... MOTHER LOVE BONE * Life was great * SOUNDGARDEN made records, Touped, Packed hard, Flourished * MOTHER LOVE BONE made records, was on the verge of... and we all lost our beautiful friend, Andrew * The rest of us hung, told stories, helped each other * laughed, cried, life was confusing * Chris wrote two amaizing songs about Andy (Say Hello to heaven + Reach Down) and asked stone, Jeff, and Matt 2 record them * Yes * Life moves on * We jammed * Guitar wizard, master of animal sounds Mike came by * We did coffee, ate huge carcass-less meals with cyclops and drank with septiem and the other gods * Reeled in a 10 pounder... in a good way * 10 songs * Spontaneous * Creation, emotion * Very pleasing * Real music * No analyzing * No pressure * No hype * Just music to make music * Friends and a reason * Chemistry, beauty * Life rules! - James The project was released on A&M Records in April 1991 and will not be followed by a tour." The End. ALot of this is old news to you long time GRUNGE-L readers, but I figured I would show you what people in the real world are just finding out today! Jon --hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm uunet!ub!hilgreen --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. -- "Horniness is next to Holiness" _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1991 16:15:42 EDT From: Figure in black Subject: Clash of the Titans I caught the Clash of the Titans in Lakeland FL this past Sat. nite (7/16) and what a show! MEGADETH, as always, were scorching hot and utterly amazing. It's amazing what getting off smack will do for you. This was the first time I'd seen the rest of these bands, so here it is: ANTHRAX lived up to my expectatio ns as being rowdy and obnoxious as well as fast and furious. After security killed the crowds' enthusiasm during SLAYER, these boys whipped us up into a major wardance and mayhem. Most excellent. SLAYER was, well, silly but fun. It was really hard to make much of it out, can't say I'm a major fan, but I'd see them again (esp. w/ANTHRAX or MEGADETH). Oh yeah - ALICE IN CHAINS opened and gee these guys are losers. They spent their half hour onstage calling us faggots and playing redundant songs which brought back adolescent memories of RATT and QUIET RIOT. Needless to say, we speed metallers were quickly bored and began bombarding the stage with ice, burning cigarette packs, pennies, and just about anything else we could find to get these guys off the stage. Later, FIGURE IN BLACK EFILGNIKCUFECIN!!!!!!!!!!! _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1991 23:07:19 EDT From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Sasafras makes the world go ooh! Hello Sleepy Ones, Come on folks, a little stupid idle chatter would be nice. Thanks Jon, for posting the excerpts from that press release. Nifty stuff. Mini-Reviewage - - - Dim Stars "I'm A Dim Star" triple single [Ecstatic Peace!] ---------------------------------------------------------- Richard Hell and some Sonic Youth personel. Mostly live stuff, pretty poor recording quality. Mostly noodling around and nutty guitar blarbs and grunges. Pretty wild at times. Nice Ray Pettibon cover, starring Batman, his penis, and a young lady. This is more of a collector thing than something I plan on listening to. Rein Sanction "Creel" single [SubPop] ------------------------------------- Speaking of Gainesville, Fla. bands, here's another. The vocals, well, lesee, sparse would be better, maybe. Good grungy stuff, fun-crude, but I (of all people) actually find the singing to be a bit on the annoying side. I hope the "Broc's Cabin" LP is better. I'd give this a half-thumb up. I'd like to be more impressed, but I'm not. Thin White Rope "Ants Are Cavemen" single [SubPop] -------------------------------------------------- Slow, dirgy, grungy, good. I believe this has been brought up already, but let me second the good word. The live stuff is a bit on the poor-recording side but the cover tune is slow, long, and good. Thick stuff that's hard to swim in and a blast at the same time. I'd give this one a thumb and a half towards heaven. News is that the Vital Music Record club will be releasing its singles way behind schedule, as is SubPop. To drive the point home I recently received a bad copy of the notice that SubPop sent out, with scrawled modifications for the Vital Music folks. Pretty amusing, but I'm starting to get twitchy without my monthly record fix from both these houses. This stoopid record diet idea is starting to wear me down. I might as well stop eating whilst I'm at it, I figure. What's the word on the street about - - - Babes in Toyland "For Mother" EP? Rein Sanction "Broc's Cabin" LP? Hole - anything other than the SubPop single? Smashing Pumpkins "Gish" LP? Poster Children "Daisy Chain Reaction" LP? Melvins "Bullhead" LP? Boss Hog - anything? Since I consider them to be grungy, I'd like to point out that the new Metallica album should be out in less than a month. Word is that this one is more "rocking" and "grungy" than previous outings. Supposedly Bob Rock (did the last Cult album) is producing, which sucks, 'cause he's a weiner and produces wimpy weiner-pop-rock. Can't imagine it in this case though. Just to remind ya, I said and then woj said: >>If Godflesh tickles your fancy, you might want to check out Treponem Pal on >>Roadracer Records. >well, blow me over and knock me down. *i* was going to mention them this >morning. Okay, if that don't convince y'all, what will? Rob _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1991 21:17:31 MDT From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: boss here's something idle: Buy the BossHOG CD and 12" - it's like that old time PussyGalore music we all know and love! very good and deep. CrashWorship is industrial not grunge, but they kicked my brain hard in concert! do NOT miss them live folks. ::j it's just a variation on geetar music people...really. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1991 09:13:59 EST From: Lee Watkins Subject: Re: Crash Worship >CrashWorship is industrial not grunge, but they kicked my brain >hard in concert! do NOT miss them live folks. > >::j Anybody know where I can get some recorded CW? a guy on the net promised to make me a tape then dissappeared (end of the semester I suppose.....) Lee W. ps - "industrial" is stretching it, but then I don't know what the hell else to call them--maybe psychoanarchicartsythrashagrunge _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1991 10:16:55 -0400 From: "Michael J. Wohlgemuth" Subject: Barbara Bush's red lace panties Replies to various people... The address of BulletHead Records is P.O. Box 13209 Gainesville FL 32604 Looks like the second BulletHead release will not be Schlong as Sam's (the guitarist) wife is getting a job out of town. Rein Sanction is actually from Jacksonville, although they have recorded in Gainesville. Their album is produced by Kramer (big deal New York producer type). He heard them at CBGBs & offered to produce them. At the time, they had no idea who he was. I haven't heard the album, but I have seen them live and they were loud as fuck. The new SPIN put the album in its heavy rotation seection, for what that's worth. The Smashing Pumpkins album is excellent. Buy it now. I've heard them called the next Jane's Addiction. I don't think so but I do see similarities in their energy & their 'arty' approach to music. Smashing Pumpkins are more psychadelic & grungy, though. Woogie _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1991 08:04:06 MDT From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: Crash Worship On Wed Jul 17 1991 9:13am, Lee Watkins (LWATKINS%JHUVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote: > Subject: "Re: Crash Worship" > > Lee W. > > ps - "industrial" is stretching it, but then I don't know what the hell > else to call them--maybe psychoanarchicartsythrashagrunge i find it hard to use "grunge and thrash" in conjunction with these guys since the use only ONE geetar and thats to make noiz and sounds not riffs and chords. at least by the "official grunge is..." defn thats appeared here many times.... ::j _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1991 13:03:21 EDT From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Female bands Mike (HOWES%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM) asked: >2) I do a radio show on KZSU Stanford 90.1 FM and I want to do a >special on female alternative bands. I would love some input from >you people. My first dilemma is whether to play bands that have a >female lead singer and men playing the music. Right now I don't think >I'm going to do this. This leave out some classic bands like the >Avengers, Hammerbox, and Bongwater > My current idea is to play any band that has a majority of women. >If there are 50% women in the band the singer has to be a women. >If this all sound stupid let me know. >Here are the band that I can think of. Mail me if you know of others. >Creamers >Yeasty Girls >Babes in Toyland >Dickless >Fire Party >Breaders >Lydia Lunch >Diamanda Galas >Laurie Anderson >Hole >4 Non Blonds >Brenda Kahn I chimed in: >Dickless Not an official band, really, and most of the music was done by men. The "official" members of the group are mostly women, though. >Babes in Toyland. >Hole Great bands. How about The Lunachicks? Bosshog also has female members, don't know if there's a majority. L7 is a definite must (one of my fave grunge bands). Spin magazine decided that this style of female-majority bands needed a label, like everything else nowadays. The official Spin term is "foxcore". As for solo performers such as Laurie Anderson, how's about Kate Bush? Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1991 12:41:03 CDT From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu Subject: Re: Female bands Mike (HOWES%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM) asked: >2) I do a radio show on KZSU Stanford 90.1 FM and I want to do a >special on female alternative bands. I would love some input from >you people. Well considering the variety of bands you listed, you should really post to nm-list for more suggestions. In the meantime Mourning Sickness (excellent Toronto all-female noise band) Fifth Column (all-female Toronto punk/garage band) Bene Gesserit (Belgian avant-cabaret electronic) Skin (Jarboe and Michael Gira from Swans) Valentina Ponomareva (extreme Soviet vocalist) Greetje Bijma Shelley Hirsch Anna Homler (Bijma, Hirsch and Homler are all great extended vocalists. Check out the Direct Sound CD on Intakt, with all 3 plus two male vocalists. Shelley Hirsch also has a superb record out with David Weinstein, on RecRec.) Lindsay Cooper (good new CD of soundtracks on Recommended) LaDonna Smith (improvising violinist, usually plays with Davey Williams) Annette Peacock And from the European free jazz crowd (look for releases on FMP and Intakt) pianist Irene Schweizer, bassist Joelle Leandre, vocalist Maggie Nichols, vocalist Julie Tippett pianists Marilyn Crispell, Geri Allen, Joanne Brackeen etc Bill _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1991 13:35:44 EST From: Lee Watkins Subject: Re: Female bands two Xcelent, overlooked mostly-female bands: Blake Babies (Boston) Happy Family (Austin) and for good measure-- Two Nice Girls (actually four lesbian chicks) for solo female, how 'bout Exene Cervenka (although she's back with X again) _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1991 21:19:20 EDT From: ingria%BBN.COM@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: WOMEN!!!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 15:59 GMT From: HOWES 2) I do a radio show on KZSU Stanford 90.1 FM and I want to do a special on female alternative bands. I would love some input from you people. My first dilemma is whether to play bands that have a female lead singer and men playing the music. Right now I don't think I'm going to do this. This leave out some classic bands like the Avengers, Hammerbox, and Bongwater My current idea is to play any band that has a majority of women. If there are 50% women in the band the singer has to be a women. Here are the band that I can think of. Mail me if you know of others. [original list deleted] Bound and Gagged - All Women; had an EP on Modern Methods Records and a track or two on a ``A Wicked Good Time'', the Modern Methods compilation. (They also appear in a live performance at Spit in Boston in ``Bladerunner, Part 1'', the indie film of the Burroughs treatment of the Alan Nourse novel; no relation to the Ridley Scott film, except for the name, which Scott et al copped from Nourse/Burroughs (there is an acknowledgement in the film).) Throwing Muses - three women and one guy, at least in the original lineup. The women are the songwriters/singers. With independent and major (Sire) releases. Salem 66 - originally 3 women (G,B,D) then 3 women (G,B,D), one guy (G), then 2 women (G,B), 2 guys (G,D). The women were the songwriters/singers. One EP and 4 albums, if I've counted correctly. Most of the highlights on the EP and the first 2 albums are on CD and the last 2 albums also appear as CDs. On Homestead. Y Pants - all women, experimental music, some on toy instruments. On an independent label. Gutbank - 3 women (G,B,G) and 1 guy (D). I don't know if they've recorded. Das Furlines - Wendy Wild and her merry band of furlines - punk polka. Should be available on compilations, at least. The Erasers - 2 women, including lead singer/songwriter and 2 guys, from the classic CBGB/Max's (they were more of a Max's band) days. Had at least one single out. (The lead singer kinda looked/sounded like Patti Smith, a resemblance she played up, making them somewhat strange to watch.) If you're going for completeness, there are these war horses, though I'm not sure they count as ``alternative''. Fanny - all women, on Warner/Reprise The Runaways - verb sap. -30- Bob ``I bet he called us beaver on the CB. I hate it when men do that!'' _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1991 09:10:00 CDT From: VS8154%UMKCVAX3.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: women bands You might try Lush. Two guys and two ladies, with the girls singing and playing guitar. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1991 19:12:28 -0400 From: cellar!mole%UUNET.UU.NET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Female bands again. From: mole@cellar.UUCP Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 11:05:59 EDT Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system I forgot the Au Pairs. Sorry. _________________________________________________________________ Jim Hostetter mole@cellar.UUCP or uunet!cellar!mole Philadelphia, PA Cellar BBS: 215 336 9503 _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1991 19:12:29 -0400 From: cellar!mole%UUNET.UU.NET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Female bands. From: mole@cellar.UUCP Message-ID: <9Xca61w164w@cellar.UUCP> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 11:02:07 EDT Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system There are also these bands: Salem 66 (from Boston) Glass Eye (from Austin) Reivers (from Austin) Not really apropos to grunge, but somebody else brought the subject up. _________________________________________________________________ Jim Hostetter mole@cellar.UUCP or uunet!cellar!mole Philadelphia, PA Cellar BBS: 215 336 9503 _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1991 21:49:00 GMT From: HOWES Subject: Women I once heard a comedian say that she thought men shouldn't be called men and women shouldn't be call women but women should be called wo and men should be called manwo. Sound interesting. Well now that that's out of the way. I do a radio show here in the bay area, 90.1 KZSU Stanford. I want to do a show(3 hours) of all alternative/independant womens groups. I can't really decide what I consider a womens group so this is what I'm going with for now. More than half of the people in the group have to be women and any person that is both man and woman counts as just that man and women. I would of course love input from the new music list on bands that I could play. This is my current list. Please fill in the blanks for me. If you want a final list send me email and in a couple of week I will send you a final one. Thanks mike HOWES%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM BAND INDEPENDENT\ ALL WOMEN ALBUMS ---- MAJOR LABEL --------- ------ ------------ Alice Bag Band Laurie Anderson maj N Babes in Toyland ind Y Blake Babies ind N Bodysnatchers ? Bosshog Amphetamine R. N Bound and Gagged Modern Methods Y Braindrops ? Breeders 4AD N Bulimia Banquet ind N Burning Bush Mutha Y COLL Bands only a mutha Kate Bush maj Cameltoe ind N Catholic Discipline Chris and Cosey ? N Cichlids ind Creemers Sympathy For.. N Love,Honor, and Obey Das Furlines ind Y Dickless Sub Pop 7" Erasers(not Eurasure) ind N Exene Cervenka maj N Fanny Warner/Reprise Y Fire Party Discord Y 4 Non Blonds ind Y Frightwig ind Y Fuzzbox Geffen/Warner Y Diamanda Galas ind Y Girlschool maj Y Glass Eye ind(?) N Gutbank ind N GutterSluts ind Y Happy Family 1000000000 N Harry Crews High Risk Group ind Hole SubPop/Sympathy N 2 7" records John and Mary ? Brenda Kahn Com3 Y Goldfish don't talk Kamala a L7 Sub Pop/Epitaph Y Lunachicks ind Y Lush ind Lydia Lunch ind Y Mudwimmin ind Y Phranc maj Y Pop Smear ind Pussywillows ind Raunchettes ind Y Red Crayola ? Runaways maj Y Salem 66 Homestead N Scrawl ind Y Sekiri Alchemy Y Shonen Knife ind Y Slits ind N Stereo Taxic Device ind N Stickdog ind STP ind Y Sweet Honey and the Rock Flying Fish Y Switchblade Symphony ind N Throwing Muses Sire N Two Nice Girls ind Y Vivians War Horses White Trash Debutantes ind N Waitresses Yeasty Girls ind Y Y Pants ind Y SOME THAT DON'T FIT THE BILL BUT I WANT TO PLAY Arson Garden ind Avengers ind Bongwater ind Cycle Sluts From Hell maj Eleventh Dream Day ind Fear of God maj Hammerbox ind Penelope Houston ind Katt ind Sonic Youth ind/maj _ _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1991 17:11:16 -0600 From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Calvinfest Has anyone heard anything about the "International Pop Underground" (or whatever the name is) festival that Calvin/K Records is putting on in Olympia, WA? What I know about is that it's supposed to take place Aug 21-25 in Oly, WA, with a number of bands from all over the world, the ones I remember being Beat Happening, Fugazi and the Melvins. Is it still on? Is anyone planning to go? I might very well be in the neighborhood, and I wouldn't miss it for the world, if it's actually going to happen. soren _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1991 12:41:02 PDT From: "S. M. Sniper" Subject: Re:Calvinfest >Has anyone heard anything about the "International Pop Underground" >(or whatever the name is) festival that Calvin/K Records is putting >on in Olympia, WA? I have heard about it in drips and drabs...It's called the International Pop Underground Convention...supposedly several days of live music, picnics and softball... >What I know about is that it's supposed to take place Aug 21-25 in >Oly, WA, with a number of bands from all over the world, the ones >I remember being Beat Happening, Fugazi and the Melvins. I also heard that the Pastels, Seaweed, and the Young Fresh Fellows would be there. >Is it still on? I think so...anyone know for sure? How about a contact phone number of some sort...puhlease! >Is anyone planning to go? You bet!!! Anyone from the bay area wanna car pool? >I might very well be in the neighborhood, and I wouldn't miss it >for the world, if it's actually going to happen. Ayuh! mike rizzi p.s. Our hard disk ate our newsfeed for the past week or so (darn I missed the responses to my flame bait on rec.music.industrial) AND our gateway machine (mas1) is going down for a day (yeah right)... Sooooo, wait until Thursday to send me e-mail...danke _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1991 14:45:19 -0600 From: STOLTZ PETER Subject: Re: Women Wasn't the Runaways (Joan Jett's old band) an all-girl band? They had some great tunes. Also, Scrawl does a mean version of I Wanna be your Dog. At least live they do; I don't know if it's ever been released on vinyl. Coffin Break was in Denver last night. Exby and I caught the show. Pretty mediocre, actually. They did a nice cover of Husker Du's Diane and had one or two new songs that caught my ear. They played a pretty laughable version of Free Bird with 30 seconds of the fastest playing I've heard since Minor Threat. And much to my dismay, they claimed to have forgotten how to play KISS' Beth! The set was only about 45 minutes all told. But it looks from their shirts as though they are playing every city over 10,000 in North America (the shirt had 3 columns each about 15 cities long) so no doubt they will be somewhere near you sometime. Anyway, even though this all-girl set is for a guy at STANFORD, I thought I would throw in my $.02 worth. I think KALX might have a live Runaways show in their Cabinet tapes (do you know, Mike R.?) if you're interested. Peter CAL, class of '89 _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1991 15:35:00 CDT From: VS8154%UMKCVAX3.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Just bought Primus' SAILING THE SEAS OF CHEESE. Lots of good stuff, especially JERRY WAS A RACECAR DRIVER and TOMMY THE CAT. The real guy here seems to be bassist/vocalist Les Claypool. His work on 6-string fretless bass is both intensely funky and psychotic, plus his strangled vocals and oddball lyrics make for a pretty deranged, stark album. Some wonderful trainwrecks of sound. Definitely worth borrowing or stealing. :-) But what about their other albums? I'd like to hear other opinions, particularly about SUCK ON THIS. I also bought RITUAL DE LO HABITUAL by Jane's Addiction. I liked STOP and BEEN CAUGHT STEALING but wasn't really blown away by any of the others. SAM HUGHES a.k.a. HARRY BUTTS VS8154@UMKCVAX3 "$85 sunglasses on a five cent face" _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1991 17:00:08 EDT From: Brian Jarvinen Subject: music addiction Made the bad mistake of walking into a record store today. I haven't been in one since this one store here, Play It Again, closed down. PIA used to have a phone on the counter with a S>U>B PU>B P Subject: Loopflesh/Fleshloop Just got a split 45 of Godflesh and Loop: Loop does "Like Rats" and Godflesh covers "Straight to your Heart". Apparently this is a part of a singles series from ClawFist records UK, each release featuring two bands that cover each other's song. Future releases will have Silverfish/FaithHealers and Coil/Nurse with Wound. Yum. BTW the Loopflesh is ungodly good. If you find a copy, get one. Thought you might like to know. hk PS. The Loop double ep, _Wolf Flow_ is really, really good, too. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1991 08:53:42 EDT From: better than tea Subject: primus and stuff primus has two other albums, both of which, i think are a bit better tha sailing the seas of cheese: _suck on this_ and _sizzle fry_ (or is is _frizzle fy_ - i can never remember). i was accidentially watching emptv a few nights ago and caught their "jerry was a race car driver" video and was stunned by a few things: - the bassmanship. it's one thing to hear him play bass like that. it is a whole nother story to see his fingers fly all over the neck of that 6 string... - the crowd - it's been a long time since i've seen pit or a press as large as that one in the video. wooo! envy envy envy... woj@work (incidentially, is grunge-l being selectively gatewayed with nm-list all of a sudden? i've noticed that a lot of nm-list posts seem to be getting forwarded to grunge-l by some anonymous person. is it you, rob? hilgreen? exby?) _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1991 11:16:17 EDT From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: primus and stuff Mr. Coffee sez: >primus has two other albums, both of which, i think are a bit better >tha sailing the seas of cheese: _suck on this_ and _sizzle fry_ (or is >is _frizzle fy_ - i can never remember). _Fizzle Fry_ it is. Maybe I'll repost that stupid "What Is Grunge" thing I wrote or something. You know, try to STIMULATE a little conversation or something. I just heard the *worst* cover tune of all time. Frazier Chorus attempting to cover The Pistols' "Anarchy in the UK." Ultra-blech. I'd like to tie down a skinhead and make them listen to this 100 times and watch the results. Can't say enough about Urge Overkill's "Supersonic Storybook" LP. Clowes' cover art too. Wow. Rockin' good time. I'll try a mini-review some time in the future, if I can. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not make flatulent noises in class. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1991 11:49:00 EDT From: Ram Samudrala Subject: Re: primus and stuff Rob Vaughn sez: # Mr. Coffee sez: # # >primus has two other albums, both of which, i think are a bit better # >tha sailing the seas of cheese: _suck on this_ and _sizzle fry_ (or is # >is _frizzle fy_ - i can never remember). # # _Fizzle Fry_ it is. Yeh, I think that _Frizzle Fry_ is a real cool CD. My fav Primus tune is _Damned Blue Collar Tweekers_. Cool song. And yeh, he makes playing the base look so easy... --Ram **************** I'm so bad baby, I don't care - Motorhead ******************* # # # Bitnet: SVVAIKUN@owucomcn || Internet: SVVAIKUN@cc.owu.edu # 2C || !2C =!? # # # ******************** Might as well, Jump! - Van Halen ************************ _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1991 10:02:33 MDT From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: no defn hey rob- cmon now, dont post that "definition" of grunge thing again... it really doesnt serve any purpose since I dont see new folks clammering for "what is / isnt grunge" and it's really a "very fine line" type of label I think... shit, there I go starting a thread about the subject I detest most (ie What is grunge?) dammit. music content: um. i guess I am just waiting for tad/primus on aug 14 in denver... ::j _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1991 12:34:05 EDT From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: no defn John Exby laments: >cmon now, dont post that "definition" of grunge thing again... >it really doesnt serve any purpose since I dont see >new folks clammering for "what is / isnt grunge" and it's >really a "very fine line" type of label I think... Come on John, the whole thing was supposed to be a joke, and if I posted it again it would still be for laughs. I mentioned about a million times that the stupid thing wasn't serious, so don't get yer dander up. People arguing about what is/isn't "grunge" or "experimental" (geez, like we haven't heard enough from Mr. Sharp on that one, right?) or whatever this weeks' argument is drives me up a wall just as much as it probably bothers you. I wasn't serious about posting it either, although maybe it's good for threat value to get people talking... :) Rob _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1991 10:47:53 MDT From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: lament nuthin like having my subject line match and old Ultravox lp.... nah, my dander aint up - we are on the same base on this point... jus too bad I cant think of anything muzic wise to dish up... other than a nuther cool fluid show in denver aug1. boulder on the 23rd was a blast - the guys played 5 new songs! all very good but dont look for any vinyl soon ...no record contract yet for these guys. ::j _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1991 12:09:00 EST From: JJT7927%RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: no defn Hey Guys, Just wondering, I'm kinda new to the grunge list and I was wondering if someone can help me with a question, maybe that Rob V. guy. Is Michael Bolton or Mariah Carey considered grunge? Just wondering. thanks Joe _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1991 15:44:15 EDT From: Ron Rader Subject: Definitions? Rob tempts: > I wasn't serious about posting it either, although maybe it's good for threat > value to get people talking... :) Pfffft! F**k that! Post away, I thought it was good for more than a few laffs the first time and I'll probably laugh again. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1991 15:48:16 EDT From: Ron Rader Subject: Smartasses Joe sez: > Is Michael Bolton > or Mariah Carey considered grunge? Just wondering. You, sir, will probably fit in well around here. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (jon hilgreen) Subject: Forwarded mail Date: Thu, 25 Jul 91 19:04:49 EDT > > primus has two other albums, both of which, i think are a bit better > tha sailing the seas of cheese: _suck on this_ and _sizzle fry_ (or is > is _frizzle fy_ - i can never remember). > Also "primus sucks", another one, I think. > (incidentially, is grunge-l being selectively gatewayed with nm-list all > of a sudden? i've noticed that a lot of nm-list posts seem to be getting > forwarded to grunge-l by some anonymous person. is it you, rob? hilgreen? > exby?) > I am inocent! Ok, I am not inocent, I am... Not the one who is forwarding messages. Jon --hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm uunet!ub!hilgreen --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. -- "Horniness is next to Holiness" _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1991 10:41:26 EDT From: Figure in black Subject: Primus and Bill and Ted All you who have been talking about PRIMUS should go see Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey. They have a song on the soundtrack and they are in it too (a few seco nds, at least). MEGADETH and FAITH NO MORE each have a song in there too, and FNM's guitarist (name?) has a part in the movie as well, including a couple lin es. By no means am I promoting the soundtrack because the rest of the bands on it are hair-do metal shit - WINGERLESS, KING'S Xcrement, etc. Really gross. Excellent!!!! Figure in black _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1991 05:09:15 -0400 From: cellar!mole%UUNET.UU.NET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Fluid other than a nuther cool fluid show in denver aug1. boulder on the 23rd was a blast - the guys played 5 new songs! all very good but dont look for any vinyl soon ...no record contract yet for these guys. What's up? No more Fluid records on SupPop? What gives? Jim _________________________________________________________________ Jim Hostetter mole@cellar.UUCP or uunet!cellar!mole Philadelphia, PA Cellar BBS: 215 336 9503 _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1991 13:48:51 -0600 From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re:Calvinfest I just talked to K Records, and have a little more information. The precise dates appear to be Aug 20-25. That's a Tues-Sun. Most of the shows will be $4-5 individually, or you can get a $35 pass to everything. According to the person I talked to, there's been more interest than they ever expected, and some shows, like Fugazi or Beat Happening are "expected" to sell out. I will be there for at least some of it if it kills me. Whether I can make the whole thing depends on whether I can weasel out of a few finals. Roadtrip anyone? Anybody know about crash space, or wanna split a motel room or something? soren _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1991 12:24:43 BST From: lawsonj%PROJECT4.COMPUTER-SCIENCE.MANCHESTER.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: things in the UK Hey everyone, I'm still alive! I haven't been in the dept. for about 6 weeks, so I had about 500K of mail to read through.. Aaargh! Anyway, to come back to the Curve theme, the lead singer Toni Halliday did a solo album which was trashed by the music press, backed someone famousish a couple of years ago; i don't think she sounds like Kate Bush very much. She's short, got black hair and is pretty horny, but she's knocking on a bit. Swervedriver have got a new EP out, and are working on a new LP. I should think they're both pretty good... (I can't afford records aty the moment which is really bad news). Loop have got an LP of their Peel sessions out at the moment, called Wolf Flow, which I also can't afford, but the tracks on it are pretty good. A couple of years ago (changing the subject) I went to see My Bloody Valentine at TJ's (the legendary Newport nightclub). For some reason they had FOUR support bands (most of whom were crap) but one was a sort of thrash metal band, with the one difference being that they had a trumpet and trombone in the band -- it was really wierd to hear a thrash brass section. I'd love to hear them again but they were an extremely minor band from the welsh valleys and I can't for the life of me remember their name... has anyone ever heard of something similar?? The Reading festival is totally brilliant this year -- Swervedriver, Silverfish, hell I can' remember who else but lots of totally amazing bands. I'm trying hard to afford to go... if so expect a full review late August. Well, thats all there is to say really.... BYee!! Julian (lawsonj@uk.ac.man.cs.p4) _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1991 07:36:49 EDT From: better than tea Subject: Re: things in the UK julian sez: >Anyway, to come back to the Curve theme, the lead singer Toni Halliday >did a solo album which was trashed by the music press, backed someone >famousish a couple of years ago; she backed up robert plant on _now and zen_. i was so impressed with her singing there that i had really high hopes for the solo album. but, when i heard it, i didn't even recognize the singing as hers. i do think she's done a fairly decent job with curve though. >but one was a sort of thrash metal band, with the >one difference being that they had a trumpet and trombone in the band - it was >really wierd to hear a thrash brass section. some american band...um, was it alice donut? yeah...alice donut. anyways, they just released a lp that has a rocking cover of black sabbath's "war pigs" that uses guitar and tuba to much campy effectiveness. definitely not baggy. ;) woj (i know, two messages in a row that aren't 4ad-related...well, coming soon are reviews of a few lowlife albums that i found in a cutout bin for $2 and a few other things that have come into my possession as of late - so there!). _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1991 07:44:21 EDT From: better than tea Subject: whoa! trey confusion resolved! it must be before 8am...blearily looks at clock...yup: 7:45am. that last note was written as if it was going to the 4ad list (i saw julian's name - 4ad-l is the only place he posts!). and then i looked at it a little closer and realized (after it was sent) that it had gone to grunge-l. yeesh. that's what happens when you go prancing off to man- hattan on a monday night and you have to work early the next morning. ignore that man behind the parentheses! i think i'm bringing a cot to work tomorrow. +w _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1991 15:26:02 EDT From: better than tea Subject: Re: whoa! trey confusion resolved! >Also, anyone hear the new Meat Puppets? Is is good? eeerrrr what? i listened to it sunday at newbury comics in boston and decided that it is a step in a righter direction. i didn't like _heuvos_ or _mon- sters_ too much, but this one at least sounded looser and more like themselves. been meaning to get it for real (instead of just mooching it off of the speaker systems in record stores), but haven't gotten to it yet. will decide then if it is good or not. woj _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1991 14:30:00 EST From: JJT7927%RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: whoa! trey confusion resolved! Hey people, Just wondering if anyone out there (probably a skillion) got the new Mudhoney cd. Is that the one people have been talking about or is there a full length coming out? Also, anyone hear the new Meat Puppets? Is is good? eeerrrr what? thanks grungemongers joe _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1991 13:41:30 PDT From: 56 Subject: Re: whoa! trey confusion resolved! > Just wondering if anyone out there (probably a skillion) got the new > Mudhoney cd. Is that the one people have been talking about or is there a full > length coming out? Yes. It's alright, but some of the best and more diverse songs which will be on the album due out this month (13 songs) are not on the EP. They are leaving Seattle for England August 8, then will tour the US with Gas Huffer throughout Sept. Shouldn't be missed for anything! _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (jon hilgreen) Subject: Re: things in the UK Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 18:25:59 EDT > some american band...um, was it alice donut? yeah...alice donut. anyways, > they just released a lp that has a rocking cover of black sabbath's "war > pigs" that uses guitar and tuba to much campy effectiveness. definitely > not baggy. ;) > I AM SO SICK OF HEARING THAT DAMN SONG!!!! Jon --hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm uunet!ub!hilgreen --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. -- "Horniness is next to Holiness" _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1991 09:57:26 PDT From: billga%MICROSOFT.COM@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Calvinfest && girl groups >>Has anyone heard anything about the "International Pop Underground" >>(or whatever the name is) festival that Calvin/K Records is putting >>on in Olympia, WA? > >>What I know about is that it's supposed to take place Aug 21-25 in >>Oly, WA, with a number of bands from all over the world, the ones >>I remember being Beat Happening, Fugazi and the Melvins. Hmm, Scrawl, Jad Fair (?) he of 1/2 Japanese, Mark Lanegan, Bliss, oh I can't remember, but it's happening in Olympia, and it is 21-24th, maybe 25th, and it's all over town. There is no commercial sponsorship, it's all for the love of music (wax poetic). Tickets are $35 advance for a whole series pass, $40 the week of the shows, and various prices at the doors. It happens mostly at the capitol theatre and north shore surf club, and at a couple other venues downer town. If anyone is seriously interested in getting a pass I'll post the information. For the girl groups collector: scrawl and bliss, if you don't have them already, are two great alternative bands. bill -------------------------------------------------------------- :: billga@microsoft.com _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1991 10:03:15 -0400 From: "Eric A. Pearce" Subject: Love Battery Does anybody know anything about this group? They have a track "Between the Eyes" on the SubPop compilation "The Grunge Years" that is pretty cool -e _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1991 08:57:00 PDT From: FQIS%ADA3.CA.BOEING.COM@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Calvinfest All the stuff mentioned about the International Pop Underground Convention is true..... There's a big writeup about it in _The Rocket_, Seattle's monthly music paper. I can double check about the lineup, and post something. Olympia is about a 1.5 hour drive from Seattle, so I'd be interested in going. If anyone wants to rally, give me a call at (206) 328-4240 or 342-1834. Eric Glaas fqis@ada3.boeing.com _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1991 01:05:56 EDT From: woj Subject: dustdevils picked up "the dropping well" ep by the dustdevils this past weekend. yip! i'm not sure exactly what they are trying to do, but they certainly managed to make sonic youth look silly even before sonic youth was using melody in their music. anybody care to fill me in on what other dustdevil stuff is out there? recommendations? after hearing this ep, i gotta hear more... woj _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1991 08:49:11 -0400 From: Gordon Lee Subject: Re: dustdevils From: woj Subject: dustdevils picked up "the dropping well" ep by the dustdevils this past weekend. yip! i'm not sure exactly what they are trying to do, but they certainly managed to make sonic youth look silly even before sonic youth was using melody in their music. anybody care to fill me in on what other dustdevil stuff is out there? recommendations? after hearing this ep, i gotta hear more... I have an album called "Struggling Electric + Chemical", on TeenBeat/Matador, 1990. This one also sounds a lot like Sonic Youth at times. It also has a cover of Chilton's Hip Priest. I recently bought the Husker Du "Eight Miles High" CD single. Track four is the Mary Tyler Moore theme cover, "Love is all around". I have to say that it is an appealing song when heard through the Husker filter. - GL _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1991 16:41:57 EDT From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Yobs of Gods, SoundMeatSanction Greetings grungies, Jon typeth: >And last but not least, for the only true measure of success... >SOUNDGARDEN has a Music Trading Card!! The cards are put out by Winterland >Productions, and are available whereever you buy bubblegum and other fine >products." >[I have the SOUNDGARDEN and HANOI ROCKS cards!!!] Huh? Never heard of these things. What's the poop? Is this a west coast only thing? Brian Jarvinen speaketh: >There was no mention of the "Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge" title. I would >of bought it but they only had it on CD. I asked if it was out on vinyl >and they said they didn't know. (Idiots!) I find it hard to believe that >Sub-Pop didn't release it on vinyl. There is supposed to be a vinyl edition but right now it looks like it's only available on CD. Haven't seen the cassette either. I'm beginning to regret ordering the stuff via mail order, since I'm starting to worry that I'll never see them. I did finally get the April and May SP Singles Club discs I had been waiting for, one is Shonen Knife, the other is Urge Overkill. I'll try to review them plus a few other things soon. So maybe SP ain't dead yet. >In other L7 news, Mark Dancey told me that L7 had also picked up a big-label >contract; he said they got into an argument with Jello Biafra, who accused >them of the dreaded "Sell-Out." Mark said L7 just laughed. Good for them. Jello is such a self-appointed chief. Of course, he'll do articles in magazines about the "future of punk" (with Bob Mould?? What does Mould know about punk?) but that's okay. Julian mentioneth: >Swervedriver have got a new EP out, and are working on a new LP. I should Anyone know what label this is on? I haven't been able to find anything from them, or any Loop stuff. :( The woj-mon speweth: >>Re: Meat Puppets' new LP >i listened to it sunday at newbury comics in boston and decided that >it is a step in a righter direction. i didn't like _heuvos_ or _mon- >sters_ too much, but this one at least sounded looser and more like >themselves. Hmmm. I realize that the Puppets tend to wander and weave in music style from album to album, and I've liked most everything they've done, except that I thought Monsters was a little on the weak side. Even if their albums don't get your attention, do not miss this band live. I saw them about a year and half ago and they were fantastic, energetic, and covered an awful lot of ground style-wise. I take back my reservations on the Rein Sanction single. After a few spins I've decided I really, really like this one. Didn't grab me at first but it's starting to get some serious time on the turntable. Can't wait for my stinkin' SP order to arrive with the full LP. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not Xerox my butt. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (jon hilgreen) Subject: Re: Yobs of Gods, SoundMeatSanction Date: Thu, 1 Aug 91 17:26:59 EDT > Jon typeth: > > >And last but not least, for the only true measure of success... > >SOUNDGARDEN has a Music Trading Card!! The cards are put out by Winterland > >Productions, and are available whereever you buy bubblegum and other fine > >products." > >[I have the SOUNDGARDEN and HANOI ROCKS cards!!!] > > Huh? Never heard of these things. What's the poop? Is this a west coast > only thing? > Rob, I have only seen them once at a flea market, but I am assuming that they are everywhere, and I am just too old and dson't look for them. Check your local sports cards store, if they don't have them I bet they know where to get them. Maybe we're too old... Nah! Jon --hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm uunet!ub!hilgreen --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. -- "Horniness is next to Holiness" _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1991 10:55:37 PDT From: billga%MICROSOFT.COM@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Love Battery >Does anybody know anything about this group? >They have a track "Between the Eyes" on the SubPop compilation >"The Grunge Years" that is pretty cool I really like Love Battery. I saw them a couple times last year when they were on the club circuitry. Between the Eyes is their Big Hit Single, but they do lots of other good stuff (but not as notable). The lineup is pretty standard: 2 guitars, bass, drums; a Fender Twin Reverb is how he gets that great tremelo'd guitar. You might have heard them described as Yet Another Grunge Rock Band -- don't believe it. bill _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1991 12:10:51 PDT From: 56 Subject: Re: Love Battery Just got back from an extensive tour fo the States. They have a 10-inch out on yellow vinyl, I think on subPop. It's pretty good. Their live shows can vary greatly in enjoyability. Sometimes they totally blow me away into an alterend state of cnsciousness.. Sometimes, they leave me a little bored. It just depends on how much they've been practicing, how drunk they are, etc. They are worth checking out, and they'll be playing a few shows in the Seattle area in the next few months. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1991 15:22:57 EDT From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Love Battery Fifty-six sez: >Re: Love Battery >Just got back from an extensive tour fo the States. They have a 10-inch >out on yellow vinyl, I think on subPop. I believe the record can be had through SubPop but is actually a Euro-import on Tupelo or one of those "affiliated" labels. There was supposed to be a SP domestic 7" released but I don't know if it ever came out. I ordered it but never got it. The Dickless single was canceled and this might have been as well. Rob -- I will not encourage others to fly. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1991 12:30:18 PDT From: 56 Subject: Re: dustdevils Dust Devils make me writhe. They do sound very much like early Sonic Youth, but what the heck! I like that old stuff. A poarticularly marvelous release is their recent "STruggling Electric Chemical" with the shitty 5-year old-scribble type cover. They have female and male vocals, a lot of guitar distortion, and some interesting sampling of what sounds like studio outtakes and phone conversations with junkies. It's a fine records, and includes an AWESOME cover of the Fall's "Hip Priest". It's on Matador. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1991 11:50:23 MDT From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: new fluid first, Fluid hate the sub-par label and got out because they were getting treated "not-as-well" as other bands cause they werent "in seattle" enough so not as much promotion, press ..etc... thats the impression I got from Jon last time we talked as well as other record industry shit going down with lawyers...etc... ok, here's some fluid info from stoltz after seeing them so much lately we've been getting inside the ring so to speak: ---------------- (James is lead geetar man for fluid) (Jim a ch2 reporter in denver) Song list for the G Zero show: DMZ, My Kind, Lies, I said that I'm Through, Black Glove, some other stuff, She Don't Understand, some other stuff, Waves. They did ANOTHER new one last night called Rain. I guess Jim (guy who gave me a ride) was talking to James about vinyl before the show. James said they have more than enough material for an album, and have had offers from major labels, but they aren't happy with the deals. I guess the big labels want 30% of the action, but the Fluid don't want to give that much to somebody whose only been associated with them for one album. James also said they REALLY think this album is going to sell big. So they are hoping to get a deal more like 10% to the record company. Can't wait to see what happens. ------------- next concert aug8 in colo sprgs. and aug 11 at Garage in denver. see ya at both ::j _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1991 11:33:00 EST From: JJT7927%RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: mudhoney Hey people, Kinda slow on the list so I figured I'd put my two cents in about the new Mudhoney LP. I thought it was damn good. Favorites on it are "Into the Drink", "Let It Slide", and number 8, I forgot the name. All in all, a pretty good album. How about the new Meat Puppets? Anybody have a review or any opinions about it? I'm dying to find out anything about it. joe@rit Home of the TLA's _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1991 19:37:02 -0700 From: dougo%SODA.BERKELEY.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: NAD and Bob Mould (was Re: No, no, it is Swervedriver ) > You can get various Ned's t-shirts in the same vein such as - Fucking Fucker > and their logo on the back. I caught Ned's Atomic Dustbin at a free show at San Jose State recently, and was very impressed. Two bassists, even! Check out their album, _God Fodder_, it's great. > Got some good gigs also coming our way here, Bob Mould (any good? I've > been told he is), Mudhoney and Dinosaur Jr, 3 nights running. Not bad. Go see Bob Mould!!! I saw him play at the Warfield in San Francisco earlier this year and was totally knocked out. Really, it was the best concert I have ever seen. Almost all of his songs are slow (unfortunately, he didn't play any Husker Du songs), so don't expect a speeed-thrash-punk show, but they were extremely violent anyway. Definitely the most intense encore, too: "Whichever Way the Wind Blows" from his album _Workbook_. I've heard that he does some concerts acoustically, so I don't know if these shows have the same intensity or not, but I would guess he's just as good. DougO OBQ: "Should I bend down and worship the ground Of the beautiful people who live without flaws?" -- "Sacrifice/Let There Be Peace", Bob Mould _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 12:54:22 EDT From: Brian Jarvinen Subject: sub-pop vinyl Hopefully the subject line is not an oxymoron yet. The local music store that is supposedly "dedicated to selling vinyl records for as long as possible" won't carry the new Mudhoney LP on vinyl. Does it exist on vinyl somewhere? I find it hard to believe that sub-pop would abandon vinyl. Is the Mudhoney ep available on vinyl as well? What about the "Sub-Pop Years", which no one in this town has bothered to carry yet? I have heard the new Mudhoney CD and I liked it a lot on the first spin. The harmonica is a welcome addition, reminds me of a prime Cynics record. I didn't notice any organ until the very last song but I lived through it :-). As long as Mark Arm keeps his voice healthy Mudhoney will be a force to be reckoned with. There is a show scheduled in Detroit for September 8th, no word on the opening act. They have moved up from selling-out a bar where only 20 people show up to see Tiny Lights to playing a dance hall usually filled with way too many alternateens drooling over long-haired guys from England. There is also word of a Nirvana show in October ... anyone have a release date for their Geffen album? or a release date for the next Soundgarden thing? Hey John Exby, next time you see the Fluid tell em to venture back towards Ann Arbor. They can crash at my house anytime. Other grunge news - thoughts on the new Metallica single "Enter Sandman?" I like it, you can hear the bass as they promised. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 11:09:14 MDT From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: sub-pop vinyl On Wed Aug 7 1991 12:54pm, Brian Jarvinen (USERW11N@UMICHUM.BITNET) wrote: > Subject: "sub-pop vinyl" > > Hey John Exby, next time you see the Fluid tell em to venture back towards > Ann Arbor. They can crash at my house anytime. > ok, I'll be with em in Colo Spgs thurs night (tomorrow) pun intended. let me know if you want to pass along other details (email me) ::j _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 13:28:50 EDT From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: sub-pop vinyl >Hopefully the subject line is not an oxymoron yet. The local music store >that is supposedly "dedicated to selling vinyl records for as long as >possible" won't carry the new Mudhoney LP on vinyl. Does it exist on vinyl >somewhere? Are you sure they won't carry it? My understanding is that the album is only available on CD right now, and SubPop plans on using the $$$ from it to have the record pressed ASAP. It will be released on vinyl and cassette as planned, but only once they've collected the dough from the CD release. You might want to check with the store to see if they'll stock it once it's out. >I find it hard to believe that sub-pop would abandon vinyl. I sent a letter to the SubPop folk and one of the mail order goddess (Hannah) said that they plan on staying with vinyl, even if they have to press them in-house. People who are interested in vinyl should send letters to their mail-order address stating so, to help keep the pressure on. >Is the Mudhoney ep available on vinyl as well? What about the "Sub-Pop >Years", which no one in this town has bothered to carry yet? That's the "Grunge Years" and will only be available on CD, same as the Das Damen single. Again, my understanding from Hannah is that they're in major debt with all of their vinyl producers, so they won't be releasing vinyl until they can dig their way out. Someone (Corey) will be mailing me an article on SubPop's current financial woes soon. I'll type in the good stuff. He says things are looking up. >long-haired guys from England. There is also word of a Nirvana show in >October ... anyone have a release date for their Geffen album? or a release >date for the next Soundgarden thing? The Nirvana LP is supposed to be out by end of August, and the Soundgarden's supposed to be out in September. New Metallica comes in just one week, I've avoided the single and I hope they won't be making another damned video. What a waste of money. James Hetfield, although brilliant, is too damn ugly for MTV, thank god. I'm sure he would agree. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 13:48:09 EDT From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: sub-pop vinyl >Anyone know a release date for "The Grunge Years"? It's all previously released stuff and has been available for a little over a month now, CD only. It has a Dickless song ("Saddletramp") that was never actually released on vinyl. Some of the other stuff is now out of print as well. The SubPop 100 and 200 compilations all had original material on them, and I believe a SubPop 200 CD has been released in Europe (available on import) that has about 70% of the songs off of the original vinyl pressing. Rob, SP weenie at large, but unaffiliated in any way with, except that I buy anything and everything I can get my paws on... -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 11:15:33 -0700 From: ramaley%CSLI.STANFORD.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: sub-pop vinyl In message <9108071750.AA10942@Csli.Stanford.EDU> you write: > >It's all previously released stuff and has been available for a little over >a month now, CD only. It has a Dickless song ("Saddletramp") that was never >actually released on vinyl. Actually, not that I'm being contrary to your SP weenietude, but I'm pretty sure that 'Saddletramp' was the flipside of Dickless's "I'm a Man" single. Of course, the real treat of that single is the spiral of thank-you's that comes with it, thanking everyone and everything, until you get to the middle, when it says "butt not bruce". More things in that vein: on Coffin Break's single "Pray", one of the hesher dudes is wearing a 'Bruce Pavitt Gave Me Head' T-shirt. And, although SP has put out a couple my favorite records in life (Afghan Whigs, LP and single, and L7's CD, just for example), I wonder how much of SP's appeal is actual guitar-roar and how much is just the giddy rush of imagining oneself to be young, dumb, and eating grunge in Seattle. Not that I'm saying we're enslaved at the knees of a long-haired Mammon, of course. Of course I have a bad impression of the label. When I was a music director, I visited my girlfriend in Seattle, and I decided to stop by SubPop, just because they'd been flaky about sending records. I was really nervous, and who wouldn't be, meeting their God. What struck me most about the place, aside from the Sir Mix-a-Lot posters on the walls, was the feeling of absolute business as usual. I was 'music director carcass', to be processed summarily, shown the letters from Thurston Moore on the wall, and then sent down to the second floor to fill out my singles' club subscription card. So that's where I'm coming from. -- Alan Aitken Ramaley (415) 326-9546, P. O. Box 9217, Stanford, CA 94309 Intern (soon to be coterm), Genentech Aquarius _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 13:37:00 EST From: JJT7927%RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: sub-pop vinyl Anyone know a release date for "The Grunge Years"? Who's on it? All the usuals? I'd appreciate any info, I'd lik eto get that is there's a good content(which no doubt there will be). joe@rit Home of the TLA's ^--------Stands for "Threee Letter Acronyms" _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 15:25:22 EDT From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Rob's SP rantings. Gods or dickheads? Ah, conversation! What a rare and wonderful thing here in grungeland. Alan writes: >Actually, not that I'm being contrary to your SP weenietude, but I'm >pretty sure that 'Saddletramp' was the flipside of Dickless's "I'm a >Man" single. Oh no, I'm a SP fan, but I can be as wrong or as full of shit as the next guy, trust me. I don't know anybody in the company, I've never been to Seattle, I've never met anyone who works there. I've just been a really happy customer for over three years. Feel free to correct me, call me an idiot, or pull the rug out from under me. :) Anyway, I had ordered the Dickless single, and I was finally, after way too much time, was sent a credit slip and a notice that it had been cancelled. If there were copies actually released, I'd be interested in details for my SP discography. Mind you, I'm not counting radio-promo's or the like, although I'd like to get a copy of one. That's the reason behind my statement that "Saddletramp" is unreleased. >More things in that vein: >on Coffin Break's single "Pray", one of the hesher dudes is wearing a >'Bruce Pavitt Gave Me Head' T-shirt. That t-shirt was available from Seattle's CZ records, which was Coffin Break's old label. I'm a proud owner of one of those, although all I ever hear when I wear it is "Who is Bruce Pavitt and why would you want him to go down on you?" or simply "Does that mean you're gay?" I'd like to think that it's busting on Mr. Pavitt in a friendly way, although it could just as easily be malicious. I bought it 'cause I thought it was funny, and I like CZ records as well. The newest CZ tee-shirt is a riot. Someone also mentioned that Ned's Atomic Dustbin have gone through 70+ tee-shirt designs. Anyone have/seen any of these? >And, although SP has put out a couple my favorite records in life >(Afghan Whigs, LP and single, and L7's CD, just for example), I wonder >how much of SP's appeal is actual guitar-roar and how much is just the >giddy rush of imagining oneself to be young, dumb, and eating grunge >in Seattle. Well, personally, the reason I claim to be an SP weenie is that I've loved just about everything they've ever released, especially all the singles. I guess this is a rare example of where the tastes of the label (dictated by whomever decides what bands to go with at SP) just happen to jive with mine, at about 95% efficiency. Sort of like meeting the girl of my dreams, I guess, so I tend to be a little overenthusiastic about it at times. On the other hand, I have no desire to be friends with anyone at SubPop or to be part of some "in" crowd or clique. I just hope and pray that they continue, 'cause I can just buy the stuff they put out and be happy. I can see where some may be jumping on the bandwagon, but for me, it's been a long-term, very fruitful consumer-producer relationship that I hope can continue. >I was really nervous, and who wouldn't be, meeting their God. Some author (Harlan Ellison perhaps) once said that it's a mistake to meet your idols, as they will always disappoint you. This is probably why I'd rather not meet anyone from SP. Or Harlan Ellison. Although the temptation is there. >What struck >me most about the place, aside from the Sir Mix-a-Lot posters on the >walls, was the feeling of absolute business as usual. I was 'music I can kind of understand this, though. It's hard to be personable when you're running a business, and I'm sure they have been deluged by fans and enthusists wanting to visit. I think a lot of small record labels go under due to their lack of professionalism and the lack of business sense when running things. It's amazing how all those good friends you hire to help run things turn out to be lazy, uncaring slack-jobs. But this is probably better debated by economists. I would probably be expected to be treated the same as I would at Disneyland, and thus I think I'd rather not visit the place. I only deal with them via mail order, and up until a couple of months ago they have treated me well, unlike Wax Trax or SST. Now I wonder if I'll ever see my orders. At least Tough & Go has gone the other way, with nice computerized invoices and deliveries in under two weeks. I would be interested in more inside stories of indie record labels, such as Alan's. I've always wondered what it's like to run a label. I've noticed a lot of anti-SubPop quotes in band interviews (especially in fLIPSIDE magazine), but I can't decide if there's really some problems with the company or if it's the typical musician/god attitude. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- They are laughing at me, not with me. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 13:33:25 MDT From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: trep pal well - back a bit folk brought up some group named Treponem Pal saying they had a mean -Godflesh touch with enuf originality to make em fun. Now I have beaten local musac stores and can't find the CD anywhere! Can some kind soul out there email me if you can help? I think I need it bad. anyone ? Also, try group called _Pitchshifter_ "Industrial" (DEAF 5 CD) DEAF is english label looks like. it's very mean GODFLESH type - with drum machine and geetars. so ya know. ::j _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 15:40:33 EDT From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: trep pal Goodness, ain't I talkative today? The Exby mon sez: >well - back a bit folk brought up some group named Treponem Pal >saying they had a mean -Godflesh touch with enuf originality >to make em fun. Now I have beaten local musac stores and can't >find the CD anywhere! Can some kind soul out there email me >if you can help? I think I need it bad. anyone ? They're on Roadracer records and I found the CD at Tower Records in NYC about a month ago. They're from Switzerland, I believe. Very heavy stuff. Rob _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 16:05:16 EDT From: Lee Watkins Subject: Re: NAD and Bob Mould (was Re: No, no, it is Swervedriver ) >too: "Whichever Way the Wind Blows" from his album _Workbook_. I've heard >that he does some concerts acoustically, so I don't know if these shows have >the same intensity or not, but I would guess he's just as good. > >DougO his show here recently was acoustic, "mellow" by Mould standards, which would be "blistering" by any other standard. the guy is incredible.....intense is putting it mildly. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 14:10:41 MDT From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: trep help thanks rob man for location of a Treponem Pal CD alas, NYC is too far for me to go. :-) anyone want to buy it for me and mail it? I am a negotiable type of guy - things can be worked out. no $100 for profit or anything though... fkin 1 copy of Godflesh's Slavestate made it into the state, of course no one down here will HOLD one for me so I just have to get lucky. piss me. ::j _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 13:28:59 -0700 From: ramaley%CSLI.STANFORD.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Rob's SP rantings. Gods or dickheads? I can understand why so many people trust SubPop; it's a jungle out there in indie land, and if you don't have lotsa bucks, or if you don't work at a community radio station, you'll stir the pot you know. I'm in the latter category, so as public service, allow me to list some of the grooviest records to come out lately (but not on SP). 'Bullhead', by the Melvins, on Boner 'Peacetika', by the Cows, on Amphetamine Reptile Teenage Fanclub's CD, on Matador And for the roots of modern-day grunge, I'd go to Neil Young's 'Zuma', on Reprise, just because that's what I'm listening to right now. 1975. Any other historical points of reference, aside from Sweet's 'Ballroom Blitz'? Also, I'm pretty sure that Dickless single came out. I bought a copy in Reckless records, in San Francisco, not so long ago. It has the three women sitting in hippiegear (tm) with a touch of rokchik (tm) on the front cover, and on the back cover is a picture of a Margaret-Thatcher-looking woman with a tomato on her nose. -- Alan Aitken Ramaley (415) 326-9546, P. O. Box 9217, Stanford, CA 94309 Intern (soon to be coterm), Genentech Aquarius _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (jon hilgreen) Subject: Re: Rob's SP rantings. Gods or dickheads? Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 21:45:11 EDT > Some author (Harlan Ellison perhaps) once said that it's a mistake to meet > your idols, as they will always disappoint you. This is probably why I'd > rather not meet anyone from SP. Or Harlan Ellison. Although the temptation > is there. > Well, I never met Harlan Ellison, But I have met Bruce P of Sub pop, I met hime in a casual way at CBGBs while watching Urge Overkill at last years New Music Seminar. He tols me he was Bruce from Seattle, but I didn't make the connection until I saw his ID tag the next day. In fact he is the only not networked reader of this list. He was more that cool. I supose he still is. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 23:12:07 -0700 From: dougo%SODA.BERKELEY.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Grunge roots (was Re: Rob's SP rantings. Gods or dickheads? ) > And for the roots of modern-day grunge, I'd go to Neil Young's 'Zuma', > on Reprise, just because that's what I'm listening to right now. > 1975. Any other historical points of reference, aside from Sweet's > 'Ballroom Blitz'? Well, although most people consider Blue Cheer's "Summertime Blues" to be the first Heavy Metal song, I consider it more Grunge. That was what, 1965? Anybody have a good definition of "grunge", anyway? Or a canonical list of groups/albums/songs which are grunge? Some of my favorite songs that I consider "grunge": Soundgarden -- "Loud Love" Sonic Youth -- "Titanium Expose" Neil Young -- "Hey Hey My My (Into the Black)" Black Sabbath -- "Black Sabbath" Love and Rockets -- "Motorcycle" Bob Mould -- "Whichever Way the Wind Blows" Primus -- "The Toys Go Winding Down" Metallica -- "To Live is to Die" Lush -- "Leaves Me Cold" DougO _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1991 09:12:26 EDT From: Ron Rader Subject: Administrivia and old Primus Jon and kids, I think it's time to post the listserver instructions again. Things have gotten weird ever since BOC-L went elsewhere. Yeah, I know they're sent to every new subscriber, but you know how these things go. Whattaya think of "Frizzle Fry?" I await my Noteworthy order as we speak. The chuckleheads at the WXYC only have 'Tommy The Cat' on playlist and the current DJ can't find any other Primus album. Don't give me any shit about being behind the times. Ron -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (jon hilgreen) Subject: Re: Administrivia Date: Thu, 8 Aug 91 17:56:52 EDT > I think it's time to post the listserver instructions again. Things have > gotten weird ever since BOC-L went elsewhere. > Hi! I didn't even know the list moved? Why did it? a listserv list does not have to be run from the host (seems it would be easier to just pass the torch). Where is Sean, or was it Steve? I lent him a hand in starting the list. 8) Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1991 12:55:42 -0700 From: Steve Skrzyniarz Subject: re:punk rock festival Here is the schedule of the "major" events happening at the International Pop Underground festival in Olympia, WA, August 20th-25th (there are a *lot* more events going on, these are just the larger ones): Aug 20th - "Girly day" Organized by, about, and for girls in rock. Boys are more than welcome to attend. Performers are: 7 Year Bitch (Seattle), Bratmobile (Eugene, OR), Jean Smith from Mecca Normal, Rebecca Gates Aug 21st - "non-rock day" Performances by Olympia Chamber Orchestra, Steve Fisk, Infamous Menagerie, Jad Fair, Heather Perkins and more Aug 22nd - 5:00 pm "big rock show" TBA. 9:00pm show with Scrawl, Nation of Ulysses, The Pastels, Beat Happening. 1:00am disco party, DJ'ed by Sub Pop's Bruce Pavitt August 23rd - 1:00pm BBQ sponsored by Sub Pop Records. 5:00 pm "big rock show" TBA. 9:00pm show with Bikini Kill, Seaweed, Girl Trouble, Fastbacks, Thee Headcoats. 1:00am disco party DJ'ed by Jeffery Kennedy (Boysville) and Lois Maffeo (Courtney Love) August 24th - Saturday Afternoon (free) show at Capitol Lake park - Calamity Jane, Shadowy Men On a Shadowy Planet, The Melvins. 5:00 pm "big rock show" TBA. 9:00 pm show with Some Velvet Sidewalk, L7, High Performance, Fugazi. 1:00 am disco party DJ'ed by a bunch of people. August 25th - Brunch sponsored by Fallout Records at Sylvester Park in downtown Olympia. Followed by a day full of fun including a cakewalk and the showing of all five Planet of the Apes movies at the Capitol Theater. --- Bands playing the "TBA" shows include: Courtney Love, Crackerbash, The Mummies, Love Child, Tsunami, Duh, Dumbhead, Sleepyhead, Solomon Grundy, Treepeople, Witchi Poo, Fitz of Depression, Kicking Giant, The Smugglers, and Jad Fair. Shows are $3 for 5:00 shows, $5 for evening shows. Full passes are available for $35 from K Records, P.O. Box 7154, Olympia, WA 98507. Hotel accomodations are also available from that address, or call (206) 786-1594 for more info. Hope this helps, Steve Skrzyniarz Meat Records steveskr@milton.u.washington.edu _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1991 21:42:51 MDT From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: brian J hep me Brina Jarvis out in mich land... lost you email address...please mail me. obGrunge - Tad and Primus here in Denver tomorrow night (8/13) would be going except I am broke and have a wonderful cold, if I do limp down there I am sure 300lbs of flesh will make it worth my time. ::j _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 10:32:31 CDT From: Russ Poldrack Subject: shows reviews from Texas Just got back from Texas - Saw a couple shows there and here's what I thought of them. Both were at Emo's in Houston, and they were both FREE! Jawbox/Helmet - I had heard that Jawbox was not so great live, so I was pleasantly surprised by their really great show. They played a lot of stuff that is not on their disk (do they have anything else out?), but also many of the songs from it. The singer's voice seemed a bit tired, but they were all really energetic. They finished with Tools, and were having so much fun that it didn't really sound that tight. But don't get me wrong - I enjoyed the hell out of it. I saw that they have a new single out (or maybe not so new?) which is split with Jawbreaker. Anyone heard this? Helmet also surprised me. I bought Strap It On and was quite disappointed by just how noisy it was. Their live show is a lot more straigtforward. And loud. Really Loud. "Death Grunge" seemed to be the adjective of the evening. A bit too metallic for me, but most of the people there seemed to enjoy them. Smashing Pumpkins - A band called Poor Dumb Bastards opened for these guys - the lead singer got naked on stage and spread his butt cheeks for all to see. Yummy. Smashing Pumpkins really rocked. They are hard to characterize - real energetic alternative guitar music. Their breaks remind me of Jane's Addiction, very powerful and thick, but they were still quite melodic. And this incredibly big, almost tribal drum sound. I enjoyed ti a lot. See ya'll, Russ _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1991 09:22:45 EDT From: Ron Rader Subject: Lollypop > Even though Playboy has a lot of articles and fiction and > stuff, it's still a smut magazine contributing to the degredation of > women everywhere. I prefer the real thing, myself. So do I, but you still sound like Jerry Falwell. Sorry. > The Lollapalooza festival was one not to be missed. Nope. Saw the Raleigh NC show on the 17th, and it was completely intense. NIN was a snooze for me, but I'm not really into that industrial dance stuff so I went and checked out the activist's tent and the art (and got a beer for $3.50 YIKES!). Rollins was in classic form, virtually unchanged from the Black Flag days (except he had less hair and more tattoos). Not everybody was into it, but I certainly was, although it was too hot and the stage lights were off so we saw little from the lawn. Ice-T put on one of the best shows of the day. Fucking excellent. The Butthole Surfers were far more boring than in '86. I've come to realize I really prefer early Siouxsie to modern Siouxsie. They put on a great show, but really struck me as more suited to the OMD/Depeche Mode crowd. Sorry guys, I just prefer a more hardcore approach to a slick dance sound. It was OK, and they encored Spellbound which was awesome! Living Colour sounded great, but seemed awfully tired and sounded like a jukebox. Not a whole lot of emotion. Jane's Addiction was strange. They've come a long way since I last saw them in early '87. No longer a hungry band. Perry came on and for the first 5 minutes really sucked. Singing out of tune, no sustain (he basically spoke the lyrics), smacked out of his mind. I'm thinking, "the heroin's doing it's work man, Jane's is dead, oh no!" But 5 minutes into the show, he warmed up and put on one of the best large scale shows I've seen. It was Let's Fuck With North Carolina Day as Perry lambasted the crowd about Jesse Helms and surfing the Hurricane Bob swells, and told us how Southern California was wonderful (it is) and color blind. Now I grew up in NE L.A. so I burst out laughing at Perry's "artistic license." He's done some killer work with film, which they showed on the rear screen during the show (excellent surf scenes for Ocean Size!). Interesting stage, with fake palm trees, and twin lusty go-go girls doing the bump and grind. Their 'sex is violent' performance got all the males (and some of the females) in the audience all hot and bothered. The 10 minute violin solo for Then She Did... started to lose the crowd. Gotta admit that the crowd was the Been Caught Stealing AOR-type following for the most part. I felt so cool and smug and superior ;) . Classic Girl was amazing, walls of sound and all, with Perry and Kate getting married on the rear screen and sucking face. It made me miss Los Angeles... Janes' was the highlight of my day, but the whole thing was great. Except for the heat, and the fact that dancing around like a madman got me mighty sore and sweaty, and the $3.50 beers. The bootleg T-shirt sellers were a laugh. They combed the crowd ALL day and were unwilling to bargain. They'd just say, '15 bucks man, they're 25 at the stand.' I pissed them off whenever I said, "nope, I'll wait until you drop the price to 10." Of course they did drop to 10 after the show. Heh heh heh! -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1991 13:21:16 CET From: ? Subject: The Throbs I have this Metallica record - $5.98 garage tapes which has a song - Last Caress, someone told me that this is a song by The Throbs (I think or was it Gangrene). So I went out and bought Thieves and Vagabonds by the Throbs and after listening to it I somehow don't think that they did this song, anyone know? Seb ~ Space - The Final Frontier ~ ~ Sebastian J. Welton  SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET ~ ~ European Space Operations Centre  MVS + VM Operations Analyst ~ ~ Darmstadt, Germany  C.S.S.G. ECD/CS Meteosat Ops. ~ ~ Standard disclaimers ensue forthwith ~ And oh, as yes the sky did turn to night, I shield my eyes and hide from the bright of day and cast the stone deep into the field of man and hide in shame, and low the flag raised in vain and close my mind to this lost day and shield my body with ferns of grey and ask no more of life unsaved and smile no more and lay here scaved, become the tombstone of my grave. .YNNi NUYCLiAr, diM diOLCh. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1991 11:19:50 EDT From: Jeff Tucker Subject: The Throbs i was under the impression that was a misfits song. maybe? _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1991 10:00:37 MDT From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: more flui Well another great show by the Fluid in denver wed night 8/21. Small bar, 21 and over crowd - started out with some slampunks trying to be too mean, fights almost started - John (lead singer) said to the slampunk; "Hey you gotta cool you shit man - one fight and I am outta here, it's happy music so settle the fuck down." was better rest of show... many more details to follow when I get a spare hour. stoltz and I talked to John for about 1 hour before the show on labels, subpar, new record deals, shows, tapes, videos, REM, buzzcocks, touring my knowledge of new song lyrics (ha ha), and then after the show we chatted for awhile too. James is also good fun. details of this should be coming soon if anyone cares. ::j _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1991 13:59:29 EDT From: Rob Vaughn Subject: no subject (file transmission) Hey there, grungaholics, 56 mentions: >They [Mudhoney] are leaving Seattle for England August 8, then will tour the >US witheGas Huffer throughout Sept. Shouldn't be missed for anything! I would really appreciate tour information. If anyone hears anything about the Mudmen coming through town, puullleeezzzeee let me know! Saw the new SP Seaweed CD but I have it on order and didn't buy it. I finally received Rein Sanction's "Broc's Cabin" and it's just wonderful, buzzing and swirling off-tune grunge, and Codiene's "Frigid Stars" which reminded me a lot of the drug codiene (taken for medical reasons, of course) - slow, blurred, kinda lame. Very unimpressive. The Scientists' LP is still not out, nor is the vinyl Mudhoney. Argh! The June/July and Aug singles are still missing, as well. woj sez: >picked up "the dropping well" ep by the dustdevils this past weekend. yip! >i'm not sure exactly what they are trying to do, but they certainly managed >to make sonic youth look silly even before sonic youth was using melody in ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I will leave this flame-bait untouched, you heathen. There's a new Sonic Youth "Goo" video out. Basically, it's all the songs from the album, each with a separate video from a different director. Should prove interesting. I just order mine, only $14.95. Since the sound on a video is supposed to rival a CD, seems to me like one could just buy the video and make a tape of the music? Anyway, if anyone sees this before I get it, please let me know. Alan sez: >I can understand why so many people trust SubPop; it's a jungle out >there in indie land, and if you don't have lotsa bucks, or if you >don't work at a community radio station, you'll stir the pot you know. Basically I think this holds true for me. I also find that the Singles' Club had introduced me to dozens of bands I really like but would never have heard of. I also think the fact that (until recently) they've been producing a steady stream of output (on the average of three or four singles and an LP a month) has helped keep them in the spotlight, as well as upping the odds that they'll come out with something that someone will like. >Teenage Fanclub's CD, on Matador You know, I guess I'm missing something. I have this LP and although it ain't too bad, it just doesn't grab me. Why? I also finally got The Jesus Lizard's "Goat" but that doesn't bowl me over either. Everyone said that it was better than "Head" but I don't see why? >> Some author (Harlan Ellison perhaps) once said that it's a mistake to meet >> your idols, as they will always disappoint you. This is probably why I'd BTW, actually, Ellison was loosely quoting a French author whose name escapes me at the moment. If for some crazed reason people want the reference, I can get it. Jon sez: >Well, I never met Harlan Ellison, But I have met Bruce P of Sub pop, I met >hime in a casual way at CBGBs while watching Urge Overkill at last years New >Music Seminar. He tols me he was Bruce from Seattle, but I didn't make the >connection until I saw his ID tag the next day. In fact he is the only not >networked reader of this list. He was more that cool. I supose he still is. It could also be the case that Pavitt & Co. are pretty successful and have been in the limelight, and thus people become jealous and resentful. I know I'm that way sometimes, when I meet someone who makes me feel like a useless waste-product 'cause they're doing wonderful stuff. New Soundgarden due out on 9/24, and a new Tin Machine LP (Bowie's best work ever, IMHO) on 9/7. Still haven't bought that Meat Puppets yet. Rob _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1991 14:06:12 EDT From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Metallica query and a list compilation offer Grunge-o-matics, Seb asks: >I have this Metallica record - $5.98 garage tapes which has a song - Last >Caress, someone told me that this is a song by The Throbs (I think or was Bah. I should know this. I'll see what I can dig up when I get home. The Misfits song is "Green Hell" from _Earth A.D._. There's a Budgie song too, although the cover on the Creeping Death single was better IMHO. At least you can hear the bass on those EPs. Exby-dudeage-mon crows: >Well another great show by the Fluid in denver wed night 8/21. >many more details to follow when I get a spare hour. stoltz >and I talked to John for about 1 hour before the show on labels, >subpar, new record deals, shows, tapes, videos, REM, buzzcocks, touring >my knowledge of new song lyrics (ha ha), and then after the show >we chatted for awhile too. James is also good fun. details of this >should be coming soon if anyone cares. I care. Let's hear it. So, would anyone be interested in a list of indie labels that do mail order? I'd be willing to maintain it. If so, send me some contributions. I buy 3/4 of all my stuff via mail order, since the prices are hard to beat and I don't have to deal with snotty salesgrunts. A comment on the style of music offered (grunge, industo-dance, acoustic, foreign, varied, etc.) would also be good. Rob _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1991 12:51:12 MDT From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: Metallica query and a list compilation offer On Thu Aug 22 1991 2:06pm, Rob Vaughn (rob@SNOOPY.MSC.CORNELL.EDU) wrote: > Grunge-o-matics, > > >and I talked to John for about 1 hour before the show on labels, > >subpar, new record deals, shows, tapes, videos, REM, buzzcocks, touring > >my knowledge of new song lyrics (ha ha), and then after the show > >we chatted for awhile too. James is also good fun. details of this > >should be coming soon if anyone cares. > > I care. Let's hear it. > yeah I'll be typing in all the things we talked about in as much detail as I can remember this weekend I hope ok? It wasnt any interview so I didnt tape the thing :-) we just chatted and rambled on about lots of fluid and music things. and other bar chatter between denver dudes... John is a good guy and now looks as if I've and "IN" with the band...hah haha then again.... seriously fluid fans - the chat will be posted here first. ::j _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1991 15:12:11 EDT From: Ron Rader Subject: Danzig and a hearty-hi-ho to a mail order list Roberto sed: > [talkin' about the Metallica $5.98 Garage Days Revisited] > The Misfits song is "Green Hell" from _Earth A.D._. Speaking of Misfits and things related, does anybody know what the deal is with our boy Glenn Danzig? Somebody told me there's an album due out soon, but since I never read any record industry rags (unless you count Goldmine ;) ), I never find out any of this stuff. I really dig both Danzig albums, let alone the Misfits and Samhain. > So, would anyone be interested in a list of indie labels that do mail order? > I'd be willing to maintain it. I say we give the job to Rob. I want to know, since I never do mail order from actual record labels, just those back-alley bootleg guys. It would be nice to get the jump on the retail outlets with their bullcrap and large $$$. Oh yeah, I don't know if he's subscribed yet, but Chip Hart should be here soon. He's a cool guy from Vermont who enjoys taunting the boneheads on the metal alias almost as much as I do. Welcome! -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Soundgarden and Bruce Pavitt Date: Thu, 22 Aug 91 17:37:13 EDT > New Soundgarden due out on 9/24, and a new Tin Machine LP (Bowie's best work > ever, IMHO) on 9/7. Still haven't bought that Meat Puppets yet. > AAActually, The new Soundgarden LP is supposed to be out in 6 weeks, Which I target as the first week of October. This is according to A&M records. I managed to schmooze a copy off of Chris Cornell's(no relation to Rob 8) ) wifey, Susan Silver this week. I called up and spoke to a secretary (totally bumbled the pitch, went something like... Hi... a... I know Soundgarden... Do you think I can scam a copy of the album off of you?) THe Lovely Christine called me back a few hours later saying they will send a copy soon, they are waiting for more tapes from A&M and could they have my address. My guess is that I will get a copy of it when the single comes out in two weeks, "Jesus Christ pose". BTW the album is called Bad Motor Finger. No tour plans are in the works. I will post more info as I get it. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1991 14:42:09 EDT From: Chip Hart Subject: Seaweed > Saw the new SP Seaweed CD but I have it on order and didn't buy it. I just got it yesterday, so I can post a review of it tomorrow, if anyone's interested. To make a long story short, it's better than Codeine. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I hunt, therefore I am... _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1991 15:34:26 -0700 From: ramaley%CSLI.STANFORD.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Metallica query and a list compilation offer I have a list of 1,100 plus record labels lying around. I'll send it to some coordinator if she or he wants, but I don't think I should post it to the list, due to size. -- Alan Aitken Ramaley (415) 326-9546, P. O. Box 9217, Stanford, CA 94309 Aquarius _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1991 21:08:01 EDT From: woj Subject: the perfect disaster for those of you who like some pop melodies in your grunge, check out the latest release by the perfect disaster called _heavenscent_ (or is that _heaven sent_? i can't recall). whatever it's called, it's both dirty guitar playing with the hooks of a lifetime. check it out... woj@remus.rutgers.edu -- smou/dj-for-hire -- mentally alert (try reading) _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1991 15:13:38 +0300 From: t Viikari Subject: Re: The Throbs The song is originally by the Misfits (USA). -t _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1991 14:37:11 EDT From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Metallica query and a list compilation offer > Seb asks: > >I have this Metallica record - $5.98 garage tapes which has a song - Last > >Caress, someone told me that this is a song by The Throbs (I think or was It's the Misfits. Glenn Danzig. While I love Metallica's version, the original is outstanding. Second to perhaps, "Bullet" for his best vocals. The other half of the song, Green Hell, is also the Misfits. By the way, the above is my first post to the grunge list and I am ECSTATIC about being on it. I have no idea what's been discussed on this list, but: Is anyone else disappointed with the new Skin Yard? I LOVE Fist Sized Chunks, but I'm not too sure about the new one. However, the new Flour and Surgery are keeping me happy. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I hunt, therefore I am... _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1991 18:32:22 +0100 From: Daniel Cohen Subject: Mudhoney gig Three of us were supposed to be going last week to see Mudhoney at the Astoria - but one pulled out when buying tickets and the other felt ill on the day. It's no fun on your own so I sold the tickets and resigned myself to missing this tour. BUT, the gig I missed got great reviews so they scheduled another gig which I found out about just in time. Mudhoney at The Venue - 22/8/91 ******************************* First band on were Captain America. They're "supposed" to sound like Teenage Fan Club and didn't get much of a response, but I thought they were OK. Scottish, I think, and very solid - made a good support band but I wouldn't go specially to see them. Next were Hole. I hadn't heard or seen Hole before and was very impressed. An American mainly-female four-piece playing some wild stuff, a bit like Babes in Toyland. The guitarist ( the only male member of the band ) seemed to be having difficulty keeping himself from diving off the stage and at one point he did it - guitar and all. The lead singer ( Courteney? ) also decided she wanted to be one with her audience and it took a couple of minutes for her to make it back to the stage! Great stuff - I even bought the T-shirt. We were wondering how Mudhoney could top that but I think they did - just! They opened with their current single ( #1 in the UK Indie charts ) followed by Touch Me I'm Sick. For once the slam-dancing was too much for me and I had to move back a bit after the first 3 numbers to catch my breath. But seriously, the atmosphere seemed a bit more aggressive than at the previous Mudhoney gig I'd been too. I got the impression that a ( very small ) proportion of the audience were just there for a bit of gratuitous violence. Anyway, I can't remember what other numbers were played but I knew most of them so they must have been from the two albums ( have they released a third yet? ). Things got a little hectic in the encore. The lead singer came back on stage wearing Courteney's dress but after diving into the audience ( still singing into the mike ) he lost it, and next appeared on stage in his boxers. The stage was, by this time, almost full, with many members of the audience almost permanently on; then the bouncers started getting into fights over people removing mike-stands etc. However, the atmosphere remained good, if a little anarchic, and the set ended with good humour all round. A great gig, with a real party atmosphere. I think this may have been due to its being the end of the tour AND the day before the Reading Festival - so there were several musicians in the audience who would be playing the next day ( today! I'm missing the Festival! ) So come on folks! Where's the discussion on Sub-Pop music? I want advice on who else to try! Daniel Cohen Department of Computer Science Email: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk Queen Mary and Westfield College Tel: +44 71 975 5245/4/9 Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK Fax: +44 81 980 6533 **** Keep it outta my face **** _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1991 14:02:38 EDT From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Spread the grunge word when school starts Alan sez: >I have a list of 1,100 plus record labels lying around. I'll send it >to some coordinator if she or he wants, but I don't think I should >post it to the list, due to size. I think I have a copy of this list, and I was going to glean some info from it, but that one has labels, promotional offices, radio stations, etc. I'm only interested in compiling a list of addresses that offer mail order, whether a label, distributor, or collector. If the list you have is different, could y'all please mail me off a copy? Thanks. Chip Hart sez: >>I have this Metallica record - $5.98 garage tapes which has a song - Last >>Caress, someone told me that this is a song by The Throbs (I think or was >It's the Misfits. Glenn Danzig. While I love Metallica's version, the >original is outstanding. Second to perhaps, "Bullet" for his best vocals. Yup, Last Caress is Misfits. Here's the Metallica cover info I know - feel free to correct me and/or add info: Garage Days Revisited/Creeping Death single "Am I Evil?" - Budgie "Blitzkrieg" - ??? I forget, used to know, sigh. Garage Days Re-revisited "Helpless" - Budgie "The Small Hours" - ??? "The Wait" - Killing Joke, first LP "Crash Course in Brain Surgery" - ??? "Last Caress/Green Hell" - Misfits "Last Blurb" - Iron Maiden (of course) >However, the new Flour and Surgery are keeping me happy. I second the Surgery recommendation. Like 'em better than Helmet, although the latter has been getting lots of good live reviews in all the rags I read. >> Saw the new SP Seaweed CD but I have it on order and didn't buy it. >I just got it yesterday, so I can post a review of it, if anyone's interested. I'm interested, let's hear it. I definitely think the Codeine LP is a definite "miss". Too boring. Rob _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1991 14:58:52 EDT From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Spread the grunge word when school starts In the words of Rob Vaughn: > Garage Days Revisited/Creeping Death single > "Am I Evil?" - Budgie Nope, that's by Diamond Head > "Blitzkrieg" - ??? I forget, used to know, sigh. By, believe it or not, Blitzkrieg > Garage Days Re-revisited > "Helpless" - Budgie Again, that's by Diamond Head > "The Small Hours" - ??? By Holocaust, a REAL obscure Scottish band. > "Crash Course in Brain Surgery" - ??? Ok, THIS one's by Budgie! > I second the Surgery recommendation. Like 'em better than Helmet, although > the latter has been getting lots of good live reviews in all the rags I read. I saw Helmet about 6 months ago and they were INCREDIBLE. Only the band responsible for the covers above was better live. When I got to the show, the guys I thought were roadies were actually the band (skinny white-breads). Then, wow. Super-fudge-chunk groove. Really loud. Really tight. A lot of screaming. Some guy got knocked unconcious in the "pit" (I say that 'cause there were only 25 other people in the place). I would recommned these guys to ANYONE into metal/grunge/or cool music. > I'm interested, let's hear it. I definitely think the Codeine LP is a > definite "miss". Too boring. Well, it's better then Codeine. Really short (28 min). Schooled at the "Mark Arm" college of vocals. It's good, grungy, Sup Pop music. However, I've only heard it twice and I confuse it with the new Skin Yard. Monday morning will have my better review. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I hunt, therefore I am... _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1991 15:25:05 -0700 From: dougo%SODA.BERKELEY.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Spread the grunge word when school starts > > "Crash Course in Brain Surgery" - ??? > Ok, THIS one's by Budgie! I believe "Breadfan" is also by Budgie. And "The Prince" is by Diamondhead. Or do I have them backward? This is from memory. -- DougO _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1991 15:13:19 MDT From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: fluid pt1 Well last Wed night, Denver CO - at Seven South Broadway the Fluid were playing and seeing how the place only holds 175 or so, stoltz and I decided to get there early to make sure we didnt miss anything. Arriving at about 830pm or so, we sat drinking Anchor Steam at the bar when Fluid frontman, lead-singer John Robinson shows up with his wife. Recognizing us from many past shows and chats in Ft. Collins he sits next to us and we begin talking about misc music things and whatnot for the next hour+. I am going to relay as much as I can remember with Peter filling in details I missed, ok pete? Standard disclaimers apply as I am paraphrasing since this was over 72hrs ago.... =========================== Part 1 John Robinson : Fluid lead singer and confetti tosser: - On a new record contract. A company called London records recently showed a LOT of interest in the band. John was in contact with them every day for awhile, and the Prez and some other office person came down to the Colo Spgs show a few weeks ago to hear and view the new material. London liked what the heard and promised to get back with them very soon. They did, but the Prez wanted to "bring John out into the forefront of the band more" [like a new Jim Morrison??] and also to have a few acoustic ballads on the new album. John nixed that fast because they don't wany ANYONE telling them what kind of songs to play. Not to mention John didnt want this "solo image" type of thing. John and James may do some acoustic songs that James has already written someday, but they want to decide when and where they are going to play them. So, the London deal has fallen through and basically now John is still talking to the big ones: Virgin, A&M, geffen etc...but it's more like the Fluid going after them and the record company sitting back not pursuing really. A very sloooow process as John calls it. A big sticking point being the companies want a 30% cut of next LP and the Fluid have so much confidence the next one is a biggy they only want to part with 10% I guess. - On song writing and new songs, releases..etc.. Most of the new songs: DMZ (not then songs real name John admits), Lies, I said I've had Enough, My Kind, Waves, Rain are all "ready to record now. "We've got the backing vocals and harmonies finished now and it's really just a matter of getting into a studio." Rain and Enough are slower but still with nice James grinds, while the others are all hi-charged geetar songs with mean Garrett holding down tuff beats on drums. John normally writes lyrics after Matt/James/Ricky come up with the song from a musical standpoint. Sometimes things he has written in the past can be pulled in, but John goes off how the songs "feel - happy, sad, energetic" etc... James hasnt done much lyrical writing since GirlBomb and SaccharineRejection. It appeared to me that Matt and James are the guys mainly coming up with the new music today. Once a new record deal is signed, they do have enough "outtakes and old songs we could bring forward" to make a compilation type of CD as well as this new LP which John thinks is going to be big, Big, BIG. [which I agree with] They also will be on an upcoming Buzzcocks-covers CD doing "Oh Shit" 1min33sec long - John hopes its the shortest on the CD. The Didjits will also be doing a song on it as well. [I cant remember the name though -damn] But basically "if we signed a record contract today, the EARLIEST we'd have an album out is the spring. And the way things a going now [sloooww] who knows?" So don't expect anything out soon unfortunately. - On touring again in the future. John now does want to go on a short american tour he admits, and has valid reasons for it. One being to make some money because now they can "ask for and receive" more $. But other members in the band dont want to hit the road for valid reasons as well. So they are staying put for awhile and doing the Colorado tour thing: Ft Collins, denver, boulder, colo spgs. The next time they do go out they want to have enough $$$ [possibly after a new record deal I think] so they can stay in clean hotel rooms with showers instead of on "peoples floors and dirty carpets - hell we've been doing that for 5 years now". John, upon seeing my Didjits shirt, would also "love to hook up with them cool Didjits and go play many dates" I promised to somehow get that info back to chambana and Rick Sims to maybe get the idea around. The Fluid did play with the Didjits in 1986 I think? If this tour comes together, stoltz and I are on sabbatical and we're going with them. - On baseball players. "Ya know, baseball players these days are looking fat! God the only guys in shape are those ones that steal bases." John commented on this during the Sox-tigers game on at the bar that night. Moments late, cecil "sasquatch butt" fielder strides to the plate. We all have a good laugh. ========================== Coming Soon: Part 2 - will contain: John Robinson : Fluid lead singer and confetti tosser: - On Subpop - On British Press and show last year. - On REM, pop songs, and the Didjits. - Videos, bootlegs and misc. ::j _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1991 12:15:55 EDT From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Spread the grunge word when school starts > I believe "Breadfan" is also by Budgie. And "The Prince" is by > Diamondhead. You got it. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I hunt, therefore I am... _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1991 12:23:00 EDT From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: your mail > Raven I lived by this band for a while in high school. They did a tour with Metallica back in the EARLY days. They were great, then put on hockey equipment and lost touch with reality. If you want a suggestion, try "All For One," or "Rock Until You Drop." Good stuff. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I hunt, therefore I am... _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1991 14:56:41 -0400 From: Ronald Levasseur Subject: uh huh.... Hey grungers, f*ck, i just brought my 'every good boy deserves fudge'. i've had it in my office for a couple of weeks. i'll go right home tonight and try to decipher some of those lyrics. i think the new album is cool, but they don't retain the evil grunge that they produced on their earlier work. what i do recommend is their 'Let It Slide' single. some killer tracks on that one. jjt mentioned he wanted tour dates for mudhoney. well, i'm going to get tix for their show in boston today. So here's my tour date. mudhoney w/superchunk! the channel, 25 necco st, boston ma. $5.50/6.50 21+ September 13, 1990, that's a friday. i've never seen mudhoney but will die and go to heaven when i do. i was looking through some of my magazines and i found an interview that they did in the bob (a british fan mag) last year. if anyone is interested, i might type it in. i also have the little interview they just cut in spin a couple o months ago. does anyone have any info about nirvana??? i know they got the gig with dgc. i heard rumors that they would have the album out by last may, but apparently not. i need my nirvana fix!!! also, can we expect something new from superchunk this year? hmmmmm.... ronnnnnnnnnnbo |Ronald Levasseur | Internet: ronbo@bucsf.bu.edu | Bitnet: csco2bc@buacca v ToUch mE, i`m SiCK! _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1991 12:06:54 PDT From: dyslexia Subject: Re: uh huh.... What is your band called? ARe you located in the SEattle area? Why don't you just fill in the blanks with your own words? I was just wondering, why are you covering this song and what do you think it's about? Mudhoney is touring the US starting next week with a show in Minneapolis around 9/1. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1991 14:24:48 CDT From: "Some Obsessions Are Just What You Need . . ." Subject: Re: uh huh.... A Mudhoney Show in Minneapolis around the 1st? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have to be in the cities around then to pick up my granddad at the airport (he took a vacation to the 'old country'), and I can stop up a day before! Yay!!! Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "It's 'Louder than Love' but don't think I know what it means" -Soul Asylum, "Gullible's Travels" _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1991 14:27:00 EST From: JJT7927%RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Hey guys, Me and my band are going to cover 'Good Enough', track three on the new Mudhoney LP. I got most of the lyrics right, I think. Just wondering if anybody can figure out what he says here--- | Good Enough | =========== | | What made it fix {?} <--------------------| yea ah, sure I'll make again | Guess I liked her enough | The first, time around | | No way to fight them | No use to {?} 'em <---------------------| The way it grows, uh huh what ever happens Never thought for a second That I let go, uh huh Everybody says 'You must have lost your head' Well one more time is good enough for me Yea one more time is good enough for me Mmmm, it's a hard road to you heart {pause} And there was a time when I never thought I'd get that far uh huh Everybody says 'You must have lost your head' Well one more time is good enough for me Yea one more time is good enough for me ---------------------------------------------- If you notice any other errors, it would be greatly appreciated. We already do a rendition of 'Touch Me, I'm Sick'. I introduced the other members to this song and now they love it. They really took a liking to Mudhoney :)> Any info on Mudhoney tours coming up, like dates and places. thanks joe@rit Home of the TLA's _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1991 15:41:29 EDT From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: uh huh.... > does anyone have any info about nirvana??? i know they got the gig with > dgc. i heard rumors that they would have the album out by last may, but > apparently not. i need my nirvana fix!!! also, can we expect something new > from superchunk this year? hmmmmm.... After signing for an unprecedented 3 record/$750,000 deal, they've RECORDED an album, but for some reason unknown to me, they haven't released it. I'd expect it soon. Once, I interviewed Jason Newsted backstage about a month after Bleach had come out. I'd asked him if he'd heard it; he said no. Now, in Rolling Stone, Hammett mentions how cool they are and how much he likes them, etc. I'd like to take totally undeserved credit. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I hunt, therefore I am... _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1991 15:30:00 EST From: JJT7927%RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: uh huh, yea yea yea Hey People, Thanks for the feed back on my Mudhoney query. >What is your band called? ARe you located in the SEattle area? We're called _fieldfresh_. We're outta Rochester NY. It's me and a couple friends from school. We're going to start playing out this Fall, probably campus apartment parties mostly. We all go to Rochester Institute of Technology. We want to get up enough material soon, so we can play out. School starts next week for us so we're anxious to get new material. >Why don't you just fill in the blanks with your own words? That's what I was figuring on doing, but I thought, 'What the hell', might as well run it up the flag pole and see who salutes. >I was just wondering, why are you covering this song and what do you >think it's about? I love this song, I love the whole album, but something about this song really gets me going. I think it's that funky drum thing. I'd love to hear my drummer play that, she can really kick it. >Mudhoney is touring the US starting next week with a show in >Minneapolis around 9/1. Thanks, anybody know of any tour dates in my area, including: Toronto, Buffalo, Rochester, Ithaca, NYC, Philly, or anything close. Thanks again, joe@rit Home of the TLA's _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1991 16:00:16 -0600 From: STOLTZ PETER Subject: Re: uh huh.... Chip says Nirvana signed a 3 record deal...what label are they with?? _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1991 18:02:19 -0400 From: Ronald Levasseur Subject: uh huh.... Nirvana signed with DGC (David Geffen). ronnnnnnnnnnnnnnbo |Ronald Levasseur | Internet: ronbo@bucsf.bu.edu | Bitnet: csco2bc@buacca v ToUch mE, i`m SiCK! _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1991 18:03:22 EDT From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: uh huh.... > What made it fix {?} <--------------------| Sounds like, "Well, I've made mistakes..." if you ask me. > No use to {?} 'em <---------------------| No way to deny 'em How's that? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I hunt, therefore I am... _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1991 15:06:59 PDT From: dyslexia Subject: NIrvana THe new album is due out September 17. The first single is already out, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and it's so damn good. The new album will contain this song as well as "In Blume" and other songs they've been performing live for some time now. It's truly an awesome album, and they've compromised nothing being on a major. DGC recently signed Teenage Fanclub as well. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1991 18:14:30 EDT From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: uh huh.... > Chip says Nirvana signed a 3 record deal...what label are they with?? DGC, or David Geffen Records (right?), which I believe he no longer owns. I read somewhere that the $$ given was the biggest contract jump from indie to major label ever. I heard from a station manager who spoke to someone else (blah blah blah), who stated that Nirvana and Mudhoney had both recorded and were just waiting to print them. That was 2 months ago, so we'll see. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I hunt, therefore I am... _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1991 19:18:05 -0700 From: dougo%SODA.BERKELEY.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: uh huh.... > > Chip says Nirvana signed a 3 record deal...what label are they with?? > > DGC, or David Geffen Records (right?), which I believe he no > longer owns. I read somewhere that the $$ given was the > biggest contract jump from indie to major label ever. Didn't DGC just sign the Stone Roses for $20 million? (Or was that 20 mil pounds?) Dunno how many albums in the contract, but it's still a lot of money (I think they deserve it, though). -- DougO _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1991 10:11:07 CET From: ? Subject: Really to Chip, but some problems with our mailer Chip, > Raven :I lived by this band for a while in high school. They did a :tour with Metallica back in the EARLY days. They were great, :then put on hockey equipment and lost touch with reality. :If you want a suggestion, try "All For One," or "Rock Until :You Drop." Good stuff. It's a bit of a coincidence this band was brought up as it has been the topic of conversation at a pub I drink in. A girl I met there is at present going out with one of the members even though they spend most of their time in the USA. I presume we are talking about the same band though, started in Newcastle (UK) in the early 80's and relocated to the USA. Saw them in about '83, I thought they were okay but there were many bands like this at that time. ~ Space - The Final Frontier ~ ~ Sebastian J. Welton  SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET ~ ~ European Space Operations Centre  MVS + VM Operations Analyst ~ ~ Darmstadt, Germany  C.S.S.G. ECD/CS Meteosat Ops. ~ ~ Standard disclaimers ensue forthwith ~ And oh, as yes the sky did turn to night, I shield my eyes and hide from the bright of day and cast the stone deep into the field of man and hide in shame, and low the flag raised in vain and close my mind to this lost day and shield my body with ferns of grey and ask no more of life unsaved and smile no more and lay here scaved, become the tombstone of my grave. .YNNi NUYCLiAr, diM diOLCh. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1991 12:20:37 EDT From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: uh huh.... > Didn't DGC just sign the Stone Roses for $20 million? (Or was that 20 mil > pounds?) Dunno how many albums in the contract, but it's still a lot of > money (I think they deserve it, though). Jesus, I don't think the ROLLING Stones get that much money. I'd check your sources. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I hunt, therefore I am... _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1991 12:45:43 EDT From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Really to Chip, but some problems with our mailer > It's a bit of a coincidence this band was brought up as it has been > the topic of conversation at a pub I drink in. A girl I met there is > at present going out with one of the members even though they spend most > of their time in the USA. I presume we are talking about the same band > though, started in Newcastle (UK) in the early 80's and relocated to > the USA. Saw them in about '83, I thought they were okay but there were > many bands like this at that time. Dear God, are they still making albums? After they lost their drummer (what was his name, Wacko?), I thought they'd really lost it. For a three piece, they do kick ass...or rather, they did. The name of my radio show in school was "Faster than the Speed of Light," for a while, in tribute to them. Oh reminiscing on the grunge mailing list...sorry folks. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I hunt, therefore I am... grunge/grunge03.txt100444 0 0 3560660 6311535330 12714 0ustar rootroot GRUNGE-L ARCHIVES Vol. 3!!!! (c) 1992 Jon J. Hilgreen The following is a compilation of articles sent to the grunge rock discussion mailing list, grunge-l@ubvm. This file has been edited for clairity and non-related subject matter. The messages written below are not quotes, do not hold the below mentioned people responsible, due to the chance of altered text. This file is subject to restrictions of The Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986, USC 2510-2511, as amended. Unlawful interception and/or redistribution of this file is a Federal crime, punishable by a maximium $10,000.00 dollar fine, and/or imprisonment for up to five years. Of course, you do have permission to redistribute it, as long as you say where you got it. Jon J. Hilgreen, list owner GRUNGE-L@UBVM --rockin@mudhoney.micro.umn.edu /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From: STOLTZ PETER Subject: correction... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1991 16:14:50 -0600 Slight correction to XB's post about the Fluid's new songs. The name of the new song is "I Said that I'm Through" not "I Said I've Had Enough." Come on, John, get with it! Some more things regarding the Fluid. Supposedly there is an Australian band doing covers of both Cold Outside and Closet Case (the singer for the Australian band had to write to John Robinson of the Fluid for the lyrics!) Does anyone know what Australian band this might be?? Also, there is a record store in NJ somewhere that John from the Fluid put me in touch with that carries all kinds of back catalog Fluid stuff. I just placed my $45 order. If anyone else is having trouble finding Fluid stuff at their local record store, let me know and I'll give you the name and number of this place (they do mail order). -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Some Obsessions Are Just What You Need . . ." Subject: Re: uh huh.... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1991 17:45:35 CDT >> Chip says Nirvana signed a 3 record deal...what label are they with?? >#DGC, or David Geffen Records (right?), which I believe he no >#longer owns. I read somewhere that the $$ given was the >#biggest contract jump from indie to major label ever. David Geffen Company, if it is anything. Records does not start with a "C". It's put out some halfway decent stuff recently, like Warrior Soul. ># I hunt, therefore I am... Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "My manager told me: 'It's 'Louder than Love' but don't think I know what it means'" -Soul Asylum -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Seaweed To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1991 20:27:32 EDT If any of you are familiar with Diamondhead at all, you may (or may not, I suppose), notice that the new Seaweed tune, "One out of Four," bears a strong resemblance to Diamondhead's "Sucking My Love." Well, at least as much as a SP band can resemble a NWOBHM band. BTW, I know I said I'd post a review of the new Seaweed and haven't done so yet. Perhaps it was because I only heard one 'Yea'. Perhaps it's 'cause I've only listened to it three times now. Perhaps 'cause it's not the best thing I've heard ina while. Let's just say that if you need a decent SP fix, this'll do it, but hey, it's no Nirvana. More later, maybe. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I hunt, therefore I am... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: uh huh.... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1991 09:03:40 EDT > ...nothing but a f**king hype for some f**king idiots! Well, f**k that! ;) Cheeziz Chrust, Chip, you've only been on this list a couple of weeks and you've already stolen the Most Grunge Postings title away from Rob and J.Exby. Hmmm, the march of time... -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: uh huh.... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1991 10:23:01 MDT On Wed Aug 28 1991 9:03am, Ron Rader (rlr@bbt.com) wrote: > Subject: "Re: uh huh...." > > Well, f**k that! ;) > > Cheeziz Chrust, Chip, you've only been on this list a couple of weeks and > you've already stolen the Most Grunge Postings title away from Rob and J.Exby. > Hmmm, the march of time... > > ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do hey, thats a title i wont fight for. the substance of my postings does outweigh all of his lil info though. :-) ha ObGrunge: um.....oh I think Nirvana is good but NOT awesome as some folk here. Gimme the JLizards "nub" and "mouthbreather" anytime instead. ahh, the great american liberty : diff of opinion. ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Levasseur Subject: uh huh.... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1991 15:15:27 -0400 Hey, i wrote before: > apparently not. i need my nirvana fix!!! also, can we expect something > new from superchunk this year? hmmmmm.... well, i guess i can partially answer my own question. superchunk has released a new 7 inch called "we are the bread men". the song's vocal harmonies were true to their debut album. i don't know whether they have a new album to go along with it though. i'll try to talk to one of them when they open up for mudhoney here in boston. if you haven't heard superchunk, i severly recommend them. i don't know if anyone would be interested, but i also heard a new pixies tune off of their forthcoming album. it's much harder then they've been in the recent past. it might be worth a listen.... ronnnnnnnnnnbo |Ronald Levasseur | Internet: ronbo@bucsf.bu.edu | Bitnet: csco2bc@buacca v ToUch mE, i`m SiCK! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Kenneth J. Peacock, NYU MUSIC" Subject: Re: uh huh.... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1991 21:06:00 EST Nice to hear about the Pixters. It is about time they trashed that pop edge...nomore "Here comes your man" garbage. Do you know the name of the album and the release date? -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: uh huh.... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1991 13:24:07 EDT >>Cheeziz Chrust, Chip, you've only been on this list a couple of weeks and >>you've already stolen the Most Grunge Postings title away from Rob and J.Exby. >>Hmmm, the march of time... Shit, rlr, if I didn't know better, I'd say that sounds like a complaint. I guess I just feel lonely here in Vermont with no one but a few people I see rarely who've even HEARD of Tad. It's like, sniff, you guys, sniff, sniff, are a new family to me. > hey, thats a title i wont fight for. the substance of my postings > does outweigh all of his lil info though. :-) ha Hey, pal. Watch it. I don't find much substance in this below: :-), duh > > ObGrunge: um.....oh I think Nirvana is good but NOT awesome as some > folk here. Gimme the JLizards "nub" and "mouthbreather" anytime > instead. ahh, the great american liberty : diff of opinion. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I hunt, therefore I am... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blund Subject: Re: Mudhoney gig To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 14:28:36 +0200 > Three of us were supposed to be going last week to see Mudhoney > at the Astoria - but one pulled out when buying tickets and the > other felt ill on the day. It's no fun on your own so I sold > the tickets and resigned myself to missing this tour. > > BUT, the gig I missed got great reviews so they scheduled > another gig which I found out about just in time. > > Mudhoney at The Venue - 22/8/91 > ******************************* > > First band on were Captain America. They're "supposed" to sound > like Teenage Fan Club and didn't get much of a response, but I > thought they were OK. Scottish, I think, and very solid - made > a good support band but I wouldn't go specially to see them. The singer of Captain America appeared on the Reading Festival with Nirvana singing a bit on one of their songs (don't remember which). Two members of TFC were in the audience at the Venue. > > Next were Hole. I hadn't heard or seen Hole before and was very > impressed. An American mainly-female four-piece playing some > wild stuff, a bit like Babes in Toyland. The guitarist ( the > only male member of the band ) seemed to be having difficulty > keeping himself from diving off the stage and at one point he > did it - guitar and all. The lead singer ( Courteney? ) also > decided she wanted to be one with her audience and it took a > couple of minutes for her to make it back to the stage! > Great stuff - I even bought the T-shirt. > > We were wondering how Mudhoney could top that but I think they > did - just! They opened with their current single ( #1 in the > UK Indie charts ) followed by Touch Me I'm Sick. For once the > slam-dancing was too much for me and I had to move back a bit > after the first 3 numbers to catch my breath. But seriously, > the atmosphere seemed a bit more aggressive than at the > previous Mudhoney gig I'd been too. I got the impression that > a ( very small ) proportion of the audience were just there > for a bit of gratuitous violence. > > Anyway, I can't remember what other numbers were played but I > knew most of them so they must have been from the two albums > ( have they released a third yet? ). Things got a little > hectic in the encore. The lead singer came back on stage > wearing Courteney's dress but after diving into the audience > ( still singing into the mike ) he lost it, and next appeared > on stage in his boxers. The stage was, by this time, almost > full, with many members of the audience almost permanently on; > then the bouncers started getting into fights over people > removing mike-stands etc. However, the atmosphere remained > good, if a little anarchic, and the set ended with good humour > all round. > > A great gig, with a real party atmosphere. I think this may > have been due to its being the end of the tour AND the day > before the Reading Festival - so there were several musicians > in the audience who would be playing the next day ( today! I'm > missing the Festival! ) The show was filmed and offered for sale after the concert. I've got the leaflet at home if anyone wants the address. The price is 18 pounds for VHS video and 5 for audio tape. This is the best concert I've ever seen. Imagine Mark singing Hate The Police in a white dress...... Fantastic! > > So come on folks! Where's the discussion on Sub-Pop music? I want > advice on who else to try! > > Daniel Cohen Department of Computer Science > Email: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk Queen Mary and Westfield College > Tel: +44 71 975 5245/4/9 Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK > Fax: +44 81 980 6533 **** Keep it outta my face **** > | _ johnerik@ifi.uio.no | |_| | | | John-Erik Johansen | ___| |_ Hey man , smell my finger !!!!! Porfyrvn. 20 | / | |o| \ 3140 BORGHEIM | | | | | | NORWAY | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JJT7927%RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: the pixies To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 08:52:00 EST Hey People, Not exactly sure how accurate the source is but I've heard that the new Pixies album is due out on October 8th and is called 'Tromp LeMonde'. To add to the previous discussion on their latest stuff, I for one sure hope they return to their earlier style, like in Surfer Rosa and Come One Pilgrim. Just an opinion. Still anxiously awaiting it's arrival. joe@rit -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: sonic youth discussion To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 12:13:39 EDT Jeff T asks: >is sonic youth open for discussion here ? I would say yes but everyone knows what a Sonic Youth weenie I am. I would consider them grungy and independent enough to warrant discussion but let's see what the others say. If not, feel free to send me email if you've got questions or comments or something. I always have time for SY-chat. Yeah, I know I haven't been my usual big mouth self... Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I am not a 32 year old woman. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John B Sampson Subject: Sonic Youth To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 12:39:54 -0500 I have been following the discussion of all the Seattle-based grunge bands passively for a while. Not to steal any time from them, but I would like to hear more about Sonic Youth. I'm just an average fan -- have all the albums, seen 'em a few times, etc. Is Sonic Youth grunge? Who knows. But grunge bands seem to dig Sonic Youth. Like the shitty recording of "Death Valley '69" playing at the end of a tune on Ultramega OK. Or the Mudhoney album jacket with the Confusion is Sex T-shirt in the picture. Anybody with some cool SY info can e-mail me any time. Later. "Left home for xperience. Carved 'suk for honesty' on my chest." SY -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: My heart belongs to anneliese Subject: Re: sonic youth discussion To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 12:52:03 CDT Talk to me about Sonic Youth. They are grungier on their major label release than much indie stuff I've heard, although I would catalog most Neil Young and Crazy Horse stuff as grunge, myself. Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "Get out of my way or I'm gonna shove" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Levasseur Subject: Sonic Youth To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 14:23:52 -0400 yyyo, > Is Sonic Youth grunge? Who knows. But grunge bands seem to dig Sonic > Youth. Like the shitty recording of "Death Valley '69" playing at the end > of a tune on Ultramega OK. Or the Mudhoney album jacket with the Confusion > is Sex T-shirt in the picture. i think SY has a definite grunge feel, with lots of repetition. but SY are a lot more into the art side of it all, wheras the seattle grunge bands are just into sex, drugs and rock and roll. (there's nothing wrong with that!) a really hip disc is the sonic youth/mudhoney single on which SY did "touch me, i'm sick" and MH in return covered "halloween". it's really hard to find these days, and expensive when you do. but you can catch "halloween" on MH's bigmuff and singles cd. it totally kicks butt... mudhoney and sonic youth have toured together in the past. i have a friend who saw then down in NYC a few years back. i think that woulda been one ballsy show... ronnnnnnnnnnnnnnbo |Ronald Levasseur | Internet: ronbo@bucsf.bu.edu | Bitnet: csco2bc@buacca v she wants me to come she wants me to come she wants me to come she wants me to come along..... -"halloween"- mudhoney -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Re: sonic youth discussion To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Thu, 29 Aug 91 14:48:19 EDT > > Talk to me about Sonic Youth. They are grungier on their major > label release than much indie stuff I've heard, although I would > catalog most Neil Young and Crazy Horse stuff as grunge, myself. > I agree! So let's talk about neil and SY, not talk about talking about them. 8) Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JJT7927%RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: sonic youth discussion To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 14:57:00 EST Hey people, Since we're going to talk about SY and Neil, I'll put my 2 cents in. I hear that Neil is releasing a bunch of stuff this fall. First is a live album, then an EP, then a 3-record set including that EP and a piece full of guitar noise. Neil states it is called 'new age metal' or something like that. Guess it's gonna be like Sonic Death a little. Can't wait to hear it. I don't know how reliable my source is but maybe someone else can confirm my statements or just tear them to pieces and tell me I'm full of shit, whatever. joe@rit -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: My heart belongs to anneliese Subject: Re: sonic youth discussion To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 14:09:51 CDT >Hey people, >Since we're going to talk about SY and Neil, I'll put my 2 cents in. >I hear that Neil is releasing a bunch of stuff this fall. First is a live >album, then an EP,then a 3-record set including that EP and a piece full of >guitar noise. Neil states it is called 'new age metal' or something like that. >Guess it's gonna be like Sonic Death a little. Can't wait to hear it. I don't >know how reliable my source is but maybe someone else can confirm mystatements >or just tear them to pieces and tell me I'm full of shit, whatever. I've heard mention of "Decade Pt.2" in the works, and I've heard word of "Eldorado", a CD of some size or other that contains much of the non-released "Raging Glory" (Or whatever, I think that name is wrong). Crazy Horse stuff and I hope it gets here except thru imports and boots. Beyond that, I'd love to hear if he's still touring, because I was broke and busy when he went thru w/ SY and Social D. >joe@rit Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "If I gave you anything I would give you a kick" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Kenneth J. Peacock, NYU MUSIC" Subject: Smashing Pumpkins etc. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 16:27:00 EST HEY There- I am new to this computer thang and to NYC. I am hoping to find out about some cool bands in the NYC scene. I just moved out here from the Chicago area. I don't exactly know how to operationally define "GRUNGE", but I know what I like. Smashing Pumpkins and Naked Raygun were two of my fave bands to see in Chi-town. In fact the drummer for my old band used to make fun of James Iha(guitarist for Smashing P's) in highschool. WHo's laughing now!? Anyway I dig Sonic Youth, Flaming Lips, Mudhoney and funkcore like Victims Family and Primus. Anyone with info on similar NYC bands and a clear concise definition of GRUNGE please reply. Thanks... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Tucker Subject: badbrains To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 17:15:39 EDT i case anyone is interested the bad brains played cinci a few days ago and were awesome! if they are not grunge i'm sure ill find out about it! also, any body know where a guy could get a copy of the first adolescents record? now thats the kill stuff! comments? -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins etc. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 15:18:15 MDT On Thu Aug 29 1991 4:27pm, "Dr. Kenneth J. Peacock, NYU MUSIC" (PEACOCK@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU) wrote: > Subject: "Smashing Pumpkins etc." > HEY There- > I am new to this computer thang and to NYC. I am hoping to find out about > [] > a clear concise definition of GRUNGE please reply. Thanks... ok, here's my definition of grunge: "its whatever the fuck you want" now put away your categorizations and dictionaries folks. "clear and concise" labels shouldnt exist is music....Aaaarrgh. talk about whatever music you want I say, the bands you mentioned are more than fine. In fact the Lips are AWESOME ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Tucker Subject: definition To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 18:29:58 EDT "whatever the fuck you want" my sentiments exactly lets not get into one of tho se definition arguements again i beg of you!!!! jeff t -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STOLTZ PETER Subject: Pixies To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 16:02:47 -0600 To all of you who are posting the Pixies info, please keep it coming! I must've missed a posting somewhere along the line, is the new album supposedly less pop-sounding than Doolittle? In their defense, I think plenty of tracks on Doolittle were just as good as Surfer Rosa or Come on Pilgrim, albeit not nearly as "noisy." But come on, admit it, you tap your feet and sing along when you hear "Here Comes Your Man." Sure it's pop, but it's good. Does anyone know if they plan to tour with this new album?? As much as I like them, though, I must admit what I heard off of Velouria (however you spell it) didn't really catch my ear. But then again I only listened to it once or twice. Hey, Tod (welcome to the list), you bought Velouria didn't you? What do you think? One last Pixies question. My local record store lists a UK import of some live album, but they've NEVER had it in stock. Does anyone know the deal with this album?? I would love to get ahold of it. Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STOLTZ PETER Subject: Teenage fan club To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 16:05:27 -0600 Just heard my first cut from Teenage Fan Club today and liked it a lot. Can anyone tell me where to start with them?? What's a good album? Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Sonic Pixie Youth Discographites To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 21:13:21 EDT Fellow grunge-goupies, Ronald McDonald-Bo states: >i don't know if anyone would be interested, but i also heard a new pixies >tune off of their forthcoming album. it's much harder then they've been >in the recent past. it might be worth a listen.... Most likely that's off their (currently-European single only) called _Planet of Sound_. It's a lot rougher than most of their current stuff according to Gilles L. (France) and it even includes a cover of the song from the arcade game "Narc" (aptly entitled, "Song from Narc"). _Trompe La Monde_ is supposed to be out in October, and has someone providing "synthesis" on the album. I doubt they'll be wimpy, typical keyboards, but from what Gilles said it isn't quite the return to _Surfer Rosa_ we've all been hoping for. I'm zee author/editor (with a lot of help from four others) of the Pixies discography in the Dave Datta archives. Feel free to request copies. >a really hip disc is the sonic youth/mudhoney single on which SY did >"touch me, i'm sick" and MH in return covered "halloween". it's really >hard to find these days, and expensive when you do. but you can catch >"halloween" on MH's bigmuff and singles cd. it totally kicks butt... You might not ever hear this from me again, but I'll admit that Mudhoney's cover is better than the original (hanging head low). I have the original 7" single, and I've seen them for sale from $100 to $500 (once). There's also a 12" version which is fetching $30-50 last I saw. I recommend this highly, if you like Mudhoney even a little. That "singles" CD is a real bargain. >mudhoney and sonic youth have toured together in the past. i have a friend >who saw then down in NYC a few years back. i think that woulda been one >ballsy show... That was with Laughing Hyenas at The Ritz. I found out about that show an hour before it started, and I was 150 miles away (sob!) Dave "Anneliese" t9aa gavoreets: >Talk to me about Sonic Youth. They are grungier on their major >label release than much indie stuff I've heard, although I would >catalog most Neil Young and Crazy Horse stuff as grunge, myself. You should check out _Confusion is Sex_ and _Bad Moon Rising_. They're both pretty sludgy, although definitely more "arty" and less "rockin'" than the latest album. There's a pretty scary cover of The Stooges' "I Wanna Be Yr Dog" on _CiS_. >From: John B Sampson >Anybody with some cool SY info can e-mail me any time. Later. >"Left home for xperience. Carved 'suk for honesty' on my chest." SY My violence is the number Coming out of prayer Find it in the father Find it in a girl I'm zee author of the Datta archive Sonic Youth discography as well. Copies on request, but I warn that it's a biggy. Mail me John and I'll be happy to send you a copy if you don't already have one. I'm always open for contributions and suggestions, and general email SY-BSing as well. Rob ("...and I'm large here, I'm tellin' ya...") -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thy BERND! Subject: RE: Smashing Pumpkins etc. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 04:57:17 TZONE hi dr. peacock, if your old band recorded something REALLY GOOD & NEW think about releasing something on my NON-PROFIT-PUNK/HC-(CASSETTE-) LABEL. 2nd point is - if you are interested to HC join to the punk-list! *** punk-list-request@cpac.washington.edu (US & Canada) *** or *** punk-list-request@cs.tut.fi (the bigger rest of the world) *** ok - bye - thy BERND! ps - thy only SY i like is the backside of the ciccone youth 12" (burning up feat. the fastest bass-string-changer of the univererse Mike Watt, Mike's playing is the reason why i like this song, he played it almost alone i think). ...and i don't like pixies (black francis played yesterday solo in a cafe here in berlin, i saw that on breakfast-tv!). -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: woj Subject: Re: Pixies To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 05:58:17 EDT STOLTZ PETER sez: >As much as I like them, though, I must admit what I heard off of Velouria >(however you spell it) didn't really catch my ear. agreed...except for "dig for fire" and a few other tracks, this one just kinda fell flat for some reason. which means, of course, that the alter- native press loved it and the college radio scene slobbered it up. >One last Pixies question. My local record store lists a UK import of >some live album, but they've NEVER had it in stock. Does anyone know the >deal with this album?? I would love to get ahold of it. that's not an import - it's a special release by i-forget-who of a concert that was broadcast on wxrt in chicago in 1989 (i think that was the year). it's listed as an import cos it's promotional only. there are copies of it still floating around - i know of one at least within a mile of me (or at least it was there sometime ago). woj@remus.rutgers.edu - smou/dj-for-hire - ignore the sexy interface -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: badbrains To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 08:41:49 EDT Jeff T blurbs: >i case anyone is interested the bad brains played cinci a few days ago >and were awesome! if they are not grunge i'm sure ill find out about it! I second this opinion. The Brains (with a new drummer and singer Chuck Moseley, previously of Faith No More) came to sleepy little Ithaca a week and a half ago and blew out the doors! I was going to write some sort of review but I hadn't the time or inclination. Darryl (bass) and Dr. Know (guitar) are still in the band, and they played a mix of current stuff and what Darryl called "old school Brains", ranging from out-and-out thrashy hardcore to a melodic mix of rap/reggae/punk to pure reggae. The biggest surprise is that Chuck can sing! I expected lots of "gargling glass" screeches and such, but Chuck has a pretty nice voice, some good vocal effects (several of which he used very creatively, IMHO) and has the stage presence of a mannequin, which I quite liked. He said nothing to the crowd, had a black eye, and looked like he'd been beat up about 100 times. Reminded me of Charles Bukowski quite a lot. He seemed to enjoy the music quite a lot and he fits into the Brains outfit much better than he did with FNM. I think he's a more than adequate replacement for HR. Anyway, the pit was pretty heady and the bouncers were tossing a few people out here and there, but mostly left everyone alone. There were a few wankers who seemed intent upon beating on people, and a couple of squirrels who hung near the edge only to run out, trip or shove someone, and retreat back into the crowd boasting of their "accomplishment" (obviously people like that annoy me, no?) It was a sweaty, exhausting and totally satisfying time. They played one encore, for a total time just shy of an hour and a half. The opening band, Lucy Brown, was yet another funk-metal-rap piece o' AOR shit that amused me for about 10 seconds when they cranked out that much of a Zep tune, and it was all downhill from there. The guitarist looks like a Slayer reject, the drummer is a deadhead, the bass player is a DC hardcore guy, and the singer is a total rap head. They have a new LP out on Megaforce/Atlantic (why?) and you will never forgive yourself if you suffer through their set. A definite must-miss. >also, any body know where a guy could get a copy of the first adolescents >record? now thats the kill stuff! comments? I think this is still available from SST. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins etc. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 08:44:48 EDT >> a clear concise definition of GRUNGE please reply. Thanks... >ok, here's my definition of grunge: >"its whatever the fuck you want" >now put away your categorizations and dictionaries folks. >"clear and concise" labels shouldnt exist is music....Aaaarrgh. It's good to see you haven't lost your sense of humor, Xby. ;) Actually, I have to agree with grumpy, even if he did totally pan my attempt at a humorous tongue-in-cheek "definition". Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: pixs To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 07:34:09 MDT hey stoltz! you loser! *I* dont tap my foot to "here comes your man", I turn off my Mtv when I see/hear it! ;-0 but really, I dont own any pizies, I mean SurferRosa is ok but they've never interested me much for some reason. Mainly because I thought they sounded (what people are saying tuff or grunge) when albini turned the knobs, but really they are just a foursome writing pop to be digested by the masses to make lots of money... it's my opinions they've been trying to do this all along...ick. ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JJT7927%RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Ned's To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 08:58:00 EST Hey people, Rob-o-rama states: >Keep the Mudhoney tour dates coming folks. For those in the Rochester area, >Jesus Jones has the honor of playing after Ned's Atomic Dustbin on Sept. 28th. >I still don't have ticket info yet but I'm working on it. Hey Joe, can >you get the poop? Record Archive will be carrying them, they claim. Well, I'm Joe and I'm going to the Archive after work today, so I'll see what I can dig up for you guys. One reason I don't have info already is the fact that I have a wedding on that day back home, arrrrrgghhh. I've been waiting to see these bands for quite a while. It seems everytime they play somewhere remotely close to my whereabouts, shit comes up, oh well. I hear that Ned's puts on quite a show, a friend of mine in Jersey saw them earlier this summer. he said they knock his socks off. Anyways, I'll get that info. joe@rit -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Re: NirvFluid and RLR, that backstabbing, no good... To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Fri, 30 Aug 91 10:09:39 EDT > >> does anyone have any info about nirvana??? i know they got the gig with > >After signing for an unprecedented 3 record/$750,000 deal, > >they've RECORDED an album, but for some reason unknown to me, > > According to a small interview with Kurt Kobain and Mark Arm of Mudhoney > in the last Alt. Press (in a big collection of articles on indie labels) > they received "less than the rumored amounts ($500,000)" which they have to > use towards making the records (geez, _Bleach_ cost $600, I bet they went > crazy and spent $2000 on this one :) and they've got to pay some amount back > if it doesn't sell properly. I loaned the mag to a friend but I can get it > and type in exact quotes if anyone *really* wants to hear 'em. > I dunno... Soundgarden got 500,000 just to make "Louder than love" >>account? > If it's a total emergency I may be able to swing something, Jon. Only if > it's a last resort. > Awww, he's just saying that because he is sore about what I said about DGC! (Note: He sent this before my reply 8) It's a joke son! ) Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: That ole NYC/Chicago thang To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 21:13:37 EDT Doc Peacock queries: >I am new to this computer thang and to NYC. I am hoping to find out about >some cool bands in the NYC scene. I think just about anyone signed to Matador records would be a good bet, but I don't know how "local" to NYC any of them are. I think every band in the world plays somewhere in NYC if they tour at all, so I think you're pretty well off if you've got the time and money. >I just moved out here from the Chicago area. I'd be interested in hearing stories of the Albini/Touch & Go/Chicago scene. >Anyone with info on similar NYC bands and >a clear concise definition of GRUNGE please reply. Thanks... If you ask John Exby in a *really* nice and polite way he'll give you the precise, concise definition, which he has memorized and codified and just loves to post, right John? ;) I still think grunge is good music to pick my nose to, myself. Even when I listen to Fluid, even. Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Oh oh, it's back! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 08:53:07 EDT > Anyone with info on similar NYC bands and > a clear concise definition of GRUNGE please reply. Thanks... Sounds like a clear concise request for Rob's 'What Is Grunge' file. Maybe Jon'll get extra pissed off. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: badbrains To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 09:12:30 EDT > i case anyone is interested the bad brains played cinci a few days ago > and were awesome! if they are not grunge i'm sure ill find out about it! Who sang? Was it the old singer from Faith No More, or was it HR? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I hunt, therefore I am... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: badbrains To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 09:24:23 EDT > Darryl (bass) and Dr. Know (guitar) are still in the band, and they played a > mix of current stuff and what Darryl called "old school Brains", ranging from > out-and-out thrashy hardcore to a melodic mix of rap/reggae/punk to pure > reggae. Do you know, by name, what they played? The closest they've gotten to me was a show at Bennington College 2 years ago, and I had a final that night... > The biggest surprise is that Chuck can sing! That IS a surprise. I thought he sucked for FnM. > He said nothing to > the crowd, had a black eye, and looked like he'd been beat up about 100 times. I was backstage at a Metallica show and this skinny dude with long black hair and a cowboy hat came up and stood next to me. He had a cute black eye. It wasn't 'till just before he walked away that I realized it was Ian Astbury. My god, a brush with fame. No, I didn't touch him or anything and yes, the Cult SUCKED live. > Reminded me of Charles Bukowski quite a lot. Funny, I just finished, "The Prettiest Girl In Town," for the second time the other night. > He seemed to enjoy the music > quite a lot and he fits into the Brains outfit much better than he did with > FNM. I think he's a more than adequate replacement for HR. Now THIS is why I'm replying. You REALLY think he sang their old stuff well? What about all the high stuff? The screeches and incoherent vocals? I honestly think that HR's got one of the most unique voices in rock. I'd be happy to think that Chucky can sing the part adequately, but I just can't imagine it... -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I hunt, therefore I am... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: definition To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 09:47:53 EDT > "whatever the fuck you want" my sentiments exactly lets not get into one of > those definition arguements again i beg of you!!!! Come on Rob, you're fans are waiting for you! After all, what good is a music alias unless you're constantly bickering about 'what's cool and what ain't; what's grunge and what ain't.' ;) ;) ;) ;) Ron "in a smartass mood today" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: My heart belongs to anneliese Subject: Oh oh, it's back! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 12:42:42 CDT If someone has a file on what is grunge, like it seems rob does, I'd like to see it. BTW, would anybody consider Soul Asylum grunge or not? I like them but they don't sound like subpop material to me. Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "Get out of my way or I might shove" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: Oh oh, it's back! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 12:01:41 MDT On Fri Aug 30 1991 12:42pm, My heart belongs to anneliese (T9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET) wrote: > Subject: "Oh oh, it's back!" > If someone has a file on what is grunge, like it seems rob does, > I'd like to see it. > oh god here we go yet again..... :-| please email it to him ha ha someone wake me back up when this has settled down ok? :-0 forever yours, (the person who wishes to go forward into grunge-l and not regress every 3rd week.... heh) ::grum...er ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: My heart belongs to anneliese Subject: Re: Oh oh, it's back! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 13:24:04 CDT OK, if someone wants a subject changed, how about this? I just got "The Grunge Years", my first real experience w/ SubPop, and I wanted to know how, for example, Stumblin' Man compared to the rest of 8Way Santa (if it all is similar, I might avoid, but if it gets faster, I might buy), how "Shove" compares with the rest of "Smell the Magic", and similar questions. Also, is "You're living all over me" worth it? How about "Louder than Love"? Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "It's louder than love but don't think I know what it means" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: Oh oh, it's back! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 13:38:54 MDT On Fri Aug 30 1991 2:02pm, Rob Vaughn (rob@SNOOPY.MSC.CORNELL.EDU) wrote: > Subject: "Re: Oh oh, it's back!" > > >If someone has a file on what is grunge, like it seems rob does, > >I'd like to see it. > > Okay, I'm going to break down and do it. Don't kill me Xby, it's just a joke. > I'll make sure everyone knows it. > oh it had to happen we know, I saw it coming. :-) > My Lexicon of Grunge > -------------------- Omigod! I agree with all of the following grunge points! I have been converted! I'm a subpar ...oops...subpop weenie now!! pant pant uh uah uh uuh uuh.... :-) > * Bands that most people would think are grunge: > > L7, Dinosaur Jr., Mudhoney, The Melvins, The Thrown Ups, Fluid, Swallow, ^^^^^ now here I reserve the right to go off and spew right eh??? next time I see John I'll mention that "most people" threw them in with other "grunge" bands and he'll ask for names and NOT let you buy their next lp you weenies! so there. :-0 ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ramaley%CSLI.STANFORD.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Oh oh, it's back! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 14:20:13 -0700 In message <9108301831.AA27718@Csli.Stanford.EDU> you write: > >I just got "The Grunge Years", my first real experience w/ SubPop, >and I wanted to know how, for example, Stumblin' Man compared to >the rest of 8Way Santa (if it all is similar, I might avoid, butt >if it gets faster, I might buy), how "Shove" compares with the >rest of "Smell the Magic", and similar questions. I've always been amazed at how the world of record labels changes so quickly. Remember Casablanca, from the 70's? I couldn't get enough of that groovy stuff. Remember Dangerhouse, LA's first good independant label? In the middle eighties, when I was in my buying frenzy period, I would slurp up anything by Homestead or SST. I even had an SST label on my guitar case Both of these labels have become sad parodies of their original goodness, cranking out 'best of' compilations and 'genre' collections, like SST's latest 'Duck and Cover'. I was wondering, the other day, how many years it'll be until Sub Pop becomes irrelevant, as far as quality music goes. I think this 'Grunge Years' complilation is the start of the slide; its raison d'etre is to make people buy Sub Pop stuff that has come before it. True, most of the tracks are great; but they're old. When Sub Pop was putting out its Sub Pop 100 and 200 collections, I was happy as a clam; unreleased tracks, by fantastic bands. But now it seems they're poised to follow SST into the tar pit, surviving by sales from their back catalog. Of course, this 'grunge years' might be the equivalent of the first 'Blasting Concept' record on SST, put out 3 years into their burgeoning supremacy, and with all previously released tracks; and SST was still a force majeure back then. But, if you think about it, what quality stuff did they put out after 'New Day Rising' and 'Double Nickles on the Dime'? They were at their height, and preparing to slide, if you don't count Opal's 'Happy Nightmare Baby' in 1987. So, the question is, when Sub Pop dies, are we going turn into a bunch of jaded heshers trading Nirvana bootlegs and bragging about how scratched and worn their vinyl copy of 'Bleach' sounds, or will the grunge scene stay vibrant and alive? Keep in mind I'm not baiting for flames here, I'm just idly wondering what the post-Pop future holds. -- Alan Aitken Ramaley (415) 326-9546, P. O. Box 9217, Stanford, CA 94309 Aquarius -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: FluidPixBukBrains and my head hurts, man To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 17:34:17 EDT Grungefellows, Peter the Great Stoltz beer sez: >I must've missed a posting somewhere along the line, is the new album >supposedly less pop-sounding than Doolittle? I think the songs on the EP _Planet of Sound_ are, but I doubt the album will be. I wouldn't get my hope up. >Just heard my first cut from Teenage Fan Club today and liked it a lot. >Can anyone tell me where to start with them?? What's a good album? I have _A Catholic Education_ on Matador records. I believe there's another EP and a couple singles, but I don't know if there's anything more than that. Everyone has ranted about how great _ACE_ is, but I think it's just okay. They recently signed to some big label for big bucks. woj shimiess in: >>One last Pixies question. My local record store lists a UK import of >>some live album, but they've NEVER had it in stock. Does anyone know the >that's not an import - it's a special release by i-forget-who of a concert >that was broadcast on wxrt in chicago in 1989 (i think that was the year). >it's listed as an import cos it's promotional only. there are copies of it >still floating around - i know of one at least within a mile of me (or at >least it was there sometime ago). If anyone (woj?) can get me info on this so I can add it to the discography I would appreciate it. Exber opins: >because I thought they sounded (what people are saying tuff or grunge) >when albini turned the knobs, but really they are just a foursome >writing pop to be digested by the masses to make lots of money... >it's my opinions they've been trying to do this all along...ick. >From what Albini said in the last issue of Forced Exposure this seems to be the case, but I think their tunes are a little weird and I like them. I thought _Come on Pilgram_ was real wild, with all that Spanish, and _Surfer_ was just a great punkish LP, but I must admit their big label stuff is pop designed to make money. But since it's better pop than most I buy it, and I like it enough to keep listening to it. Chips 'n' Dip asks: >>[...Bad Brains review deleted] >Do you know, by name, what they played? Sorry, I wasn't paying that close attention, nor am I that familiar with their music. I could ask a friend if you *really* need to know. >> The biggest surprise is that Chuck can sing! >That IS a surprise. I thought he sucked for FnM. Same here, but he did a fantastic job. >He had a cute black eye. It wasn't 'till just before he >walked away that I realized it was Ian Astbury. My god, a >brush with fame. No, I didn't touch him or anything and yes, >the Cult SUCKED live. Yeah, I saw that tour, he had a nice shiner. I thought they were okay live, nowhere near as good as they were back before _Love_. They have a new album due out by Sept. 24, hopefully not produced by Bob Rock. I like the Cult, although I don't consider them grungy. >Now THIS is why I'm replying. You REALLY think he sang their >old stuff well? What about all the high stuff? The screeches >and incoherent vocals? I honestly think that HR's got one of >the most unique voices in rock. I'd be happy to think that >Chucky can sing the part adequately, but I just can't imagine it... I agree with you Chip, but here's the poop: Chuck didn't bother trying to emulate or reproduce HR's voice, which I think is/was probably the high spot of the old Brains stuff. Instead he choose to interpret the songs in his own way, and I think he did a marvelous job. I liked his methods almost as much as HR's, and like I said, his thick as a brick stage presense was pretty cool. Dave stutters: >and I wanted to know how, for example, Stumblin' Man compared to >the rest of 8Way Santa (if it all is similar, I might avoid, but _8-way Santa_ is a prety good album. Not as hard as his earlier stuff but not as annoying either. If you like that tune you'll like most of the LP. >if it gets faster, I might buy), how "Shove" compares with the >rest of "Smell the Magic", and similar questions. Go buy everything by L7 immediately. _STM_ only has four or five songs, but it totally kicks ass. Not a single disappointment. >Also, is "You're living all over me" worth it? I believe so. If you like Dino Jr., you should have _YLAOM_ and _Bug_. Actually, everyone should own a copy of _Bug_. I didn't get a big woody over _Green Mind_ (the latest) although _The Wagon_ single was ultra-awesome-okish. If you love Dino Jr. you might as well pick up the sparse singles and first LP. And finally Chris said: >And thank you to Rob for your "clear and concise" definition. Is this sarcasm? Am I in trouble? Pleeze Exby, don't kill me. Honestly, why would John Robinson care if I call his music rock, grunge, pop, punk, or anything else? Usually I just say, "It's Fluid". I think there's a difference between stereotyping and generalizing. I sure wouldn't call their shit "easy listening". Are you sure they're not just going through the same phase Motley Crud did when they stopped calling their music "metal" and started calling it "rock-n-roll"? Mr. Stupid, Rob ("...look, let's just decide yes or no, okay?") -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Kenneth J. Peacock, NYU MUSIC" Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins etc. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 16:46:00 EST Grumpy- Excuuuse me. I didn't realize I was treading on such sacred ground. I must not have a mind of my own. Gee..."Whatever the f**k I want." Now that really opens my pea size brain right up. Thanks for setting me free. Seriously though Grumpy, as if there were a clear and concise definition of anything. I think you missed my gist or I wasn't clear or something. I am just curious as to what you guys call Grunge. If it is Whatever thing then cool. I just want to be exposed to more hard bands. Actually I have always been in bands more than INTO bands and now that I am out here in New York getting ready to start grad school (Oh, I'me not Dr. Peacock by the way, I am his son Chris-nice to meet y'all) I won't have time to be playing in a band so I want to vent my frustrations in other ways (just kidding, or maybe not). Anyway, does anyone like Smashing Pumpkins? P.S. To Bukowski Fans- I just finished "Tales of Ordinary Madness"-definitely not as good as "The Most Beautiful Women in Town" but worth reading. And thank you to Rob for your "clear and concise" definition. Chris Peacock -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Tucker Subject: beach boys To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 17:39:16 EDT reason number 435 to hate the beach boys, mike love donates to the PMRC! why do seminal artists such as jimi hendrix and john lennon die accidently but mike love may well live for ever? could it be .......satan!? -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STOLTZ PETER Subject: pixies To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 16:02:20 -0600 'Doc' Exby writes: >hey stoltz! you loser! *I* dont tap my foot to "here comes your man", >I turn off my Mtv when I see/hear it! ;-0 First of all, what kind of nick-name is 'Doc'?? Second of all, just because the White Slobs are doing their Nuggets impression, don't take it out on me. Wasn't that the new David Wilcox I saw in your car the other day? :=) >but really, I dont own any pizies, I mean SurferRosa is ok >but they've never interested me much for some reason. Mainly >because I thought they sounded (what people are saying tuff or grunge) >when albini turned the knobs, but really they are just a foursome >writing pop to be digested by the masses to make lots of money... >it's my opinions they've been trying to do this all along...ick. Well, I enjoy it in any case. And I think Black Francis has THE coolest voice/scream going today. peter -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Oh oh, it's back! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 16:16:47 EDT > and I wanted to know how, for example, Stumblin' Man compared to > the rest of 8Way Santa (if it all is similar, I might avoid, but > if it gets faster, I might buy), That's almost as good as it gets. Though "Jack Pepsi" is their BEST song ever, if you don't like Stumblin' Man enough to get the rest, then don't bother. > Also, is "You're living all over me" worth it? How about "Louder than > Love"? If only for Big, Dumb, Sex, Louder Than Love is worth it. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I hunt, therefore I am... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Kenneth J. Peacock, NYU MUSIC" Subject: Re: FluidPixBukBrains and my head hurts, man To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 18:23:00 EST Rob- No. Not sarcastic. Muy funny. I should have put quotes on "clear and concise" the first time, would have been more clear and concise. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ez000897%POLLUX.UCDAVIS.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Pixies To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 16:45:05 -0700 > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 16:02:47 -0600 > From: STOLTZ PETER > Subject: Pixies > To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L > > To all of you who are posting the Pixies info, please keep it coming! I > must've missed a posting somewhere along the line, is the new album > supposedly less pop-sounding than Doolittle? In their defense, I think > plenty of tracks on Doolittle were just as good as Surfer Rosa or > Come on Pilgrim, albeit not nearly as "noisy." But come on, admit it, > you tap your feet and sing along when you hear "Here Comes Your Man." > Sure it's pop, but it's good. > > Does anyone know if they plan to tour with this new album?? > > As much as I like them, though, I must admit what I heard off of Velouria > (however you spell it) didn't really catch my ear. But then again I only > listened to it once or twice. Hey, Tod (welcome to the list), you bought > Velouria didn't you? What do you think? > > One last Pixies question. My local record store lists a UK import of > some live album, but they've NEVER had it in stock. Does anyone know the > deal with this album?? I would love to get ahold of it. > > Peter > Yeah, I bought the new Pixies album (Bossonaova). I'm impressed with a few cuts, but its not anywhere near as good as Doolittle. And to anyone out there in NYC. Have any of you ever heard a band called The Sauce? A friend of mine is in it. They should be a good Grunge band but I've never heard anything from them. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins etc. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 18:07:20 MDT On Fri Aug 30 1991 4:46pm, "Dr. Kenneth J. Peacock, NYU MUSIC" (PEACOCK@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU) wrote: > Subject: "Re: Smashing Pumpkins etc." > Grumpy- > Excuuuse me. I didn't realize I was treading on such sacred ground. > I must not have a mind of my own. Gee..."Whatever the f**k I want." > Now that really opens my pea size brain right up. Thanks for setting > me free. Seriously though Grumpy, as if there were a clear and concise > definition of anything. I think you missed my gist or I wasn't clear or > something. I am just curious as to what you guys call Grunge. If it is heh heh heh I dont follow with what most people "define" as grunge bands so asking me is a WHOLE lot different from asking rob, eh robbo? :-) so what "we" call grunge is looking for a clear-definition since "we" all probably dont agree.... my point was talk about whatever you want really, and you'll catchon to what bands we go off on as well.... now settle down and turn up that "Shadow Hills California" song!!! :-0 ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: Oh oh, it's back! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 18:10:05 MDT On Fri Aug 30 1991 2:20pm, ramaley@CSLI.STANFORD.EDU (ramaley@CSLI.STANFORD.EDU) wrote: > Subject: "Re: Oh oh, it's back!" > In message <9108301831.AA27718@Csli.Stanford.EDU> you write: > > > >I just got "The Grunge Years", my first real experience w/ SubPop, I've wanted to get this CD just for having the Fluids cut "tomorrow" on digital.... > So, the question is, when Sub Pop dies, are we going turn into a bunch > of jaded heshers trading Nirvana bootlegs and bragging about how > scratched and worn their vinyl copy of 'Bleach' sounds, or will the > grunge scene stay vibrant and alive? > > Keep in mind I'm not baiting for flames here, I'm just idly wondering > what the post-Pop future holds. > Alan Aitken Ramaley Well according to what I hear the subpop label is in some serious financial trouble overall so we may find out wot hoppens sooner than we think....can anyone confirm this rumor i just started.... ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: FluidPixBukBrains and my head hurts, man To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 18:16:51 MDT On Fri Aug 30 1991 5:34pm, Rob Vaughn (rob@SNOOPY.MSC.CORNELL.EDU) wrote: > Subject: "FluidPixBukBrains and my head hurts, man" > Grungefellows, > > Exber opins: > > From what Albini said in the last issue of Forced Exposure this seems to be > the case, but I think their tunes are a little weird and I like them. I > thought _Come on Pilgram_ was real wild, with all that Spanish, and _Surfer_ > was just a great punkish LP, but I must admit their big label stuff is pop > designed to make money. But since it's better pop than most I buy it, and I > like it enough to keep listening to it. > I would totally agree with this statement and have no problem with it...hell I still listen to REM albums for the same reason. ;-) wait is REM grunge? what am I doing? is this rec.music.misc ? :-) > >And thank you to Rob for your "clear and concise" definition. > > Is this sarcasm? Am I in trouble? Pleeze Exby, don't kill me. Honestly, it was sarcasm and no, you're not "in trouble". I think I put these smileys :-) in there or do you folks not know what these mean? :-0 > why would John Robinson care if I call his music rock, grunge, pop, punk, > or anything else? Usually I just say, "It's Fluid". I think there's a > difference between stereotyping and generalizing. I sure wouldn't call their > shit "easy listening". Are you sure they're not just going through the same > phase Motley Crud did when they stopped calling their music "metal" and > started calling it "rock-n-roll"? well I think an artist *may* feel like people are generalizing too much to lump them into the entire subpop label, which isnt accurate in all cases. would he care? not really, JohnR is widely open and accepts adverse criticism without an attitude. nice for a change.... but I think rock-n-roll covers the Fluid better than punk or grunge, but hell its MHO. > Rob ("...look, let's just decide yes or no, okay?") ok, no? ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: pixies To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 18:20:02 MDT On Fri Aug 30 1991 4:02pm, STOLTZ PETER (stoltz@SPOT.COLORADO.EDU) wrote: > Subject: "pixies" > 'Doc' Exby writes: > > >hey stoltz! you loser! *I* dont tap my foot to "here comes your man", > >I turn off my Mtv when I see/hear it! ;-0 > > First of all, what kind of nick-name is 'Doc'?? Second of all, just > because the White Slobs are doing their Nuggets impression, don't take > it out on me. Wasn't that the new David Wilcox I saw in your car the > other day? :=) > good personal material attacks here shorty! 8-) now dont make me say anything I'll regret ok? suffice to say it wasnt david wilcox, more like Eric Lunde ok? ;-) > Well, I enjoy it in any case. And I think Black Francis has THE coolest > voice/scream going today. > peter yeah she's got a voice. the last thing I am is some nazi telling you not to like the pixies so go ahead, "grooove". Hey kids! : dont let the PMRC take away "Morissey rides a Cockhorse"!!! ok? ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Occupant Subject: FluidPixBukBrains and my head hurts, man To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1991 12:59:54 CDT Dave stutters: >>and I wanted to know how, for example, Stumblin' Man compared to >>the rest of 8Way Santa (if it all is similar, I might avoid, but >_8-way Santa_ is a prety good album. Not as hard as his earlier stuff but >not as annoying either. If you like that tune you'll like most of the LP. OK, it will go on my "alternate" list, meaning things I sort of want but if there's anything kool at the store, that get's pushed aside. >>if it gets faster, I might buy), how "Shove" compares with the >>rest of "Smell the Magic", and similar questions. >Go buy everything by L7 immediately. _STM_ only has four or five songs, but >it totally kicks ass. Not a single disappointment. OK. I have _STM_ ordered at my friendly local record shop (the one with my application, so I can spend all my money getting tapes at wholesale instead of retail), but the boss says that he can't find it yet. >>Also, is "You're living all over me" worth it? >I believe so. If you like Dino Jr., you should have _YLAOM_ and _Bug_. >Actually, everyone should own a copy of _Bug_. I didn't get a big woody over >_Green Mind_(the latest) although _The Wagon_ single was ultra-awesome-okish. I have a dub of _Bug_ on w/ _Hairway to Steven_ by the Butthole Surfers. (BTW I saw them live at Lallapalooza and would not drive an hour out of my way to see them again). Best songs on that dub are "Freak Scene" and "Johnny Smokes" >If you love Dino Jr.you might as well pick up the sparse singles and first >LP. I have "Just Like Heaven" and "Lotta Love" from the _Bridge_ album as well as _Green Mind_, and you're right, the Wagon is the standout track Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "WHY DON'T YOU LIKE ME ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Occupant Subject: Re: FluidPixBukBrains and my head hurts, man To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1991 13:28:26 CDT > or do you folks not know what these mean? :-0 Isn't that like that stupid kid from _HOME ALONE_? Damn, I hate that kid. Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "Post will follow post flaming time is here Sarcasm, Incorporated" -Dave, based on a Metallica song -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Levasseur Subject: pixies To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1991 16:16:58 -0400 Doc sez... > > Well, I enjoy it in any case. And I think Black Francis has THE coolest > > voice/scream going today. peter > > yeah she's got a voice. the last thing I am is some nazi telling you not > to like the pixies so go ahead, "grooove". Black Francis is a guy (if you didn't already know) :-0 ronnnnnnnnnnnbo |Ronald Levasseur | Internet: ronbo@bucsf.bu.edu | Bitnet: csco2bc@buacca v i'm a negative creep, and i'm stoned.... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: gender type(o) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1991 14:35:18 MDT >>Doc sez... >> Well, I enjoy it in any case. And I think Black Francis has THE coolest >> voice/scream going today. peter > > yeah she's got a voice. the last thing I am is some nazi telling you not > to like the pixies so go ahead, "grooove". Black Francis is a guy (if you didn't already know) :-0 >ron yeah sorry you got me! viscious type monster on this one eh? :-) ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: fluid pt2 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1991 14:36:56 MDT Sorry this is "late" but I realy had to force myself to hack this in since I dont type so fast or well. :-) ========================== Part 2 John Robinson : Fluid lead singer and confetti tosser: - On Subpop Well in a nutshell, subpar has owed the Fluid some $20,000 for some time for past business and has never paid. JohnR told me he has written it off saying there is no way he'll ever see the money, and that most of the releases for subpar involved totally illegal shit since they never had any formal contract with them. Yet subpar feels they can re-release fluid cuts on subpar compilations and the whole nirvana/fluid 7" was done again without any agreement with the band. In order to keep this limited in the future JohnR has gone to EVERY studio they've recorded at and taken every master copy of Fluid work, in hopes that "other" things dont get put out without the bands permission. the Fluid never got the press/tour support as other label bands since they weren't "local" seattle folk, and suffered for it at times. (Note: I know this is only oneside of the story, but I am not real sure I'd like to hear some company's side explaining business "issues" and mumbo jumbo when it basically comes down to ripping someone off. I havent bought a subpar release since I heard of this info from JohnR and it'd have to be some damn fine album to get me to change my stance....) - On British Press and show last year. Last summer the Fluid were going overseas to play with this Mudhoney band, tad, Flaming Lips...etc.... basically the Fluid had problems with their work visa and had to sneak into the UK as tourists. Immediately scattering off the plane each went through customs seperately, Garret with only $10US in his pocket! wild. Since they couldnt bring any equipment with them they ended up using tad's stuff on stage. Which was a total disaster because the Fluid could barely tell what was playing when they kicked into song! JohnR said "hearing Ricky kick in, we're like: what is HE playing? oh yeah, it's candy I think..." As a result they sounded un-fluid and got slammed in the british press reviews, who subseq drooled over every Tad song. JohnR had no prob with the bad british press except the Fluid was always lumped in "the second subpop wave (behind mudhoney, nirvana, tad) and the fact that some ignorant reporter said "the last fluid lp _motormouth_..." Blatant misinformation which was never even corrected by the editors (who told JohnR they knew _Roadmouth_) ended up being passed through UK press. "So if they didnt like the Fluid fine, but get some facts really..." was Johns message. - On REM, pop songs, and the Didjits. JohnR is a huge REM, michael stipe fan! yup, "every pop song, no matter what, has to have some fluff and nonsense in there ya know?" He also couldnt understand why REM fans would drop the band for the "too popular" tag also, "it's really stupid if you still like the music they are playing" JohnR seemed impressed that they finally hit the big time but havent comprimised with labels about their music or where they want to go. (something which the Fluid are following now...) John also loved the didjits, and was amazed at all the twisted things I told him about Rick Sims and the 4,500 Didjits shows I've attended. :-) As i said before, if these boys ever hook up for a tour - I'm at every one. - Videos, bootlegs and misc. JohnR was telling about all the live videos they've got lying around and stoltz and I were wide-eyed. One even in LA with amazing sound quality.....a local reporter here in town shot the RockIsland show with "Black Glove" blaring and John being p-u-l-l-e-d slowly from a massive crowd by a bouncer after he got engulfed during the middle of a song! and amazing thing to re-see on vid after watching it in person. The MTV video black glove was probably shot at a show in NY - "Candy" was spliced from two different shows (you cant even tell really) and John had boxes of 5 cent toys and candy to throw at the crowd but somehow this never got show on the videos. A recent bootleg LP of the Fluid has surfaced with only 6 getting into denver's waxtrax until the bootlegger realized he was selling to people who knew John, James, Ricky, Matt and Garret! No, I didnt get one - each band member has one, and JohnR though it was pretty flattering that someone went to alot of trouble to make a relatively "nice, professional" looking bootleg of them. He didnt seem to care about the money aspect since there weren't 1,000 pressed or anything.... Ok, thats about all I have. *whew* If anything new, revolutionary happens with the denver Fluid, you'll be "in the know" as soon as I have time to type it in.... ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: slave me To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1991 16:52:18 MDT well FINALLY! the not-so-new Godflesh CD shows up at a denver shop and I snag it. nuthin like being months behind Monseiur Earle. ;-) This 12" with remixes et all is better than I expected, and was really amazed at Wound '91 which I thought would be so-so. but all the remxixes, while not overly exciting, arent as boring as most club mixes (for dancing wooo woo) are. I like it. The fold out b/w picture show FOUR! geetars men, with bassman. Jason out front, but anyone know if the group has "expanded" or these just studio dudes. Only Jason and Christian on stage when I saw em here in denver... Now. Is this only a pre-lude to more the "upcoming" Godflesh LP called "Pure" I've heard about in kerrang magazine? other inside info anyone? ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: beach boys To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1991 10:16:34 EDT > reason number 435 to hate the beach boys, mike love donates to the PMRC! Oh Shit! And I just got through a 20 minute argument with a guitarist buddy of mine trying to convince him that the Beach Boys were a seminal band. Barring the plagiarism (yes I like surf music - Jan & Dean and especially Dick Dale and the Deltones) and smarmy silly stuff like Be True To Your School, that crazy dude Brian Wilson (I think, or was it one of the other Wilson boys, you know, the absolute lunatic) had an amazing sense for music and especially harmony. Screw the PMRC, but you should still go out and listen to Surf's Up (decidedly Non-Surf-Music) and Heroes And Villians before you write the Beach Boys off. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ingria%BBN.COM@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: G.G. Allin To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1991 12:12:00 EDT [Found on the Subgenius list] WIS. JURY CONVICTS SINGER WHO TOSSED EXCREMENT AT CROWD DURING CONCERT MILWAUKEE (AP) A rock singer who defecated on stage and tossed excrement at his audience was convicted Thursday by a jury that rejected his argument of artistic freedom. Kevin Michael Allin, known as G.G. Allin, lead singer of the defunct group Toilet Rockers, was convicted of provoking a disturbance during the incident two years ago at a nightclub. He could be sentenced to 90 days in jail and fined $1,000. ``My body is a rock 'n' roll temple,'' Allin said Thursday in an interview. ``It's like a communion to my people.'' Defense attorney Peter Goldberg said the verdict, which followed a four-day trial at Milwaukee County Circuit Court, will be appealed. Allin described the jury as a ``bunch of narrow-minded robotic puppets of society'' who looked like his ``dead grandmother.'' Goldberg argued that Allin, 34, was a serious performer who Feb. 28, 1989, performance had artistic value. He siad other avant garde artists have incorporated human excrement into their work, a practice known as scatology. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob.Moitoso@EBay.Sun.COM (Bob Moitoso ) Subject: Is this Jon To: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu Date: Tue, 3 Sep 91 10:37:57 PDT Hi Jon: Want to make sure that I have the right person before I send you anything. What is it you are expecting from me on the West Coast? Bob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: G.G. Allin To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1991 12:18:05 EDT > Kevin Michael Allin, known as G.G. Allin, lead singer of > the defunct group Toilet Rockers, was convicted of > provoking a disturbance during the incident two years ago > at a nightclub. He could be sentenced to 90 days in jail > and fined $1,000. First, this man is true grunge. I love him. Second, wasn't he supposed to kill himself on stage last year at halloween time? Does anyone know what happened? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont When some trendy new atrocity has brought you to your knees, come with us, we'll sail the seas of cheese. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1991 09:47:39 PDT This is my first post to the almighty grunge, so Hi all! I thought I'd let ya know a little about whats up out here in Seattle although some of you fortunate radio station types seem to hear it first. There's a local grunge band out here y'all will hear about real soon, they're called Soundgarden. They did a surprise show on friday night (8/30) at a fairly small club. I wasn't there, as it was announce the day before, but I was surprised to hear that Chris Cornell didn't lay down the 6-string the whole night. I hope this isn't a trend, cause those of you that have had the great pleasure of seeing they guys know how great it is to see Chris "go off". Other than that I havn't heard much else about the show, but I did hear one of the new track from the upcoming release on the radio. I had jesus in the title,and it was good, "you won't be disappointed". While that show was unfolding I was at a club one block away seeing a band called "My Sisters Machine". Nick, their lead singer, used to play guitar for Alice In Chains, and MSM is in that same vein. They've been signed to Caroline,but havn't released anything yet, but if you're into that kind of thing, I like 'em a lot. OK, i might take some heat for this next mention, but its been cool here in Seattle that last few days anyway. Pearl Jam just released their record, no its not grunge, BUT two of the boys (Jeff and Stone) used to be in Mother Love Bone who where not grunge, BUT they also used to be in Green River with Mark Arm, THEY were grunge. From what I'm told (I didnt live here then) when the Seattle sound started, it was a bunch of bands playing all ages clubs, and Green River was the first of the gang that actually thought of recording their stuff. Its great stuff, its on SubPar and its something you should hear. Back to Pearl Jam, they have that Love Bone sound (Jeff and Stone wrote most of the music), and I've seen 'em a lot. It seems they've been playing every week lately. They get better each time, so if ya like the songs, check em out. Jeff Ammett told me that they are gonna do a nationwide tour, so you'll get your chance if you so desire. Future postings won't be so long. Sorry, but this is my first. If anything comes to me, I'll pass it on. Feel free to flame and correct if i messed. XXOO Thurman Munster -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Down Subject: Re: G.G. Allin To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1991 12:09:10 CDT > Second, wasn't he supposed to kill himself on stage last year > at halloween time? Does anyone know what happened? I think he was still in jail at the time... I thought he got out just this past June or July. Doug -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Tucker Subject: beachboys To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1991 15:19:49 EDT my flame is aimed at love not so much the boys themselves, but it should be recognized that they did influence a lot of bands, mike love was just the wilsons dumbassbrainlesstwit of a cousin jefft -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Grumpy old men come out of the woodwork To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1991 14:52:02 EDT "Thurman Munster" innocently says: > There's a local grunge band out here y'all will hear about real soon, they're > called Soundgarden. I'm not the one to do it, but I'm sure some of you cranky bastards are gonna wail on poor ol' Thurman. "Well sonny, in MY day we listened to Soundgarden on our 78 rpm Victrolas that you could play with your fingernail just before walking FIFTEEN MILES to school! Through the SNOW, BAREFOOT, no less! Uphill! Both ways!" -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Occupant Subject: G.G. Allin To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1991 22:00:39 CDT ---->[Found on the Subgenius list] Where is this SubGenius list? I've worshipped Bob long before I heard of L7 (although I worship them w/ much more furvor) Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thy BERND! Subject: Re: G.G. Allin To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1991 03:02:40 TZONE hi, i don't think that GG is cult. it's not enough (to be cult) to eat his own shit on stage, masturbate in the audience, slit his ass with glass, rape girls, etc. the music is boring shit IMO. one thing i want to add is his tatoos. really sick. his body is full of 'children's drawings'. this means words that look like written by a 6 year old kid, etc. another thing with his suicide. a year before this date he said, every one of his fans should kill someone before this date. ARE YOU REALLY A (REAL) GG-FAN? bye - thy BERND! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dougo%SODA.BERKELEY.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Stone roses and other schtuff To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1991 20:37:40 -0700 thy BENRD! sez: > i don't know who the f**king stone roses are and what idiot-label gave > them so much money, but i read that too (20,000,000) and i'm 99% sure, that > it was pounds, not $s! > > but is it really a fact? it sounds like a joke between label and band, > just to get attention (guiness book, hoho!) ...nothing but a f**king hype > for some f**king idiots! Well I think they deserve every penny. They're probably my favorite band of the last few years, next to Jane's Addiction. They're not grunge (although "I Wanna Be Adored" could be considered grunge, at least more grungy than anything the Cure ever did...), but there is life besides grunge. I highly recommend anything and everything they've done so far. (One album and a bunch of CD singles and b-sides...) joe@rit sez: > I hear that Neil is releasing a bunch of stuff this fall. First is a live > album, then an EP, then a 3-record set including that EP and a piece full of > guitar noise. Neil states it is called 'new age metal' or something like > that. Guess it's gonna be like Sonic Death a little. Can't wait to hear > it. I don't know how reliable my source is but maybe someone else can > confirm my statements or just tear them to pieces and tell me I'm full of > shit, whatever. I heard he has a new album called _Weld_ coming out pretty soon. The title sounds industrial to me. Should be interesting; Neil Young never fails to surprise. Speaking of NY and Sonic Youth, did any of you see them tour together? I saw them (with Drivin' 'n' Cryin' opening; wish I could have seen Social Distortion instead) this spring, and was quite under-impressed by Sonic Youth. They spent more time slamming their guitars against the speakers than playing songs, and what songs they did play just sounded awful. I really love _Goo_, but I haven't heard much else of their stuff; I'm assuming that it was the sound system's fault, and not just that their earlier stuff sucks. Any suggestions for albums to try? (By the way, Neil was awesome, especially his electric version of "Crime in the City". I hope he tours again soon with Crazy Horse.) Dave asks: > Also, is "You're living all over me" worth it? How about "Louder than > Love"? Two thumbs up for Soudgarden's _Louder than Love_. Also check out _UltraMega OK_, it was even nominated for a grammy! Soundgarden to me is the archetypical grunge band: slow, grinding, dirty guitars. Can't wait for their new album, _Badmotorfinger_... Chip Hart sez: > ... including some bozos from a band called > Stephen's Unstoppable Sex Machine or something like that. It's Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine, named after Jimmy Carter, the ex-President. They're very good, actually, but very hard to describe; sort of like Pet Shop Boys on speed with guitars. Check out _30something_; "Anytime, Anyplace, Anywhere" and "Bloodsport for All" are just great. I haven't had the chance to get _101 Damnations_, but I like the title... see ya, DougO -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Why isn't real life like this? Subject: "The Most Hated Man in America" To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1991 23:12:26 GMT dweir@us.oracle.com asks: >can someone fill me in? Who is this person? Well, I don't know a whole helluva lot about him, except that he's a performance artist that succeeds in offending a lot of people. I've heard stories of his flinging various bodily excrements at crowds, physically attacking his audiences, inflicting pain upon himself, all sorts of keen stuff. There's also some music involved, as someone mentioned earlier. About a year and a half ago (I think...it's all fuzzy now), he had a press release that said he was going to kill himself onstage. I received an e-mail copy...maybe I'll look to see if I still have it. Another apocryphal story is that he's never been able to finish a show, they always get shut down. So, the phenomenon seems to be a mix of hype and excessive behavior. - Barry L. I've never had the chance to see one of his shows. Perhaps someone out there can fill us in... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: G.G. Allin To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1991 08:44:41 EDT > it's not enough (to be cult) to eat > his own shit on stage, masturbate in the audience, slit his ass with > glass, rape girls, etc. the music is boring shit IMO. > another thing with his suicide. a year before this date he said, every > one of his fans should kill someone before this date. ARE YOU REALLY A > (REAL) GG-FAN? Someone has to do it. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont When some trendy new atrocity has brought you to your knees, come with us, we'll sail the seas of cheese. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu Subject: Re: "The Most Hated Man in America" To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1991 13:42:14 CDT Geez... G.G.'s tricks are all old hat. And tricks that have been used in much more interesting contexts. Hardly "keen stuff". And I have no respect for someone who's such a loudmouth about killing himself on stage, and still hasn't delivered. Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: "The Most Hated Man in America" To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1991 14:32:27 EDT > I've never had the chance to see one of his shows. > Perhaps someone out there can fill us in... Can't say that I've seen him live, but I've heard his music. It's more amusing than listenable and the liner notes are usually the best part ("...and I don't give a shit if you know I fucked my dog AND my brother..."). I don't even remember what label he's on. However, I DO appreciate his efforts. I used to have a copy of some anti-censorship remarks he made to/from/during his jail stay(s) which I found to be rather impressive. I'll go look around... -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont When some trendy new atrocity has brought you to your knees, come with us, we'll sail the seas of cheese. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: BoB/SubGenius To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1991 09:19:01 EDT > Where is this SubGenius list? I've worshipped Bob long before > I heard of L7 (although I worship them w/ much more furvor) I wanna know this too. Please send me the address, someone. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Neil Young/Sonic Youth To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1991 09:29:31 EDT DougO sed: > Speaking of NY and Sonic Youth, did any of you see them tour together? I > saw them (with Drivin' 'n' Cryin' opening; wish I could have seen Social > Distortion instead) this spring, and was quite under-impressed by Sonic > Youth. I saw the NY/SY/SD show in Chapel Hill. You didn't miss anything with Social Distortion, they were pretty boring. They're doing the 'ex-punk toss in some Brian Wilson harmony' thing now, which can be very cool but not when I saw them. I thought Sonic Youth was a blast. They spent more time trying to piss the audience off than actually 'playing' tunes. Bitchin' huge walls of noise and feedback! Slamming guitars off the stage, each other, and the drum kit! And all the oh-so-cool-alternative-college-radio crowd did was politely applaud! I thought it was great. They played quite a few songs off Goo. Neil Young was Neil Young. That is to say, he was fucking awesome. Neil does what Neil wants, and damn the detractors. He resurrected the stage from the Rust Never Sleeps tour with the giant amps and stuff. Actually, I could have done without the phony farm-boy tying the yellow ribbon on the giant mike, but Neil has strong feelings about the USA (both for and against) as anyone who follows his music knows. Neil and Crazy Horse played a full-bore assault of a set. They've gone back to that big sortof-punk wailing guitar grungy thing, and tossed in a few old classics of that genre (Like A Hurricane for example). What can you say about Neil Young? I love the man. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: woj Subject: Re: BoB/SubGenius To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1991 16:56:38 EDT the subgenius list is probably the usenet newsgroup alt.slack...as far as i know, there is no mailing list that deals with dobbs or the church (and if there was, well, i wouldn't tell you!). woj@remus.rutgers.edu - smou/dj-for-hire - hooked on phonics, or kill me -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: Neil Young/Sonic To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 12:38:41 +0300 P.S. What is Alice Donut like? I think they've opened for L7 before, so I would guess they're grunge. They're playing at the Gilman street club (in SF) at the end of September, with Victim's Family, whom I saw open for Primus recently and who impressed me quite a bit (basically a Primus clone, only less weird and more punk). ---Alice Donut is an *exellent* live band!!! I saw 'em in A'dam (NL) and was amazed. The lead singer has some pure personality and intense - not to mention his weird voice... Even if you don't like their recs, go and check 'em out! Victims Family a Primus clone??? Eat my shorts, man! I do like Primus, but I'd say VF is much more into their own music than anybody's else. They do their own *bitching* thang. Their two minute attacks are breath- taking - to see 'em is like sitting on an axe. If Primus is good stuff VF is serious shit? t < t (Viikari) < tv87098@cs.tut.fi > I was born on the day > < Onkiniemenk. 6B16 < tel: +358-31-221 169 > Everything became nothing. > < 33230 Tampere < fax: +358-31-221 169 < I will die on the day > < FINLAND < KEEP IN TOUCH, PUNK! < Nothing becomes everything. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thy BERND! Subject: Re: Goo Goo Dolls To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 13:05:53 TZONE hi, some of my friends would die for a copy of the first LP (gray GOO GOO DOLLS on red ground). what's the name of this album? is it still availble? what label, etc. can you get 2 copys for me? etc etc pp... bye - thy BERND! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Neil Young/Sonic Youth To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 09:27:51 EDT DougO yaps about Sonic Youth at the Cow Palace: > And apparently there was no > oh-so-cool-alternative-college-radio crowd, just a bunch of rednecks and > ex-hippies that literally booed them off the stage. To be honest, the Chapel Hill show was similar. The acoustics in the Dean Dome are atrocious, to say the least, so all you could hear of Sonic Youth was the wall of noise. But their attitude cracked me up, they just tried SO hard to get the crowd pissed off at them. I loved it. The audience was very weird, just chock-full of big fat rednecks and old old hippies (this is North Carolina, after all). There's a huge population of PC- collegey folks in the Triangle, and lots of them were in attendance. I told you it was a weird crowd, but very calm and polite. The rednecks didn't throw anything at Sonic Youth, they just went outside and smoked. The alternative types were polite and tolerant, although IMO most of them had no idea what was going on. They probably wouldn't dare boo a female singer. As for me, I was wishing there was a pit and I was bouncing off the walls in the upper deck with some total stranger madman who dug SY as much as I. > And who else but Neil could get away with a guitar solo consisting of only > one note! I don't know if I love the man, I don't always agree with his > political stance, but I love his music Hah hah! Yes indeed, you can tell a lot about a person from their opinion about Neil Young. Either they can't stand his voice or guitar skills, or they dig him. I think he's the best thing since sliced bread, personally. He does whatever he wants, and damn the torpedoes. How else can you explain folk rock mixed with noisy grungy punk mixed with rockabilly mixed with country mixed with blues mixed with swing.... I don't think his politics are cut-and-dried at all, unlike so many other artists who like to hear themselves spew. Again, I respect Neil. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Primus - Frizzle Fry To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 09:30:22 EDT Yeah, I know, I'm about a year and a half too late, but I finally got Frizzle Fry and all I can say is... YOW! How come you saps didn't force me to buy this earlier? This is fucking cool! "To Defy The Laws Of Tradition" indeed. Only listened to the first three tracks so far (as I type), and this has to be one of the best discs I've gotten in a long while. Ron -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Down Subject: Dim Stars To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 09:50:27 CDT This is a pretty great triple 7" package out on Ecstatic Peace that features Richard Hell and Thurston Moore... there aren't any credits on the single so I don't know who the rest of the Dim Stars are. Anyone? Anyway, the first single has The Plug, Dim Star and Christian Rat Attack but the main part of this, spread over the last two singles is the Voidoids track You Gotta Lose. After Hell finishes singing on the first side of this, you get three sides of guitar noise... All very New York sounding and it's great to hear Richard Hell again. Plus some nice sleeve artwork by Pettibon makes for a nice package. Doug -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Dim Stars To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 11:15:29 EDT Doug Down murmurs: >This is a pretty great triple 7" package out on Ecstatic Peace that features >Richard Hell and Thurston Moore... there aren't any credits on the single >so I don't know who the rest of the Dim Stars are. Anyone? Don Flemming (gumball, Dino Jr., Velvet Monkeys) and Steve Shelly (Crucifucks, Sonic Youth). Gotta admit that this is pretty good, although the recording quality leaves a lot to be desired. >Plus some nice sleeve artwork by Pettibon makes for a nice package. Didn't even realize Batman had a penis until I looked at the non-inverted picture on the inside. I think it's Pettibon's best work (that I've seen, that is). Anyway, it's a limited pressing, and can be ordered through Forced Exposure. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not draw naked ladies in class. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Primus - Frizzle Fry To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 11:34:37 EDT > Yeah, I know, I'm about a year and a half too late, but I finally got Frizzle > Fry and all I can say is... > YOW! How come you saps didn't force me to buy this earlier? This is fucking > cool! "To Defy The Laws Of Tradition" indeed. All I know is that I had a car full of shit and last week someone busted my window and STOLE THIS ONE FUCKING DISK SO NOW I HAVE TO GO BUY IT AGAIN. I guess it must mean it's a good album when I don't even debate buying another copy of it. Hey: any Cynics fans out there? How about the Goo Goo Dolls? If so, and if anyone's interested (blah blah blah), I could relate some amusing tales about the two, besides the fact that they are both excellent live... -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont When some trendy new atrocity has brought you to your knees, come with us, we'll sail the seas of cheese. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: Alice Donut To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 12:08:22 EDT Ron Rader asks: > P.S. What is Alice Donut like? I think they've opened for L7 before, so I > would guess they're grunge. Well, I don't claim to be an expert on Alice Donut, but my impression of them is that they're a quirky hardcore band. My personal favorite tune by them is "Egg" off _Bucketfulls of Sickness..._ (they have about 4 albums out on Alter- native Tentacles by now, and sundry singles; two full albums within the last 4 or 5 months, one of which is live). As t Viikari sez, the singer has very unusual vocals. But I think they'd be fun to see live (I haven't); wouldn't necessarily recommend plunkin' down the pennies for the discs unless you're a hardcore fanatic. I'd say they'd fit into a grunge show just nicely. Albums: _Bucketfulls of Sickness and (blah, blah)_ _Mule_ _Revenge Fantasies of the Impotent_ _Get a Life_ (Vital...7" or LP? Dunno) ????????? Eric Avera avera@astrosun.TN.cornell.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STOLTZ PETER Subject: CYNICS To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 13:08:06 -0600 Hey Chip, I haven't heard much by the Cynics, but the one album I did hear, I liked quite a bit. Give us the scoop! How about a discography if you can whip one out off the top of your head. Which are your personal favorites? Are they still making albums? Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Goo Goo Dolls To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 15:20:16 EDT > some of my friends would die for a copy of the first LP (gray GOO > GOO DOLLS on red ground). what's the name of this album? is it still > availble? what label, etc. can you get 2 copys for me? etc etc pp... I don't know the name of the album either, but it's REALLY hard to find; even the guys in the band consider Jed to be the first album. It's not on Metal Blade, though, I'm pretty sure. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont When some trendy new atrocity has brought you to your knees, come with us, we'll sail the seas of cheese. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Watkins Subject: WHat happened to The Sidewinders? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 15:38:16 EDT All this talk of Neil reminded me of my favorite southwestern band of last year, who do a seriously noisy Neil-influenced guitar thing...*OKAY* not Grunge but damn nasty guitar sound on "Auntie Ramos' Poll Hall", and it just grinds straight ahead without stopping. So what happened to them, anybody know? LeeW. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Levasseur Subject: Primus/Tad at the Paradise To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 15:57:48 -0400 hello grunge fans, Ron Rader Rites: > > Yeah, I know, I'm about a year and a half too late, but I finally got > Frizzle Fry and all I can say is... > > YOW! How come you saps didn't force me to buy this earlier? This is > fucking cool! primus is probably one of the coolest funk/punk/BASS bands out there. a friend of mine dubbed me a copy of frizzle fry back in Feb, and i listened to it alot, and then it just didn't get played much....the reason is: i live by cd's. this is going to sound fucked, but i like my down-right-evil grunge to be crystal clear....hiss bad, distortion good!!! anyway, i was fortunate enough to be able to get into a show at the paradise in boston featuring Primus and Tad. don't get me wrong, i like primus, but i just couldn't miss Tad (but who could?). sporting a purple moody blues tye-dye, TAD doyle took the stage. they kicked off the set with wood goblins. from that point on, everyone and his/her cousin was stage diving. the crowd was into it, but not too violent. club security was pushing the stage divers off the stage, wheras they would usually just kick such people out (if they could get a hand on one of em). tad was a blast. he had the audience repeat, "smoke pot!" explaining that he never did that sort of thing (NOT). at a couple of points, he invited girls to stay on stage and dance with him....which a couple actually did. other songs in the set included stumblin man, jack pepsi, sex god missy, behemoth, potlatch, and candy... i think they did a cover of something i recogized at the time (the show was almost a month ago, so it's foggy). anyway, at the end of the show TAD actually layed himself on the audience, and was supported. yes, TAD stagedived....this was actually the last thing you would expect a 300+ pound guitarist to do. anyway, i took some pix of TAD and didn't break my cheap shitbox camera, but i still have to get them developed (i lack fundage). if any of them turned out well, i might scan them and make them available to all of you internetters. does anyone out there know exactly how much TAD weighs? enquiring minds want to know.... well, then there's primus. as i am a bass player, primus was pure entertainment. les claypool (bass) was absolutely cool (in his own little quirky way). i got a kick out of how he would strike a shakesperean pose with one arm extended, or do the one legged pirate thing, spinning around like a ballerina?! they weren't into people joining them on stage, so the security got worse. well, they had some pretty nice equipment that they probably wouldn't want broken... i think they opened with "blue collar tweakers" off of the new album. they did a lot of cool stuff including tom the cat, kerry was a racecar driver (with the 6 string bass), frizzle fry, a short version of "too many puppies", and a funk interpretation of the beginning of "master of puppets" by you know who. they also did that song off of frizzle fry with the weird "underwater" bass effect (delay with other stuff). the strange song name eludes me.... as far as the new album goes....buy it now. if you don't have frizzle fry, buy FF first. even though i'm biased to the heavy bass on Sailing the Seas of Cheese, i don't think the guitars get their fair share of the mix on it. FF has a much better guitar mix, which i think is important. yet, STSOC has it's merits. the version of tommy the cat actually features tom waits doing some vocals. catch sgt. baker....this song rips! see you at mudhoney! ronnnnnnnnnnnnnnnbo |Ronald Levasseur | Internet: ronbo@bucsf.bu.edu | Bitnet: csco2bc@buacca v hello all you boys and girls i'd like to take you to the inside world it's quite an irregular place to be but never fear, yer safe with me... well, maybe. -primus "frizzle fry" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 13:04:32 PDT The vocal stylist in my rock music ensemble recommended that I seek recordings from a band that goes or went by the name of "Rites of Spring". After learning of the joy I've received from my Fuqazi records, he assured me that a Rites of Spring purchase would be in my best interests. What I need to know from y'all is, do these homiez have anythang on disk?? If so, what label, when released, or any other info on the band.... enlighten me! In an unrelated note, DougO asked, "Who else but Neil Young could get away with a one note guitar solo?" Well I immediately thought of the Ramones (a hardcore band from the early '80s), they had a song, i think it was called "I wanna be Inflated", that had a one note guitar solo. So whatta ya say, lets start a "one note guitar solo" discussion. Lastly, I don't know if this is grunge or not, but it came up in a grunge conversation I had, MCI is 10.88 cents per minute after the first hour. John -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: CYNICS To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 16:18:36 EDT > I haven't heard much by the Cynics, but the one album I did hear, I liked > quite a bit. Give us the scoop! How about a discography if you can > whip one out off the top of your head. Which are your personal favorites? > Are they still making albums? Well, shit, off the top of my head, they've got some singles, Blue Train, Rock'n'Roll, and 2 more I can't remember. They're based in Pittsburgh. The guitarist, Chris, (who owns Get Hip records, parents of 1313 Mockingbird Lane and shit like that) sorta' manages the band. I saw and heard them for the first time about 2 years ago. They played at my school at the "alternative" rock show we had every couple of weeks. A bunch of Greatfuldead-lovers showed up, expecting hippy music (they look the part, a bit). Of course, they really heard Sabbath-bassed riffing with a lead singer who's so fucking fun to watch, it's gross. The nerds didn't realize they were dancing to grungerock/metal, I was made half deaf by standing with my ear to one of the monitors, and I promptly got the album ASAP. They found out in the morning that their next show (at UNH) was cancelled, so they played again for us the next night in a dorm lounge for $100. More than anything, their singer is the balls. He does nearly the whole show from within the crowd, dances the whole time, and is sweet on the harmonica. "The chicks dig it," and he let's anyone who wants join him on the choruses. He's definitely hyperactive (read: speedfreak), weighs maybe 110, and can consume a fifth during the show without effect. Their album "Rock'n'Roll" (no motorhead references) is killer. Not a bad song on it. Good lyrics. "Great hooks, dude." I HIGHLY recommmend it. Ranks there with Fist Sized Chunks, Up In It, and Bleach. To quote: I've never fallen in love 'Cause I ain't no fool Gonna' live my life Just like I'm in high school... -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont When some trendy new atrocity has brought you to your knees, come with us, we'll sail the seas of cheese. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: Goo Goo Dolls To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 13:26:09 PDT > > Hey: any Cynics fans out there? How about the Goo Goo Dolls? > If so, and if anyone's interested (blah blah blah), I could > relate some amusing tales about the two, besides the fact that > they are both excellent live... > Ya, relate away! I'm a big Goo Goo Fan, Johnny Goo voted my band (ex-band) first place in a battle o' bands in Buffalo a couple of years ago (we came in 2nd overall but his vote was of course the most important). He used to work at that club (the Continental) picking up bottles and such. Then we got to open for them in Syracuse (thats where we were from) and I saw 'em again last November in SF, oh ya, and again last spring here in Seattle. They are alot of fun to see. Also, have they started recording again yet? Someone asked about the first album. I have it at home, so I'll look tonite, but I think its self titled. I cant recall the label, but I'll pass on more tomorrow if no one beats me to it. John haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Cluff Subject: Rites of Spring To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 16:55:00 EDT >The vocal stylist in my rock music ensemble recommended that I seek recordings >from a band that goes or went by the name of "Rites of Spring". After learning >of the joy I've received from my Fuqazi records, he assured me that a Rites of >Spring purchase would be in my best interests. Agreed. Rites of Spring were wunnerful. >What I need to know from y'all is, do these homiez have anythang on disk?? >If so, what label, when released, or any other info on the band.... enlighten >me! If'n you mean Compact Disc, the answer is no, unless some European company has done something... Rites of Spring were a DC band consisting of now-Fugazitroid Guy "rhymes-with-key" Picciotto (the one with the non-Ian or gravelly voice). In this man's humble opinion, RoS were miles better than Fugazi. The group released one LP (self-titled) on Dischord and one EP ("All Through a Life"). They also changed their name a bit. When one member left, they called themselves One Last Wish. When he rejoined, they called themselves Happy Go Licky (which my then-band [which included two guys from Unrest and had a very mediocre Teen Beat release] got to open for at dc space). Very powerful performances they had. In a way, they were a bit overblown, which made them a target in Pussy Galore's song, "Revolution Summer," cuz Guy would cry during some songs. Despite this, their rekkid kicks. You could either ask Dischord for their stuff (the LP is better), or I'd be happy to tape it for you if you wish... ****************************************************************************** Mike Cluff -- mike%luick@ubvms, or * One who knows does not email; mike%1428@ubvms or v22964qs@ubvms * One who emails does not know. UB Language Perception Laboratory * (apologies to Lao Tzu) ****************************************************************************** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Labels and Pumpkins, sitting in a tree To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 16:58:19 EDT Grunge-O-Matics, Chris Peacock crows: >in other ways (just kidding, or maybe not). Anyway, does anyone like >Smashing Pumpkins? Yes. I haven't bought "Gish" yet but the SubPop single gets regular play on my turntable. I haven't found their earlier release yet either. Haven't heard of a tour. Bah. I've been Smash-less for too long. >P.S. To Bukowski Fans- >I just finished "Tales of Ordinary Madness"-definitely not as good as >"The Most Beautiful Women in Town" but worth reading. I enjoyed _Factotum_ greatly, as well as _Women_. I'm working on a poetry book of his right now called _Sometimes You Get So Alone That It Just Makes Sense_ and although I'm a self-professed modern poet hater, I'm really enjoying it. I also have _Hot Water Music_ waiting on the shelf. If anyone wants to make other recommendations, or better yet, know where I can get stuff by mail order, I'll be yer bestest buddy fer life. Alan Ramaley ponders: >>I just got "The Grunge Years", my first real experience w/ SubPop, >independant label? In the middle eighties, when I was in my buying >frenzy period, I would slurp up anything by Homestead or SST. I even >had an SST label on my guitar case This was true for myself as well, until SST went down the shitter in quality and ripped me off. It was enough to stop buying their things listen-unheard (sight-unseen, geddit?). Homestead was really good as well. Right now I'll buy just about anything on Earache (Combat) and definitely anything on Touch & Go. I've always bought T&G stuff without pause for about five or six years now, but since they're so slow to release things, I don't get as worked up about it as I do with other labels. >Both of these labels have become sad parodies of their original >goodness, cranking out 'best of' compilations and 'genre' collections, >like SST's latest 'Duck and Cover'. That's all SST's done for the last three years, from what I can tell. Except the new Negativeland single (I heard last night) which was pretty good. >I was wondering, the other day, how many years it'll be until Sub Pop >becomes irrelevant, as far as quality music goes. My prediction: they'll be out of business in a year, or saved (bought) by some big company and totally ruined. I used to be an ultra-satisfied customer, now I get diddly by the mail and it's always way-late, and sometimes incorrect. The lack of vinyl on many of the new releases turns me off in a big way. >I think this >'Grunge Years' complilation is the start of the slide; its raison >d'etre is to make people buy Sub Pop stuff that has come before it. >True, most of the tracks are great; but they're old. When Sub Pop was >putting out its Sub Pop 100 and 200 collections, I was happy as a >clam; unreleased tracks, by fantastic bands. But now it seems they're >poised to follow SST into the tar pit, surviving by sales from their >back catalog. Bingo! SP 100 and 200 exposed me to a lot of new bands and made me buy into the SP sound. This new one is just another attempt to rake in those extra bucks. Granted, they may need them right now, but I don't see the backorders being filled too quickly. I do see ads run in every Spin magazine though. Harumph. >So, the question is, when Sub Pop dies, are we going turn into a bunch >of jaded heshers trading Nirvana bootlegs and bragging about how >scratched and worn their vinyl copy of 'Bleach' sounds, or will the >grunge scene stay vibrant and alive? I'd like to think that other labels will step into the void. Touch & Go keeps plugging along, and they're always good for the emergency fix. Sympathy For The Record Industry has been cranking out shitloads of singles. Amphetimine Reptile is growing by leaps and bounds (one of the main reasons why Halo of Flies is no more). Rough Trade was grunging out before the fold. Matador just keeps amazing me with their wonderful stuff (they're run by the folks who originally put together Homestead, so their tastes do not surprise or disappoint me). There's many more. I know little. So, what's a hesher? Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: The purest form of flattery... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 17:02:54 EDT John H., If you're really on the lookout for Fugazi clones, you might check out Fuel. Available via mail order from Subterranean, and others, I'm sure. Friends in Houston speak highly of Fuel, even if they do wear their influ- ences on their sleeves. I'm not sure of the label, but I think they may be a D.C. band, too. ? Eric Avera avera@astrosun.TN.cornell.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: Primus/Tad To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 14:31:34 PDT > > anyway, i was fortunate enough to be able to get into a show at the > paradise in boston featuring Primus and Tad. don't get me wrong, i > like primus, but i just couldn't miss Tad (but who could?). > > sporting a purple moody blues tye-dye, TAD doyle took the stage. they I would like to take a little Tad survey here on the net. I hope there are enough subjects. It has to do with Tad's wardrobe. I saw Tad here in Seattle a couple of months back and he wore this black T-shirt with "Smoke Pot" in big green letters on it. Then I saw him at the same club a couple of weeks later just hangin' out wearing the same shirt. A while later I was at a bar gettin a beer, turned around to find Tad standing right behind me. Yup, he was wearing the sam T-shirt. Then I talked to a friend of mine who saw Tad and Primus in SF, and sure enough, he had his favorite shirt. I went to the Primus/Tad show in Seattle, but I missed Tad and didn't inquire as to his attire. What I wanna know is, at how many shows across this great land, has he wore that "Smoke Pot" shirt? > security got worse. well, they had some pretty nice equipment that they > probably wouldn't want broken... i think they opened with "blue collar Here in Seattle, Primus didn't seem to mind the poeple on stage. Security was a lot more lax for them than it was a week before for Suicidal Tendencies a week before at the same venue. ST might be an extreme case security wise though. John haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ramaley%CSLI.STANFORD.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Labels and Pumpkins, sitting in a tree To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 15:37:55 -0700 "What is a hesher?" you ask. A hesher is a fuzzy puppy frolicking in the grass. A hesher is a look that says, 'I love you'. A hesher is that friend of your older brother's who wore greasy bellbottoms with a 'keep on truckin' applique on the back pocket, had a toyota tercel with a too-slow tape deck, and smoked a lot of grass. His favorite record is Black Sabbath's 'Paranoid', but plays the slow part of 'Layla' when he's trying to impress girls. He ended up living somewhere in upstate New York with some menial job (probably holding the slow/stop sign at road construction sites). -- Alan Aitken Ramaley (415) 326-9546, P. O. Box 9217, Stanford, CA 94309 Aquarius -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: woj Subject: goo goo dolls To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 19:58:19 EDT the first album is on mercenary records and no matter what the band memebers say, it's an incredible album. no idea where you can get a copy, unless you rip off my brother, who does have one. all i have is a dub of it. they are playing in buffalo for that free concert thingie this fall - i forgot the dates, but i'm tempted to drive up from jersey if it i'm free...we'll have to see. i'll go look and try to find the dates...or maybe rockin' jon has them for us? woj@remus.rutgers.edu - smou/dj-for-hire - hooked on phonics -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: The first week of class... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 23:14:26 EDT Rob's Grungology 101 - Record Reviews for the Demented Rein Sanction "Broc's Cabin" LP [Sub Pop - SP92/Glitterhouse] ------------------------------------------------------------- Produced by Kramer, recorded in Gainesville, Florida. Three guys who've been playing together since they were 13. Two are brothers, I believe. Never heard of them until I got a Sub Pop single of theirs, which I really didn't like at first. But it grew on me. Not a stitch in any magazine I've read. This personal, short, mega-grainy-feedback piece of vinyl has been living on my turntable almost full time for two weeks. I can't figure out any of the lyrics, but they sound good and feel convincing. The guitar, well, geez, I really wish I knew what effects these boys use. It's like the way-fuzzed-out intro to L7's "Shove", but every song, layers upon layers, with an underlying melody line that carries everything. Songs like "Limestone", "Creel" (what is (a) Creel?), "Kilmonick", and "Sasquatch". It's a homey kind of grunge, and it's warm and fuzzy and grows on you, like fungus. You ain't gonna like to hear it, but I'm taping this one on the other side of my tape copy of _Bleach_, and I think _Broc's Cabin_ *is the* _Bleach_ of '91. Sue me. It won't ever be that big due to the lack of press and the limited distribution (I've had it on order for well over three months) but it *should* be. Maybe Sub Pop hasn't lost that magic edge, but they'll still probably die due to lack of production. Two big fat thumbs up, with love. Mudhoney "Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge" LP [Sub Pop - SP105] ------------------------------------------------------------- Another one I've waited for for months. I'll say right out that it's even further away from _SuperFuzzBigMuff_ than _mudhoney_ was, and since the former is godhead ultra-brilliance, that means this isn't. The catalog claims they get back to their roots, and it's true. A big garage-tribute, including a remix of "Thorn" (from an early single) that, although it lacks the balls of the early version, is convincing in it's own right. Don't get me wrong. This is a good album, lots of fun, with some grunge high points. But it isn't the "tidal wave of noise" (quoth Mark Arm) that the first EP was. This doesn't hurt. You won't bleed. But there's lots of way- fun organ, harmonica, and a distorted snot-snore-buzz from drummer Dan Peters that plays a perfect song intro. The LP cover is way cooler than the stupid commercial picture that graces the CD box, with the nifty drawing dwarfed to tiny proportions. Sigh. High points on the LP include "Let It Slide", "Thorn", "Fuzzgun '91" and the others all carry their weight. But if yer looking for pure sludge and grunge you'd probably be better off buying the five song _Let It Slide_ CD single. I'll give this a thumb and a half up, just because it came after _SuperFuzz_ and not before. Didjits "Full Nelson Reilly" LP [Touch & Go - TG#71] ---------------------------------------------------- What can I say? Either you've heard the Didjits and like 'em, or you haven't heard them, or you hate them. There's no fence sitting with this band. More fun and games in this fourth(?) album (the other three being _Hornet Pinyata_, _Hey Judester_, and _Fizzjob_ I believe, please correct me if I screwed up). There's a lyric sheet, not that it matters much, since the lyrics seem to take a non-existant role in the music. There's lots of repeated themes, screwy ideas, and pro-pot references, such as tunes like "Who's Ready To Get High?", "The Pot Thief" and "Eat the Roach". But you can't beat reading lyrics like: "I got my stomach cut open and my head is chopped off I got a knife in my throat and my legs are chopped off There are twenty black wolves ripping up my neck I got a demon in my brain and I'm on my way to hell I got my eyes pulled out and this all happened out At the house on haunted hill" -- House on Haunted Hill This one is produced by Reggie (anyone know who this is) instead of Albini, who still rants and raves about how the Didjits are the best rock band of the '80's and '90's. I don't know if I'd agree. The do pull off a cover of Devo's "Mr. DNA" that I didn't even recognize but still really enjoy. It's still rockin', it's still punkish, it moves at a good pace. I like it. One thumb pointing to heaven for this one. Rob rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: One potatah... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 23:55:34 EDT The art of slimey scumming-out, "Grungetneugan"! Agent STOLTZ, PETER reports: >>when albini turned the knobs, but really they are just a foursome >>writing pop to be digested by the masses to make lots of money... >>it's my opinions they've been trying to do this all along...ick. >Well, I enjoy it in any case. And I think Black Francis has THE coolest >voice/scream going today. Yeah, it's funny, supposedly they're just going for the college pop bucks but Francis writes way hoopy demented lyrics that are just heads above what most people are trying to do today (including stuff off _Bossanova_), he has a painfully wonderful voice, they cover themes from video games, he's fat and balding and looks like he may explode, and he's going around doing these solo acoustics sets ala Bob Mould. Why would he bother? Unless it's a chance to rake in bucks for his greedy self using his name? Could be. Doc Exbert bellows: >I dont follow with what most people "define" as grunge bands >so asking me is a WHOLE lot different from asking rob, eh robbo? :-) You betcha. But I think there's a pretty clear vision here and so far I've been really enjoying this list since things started picking up again. I hope everyone is spreading the word and getting their trusted and true grunge-mates to join us. >so what "we" call grunge is looking for a clear-definition since >"we" all probably dont agree.... my point was talk about whatever >you want really, and you'll catchon to what bands we go off on as >well.... I like this approach. Say what you will. If it works, people will talk about it. If it's ignored, you might want to drop it. Anyways, buy Rein Sanction! >I would totally agree with this statement and have no problem >with it...hell I still listen to REM albums for the same reason. ;-) Same here. There are things worth "crossing over" for. And I'm hoping we won't spend too much time running over old ground, but people will speak up and turn me on to some new stuff, even if it isn't exactly "grunge". >in all cases. would he care? not really, JohnR is widely open and >accepts adverse criticism without an attitude. nice for a change.... >but I think rock-n-roll covers the Fluid better than punk or grunge, >but hell its MHO. See, that's funny. I stopped using the term "rock-n-roll" when previous metallers like Motley Crew and Poison started describing their music that way. It's become such a commercial, mainstream, "safe" term. Even stoopid Spin has a big issue on the "Search for Rock'n'Roll" (yes, it sucked total dog wee-wee). Shall we mourn the death of the term "R'N'R"? Perhaps Alan or someone would like to write a musing about it? And Dave points out: >>If you love Dino Jr.you might as well pick up the sparse singles and first >>LP. >I have "Just Like Heaven" and "Lotta Love" from the _Bridge_ album >as well as _Green Mind_, and you're right, the Wagon is the standout >track Oh shit, I can't believe I forgot that one!! The _Just Like Heaven_ single is a must own. Buy the vinyl, it's got a cool engraving on side two. I apologize to my own sense of self-worth for forgetting such an important slab. Dino Jr. at their height (and death). I don't think _Green Mind_ can compare. Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Three potatah... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 23:55:55 EDT Chip Hart mumbles: >Hey: any Cynics fans out there? How about the Goo Goo Dolls? I just got _Jed_ and like it plenty. "James Dean" cracked me up big time, and damned if they didn't hit the nail on the head as well. What was their name before the change? I heard they had to come up with a new one for some dumb reason so they picked "Goo Goo Dolls" on a whim. Eric Avera blabs: >I attributed the Alice Donut question to Ron Rader, but it looks like it >really came from Doug0. >Appy-polly-logies. `:) ^^^ Honest to god folks, that smiley's exactly what he looks like, if you can imagine. And a wit to match. Bang! John Hass crosses-over: >The vocal stylist in my rock music ensemble recommended that I seek recordings >from a band that goes or went by the name of "Rites of Spring". After learning >of the joy I've received from my Fuqazi records, he assured me that a Rites of >Spring purchase would be in my best interests. This is on my next order to Dischord. I think someone covered this well, so I won't say anything (not that I have much to say) except that I have heard lots of good things about them. Eric mentions the band Fuel which a lot of people call "a Fugazi clone" but what little I've heard of them didn't really remind me of Fugazi. Fuel is either from Boston or California, but I can't for the life of me remember. >Well I immediately thought of the Ramones >(a hardcore band from the early '80s), they had a song, i think it was called >"I wanna be Inflated", that had a one note guitar solo. I don't know... is this a joke? "I Wanna Be Sedated"? They are still around as well, touring as usual. Pretty amusing, the Pepsi commercial with the Ramones snippet, original and unadultered. Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Two potatah... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 23:55:46 EDT John Haas joins in with: >While that show was unfolding I was at a club one block away seeing a band >called "My Sisters Machine". Nick, their lead singer, used to play guitar for >Alice In Chains, and MSM is in that same vein. They've been signed to Let's hear more about this band, if only because I haven't heard of them and I think we've been treading some old ground lately. Of course, at least we're not comparing Zep and PInk Floyd tunes, eh dudes? :) >Pearl Jam just released their record, no >its not grunge, BUT two of the boys (Jeff and Stone) They had a small article in the latest Spin, although there was little mention of the music and more talk of their "clothes" and "style". Oh boy. >Bone who where not grunge, BUT they also used to be in Green River with Mark >Arm, THEY were grunge. From what I'm told (I didnt live here then) when the Green River's first LP is on Homestead, and it's okay, but the quality lacks. One thing about most SP stuff is that Jack Endino is a really good producer who gets the real grungy sound out of bands, and his studio has that magic mix of modern quality with the primitive end that goes with garage/vinyl sounds. >Future postings won't be so long. Sorry, but this is my first. If anything >comes to me, I'll pass it on. Feel free to flame and correct if i messed. Bah. No flames here. Welcome to the fold. I hope every post is that long or longer (since at the least it'll make me look less long-winded). DougO speaks up: >Speaking of NY and Sonic Youth, did any of you see them tour together? I >saw them (with Drivin' 'n' Cryin' opening; wish I could have seen Social >Distortion instead) this spring Not really, SD sucked wind as well. Their new stuff is just rockabilly poop to me. >Youth. They spent more time slamming their guitars against the speakers >than playing songs, and what songs they did play just sounded awful. I think that was the idea. I mean, what's the odds of them winning over any of Neil's hippy/redneck/old fart fans (I like Neil, don't nuke me)? I think they went out to prove a point. From what I understand there were few SY fans at any of the big shows, so I think they just figured they'd fuck around and offend. I wonder what Mr. Young thought of their shenanigans. >really love _Goo_, but I haven't heard much else of their stuff; I'm >assuming that it was the sound system's fault, and not just that their >earlier stuff sucks. Any suggestions for albums to try? Ask and I can mail a discography to you. You shouldn't ask me for recommendations, since I like them all, but I still think, fairly and IMHO, that _Daydream Nation_ is the best album of all time. You might want to give it a listen. I'll shut up now, since everyone else has addressed this SY/Neil Y thing pretty well. All very interesting reading folks. My thanks. >It's Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine, named after Jimmy Carter, the >ex-President. They're very good, actually, but very hard to describe; sort >of like Pet Shop Boys on speed with guitars. Tell me more. Where are they from. When you say Pet Shop Boys, are we talking boring pop with grungy geetars, or what? What label? How many albums? Where are they from? Where can I find their stuff? Details, details. Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Four... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 23:56:10 EDT Last one tonight folks, I'll shut up, thanks for all the interesting convo this week, hope there's more to come. Sir Alan Ramaley-dee-doo explains: >A hesher is that friend of your older >brother's who wore greasy bellbottoms with a 'keep on truckin' >applique on the back pocket, had a toyota tercel with a too-slow tape >deck, and smoked a lot of grass. His favorite record is Black >Sabbath's 'Paranoid', but plays the slow part of 'Layla' when he's >trying to impress girls. He ended up living somewhere in upstate New >York with some menial job (probably holding the slow/stop sign at road >construction sites). I'll have you know that the "slow" sign holding job I inherited from Uncle Joe after he got creamed by the tanker pays purty darned well and has lots of benefits. You Cal-Eye-Forn-Ians just don't appreciate real job security. Besides, my tape deck doesn't play too slow. Your brain just listens too fast. Nyah! "I am Iron Man..." Wasting your time as well as mine, Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thy BERND! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1991 05:16:22 TZONE hi, rites of spring have some stuff out, but i think no cd. the label is like the fugazi-stuff DISCHORD (washington). the easiest way to get the information is to send a request to the punk-list (punk-list@cs.tut.fi). a member of this list is a DISCHORD-specialist. email me if nothing happened (i'll give you the DISCHORD-address then)! bye - thy BERND! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Goo Goo Dolls To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1991 09:47:29 EDT > Ya, relate away! Ok. He asked for it. My evening with the Goo's. We somehow got our college admins to allow us to get the Goo Goo Dolls for our groovy alternative concert series (which, for a small Vermont school, fared pretty well now that I think about it...). Anyway, I had graduated but know all the guys helping to get the show together, so I drove down to get in free. I happened to be walking across campus when this HUGE, UGLY winnebago pulled up to the roadside. Out popped Johnny Goo, red/blue/yellow hair and all. I knew who it was, but the regular campus co-eds did not, so some people around me were taken aback (these not-so-liberal-liberal-arts-college- students), not realizing their brush with fame. Anyway, I waited until they arrived at the "Concert Hall" (read: 200 seat cafeteria) to meet them. Johnny Goo, lead singer/guitarist, wasn't too nice, though he IS a credit to his instrument. Rob Goo, bass player extraordinaire, was quite nice and talkative. Finally, the drummer, George, is VERY weird (see below). They also brought along 2 roadies, one of whom has to be the cousin of the "Oi!" dude from the battery ad. Finally, there was Dave, their manager, fresh outa' two years at school, trying to make money left and right. ANYWAY... We helped unload all of their equipment from the winnebago, in which they were also living. They had a huge collection of VCR tapes they'd rented from places around the country and failed to return. They also had a CB, with which George tried to pick up trucker women for a while after they discovered that it actually worked. At some point we realized that they needed food, so I volunteered to bring them to one of the cafeterias. It was damn cold and windy, which kept Rob from lighting one of the sorriest joints I've ever seen. The caf was fun because they really stuck out in that crowd. At this point, we lost George for nearly an hour and a half. Johnny said something about, "...that damn JUNKIE..." and told Dave, their manager, that George was close to being kicked out of the band. George is apparently very "sensitive" as well and, if you leave him alone, becomes very hyper and is likely to take off on his own. After many more EXCITING stories like this, they played. GREAT stuff. Two encores of "Sex Maggot." Johnny did a wonderful acoustic song about his girlfriend moving to Cali which was damn good. They substituted "left handed" for "gay" in James Dean, which was funny. Rob Goo was on a wireless, so he played in the crowd half the time. The highlight was their cover of "Don't Fear the Reaper," which I didn't even recognize 'till half way through it! So, to make a LOONG story shorter, their show kicked ass. We did a funny live interview with Rob over the air. I found them places to sleep all over the dorms. They were a blast to see. Jed is a great album, thought their followup needs a little. Rob Goo is getting chubby. They'll probably be at the College Music Seminar in NYC for a few years to come. Toodle-loo. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont When some trendy new atrocity has brought you to your knees, come with us, we'll sail the seas of cheese. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Sampson x20644 R12-2019 134385" Subject: Re: more taters.. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1991 08:04:16 PDT On the subject of _Daydream Nation_ ... What's the connection between J. Mascis and "Teen Age Riot" ? Is the song inspired by J. or about him? The lyrics seem to suggest so, and I have read articles to that effect before. Other good SY albums to try (after _DN_ of course): _Sister_, _EVOL_, _Bad Moon Rising_. I would suggest avoiding _Sonic Death_, _The Whitey Album_ and _Confusion Is Sex_ 'til you've adjusted a little. Don't want to scare you away ... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sixteen days - gathering dust Subject: more taters.. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1991 09:43:00 CST Rob Vaughn rambles about potatoes, but makes one statement (at least!) that I'll agree with: >Ask and I can mail a discography to you. You shouldn't ask me for >recommendations, since I like them all, but I still think, fairly and IMHO, >that _Daydream Nation_ is the best album of all time. You might want to >give it a listen. >Rob Not just your HO, Rob, but mine as well. There's something about _Daydream Nation_ that you can't put your finger on, other than looking like a complete disciple and saying, "It's fucking brilliant." There is no other way to put it. Grungefiends, if you *haven't* heard this album, by all means get it, strap it on your turntable, bolt it in your tape deck, or cement it into your disc player, and listen. It's amazing. Done proselytizing! Dave. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Smashing Pumpkins (fwd) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1991 12:19:26 EDT I witnessed "Smashing Pumpkins" last week and forgot to write any sort of review for the list. Pretty good show, despite the fact that they are very arrogant. The songs sound like the intro to the Door's "The End" with a grunge section tacked on the end. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: more taters.. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1991 13:26:15 EDT > Other good SY albums to try (after _DN_ of course): _Sister_, _EVOL_, > _Bad Moon Rising_. I would suggest avoiding _Sonic Death_, _The Whitey Album_ > and _Confusion Is Sex_ 'til you've adjusted a little. Don't want to scare > you away ... Of course, the 7" or 12" of "Ciccone Youth" is a must have. "We're the dudes!" -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont When some trendy new atrocity has brought you to your knees, come with us, we'll sail the seas of cheese. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: RAMONES! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1991 09:56:46 EDT Robbie pontificates: > Pretty amusing, the Pepsi commercial with the > Ramones snippet, original and unadultered. Has anyone seen that Bud Light commercial with the Ramones? Those two leather clad geeks with the Lady Luck truck transmogrify into the Can-Am racer, and race around the track with the Ramones going "hey ho, let's go" in the back- ground. Only seen it once, probably got yanked or something. I just about had a shit fit. "Oh cripes, the Ramones in a beer commercial! Almost as bad as the Doors with 'Buick, Light My Fire'." -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Occupant Subject: Rites of Spring and other info To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1991 10:37:06 CDT 1) Rites of Spring is, according to my info (100th ish of MRR) on Dischord or whatever the Fugazi house-label is. 2) The Ramones song mentioned is "I wanna be Sedated", and I do not think that it has a solo on the original. I DID hear a local bar band do it and the girl I was with wanted to dance, so her and I tried to do a full pit on an empty dance floor and the Guitarrist did an *EXTENDED*solo. Talk about exhausting! Thas enough for now Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "It's Louder than Love but don't think I know what it means" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NATASHA Subject: Re: Goo Goo Dolls (The real story) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1991 19:25:00 EDT I think the Goo Goo Dolls are awesome live.. When I heard their new cd, *which is the first time I *really* listened to them I didn't care for it too much.. but live they are kick ass! Some girls are such naive Buffaloanians :) >Ok, ok. I just got back. I went upstair and found the info you were looking >for. >Fallfest '91 >Big Audio Dynamite II >Jimmy Cliff >The Goo Goo Dolls >Merl Saunders and the Rainforest Band >I.K. Dairo and the Blue Spots >and >Downtown Science >September 14th noon til ??? >Let me know if you need directions. If it doesn't rain, and it is outdoors, >it is free. If they have to rent out out Arena, it will cost non - students. I need directions.. *giggles* just kidding.. ;) >If you need crash space, talk to me. cool and then they can meet the grunge kitty *purrr* >Renee, this probably means our tri Toronto next week will be Postphoned, >considering Dennis is working Fall fest. (Dennis is my housemate who was >planning on going to Toronto with my girlfriend (Renee) and I. Renee is on >this list! Tis ok, for the following Tuesday and Wednesday *17 and 18th I think* we have off from school.. from work.. i dunno.. BUT we will go within a week or so. Besides, we can't miss the Goo Goo Dolls.. :)) no way! Take care fellow grunge lovers, *awaiting the arrival of Badmotorfinger* Renee -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Occupant Subject: Re:What happened to The Sidewinders? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1991 02:26:32 CDT What Happened to the Sidewinders? Gee, I don't know, but I did hear "Witchdoctor" off the one before "Auntie Ramo's" (or whatever; I didn't hear song one off that one), and I do know they had a good thing going. Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "I don't have to sell my soul He's already in me I wanna be adored" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Re:What happened to The Sidewinders? To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Sat, 7 Sep 91 18:13:52 EDT > What Happened to the Sidewinders? Gee, I don't know, but I did > hear "Witchdoctor" off the one before "Auntie Ramo's" (or whatever; > I didn't hear song one off that one), and I do know they had a > good thing going. > I honestly think they are just between albums. I didn't quite like their second album, I lived their first album "Witchdoctor. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VS8154%UMKCVAX3.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1991 19:18:00 CDT I just got _Bug_ by Dinosaur Jr., which is my first exposure to said band. Not really what I expected, which would have more fuzzed-out, and much more ponderous. After listening to it about ten times I finally decided I liked it. The only thing I really had trouble with was getting used to his voice. Favorite songs are *Budge* and *Freak Scene*. If anyone out in Grungeland has the lyrics to the songs on _Bug_ I'd appreciate seeing them. Of course you needn't worry about *Don't*. I pretty much have that one figgered out. :) I'm kinda surprised no one has brought up Frank Zappa on this here list. His stuff may not be necessarily "grungy", but he definitely has that "retarded cousin who picks his nose at the dinner table and eats it" charming way about him. Is he still making music? I know he's thinking of running for President (yes, of the United States of America) but only if he thinks he has a good chance of winning. With the Democrats in the state they're in, that doesn't sound too far out. :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Occupant Subject: Francis Zappa, President (Was: ) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1991 19:43:51 CDT As for Dinosaur Jr., there's only one song that I know the lyrics by heard on that album. Included below. BTW: The person who sang (wrote?) that song was kicked out of the band soon after that album's release, or so I've been told, so I guess there was a reason to wonder. FZ: He has three double albums out relating to his '88 tour of Europe and the East Coast. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol.4(?), The Best Band You've Never Heard In Your Life, and Make A Jazz Noise Here. I only have heard (and have) The Best Band..., and it is great. One of the band members can do a perfect Johnny-Cash voice, and imagine 1) slow "Ring of Fire" cover with a Cash voice and Frank going "Yes, the same line again" and "Use Anusol" in the background; 2) A Residents version of Purple Haze segueing via"Gabby Hayes,Willie Mays,Issac Hayes" into a Residents version of "Sunshine of Your Love" w/ the Cash voice; 3) A Jimmy Swaggert version of "Lonesome Cowboy Burt" with lines like I fucked up and now I've Sinned" and "I spew 'til I goo on the rug"; 4) "Who Needs the Peace Corps?", a wonderful response to the retro- 60's bullshit going on; 5) "Stairway to Heaven" with a horn section. As for his electioneering, I have seen his plans and I would vote for him. I'm a voter-registrar and I've gotten many people promising to vote for the guy. I'd give him my drinking money for a week and a weeks worth of music money right now if that would make the difference between him running and not. My soul is already morgaged so I can't put that up. I've heard stories of him slamming more-intellectual-than-thou Dick Cavett on his own show talking about 12th Century social structures. He's even tight w/ the Pres of Czecholslovakia, although Havel does like Captain Beefheart better. Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "While I make you do pornographic splits while I watch and we'll have so much fun" -F. Zappa (It's a better slam than Lard's "Hellfudge") -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DMatson%UCS.UMASS.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: helmet, etc. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1991 18:12:58 -0400 drove to providence for Helmet last weekend, and of course it was well worth such a minimal effort. they are extremely impressive live, one of the best shows in quite a while (since the last helmet show?). they play boston on 10/15 and I can't wait. rumors that nirvana & smashing pumkpkins are playing the "wfnx birthday party" on the 23rd, bizarre setting, but should be great. pumpkins are just hyped out of control these days, but I still think they're great. heard the new nirvana song once or twice and it seems pretty happening. cows & upside down cross in the near future should prove interesting. dave dmatson@ucs.umass.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRADLEY WILLIAMS Subject: Heavy Metal... Thrash.. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1991 01:23:48 CDT I just chanced on finding this list... pretty cool stuff. Are there any BITNET lists that cater to the thrashier kind of Jam ? If there are I don't know of it. thanks dudes (dudettes ?) * brad w. at univ. of south ms. * disclaimer: I don't need no steekin disclaimer -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thy BERND! Subject: Re: Goo Goo Dolls (Lance Diamond) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1991 13:38:52 TZONE he, if the FIRST LP is still available (maybe on CD too) could anyone give me an address where i can order it (from germany)? how much is this SHIT!? and to the guy who's band won the 2nd price in the GOO GOO DOLLS-contest (and to all the other ones of you who play(ed) in a band) - think about releasing something on my TAPE-LABEL!!! bye - thy BERND! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: Goo Goo Dolls (Lance Diamond) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1991 08:14:22 PDT Ya Jon, I gotta Goo question for ya. Besides being a legendary lounge singer, (i think the liner notes said that) who is Lance Diamond, what is his connection with the Gooz, and why do they keep puttin him on the records as guest vocalist? Maybe I'm missin something, but those two tracks have probably been my least favorite Goo Goo Dolls tracks. And I agree with the others, the first album is worth the price, and it is available on CD. John haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: dive To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1991 10:02:58 MDT dive, dive, dive DIVE IN ME! god what a great song to blast on CD first thing monday morning at work. ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: badmotorfinger To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1991 12:37:28 EDT I don't know if this is news, but a friend of mine is sending me an advance copy of badmotorfinger. His first comment was that it sounds a bit like Foreigner. As far as he can tell, the new version of '1000 miles wide is simply the same song with additional vocals tacked on. "Some parts suck, but some are still quite good," to quote. 9/25/91 - Nevermind - Nirvana That's the CMJ rumor. In case you cared... -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont When some trendy new atrocity has brought you to your knees, come with us, we'll sail the seas of cheese. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: Goo Goo Dolls To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1991 13:12:23 PDT > if the FIRST LP is still available (maybe on CD too) could anyone give me > an address where i can order it (from germany)? how much is this SHIT!? I'll try to get an address for ya > > and to the guy who's band won the 2nd price in the GOO GOO DOLLS-contest (and > to all the other ones of you who play(ed) in a band) - think about releasing > something on my TAPE-LABEL!!! > The band I was in that was in that contest (it wasn't really a GGD contest, Johnny Goo was just one of the judges) was called Pagan Love. We are no longer together and all of our recording are pretty bad quality wise.... and otherwise. I have formed another band since I've moved to Seattle. We're not ready to record yet, but please post some info about your TABE-LABEL. I forgot to mention one kinda funny part about that contest. We thought it would be amusing and politically correct (since Johnny Goo was there) to cover a Goo Goo Dolls song. We opened with "Outta Sight". He was in sight at the time, so of course I had to watch to see his reaction. He was picking up empty bottles (that was his job), then he stopped, and looked at us with a bewildered look on his face. I'm thinking "Great, he's pissed at us now!" but then he got a smile on his face and went back to work. After our set he came up to Steve our singer and said, "at first I was thinkin', god this sounds familiar, and then I'm like, shit, I wrote this". He thought it was cool, and it got a good reaction too. Gee, maybe thats why we got his first place vote. Hmmmm... John haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: best ever show To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1991 14:53:57 MDT ok - this has GOT to be the coolest and BEST concert ever! No contest. The insert of the Butthole Surfers live dbl-CD shows : a flyer with - Butthole Surfers, Killdozer, Scratch Acid and Laughying Hyenas Sat May 24 8pm All Ages $8 at the GrayStone in detroit michigan! (no idea what year) holy earplugs what I would've given to have been at that one! keeeerist - so did anyone (jon?) make it there? ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andy%SLCS.SLB.COM@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: seattle To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1991 17:41:30 CDT Hi, I'm wondering what the music scenes around the country are like. Well, specifically in Seattle, since I'm thinking about packing up and moving there on a whim. I'm pretty tired of dicking around here in Austin where nobody seems to like the music I'm interested in. Hell, I know it'll be cool, I just need some encouragement. I'm a singer by the way. Yee hah. Have I posted on this list before? I've been on it a year I think. Since I'm posting, does anyone know why the CD version and the album version of Afghan Whigs are different? There are some extra songs on the CD, but there is one song on the LP that is left off. It annoys me for some reason. Maybe it's because it's a good song. So long from the home of Dangerous Toys and Timbuk 3.... Geez this is a creepy town. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Jarvinen Subject: mudhoney To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1991 20:13:14 EDT My ears and neck are still recovering from the Hyenas/Mudhoney show last nigth. The Hyenas were much better than the last time I saw them opening for SY on the Daydream Nation tour. In short, they can play their instruments better. The crowd was a total drag though; I am beginning to hate all-ages shows. Mudhoney came on and played for maybe an hour. Some dude in the balcony video-taped it but I was too high on life and stuff to remember to talk to him afterwards. They played stuff from their three main records. No organ or harmonica on tour though. The place I saw them at, St. Andrews in Detroit, is very strange. There is this obnoxiously pretentious alternateen hell bar underneath that pumps out so-called 'dance' music while the bands are playing; you can occasionally feel a different bass-line through your feet than the one the band is playing. I was most satisfied with the last song "Hate the Police" which I didn't expect to hear after that Australian EP thing came out. The Melvins are playing in Kalamazoo tonight and Mark announced "the Melvins are here". Everyone reading this list should own a copy of the Cynics album "Rock and Roll" Many a lad has got up the balls to title their music with old black slang for fucking but the Cynics have made a record worthy of the title. Yes, it is ev better than the Zep song. Oh yeah at one point last night Dan goes "Detroit Rock City" and the crowd cheers; he turned to Mark and said "Hook, line and sinker". The Graystone was a club in Detroit that was a punk hangout where Sonic Youth appeared in Michigan for the first time but it existed before I ever lived here. Touch & Go was originally based in Dearborn a reactionary suburb. And does anyone know anything about what the Original Sins are up to? I've discovered another album by them but I'm fairly sure I've never seen their name in any bar ads around here. Do they tour? How much vinyl is available? And this ain't grunge but does anyone have any info on the Coal Porters which is supposed to be Sid Griffin's, late of the Long Ryders, new band. There is ano band with LR members too... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dougo%SODA.BERKELEY.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Stuff and things To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1991 21:40:42 -0700 Jeez, this list is heating up! I'll combine my replies into one long posting. (I'm too lazy to attribute the original authors, but you know who you are.) > Victims Family a Primus clone??? Eat my shorts, man! I do like Primus, > but I'd say VF is much more into their own music than anybody's else. > They do their own *bitching* thang. Their two minute attacks are breath- > taking - to see 'em is like sitting on an axe. I was in no way putting them down by saying that their music is like Primus's. Where are they from, anyway? If they're from the Bay Area, then you can't say Primus has had no influence on them. Regardless, I do like them, and plan on getting an album of theirs (do they have more than one?) > All this talk of Neil reminded me of my favorite southwestern band of > last year, who do a seriously noisy Neil-influenced guitar thing...*OKAY* > not Grunge but damn nasty guitar sound on "Auntie Ramos' Poll Hall", and > it just grinds straight ahead without stopping. Speaking of "Neil-influenced", the Blake Babies cover "Over and Over" in concert (and do a good job of it, too). I'm not sure what to think of this band; they were quite good in concert, but the two songs I've heard on the radio were silly pop songs. Anybody heard an album of theirs? > anyway, i was fortunate enough to be able to get into a show at the > paradise in boston featuring Primus and Tad. don't get me wrong, i > like primus, but i just couldn't miss Tad (but who could?). > [rest of review deleted] You beat me to it, I was gonna post a review of the Warfield show one of these days... I wasn't too impressed with Tad, to tell the truth. It seemed like they took a long time to really warm up and get into a groove. Primus, of course, is just great live, although I miss them playing "In the Flesh"/"Run Like Hell"... > Lastly, I don't know if this is grunge or not, but it came up in a grunge > conversation I had, MCI is 10.88 cents per minute after the first hour. MCI? Are they on SubPop? > Here in Seattle, Primus didn't seem to mind the poeple on stage. Security > was a lot more lax for them than it was a week before for Suicidal > Tendencies a week before at the same venue. ST might be an extreme case > security wise though. The ST show at the Warfield was pretty intense. Although no one managed to get on the stage, people were diving off the speakers on the sides pretty regularly. One person even jumped from the balcony! I'd be surprised if he didn't break any bones. It didn't seem like anyone even wanted to dive at the Primus show, however, and the crowd was a little too tight to really mosh either. Too bad, Primus is the best mosh band out there... I don't know why Rob said ST "lost their balls". I love their first album, but their others have been just as good, just more metal-oriented than punk. "Surf and Slam", "Suicyco Mania", "Possessed to Skate" are all great. > Not really, SD sucked wind as well. Their new stuff is just rockabilly poop > to me. I had never heard of Social Distortion before "Ball and Chain" and "Story of my Life", so I thought that's just the kind of band they were. (I like those songs, too...) What's their old stuff like, punk or grunge or what? > >It's Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine, named after Jimmy Carter, the > >ex-President. They're very good, actually, but very hard to describe; sort > >of like Pet Shop Boys on speed with guitars. > > Tell me more. Where are they from. When you say Pet Shop Boys, are we > talking boring pop with grungy geetars, or what? What label? How many > albums? Where are they from? Where can I find their stuff? Details, > details. Carter USM is from England somewhere. (I think London.) They are definitely not boring pop; like I said, imagine Pet Shop Boys on speed. Very fast drum machines, loud synths, stuff like that. Then add in a real drummer, NIN-style guitar, and put a snarl on the singer, and that's sort of like what they sound like. You could almost call them industrial dance, but they're not quite industrial, and you can't really dance to it. Some of the songs are slow, but they all have energy and a wall of sound. I really can't do it justice to describe it, but I highly recommend you try them. The label is Rough Trade. Two albums, I believe: _30something_ and _101_Damnations_, both with 1991 copyrights. Both should be available domestically. In their credits, they thank Ned's and the Inspirals (as well as MC4 (?)), if that says anything. And, of course, "all songs painstakingly written & performed by Jim Bob & Fruitbat". > Dave > t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet > "I don't have to sell my soul > He's already in me > I wanna be adored" Look, look, another Stone Roses fan! > I happened to be walking across campus when this HUGE, UGLY > winnebago pulled up to the roadside. Out popped Johnny Goo, > red/blue/yellow hair and all. I knew who it was, but the Okay, so is Johnny Goo the same as "My Friend Goo"? Does he wear green underwear? Also, thanks for all your album recommendations. My shopping list so far includes: anything by L7, _Jed_ by the Goo Goo Dolls, _Daydream Nation_ (et.al.) by Sonic Youth, _Broc's Cabin_ by Rein Sanction (is Rein one syllable or two?), _SuperFuzzBigMuff_ by Mudhoney, _Just Like Heaven_ by Dinosaur Jr. (I like the Cure version, I'm sure I'll like this version better...), and _Rock and Roll_ by the Cynics. What else would you guys put before any of these albums? In particular, what would you recommend from Nirvana or Tad? I'm pretty new to grunge, so all I've got so far are _Louder than Love_ and _UltraMega Ok_ by Soundgarden, _Goo_ by Sonic Youth, _Apple_ by Mother Love Bone (not really grunge, but hey, they're from Seattle...), and various other borderline grunge stuff like Primus, Husker Du, Lush, Kitchens of Distinction, Tin Machine, Ned's Atomic Dustbin, the Inspirals Carpets (Hammond organ grunge!), etc. Thanks, DougO -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thy BERND! Subject: Re: Minutemen discography To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 11:21:22 TZONE hi again, ok - if you finished the discography send me a copy. i'll add the n the things i miss. btw. you all know about fIREHOSE / DOS / ciccione youth? one thing to the CDs. sst rereleases one lp which is on the POST MERSHs as single CD (i heard), like the Descendents Bonus Fat (after Two Things At Once: Milo Goes To College + Bonus Fat). mike (bass-player of MM) wrote me a letter after i asked him if he/they have some material to release on my MUCH-SPOKEN-NOTHING-DONE (that's not the name) NON-PROFIT-CASSETTE-LABEL. he said he will send me some Demos (Mike Watt). i asked him about MADONNA (we are both fans), cause i plan a Madonna-Punk/HC- coverversion-compilation-tape. he'llgive me a demo of burnin' up. what's about you, musicians? i don't want the 1000th pseudo-punk-version of Like A Vigin or stuff like SYs Get Into The Groove (was ok for that time). i want a straight edge-version of LIVE TO TELL, or VOGUE in the Dinosaur-REPULSION-sound or a metalcore version of... for other informations email me... btB! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: best ever show To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 08:36:16 EDT Exbert wonders: >The insert of the Butthole Surfers live dbl-CD shows : >a flyer with - Butthole Surfers, Killdozer, Scratch Acid >and Laughying Hyenas Sat May 24 8pm All Ages $8 >at the GrayStone in detroit michigan! (no idea what year) Well, I got to see Killdozer, Die Kuezen, and Laughing Hyenas in Toronto for about $8 canadian many years ago. That was, let's see, probably '86, I think. Maybe early '87. Been a big Hyenas ever since. That was a killer show. Too bad I never got to see Scratch Acid live... speaking of which, did SA ever put out anything aside from the _Berserker_ EP on Touch & Go? Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not grease the monkey bars. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: eric sinclair Subject: Re: best ever show To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 07:52:45 EST > Rob Vaughn laments: > Too > bad I never got to see Scratch Acid live... speaking of which, did SA ever put > out anything aside from the _Berserker_ EP on Touch & Go? > They put out three albums that I know of - Berserker, Just Keep Eating, and a third whose name escapes me. Additionally, the show up on the wondrous "God's Favorite Dog" comp. For my money, the orchestral noise sound perfected by Scratch Acid (and only now copied by such as Rein Sanction and Slint (who may have some of it equalled) is pure godnoise. If anyone has seen any reissues of SA stuff, I'll buy second copies of mine.... Eric -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Watkins Subject: Re: best ever show To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 09:16:43 EDT On Mon, 9 Sep 1991 14:53:57 MDT J.'Doc' Exby said: >a flyer with - Butthole Surfers, Killdozer, Scratch Acid.... speaking of Scratch Acid, anybody have their second album? I have never been able to find it and would would get on my knees in gratitude if somebody has a copy I could dub!! (I have their first...) LeeW. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Scratch Acid, T&G, Minutemen, and life To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 09:26:46 EDT Eric answers: >>did SA ever put >>out anything aside from the _Berserker_ EP on Touch & Go? >They put out three albums that I know of - Berserker, Just Keep Eating, >and a third whose name escapes me. Additionally, the show up on the >wondrous "God's Favorite Dog" comp. Anyone have any idea what label the last two would have been on? I don't ever recall seeing those on any of my Touch & Go catalogs... gotta get that comp. sometime soon as well (so many records, so few buckazoids). By the way, Touch & Go was talking about some sort of reissue/comp./best of/box set thing to celebrate their tenth anniversary this year. Anyone know anything about it? >If anyone has seen any reissues of SA stuff, I'll buy second copies of >mine.... Ah, if you have the originals, perhaps you can answer the above? Someone know if a Minutemen discography exists? I think I'm gonna pick up the SST (rip-off) "Post-Mersh" Vol. 1-3 series since it claims to cover everything they've ever done. I have a couple of singles but that's it. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not Xerox my genitalia. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Watkins Subject: Re: best ever show To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 09:35:04 EDT Rob Vaughn said: >... speaking of which, did SA ever put >out anything aside from the _Berserker_ EP on Touch & Go? > >Rob two full-length pieces of vinyl that I know of, I have the first but I'll have to go home to look at the name...incredible stuff, David Yow is enough to make anybody think twice about glamorizing insanity. LeeW. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Watkins Subject: Re: best ever show To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 09:38:29 EDT On Tue, 10 Sep 1991 07:52:45 EST eric sinclair said: >They put out three albums that I know of - Berserker, Just Keep Eating, >Eric that's it! Just Keep Eating, that's the one at home! Lee -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: mudhoney To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 09:38:24 EDT >And does anyone know anything about what the Original Sins are up to? I've >discovered another album by them but I'm fairly sure I've never seen their name > in any bar ads around here. Do they tour? How much vinyl is available? They just played at my alma mater only a few short months ago. Of course, I didn't go (I don't remember why...), but they were apparently quite good. Sorry to be so brief and lame, but that's what I know. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont When some trendy new atrocity has brought you to your knees, come with us, we'll sail the seas of cheese. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Seattle, Austin and those fuzzy Whigs To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 09:45:49 EDT Some unknown, unsigned Buffalovian sez: >Well, specifically in Seattle, since I'm thinking about packing up and >moving there on a whim. I'm pretty tired of dicking around here in >Austin where nobody seems to like the music I'm interested in. Yip. I wanted to move to Seattle when I graduated college, but within that year it suddenly seemed that *everyone* decided they wanted to as well. Scary thought. I'm sure critical mass will be reached soon and the whole thing will break off and sink into the ocean. :) Actually, the point of this tirade is that I thought Austin has/had one of the cooler music scenes in the States, with a big college population and all that, similar to Athens, Georgia. I know someone whose sister lives there, and she's always brought back good stories from her trips there. I also know some loser from Houston, but that's a story in itself... >Since I'm posting, does anyone know why the CD version and the album >version of Afghan Whigs are different? There are some extra songs >on the CD, but there is one song on the LP that is left off. It annoys >me for some reason. Maybe it's because it's a good song. I have never heard of this. Being the keeper of the SubPop discography, could you take the time out to send me the song titles from the CD? I have the LP but I want to include CD information as well, especially if it's different. What song did they drop? Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- Garlic gum is not funny. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: For Cynics fans To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 09:50:25 EDT Has anyone else out there met Gregg from the Cynics? I've spoken to him a couple of times, and he's a bit goofy. Some of the wonderful topics: - he's got an "evil eye." You know, like the gypsies. Also, a finger of death. He once told a boss of his that he wished he would die. They guy got hit by a car the next day. He did it to someone else, too. Don't cross him, I guess . - the '77 Steelers victory at the Superbowl was a Mafia plot. So were the '78 Yankees. I can't remember how or why. - he's got a "wharehouse" full of rare bootlegs. Everything from Motown to speed metal. "Glenn [Danzig] would kill me if he knew how many Misfits boots I have." He's also got plenty of UFO-Bigfoot-politician related stories, too. Weird. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont When some trendy new atrocity has brought you to your knees, come with us, we'll sail the seas of cheese. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Scratch Acid, T&G, Minutemen, and life To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 10:12:15 EDT > Someone know if a Minutemen discography exists? I think I'm gonna pick up the > SST (rip-off) "Post-Mersh" Vol. 1-3 series since it claims to cover everything > they've ever done. I have a couple of singles but that's it. I've got a pretty good compilation, if that's what you mean; it's called something simple like, "Minutemen '83 - '87" or something like that. Oh, it's called "My First Bells." Anyway, I haven't heard about anything called "Post-mersh," but it sounds groovy. You might want "Double nickels on the dime," or whatever their "vote for your best tunes" album was. And, speaking about SST, those fuckers ripped me off too. Ordered some stuff, didn't have it in stock. Won't send me my money (okay, I lost my returned check and their rain-check, but who cares). Last time I give them my money. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont When some trendy new atrocity has brought you to your knees, come with us, we'll sail the seas of cheese. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gordon Lee Subject: Re: Stuff and things To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 10:32:16 -0400 > From: dougo%SODA.BERKELEY.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu > Subject: Stuff and things > > Speaking of "Neil-influenced", the Blake Babies cover "Over and Over" in > concert (and do a good job of it, too). I'm not sure what to think of this > band; they were quite good in concert, but the two songs I've heard on the > radio were silly pop songs. Anybody heard an album of theirs? I have "Earwig" on Mammoth, and have also seen them live. I like their live performance better than their vinyl. Earwig has a cover of Iggy Pop's "Loose". The lead singer Julianna Hatfield is about as coarse as she can be while still remaining cute. Not quite SubPop material. - GL -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Rench Subject: Re: Minutemen discography To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 09:57:01 CDT Rob Vaughn wrote: > Someone know if a Minutemen discography exists? I think I'm gonna pick up the > SST (rip-off) "Post-Mersh" Vol. 1-3 series since it claims to cover everything > they've ever done. I have a couple of singles but that's it. > Rob There's one on vacs.uwp.edu, but it's really out of date and incomplete. I've been working on one, so if anyone out there with some Minutemen knowledge wants to help out, drop me a line and I'll send you whatI've got so far. The Post-Mersh CDs don't really give you everything. If you buy every SST Minutemen CD, you'll still be missing a few tracks from compilations. Actually, if you only get those 3 CDs, you will miss out on their masterpiece, "Double Nickels on the Dime." Absolutely essential, and a good starting point as well. But I'd recommend getting the vinyl, since they cut a few songs to make it fit on 1 CD. -- drench@buhub.bradley.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: seattle To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 08:05:08 PDT > > Hi, I'm wondering what the music scenes around the country are like. > Well, specifically in Seattle, since I'm thinking about packing up and > moving there on a whim. I'm pretty tired of dicking around here in > Austin where nobody seems to like the music I'm interested in. Hell, Last year I did exactly what you did and haven't regretted it a bit. Last November I quit my job at General Electric in Syracuse, NY, packed everything I owned (and didn't sell) in my pick-up and headed for the great pacific northwest (namely Seattle). I had wanted to move here for a couple years, and my band in Syracuse decided it was time to make a move. I convinced everyone that Seattle was the deal. Then the bass player got accepted for grad school at Berkley, so he crapped out, then our singer got a bitchin job in Miami "that he couldn't pass up", so anyway, the drummer and I came out here anyway. >From a musicians point of view, I think Seattle is great! It get lots of exposure and you dont have to pay to play like you do many times in NY or LA. There are lots of places to play, three new ones since I've moved here, and I seems fairly easy to break in. I know lots of bands that have moved to NY or LA and don't gig for a year or more, and practice space in those places are real expensive too. The calaiber of musicianship here is far better that I was used to in Syracuse, which has been good motivation for me to practice, and there doesn't seem to be that band back stabbing thing with the big attitudes that I was used to. I don't know for sure, because my band is still working up a full set of original material, but these are the impressions I've gotten. As for seeing live music, damn! Two weeks ago I saw Pearl Jam, last weekend I saw Seaweed and Skin Yard, and this Saturday I'm going to see Soundgarden. Not to mention the other great local bands that y'all probably haven't heard of (unsigned). I could go on all day, but I won't. I am at work here! If ya have any questions about Seatlle, don't hesitate to contact me. John haas@intermec.com 535 N. 102nd St. Seattle, WA 98133 (206)781-1304 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: U19807%UICVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: RAMONES! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 10:11:19 CDT > Has anyone seen that Bud Light commercial with the Ramones? > Only seen it once, probably got yanked or something. Nope. It was on last night,actually. Has anybody ever noticed how verrrry carefully they edited "shoot 'em in the back now" out of the portion they're playing on the commercial? -Chris Krolczyk (U19807@UICVM.BITNET) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: U19807%UICVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Rites of Spring and other info To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 10:16:58 CDT > 1) Rites of Spring is, according to my info (100th ish of MRR) > on Dischord or whatever the Fugazi house-label is. Hmmmm.....Dischord is still around? Good. This was one of my favorite labels, once....and it's hard to believe MRR is still around as a publication. Who in the hell _is_ editing it these days? > 2) The Ramones song mentioned is "I wanna be Sedated", and I > do not think that it has a solo on the original. I DID hear > a local bar band do it and the girl I was with wanted to > dance, so her and I tried to do a full pit on an empty dance > floor and the Guitarrist did an *EXTENDED*solo. Talk about > exhausting! He was obviously out to get you,Dave..... >:) -Chris Krolczyk (U19807@UICVM.BITNET) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Seattle, Austin and those fuzzy Whigs To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 11:27:09 EDT > I have never heard of this. Being the keeper of the SubPop discography, could > you take the time out to send me the song titles from the CD? I have the LP > but I want to include CD information as well, especially if it's different. > What song did they drop? Oh shit. I recorded the album, then bought the CD. The disk has at least 2 extra songs on it, one of which is from a single they realeased later ("Hey Cuz"?). I'd bring in my CD tomorrow and type away, but it got permanently borrowed about 4 months ago. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Touch me, I'm sick! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu Subject: primus victims scratch gangrenous testicles To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 10:51:56 CDT From: dougo@SODA.BERKELEY.EDU >> Victims Family a Primus clone??? Eat my shorts, man! I do like Primus, >> but I'd say VF is much more into their own music than anybody's else. >> They do their own *bitching* thang. Their two minute attacks are breath- >> taking - to see 'em is like sitting on an axe. >I was in no way putting them down by saying that their music is like >Primus's. Where are they from, anyway? The Bay area. >If they're from the Bay Area, then you can't say Primus has had no influence >on them. Why? Just because they have some small similarities that most punk/funk bands share? Punk/funk has been around much longer than Primus. Victim's Family has been around since before '87. They've always been a lot more into the thrash side thing of things than Primus. The first VF record was very thrash-y and only somewhat funky in places. Like all funky bands they have to be seen live. Primus are one-trick ponies. The bassist is great but he *is* the band. The guitarist is not very relevant most of the time. The drummer follows the bassist. Victim's Family is the tightest, most vicious punk/funk/thrash band I've seen (and I've seen a lot of the big ones and some of the smaller ones whom you should be looking out for: Royal Crescent Mob 4 times, Tar Babies 3 times, Primus, Hot Glue Gun, Sluggo, Eskimo, Kustom Kar Kommandos...) All three musicians contribute equally. There's more going on to listen to. And I even like Primus, by the way... From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Scratch Acid, T&G, Minutemen, and life >>did SA ever put >>out anything aside from the _Berserker_ EP on Touch & Go? >>They put out three albums that I know of - Berserker, Just Keep Eating, >>and a third whose name escapes me. Additionally, the show up on the >>wondrous "God's Favorite Dog" comp. >Anyone have any idea what label the last two would have been on? Sometimes reading this list is like a nostalgia trip :-). Ok, the first Scratch Acid ep came out on Rabid Cat out of Austin. Completely essential. Gnarly guitar pus and demented visions anchored by supersolid rhythm section that still puts most of today's subpop clones to shame. Just Keep Eating is probably also on Rabid Cat, more of the same, just slightly slicker. And everyone knows about Berserker. My copy of Just Keep Eating has the dubious limited edition cover. Bill, who remembers slamming for the first time at Scratch Acid in '87 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thy BERND! Subject: MINUTEMEN To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 16:52:00 +0100 hi, the 3 post-mershes includes NOT all minutemen-stuff. i could give you a complete DISCOGRAPHY, but not now & here. send me a mail of which tracks you like and which you don't like. MINUTEMEN-stuff is very different. early stuff are short HC-ish songs, late stuff is funk, monotone, experimental, jazz, folk (?) and anti-war-rock! if you want a classic CD buy DOUBLE NICKELS ON THE DIME (2LPs minus 3 songs on 1 CD). if you like the 7"s buy POST-MERSH 3 (includes 3 7" and one LP with live/studio-tracks, warning some tracks are bad recorded). POST MERSH 1 includes the first two LPs and is good too. POST MERSH 2 are 2 mini LPs/LPs with experimental monotone (means 1000s of repeats) stuff (test it!!!). POST MERSHs are no long-players!!! BALLOT RESULT is a 2LP on 1 CD (minus 3 or 4 tracks) with live-tracks (greatest hits compiled by the vote of the fans). the last lp they did was called 3 WAY TIE FOR LAST and includes some outtakes/.../.../etc. i like this record, but hear it first (it's the anti-war rock/folk - thing). bye - thy BERND! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: Stuff and things To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 19:20:57 +0300 From: dougo@SODA.BERKELEY.EDU > Victims Family a Primus clone??? I was in no way putting them down by saying that their music is like Primus's. Regardless, I do like them, and plan on getting an album of theirs (do they have more than one?) ---As far as I know they have three albums (all on Mordam), one 7" and one split 7" with Coffin Break (on Rave recs in US, Konkurrel in Europe). Dunno the label of their 7". The split 7" of theirs is a *extreme must* to get!!! I haven't gotten a better 7" for ages. Only one song by each band, but the quality defenately makes the quantity worthless. Also, the best thing to do if you want to an album of theirs is to buy the CD format of their latest lp, 'White Bread Blues'. It contains also their previous lp ('Things I Hate To Admit') and it's for sale for very reasonable price. Their 1st (?) lp is called 'Voltage & Violets'. A very good lp, too. This all reminds me: if somebody knows of any other material recorded by VF please let me know - better yet if somebody will sell/give 'em to me. I also need the 7" ('Son of A Churchcard' (?)). Please sell it to me!!! 'Nuff stuff, t PS. I've got a whole bunch of stuff for trade (mostly punk/HC). Regular stuff and goodies. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: seattle To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 12:22:51 EDT John Haas sez: >As for seeing live music, damn! Two weeks ago I saw Pearl Jam, last weekend >I saw Seaweed and Skin Yard, and this Saturday I'm going to see Soundgarden. >Not to mention the other great local bands that y'all probably haven't heard >of (unsigned). Let's hear about some of these local unsigned bands. Always looking for new ways to waste my $$$. Show reviews are sometimes fun to read as well. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- Elvis is not my father. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Levasseur Subject: Stuff and things To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 12:29:13 -0400 Doug0 thanks: > Also, thanks for all your album recommendations. My shopping list so far > includes: anything by L7, _Jed_ by the Goo Goo Dolls, _Daydream Nation_ > (et.al.) by Sonic Youth, _Broc's Cabin_ by Rein Sanction (is Rein one syllable or two?), round o thanx to those of you who made me buy Rein Sanction. i found it on disc at newbury comics here in boston. (i love that store). Rein Sanction is cool, but is only about 29 minutes long. if you like dinosaur, and lots of fuzzy guitars, you'll love this. i recommend it to all....prime subpop. BTW, webster sez rein is one syllable.... 1. rein \'ra-n\ n [ME reine, fr. MF rene, fr. (assumed) VL retina, fr. L > before any of these albums? In particular, what would you recommend from > Nirvana or Tad? I'm pretty new to grunge, so all I've got so > far are _Louder than Love_ and _UltraMega Ok_ by Soundgarden, _Goo_ by Sonic Buy all nirvana immediately....that's all. (i.e. bleach, blew ep, dive ep) i heard the new song "smells like teen spirit". the song has a crisp production, but still kicks ass. i hear that both the new nirvana and soundgarden are coming out on sept 24....can't wait. as far as soundgarden, their best stuff can be found on the FOP/Kingdom of Come disc. > Speaking of "Neil-influenced", the Blake Babies cover "Over and Over" in > concert (and do a good job of it, too). I'm not sure what to think of this > band; they were quite good in concert, but the two songs I've heard on the > radio were silly pop songs. Anybody heard an album of theirs? the blake babies are a really cool band around here. i've seen them several times. the bassist/lead vocalist, juliana, works at a used record store called mystery train II on newbury street. (well, at least she did a couple months ago when i saw here there) btw, i'm totally in love with this chick. i bought their new album, sunburn, and it's pretty good. it's sort of like the lemonheads, but a little lighter. this music is not grunge, but nice. juliana has a great voice. try their new EP, (i can't remember the name). it has a cover of severed lips (dinosaur jr) on it, which is cool. if you want to try out the BB's then listen to their debut, earwig... > I had never heard of Social Distortion before "Ball and Chain" and "Story of > my Life", so I thought that's just the kind of band they were. (I like > those songs, too...) What's their old stuff like, punk or grunge or what? i saw them one time. i went to see the screaming trees and SD was the headliner. SD sucks now :'( They were an original california punk band who used to be really cool. My favorite SD is Mommy's Little Monster, and the 1942 single. let me repeat, SD sucks now....(between the times they are applying makeup). Rob requests Afghan Whigs Info: > I have never heard of this. Being the keeper of the SubPop discography, could > you take the time out to send me the song titles from the CD? I have the LP > but I want to include CD information as well, especially if it's different. > What song did they drop? Afghan Whigs- Up In It retarded white trash party hated southpaw amphetamines and coffee hey cuz * you, my flower* son of the south i know your little secret (now we can begin) big top* halloween* sammy is* my town* i am the sticks* key: * the songs on the cd and not on the cassette () the song dropped from the cd i'm not too sure about "halloweensammyismytown". if you have seen AW's album, you know that all of the songs are amalgomated into one word. i'm pretty sure the cd has a total of 14 tracks, but i may be wrong....please correct me. i think i'll shut up now. ronnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnbo |Ronald Levasseur | Internet: ronbo@bucsf.bu.edu | Bitnet: csco2bc@buacca v who you callin' retarded now? -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: primus victims scratch gangrenous testicles To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 19:31:08 +0300 Tell me more about Eskimo, Royal crescent Mob, Tar Babies, Hor Glue Gun, Sluggo and Kustom Kar Kommandos, please...!!! -t -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: moser is REAL cool! Subject: Re: Fugazi To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 09:32:55 PDT It was released last Tues. but some stores may not get it for a week or two. It still hasn't come to Reno, but I'm sure those of you in hipper cities have it. -bob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Levasseur Subject: Minutemen discography To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 12:36:40 -0400 hey, one quicky.. has anyone heard the bootstappers, one of mike watt's side bands. just wondering if it would be worth purchasing... ronnnnnnnnnnnbo |Ronald Levasseur | Internet: ronbo@bucsf.bu.edu | Bitnet: csco2bc@buacca v this ain't no picnic! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu Subject: too much funk and Bootstrappers too To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 12:39:06 CDT From: t Viikari >Tell me more about Eskimo, Royal crescent Mob, Tar Babies, Hor Glue Gun, >Sluggo and Kustom Kar Kommandos, please...!!! Well I vaguely remember mentioning them on the funk list and nm-list... didn't expect so much interest on grunge tho. *None* of these bands are as thrashy as Victim's Family. But they're all interesting in their own ways. Royal Crescent Mob have probably been around longest. They're big Ohio Players fans, and do at least one OP tune. The records suck, live they're too much fun. Fast, somewhat spazzy, that old funk feel speeded up with a punk edge. Tar Babies don't do it for me anymore. I liked their second and third records tho, and they were incredible live around '88-89? Then the lineup changed and they just don't have that kick. Similar to the Mob, but at various times have been more garage-y and/or jazzy (because of that great bass player they used to have). Eskimo is from the Bay area too. (Look, there are several great punk/funk bands from the Bay area, so just because somebody is from the Bay area and plays punk/funk doesn't mean he's influenced by Primus, ok?) They have one record out which is supposed to suck. They were *great* live when I saw them in Oakland at No Theatre. Guitar/bass/drums with horns and marimba, all fine musicians. The jazz-iest of the bands I mentioned, but *funky*. Kinda like a superfunky Jazz Passengers. Great songs, interesting arrangements, just enough of an edge. Energetic in their own way, but not thrash/hardcore. Yow. Sluggo is another Bay area band, guitar/bass/drums. They're HOT. Roughshod powerhouse funk that just didn't let up at their set last summer at Oasis. Matches Victim's Family on live energy levels, but they always keep the funk in mind, and don't slip into straight thrash like VF. Sign this band. Steal their rhythm section (guitarist is solid too but the bass and drums are great). Sluggo with horns is called Squid; their demo tape is nice. Hot Glue Gun is from Champaign (right here). They're in the mode of the slightly older punk/funk bands (the Mob, Tar Babies), a little lighter and fun. They love to throw in heavy metal and ska breaks. Kustom Kar Kommandos has been making the midwest music conference circuit. I last saw them in '89, and I'm sure they've improved since then :-). Actually they were a lot of fun in '89, obviously big Beastie Boys fans but with a couple nice funk tunes. There's also Poopshovel from Madison, who had a couple *great* funky cuts on a compilation, and a very unfunky record. And the Cocktail Girlz from Atlanta, with a nice first record (in the Mob mode, energetic). And don't forget the granddaddies of power jazz funk, Joseph Bowie's Defunkt. I'm sure there's lots more... From: Ronald Levasseur >has anyone heard the bootstappers, one of mike watt's side bands. >just wondering if it would be worth purchasing... Yes. Yes. Bill p.s. --- Bootstrappers features avant-rock guitarist Elliot Sharp who also does sampling. Sharp has done some incredible funky stuff that I'm just dying to throw on at a club sometime. Bootstrappers is more high-tech than Mike Watt's other projects, but great stuff. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Old and In The Way To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 13:40:28 EDT Willy Tsun-Yuk Hsu sez: > Sometimes reading this list is like a nostalgia trip :-). > Bill, who remembers slamming for the first time at Scratch Acid in '87 Watch it, sonny boy. You're showing your age. ;) Ron "Slammed To Black Flag In '81 And Still Remembers Pogoing" Rader (boy, the longer I stay on this list the more crotchety I sound) -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Stuff and things To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 15:09:46 EDT Ronald barooms: >as far as soundgarden, their best stuff can be found on the FOP/Kingdom of >Come disc. I would have to agree. The _Screaming Life_ EP is also excellent. Anyone know the SP catalog number for the FOPP/Kingdom of Come EP? Please? Vinyl and CD if you could. >Afghan Whigs- Up In It >i'm not too sure about "halloweensammyismytown". if you have seen >AW's album, you know that all of the songs are amalgomated into one >word. i'm pretty sure the cd has a total of 14 tracks, but i may >be wrong....please correct me. Thanks for all the good poop. I'll check the names and let you know. The LP has regulation "real word" song titles so this shouldn't be too tough. Did y'all know that _Up In It_ is actually their second album? Greg Dulli (lead singer) said in a letter that it really isn't all that wonderful. Don't know him personally but he did take the time to write back when the cable went dead on his TV. I can dredge up the title and label if anyone's interested. "Sister, I'm your brother now, Be your hog, you'll be my sow, I'm your brother now..." Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not put wet bubblegum in my shorts. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: seattle locs To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 13:59:38 PDT > > Let's hear about some of these local unsigned bands. Always looking for new > ways to waste my $$$. Show reviews are sometimes fun to read as well. > Ok. Ok. I'll periodically post reviews of some local seattle bands as I see 'em so they'll be fresh in my hed, and I'll try to do a review of the Sound- garden show this weekend. Wow, this means I have responsibility. I better pay attention, huh! Anyway, someone asked for more info about "My Sister's Machine", a band I mentioned in the past. I like this band a lot! I have a 5 song cassette that they recorded back in Jan. 1990, and I read an article a few months back about how they had signed a publishing deal, and a deal with caroline was all but signed, but someones mother died.. I dont remember exactly. I am going to see these guys this friday, so I'll ask the singer, Nick, whassup? Of course I'll relay it to ya. They are playing with a band from Portland called Love on Ice. They are on interscope and have a track on the Bill and Ted's soundtrack. They are real rock and roll, but I still like to watch 'em cause the guitar player is good. I saw a band for the first time a few weeks back called Love Battery. It was good psychodelic grunge, but not real heavy. I think I would buy something by them, but I'll buy anything. The singer said they had something coming out on Subpop "real soon", but thats all I've heard. John -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: Fugazi To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 14:03:16 PDT > > It was released last Tues. but some stores may not get it for > a week or two. It still hasn't come to Reno, but I'm sure those > of you in hipper cities have it. > This reminds me, I asked a record store dude about rites of spring yesterday, and he said that there was going to be a RoS CD release concurrent with the release of the new Fugazi, he said they'd have it in about a week. john -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: The Incredible Lance Diamond! To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Tue, 10 Sep 91 17:09:33 EDT > Ya Jon, I gotta Goo question for ya. Besides being a legendary lounge > singer, (i think the liner notes said that) who is Lance Diamond, what > is his connection with the Gooz, and why do they keep puttin him on the > records as guest vocalist? > > Maybe I'm missin something, but those two tracks have probably been my > least favorite Goo Goo Dolls tracks. > Well, to begin with I have known Lace for years. He was a security gaurd in my high school, known as another name (Hint hint, it's a stage name. I didn't know him that well at my highschool, but he knew of me from those days when I saw him with the Goos. I think he is great! It is the Goos way of doing the lounge thing. They love it, the locals love it. Lance does perform with his own band. For a while he used to perform 3 times a week a half a block from my old apartment. I used to stop in and see him. I used to get a charge out of his waving to me as he sang to a bunch of 40 year old guido couples. 8) If I get energetic, I'll tell y'all about "Adam von Zipper and the Pig" (The Goos with there ex-roadie Adam, on lead vocals) They called it their metal band. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Re: badmotorfinger To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Tue, 10 Sep 91 17:11:53 EDT > I don't know if this is news, but a friend of mine is sending > me an advance copy of badmotorfinger. His first comment was > that it sounds a bit like Foreigner. As far as he can tell, > the new version of '1000 miles wide is simply the same song > with additional vocals tacked on. > > "Some parts suck, but some are still quite good," to quote. > But I herd it was amazing and more upbeat the "Louder than love", go figure. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Chapterhouse Tour Dates To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 17:25:49 EDT Here's the latest Chapterhouse tour dates. I really like this band, although their sound isn't the most original. 9/9 Long Veach, CA Bogarts 213-594-8977 9/11 Los Angeles, CA Whiskey 818-708-8855 9/13 Phoenix, AZ KUKQ Festival 602-437-4403 9/15 Chicago, IL Cabaret Metro 312-266-6262 9/17 Toronto, ON Lee's Palace 416-324-9777 9/18 Washington, DC 9:30 Club 202-363-5277 ^^^^^^^^^ Small, clean, nice, cheap! 9/21 New York, NY Danceteria 212-683-1046 9/22 Hoboken, NJ Maxwell's 201-656-9632 Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Re: seattle To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Tue, 10 Sep 91 17:52:28 EDT > Let's hear about some of these local unsigned bands. Always looking for new > ways to waste my $$$. Show reviews are sometimes fun to read as well. > Everyone always tyalks about these cool unsigned bands and such. What does everyone think about getting a song off of these people and create a GRUNGE-L compilation? If our german friend is into it, we could do it on his label. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: love Subject: Re: Chapterhouse Tour Dates To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 16:19:59 PDT > Here's the latest Chapterhouse tour dates. I really like this band, > although their sound isn't the most original. I *might* be interviewing thes guys tomorrow in LA. Does anyone have any nagging questions to ask them (I do). -d -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: seattle locs To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 17:26:32 -0600 Love Battery's "Between the Eyes" 7" is quite possibly the best thing SubPop has ever released (with the exception of everything they've done by the Walkabouts and Beat Happening). It came out a couple years ago, and you can probably expect to pay collectorscum prices. "Between the Eyes" is on the *Grunge Years* compilation. Both sides of the single are also on a 7-song EP on Tupelo which is damn good, but not as good as just the single. soren :d -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Occupant Subject: Re: too much funk and Bootstrappers too: Re To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 18:57:48 CDT Wow, ending a subject line with the same word it started with. I am impressed >Royal Crescent Mob have probably been around longest. They're big Ohio >Players fans,and do at least one OP tune. The records suck, live they're >too much fun. Fast, somewhat spazzy, that old funk feel speeded up witha >punk edge. Funny, I got their first album (free from the College station in Vegas, where I was living at the time) and I thought that it rocked. It's like Yoakam. I have and love Dwight Yoakam's _Buenos Noches from a Lonely Room_. True, little if any grunge content, but one cannot live by grunge alone. A country friend recently told me that _Buenos..._ is his worst album. The rest of the albums must be amazing. RMC must raise the dead onstage! Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "I won't be hold the bag, Choo-Choo Charley when the Corporation Enema comes down" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: Es Pee E Si Tee To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 17:51:53 PDT > > Hey! I remember hearing about your band. Someone said that a Syracuse band > played a goo goo dolls cover at the Continental! 8) Small world! > And they didn't follow that up with "... and boy did they butcher it!"? C'mon, I can take it! :) Its kinda funny, the only hard part about that song (outta sight - Jed) is getting the ending tight. So we practiced it over and over til we could get it right every time, and we did when it counted. Then when I finally got to see the Goo Goo Dolls live they cheated and did a different, easier ending! Wimps!! Oh well, just an aside. John -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STOLTZ PETER Subject: stuff, stuff, stuff To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 19:39:55 -0600 Well, on Chip's hardy reccomendation I bought The Cynics, _Rock & Roll_ today. And so far I am very impressed!! Thanks for the clue-in, man. Other purchases were Loop, _Fade Out_ which is very good. The song on the second side (yes, I still buy vinyl) called "Pulse" is just awesome. Also picked up Jesus and Mary Chain, _Automatic_. Now, i know Exby will give me shit about this TOO, but I like it. As a matter of fact I like it quite a bit. A lot more edgy and fast than Darklands. Sure, some of the tracks are pop garbage, like that "Here Comes Alice" thing. But stuff like "Gimme Hell" just rocks. As grungy as anything on Subpar. (Let the flame-fest begin!) By the way, I realize this review of _Automatic_ is 2 years too late. One bit of info since Scratch Acid seems to be a popular topic right now. Brett (or Brent) Bradford from Scratch Acid is now in graduate school in Fort Collins, Colorado at Colorado State University and is in a pretty cool band called Great Caeser's Ghost. I don't think they have any CDs or vinyl out, but keep a look out for them. I know they did a small tour of Montana, Washington, California earlier this year. Last of all, I am going to be in the Bay Area Oct 16-20. Is there any "don't miss" happenings anyone knows about. See ya- Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Re: Es Pee E Si Tee To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Tue, 10 Sep 91 22:39:00 EDT > And they didn't follow that up with "... and boy did they butcher it!"? > C'mon, I can take it! :) > Actually, I think I herd it "a good cover of a goo goo dolls song..." But don't quote me. That what I think I remember. And no I am not saying it because you paid for an hour long phone call at 10.88 cents per minute (Actually I don't remember if I said that, but in my more alert state, I think it is 10.83 cents per minute. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Jarvinen Subject: another mudhoney memory To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 19:52:52 EDT This just came to me - before Mudhoney came on stage the other night they (or maybe the club did it, come to think of it, but I doubt it) played a bit from some anti-drug recording that was pretty funny. "After the user tries MARIJUANA, they are quite likely to proceed on to the use of LYSERGIC ACID DIEYTHLwhatever." Some in the crowd cheered, most stood around with a 'huh?' look. I've always wanted to find one of these recordings; Big Chief uses bits of one at their shows too. Has Rhino or any label like that ever re-issued such a drug-scare type record from the 60s? -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: woj%REMUS.RUTGERS.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: anti-drug recordings To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 23:58:58 EDT for those of you in the jersey area (specifically, around newark or so), the opening sound collage for the hip bone radio show (fridays at 7pm) on wfmu (91.1 fm out of e.orange) has that exact anti-drug recording that brain mentioned. maybe i'll call him up this week and find out where he got it from... woj@remus.rutgers.edu - smou/dj-for-hire - hooked on phonics and sonics... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: woj%REMUS.RUTGERS.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: nirvana @ new york To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1991 00:01:20 EDT just saw the listing today: 9/27 at the marquee in the big apple. any other grungers around the tri-state area? does rob the sp-weenie wanna drive to the city? woj -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TCREVIER%HMCVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Fugazi in Cali To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1991 22:42:00 PDT Well, I caught two of the Fugazi dates in southern cali. I saw them last thursday in Santa Barbara. I was sort of delirious with the flu, but it seemed like the band was not totally into the show. The stage was kinda small and they played a very short set. Saturday they were to play in San Diego, but we found out after driving 2+ hours that the show had been canceled due to the promoters not getting all of the permits (we were told this by some cops, and by a flyer at the place) Sunday they played before 4000+ at the sold out Hollywood Palladium. This was apparently (according to the band) the biggest Fugazi show ever. The opening band was 411 (recently in MRR) with the vocalist from Carry Nation and No For An Answer. They played a short but good set. I picked up their new CD (This isn't Me), and it is pretty cool. Basic melodic punk with a message (much toned down from CN and NFAA) Next was the Offspring. I was selling shirts for the Offspring during their set, so all I can say is that they are normally great ( ;-) ) Their new single Bagdad is out on Nemsis, check it out, it is good. Finally Fugazi came on. I was onstage (care of the backstage pass from the Offspring) and had a great view. They played a great set of old and new material. They seemed a little distant from the crowd (they didn't really interact with the crwod much) and the show was sort of uneventful, if you don't count the fact that Fugazi played. The most interesting part was selling shirts and hearing hundreds of people asking where the Fugazi shirts were being sold. Oh well, see them if you get a chance, but you probably already knew that. Tom -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Renee Hawkins Subject: Fugazi To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 17:30:51 -0700 I find it rather interesting that that Fugazi show was cancelled because of a lack of permits. Last year, May 30, 1990, I saw them in Bellingham WA and before the show even started the cops came. They were playing in this basement in some alley and the cops came with dogs and blocked off the alley. They said they didn't have the correct permits and the show was going to have to be shut down. Someone came up with the permits and eventually they got to play. It turned out to be a really great show because it was such an intense situation. It seems cops would find a new excuse. Anyway, I tried to catch them on August 24th in Olympia but I didn't get tickets in advance and so I waited for an hour and didn't get in. I hear that show was really intense and people started crying(I don't know I didn't see it). I saw them August 26th in Seattle and I have noticed that they don't get into it as much at bigger shows. This show was really strange because in Seattle there is a problem with finding places to play since there are very few surviving all ages clubs and if you are under age you can't come near a bar. So since none of the all ages clubs are large enough for Fugazi they played at this psychadelic dance club full of mirrors and strobe lights. Water cost $1.50. Somehow that seemed very anti-Fugazi. It was a good show just because it was Fugazi however I think the atmosphere affected the band. Speaking of Fugazi, I have this tape I got from Joe Lally of them playing in France a while back. Guy starts rattling off in French, it's pretty nifty. If anyone would like a copy let me know, if you send me a tape and postage I'll tape it for you. -Renee(noelle@u.washington.edu) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: stuff, stuff, stuff To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1991 09:02:31 EDT Peter da Great gaffaws: >Also picked up Jesus and Mary Chain, _Automatic_. Now, i know Exby will >give me shit about this TOO, but I like it. As a matter of fact I like >it quite a bit. A lot more edgy and fast than Darklands. Sure, some of >the tracks are pop garbage, like that "Here Comes Alice" thing. But >stuff like "Gimme Hell" just rocks. I second this one. Anyone who wrote them off after _Darklands_ doesn't know what they're missing. They were absolutely *huge* live, and much more popular than I thought they could be (I swear I was the only person in line for the show not wearing all-black). Anyway, they have a more recent EP called _Rollercoaster_ that's somewhat difficult to find. It's got some slower stuff ala _Darklands_ but much cruncher, and overall it's as good a release as _Automatic_. Import only, I believe. >As grungy as anything on Subpar. (Let the flame-fest begin!) Harumph! I would say "as *good* as anything on SubPoop, but not as grungy. Even _Psychocandy_ can't compare to Rein Sanction. And there's a Godflesh 7" coming out from SP any year now... Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not cut corners. " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: seattle locs To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1991 09:19:18 EDT > They are playing with a > band from Portland called Love on Ice. They are on interscope and have a > track on the Bill and Ted's soundtrack. They are real rock and roll, but I > still like to watch 'em cause the guitar player is good. Hey! My girlfriend's brother played bass with/for these guys. He lives in Seattle and apparently the distance between there and Portland was too much to allow him to remain as permanent member. I've got a 5-song demo they did and I like it; not quite grungy, a bit like Jane's, a bit like Mother Love Bone. Apparently, Interscope isn't too psyched with them because of their lack of responsibility. If anyone should find themselves interested in this band, let me know. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Touch me, I'm sick! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PA114309%UTKVM1.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1991 11:16:20 LCL first time listuser here any KILLING JOKE affinities out there?! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: your mail To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1991 11:55:16 EDT >first time listuser here any KILLING JOKE affinities out there?! Well, I really wouldn't consider KJ to be grungy at all, at least not in the rock-oriented sense, but I like 'em a lot so... Their first album (_Killing Joke_, how original) is a classic, and their second, _What's This For?_ is also very good. All of their albums are on the now-demised EKG (or something like that) label. Their third album, _Revelations_ was kinda blah, and all the subsequent ones really sucked, especially _Brighter Than 1000 Suns_, which I would nominate as one of the worst LPs of all time. Their newest, which I haven't bought, is more of a return to old sound (with original cast members, as it where) but I still thought it lacked the punch of old Killing Joke. They owe Metallica a big favor for bringing them to people's attention again, I think. Jaz and Jordie are known for going off on these weird tangents and treks and all that. Very new age fadish, from what I gather. Jordie is without a doubt one of the best dressed people in rock today (seriously). They are one of the best live bands I've ever seen, truly killer, even if their most recent material blows. The shows are pretty expensive, but they are one of the few bands I would see anywhere at any price if it was convenient. Chief Long-wind, Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not pledge allegiance to Bart. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat Padua Subject: trading tapes, anyone? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1991 18:00:29 EDT I don't mean to cheat anybody out of royalties, but I do want to get a taste of some of these bands before I shell out the dough. Is anyone interested in sending me a grunge comp? My own collection isn't xactly chock-full-o-new-grunge, but I have a lot of vintage UK punk (X-ray Spx, Buzzcox, ETC), vintage Dischord stuff (pre-Fugazi), and pretty much something in just about any other genre anybody would care to listen to, and probably one or two genres nobody would give a shit about excpt me. How about it? Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Killing Joke To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Wed, 11 Sep 91 21:50:07 EDT > Their newest, which I haven't bought, is more of a > return to old sound (with original cast members, as it where) but I still > thought it lacked the punch of old Killing Joke. They owe Metallica a big > favor for bringing them to people's attention again, I think. > Rob, You are right on so often it really sadens me to see you this far off on the new Killing Joke. Listen to it again. Jon -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PA114309%UTKVM1.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1991 19:18:47 LCL 2.killing joke addendum: electric net ate my message, now, a recapitulati on. yes, i like the new kj's '"dirt, extremeties and various repressed emotion s" lp. esp. tracks age of greed, beautiful dead, and inside the termite mound, good ole kafka-angst illuminoid rock. personal grunge live experiences here at hometown would be GWAR ,which i saw last year, and they know what to do with fo am rubber. also, radio between stations with a beat box playing thruu an echopl ex is good grunge, with internal humming for your own changes. also psychic tv' s lp new york scum haters and live in berlin atonal discs are quantum frop"slab audio./attack, which, i find peculiar as to my great need for such material, b ut the search is on for the grunge with the flav that savs. this message to the basic net, still figuring out how to properly tweek the bits in this box. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cecilia M Tan Subject: Chapterhouse Tour Dates To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1991 19:16:49 -0400 Chapterhouse is also doing the WFNX 8th Birthday Bash show, on Landsdowne STreet in Boston. I think it's Monday the 23rrd? (not sure, I've been trying to ignore it...) -ctan -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dougo%SODA.BERKELEY.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1991 18:37:14 -0700 > Eskimo is from the Bay area too. (Look, there are several great punk/funk > bands from the Bay area, so just because somebody is from the Bay area > and plays punk/funk doesn't mean he's influenced by Primus, ok?) Okay, okay, okay! I'm very sorry. For some reason I got the impression that Victim's Family was a new band. I will repent and run out and get every album they ever did, as soon as I find some money (anybody wanna send me some?) Anyway, please keep sending me your "favorite grunge album" recommendations! -- DougO -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dougo%SODA.BERKELEY.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: your mail To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1991 19:01:57 -0700 > >first time listuser here any KILLING JOKE affinities out there?! > > Well, I really wouldn't consider KJ to be grungy at all, at least not in the > rock-oriented sense, but I like 'em a lot so... > [...] Their newest, which I haven't bought, is more of a > return to old sound (with original cast members, as it where) but I still > thought it lacked the punch of old Killing Joke. They owe Metallica a big > favor for bringing them to people's attention again, I think. I have their newest one, _Extremities, Dirt, and Various Repressed Emotions_, and love it. I think it's quite grungy, but what do I know? Maybe it's more industrial. I haven't heard enough of old KJ to compare, but I think the album stands on its own merits. I was introduced to them by their video for "Money is not our God" (a killer video, I might add). I didn't realize that one of the songs on _Garage Days Re-revisited_ was a Killing Joke cover (forget which one...) until long after I had bought the album. Funny, I remember the day I bought the album. I had a gift certificate for some CD store, so I bought 4 CD's: this one, NIN's _Pretty Hate Machine_, SY's _Goo_, and Genesis' _Selling England by the Pound_. (One of these things is not like the others...) Now after 1000's of listens, these are four of my favorites! I guess some days you just get lucky. Fish on, DougO -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: Well, you asked....you get what you pay for? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1991 00:12:09 EDT DougO solicits: > Anyway, please keep sending me your "favorite grunge album" recommendations! Well, I ain't the grunge pundit Rob-ot (I can call him that cuz I know what a computer geek he is) is, i.e. I still don't own a copy of _Bleach_ yet (it hurts not to, believe me), but I know that Killdozer's CD _Twelve Point Buck/Little Baby Buntin'_ (Touch and Go) will forever be a favorite album (not just "grunge album," either!) of mine. It's just sooooo stupid and funny ("another film by IRWIN ALLEN.....it was AWEsome! ....But Chuck Heston was just a ham....") and disgustin', like grunge oughtta be. And the music moves my bowels. Just super. Can't wait to get more ('specially since Rob is exacting revenge on me by playing things like their "Burl" ep for me). But seriously, this disc should be in the collection of anyone who is "earnest" about grunge, IMHO. Other favorites: Mudhoney _Superfuzz Bigmuff_, Scratch Acid ('course!), Jesus Lizard, Arsenal, God Bullies, well the list goes on in no particular order, although I will say it makes me all creamy-and-dreamy to hear those Brady Bunch samples on the first Steel Pole Bathtub disc (Yow! 'Nuther essential release!). Oh, and the Melvins' _Ozma_ CD (which includes the first LP whose name slips my use- less mind at the moment) is sure to be a HEAVY rotation piece of plastic. (I just can't get Subterranean's description of them as "the heaviest band on Earth" outta my head! Somebody's gonna gag me soon!) Muffmuffmuff-------------Eric Avera avera@astrosun.TN.cornell.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: GWAR (Re: PAblahblahblah's comments) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1991 00:28:03 EDT I still don't understand why they call GWAR metal....it just doesn't evoke that for me. (They're pretty good at evokin' stuff like vomit, though.) I really, REALLY had a good time when I saw GWAR in Houston. It helped that I got to see 'em free with a good friend (Bliss [singer for Pain Teens] who used to and probably still does double as local goddess at Sound Exchange [THE record store to shop at in Houston ';) ] gave us a pair of complimentary tickets cuz' we were regularly spending lots of money there, I guess). Anyway, talk about lot of body fluids flying at a show! At least these were primarily imitations (I hope), as opposed to the real McCoys you might see at gg allin.. ...but I digress. Yes, the entire GWAR cast was there: Sexecutioner, etc. (there goes my memory again). And they decapitated papier-ma^che' this-and- that's, had a mock-up dog ejaculate on the audience, you know, the usual. Blood squirting out periodically. My friend and I remained discreetly (and, yes, wimpily) at the back, but still enjoyed all the mayhem. Lots of moshing, of course. So to recap, there was blood, sweat, semen, and chainsaws flying all over the place. Lots and lots of fun. See them if you get a chance, be- fore they get corrupt-ified beyond recognition. Oooh, _Scumdogs of the Uni- verse_ was produced by that very outre' Alien J., so who knows, loss of origi- nality may not be far behind. Not to mention they completely left Shimmy Disc for the majors. :'( But ya never know. I'm eagerly awaiting the appearance of some of their GWAR comix in the first ish of Deadline U.S.A. (Dark Horse), the states version of the mag that brought you Tank Girl and Johnny Nemo.... (people are going to kill me for continuing to bring up comix on music lists..........) Eric Avera avera@astrosun.TN.cornell.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Timothy R. Williams" Subject: Pearl Jam? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1991 06:25:54 TZONE Hey y'all, Haven't posted anything since last May so thought I'd get back into things and ask about Pearl Jam. I saw an ad in Rockpool for them and it said they had members of Green River and Mother Love Bone (one of my faves), so if anybody wants to give me their story, go ahead... Thanks, Tim Hogbitch tw1o+@andrew.cmu.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thy BERND! Subject: RE: Killing Joke To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1991 09:26:00 +0100 > first time listuser here any KILLING JOKE affinities out there?! hi, i don't know what the above shit means (we speak originally german here), but i like KJ a lot and own almost all (Nervous System 12", Requiem 12", ..., Into The Bumsrush Boot LP (Peel Sessions, etc.)). btB! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PA114309%UTKVM1.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1991 11:57:37 LCL 3.--ya! they scratch the itch dont they, killing joke faves of mine: a. complication -first lp b. unspeakable- whats this for lp b.5-plus money/greed/dead/termite c new man -from fire dances lp from the e,d and vpe lp. d.the hum -revelations lp e. new day 12" f. tune off of nighttime cant remember title starts with keyboard g. remix of birdsof a feather h. here come the pansies- revelations lp i. this list changes contents like the tide so what happened to the big drummer and busy/but tasteful bass player they dum ped? anyone know about the import album called outside the gate or something l ike that? and what titles/availability ? same as e,d. and vpe? From GANGLIA . hey is johnny thunders grunge?(the late thunders) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: What came first: the band or the comic? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1991 09:01:47 EDT Killing Jokesters, DougO blurbs: >I have their newest one, _Extremities, Dirt, and Various Repressed >Emotions_, and love it. I think it's quite grungy, but what do I know? >Maybe it's more industrial. I haven't heard enough of old KJ to compare, >but I think the album stands on its own merits. It's a very good album, much much better than anything they've done in their most recent years. If you like it, you should definitely get their first album which is a major classic and is even better than the new one. >video, I might add). I didn't realize that one of the songs on _Garage Days >Re-revisited_ was a Killing Joke cover (forget which one...) until long That's "The Wait" off the first album, first song second side. Great cover as well. Rockin' Jonster pops me one : >> Their newest, which I haven't bought, is more of a >> return to old sound (with original cast members, as it where) but I still >> thought it lacked the punch of old Killing Joke. They owe Metallica a big >> favor for bringing them to people's attention again, I think. > You are right on so often it really sadens me to see you this far off >on the new Killing Joke. Listen to it again. A clarification perhaps: I think the new one is a very good album, especially compared to things like _...1000 Suns_ but it still doesn't quite stand up to their first. I'd definitely recommend it, but only after you get the original, know what I mean? Besides, I'm right all the time! :) monsieur anonymouse sez: >s" lp. esp. tracks age of greed, beautiful dead, and inside the termite mound, >good ole kafka-angst illuminoid rock. A most excellent way to describe their sound. Rob P.S. I know the band came long before the Joker comic and I think they are unrelated except in title. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: Pearl Jam? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1991 08:26:09 PDT > Haven't posted anything since last May so thought I'd get back into > things and ask about Pearl Jam. I saw an ad in Rockpool for them and it > said they had members of Green River and Mother Love Bone (one of my > faves), so if anybody wants to give me their story, go ahead... > OK, well I'll tell you as much as I know. I like Pearl Jam a lot, I've seen them about 8 or 10 times now, and they seem to get better each time. Bass player Jeff Ammett and rhythm guitar player Stone Gossard (who wrote most of the music on Ten) were also in Mother Love Bone, and they were also in Green River with Mark Arm, vocal stylist for Mudhoney. Jeff, Stone and Mike McCready (sp?), the lead guitar player, are in Temple of the Dog with Chris Cornell and Matt Cameron (or is it Kurt Cameron?) from Soundgarden. Kurt Cameron used to be in Skin Yard with Jack Endino - grunge producer extroidenaire (I know, my spelling is lame). The lead singer of Skin Yard is also in another grunge band Gruntruck. It should be noted that the drummer on the Pearl Jam disc Ten has been replaced. My roomate, a drummer, says the new drummer is MUCH better, I agree. I saw Pearl Jam at what I believe was their first performance last December 21st opening for Alice in Chains. They went under the name Mookie Blaylock for the first few performances which I think is the name of some basketball playing dude for the Nicks maybe? There's quite a big tree here in this town, and I'm sure it goes much farther than this, but this is all I can remember at this time. John haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Re: GWAR (Re: PAblahblahblah's comments) To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Thu, 12 Sep 91 17:27:41 EDT > Not to mention they completely left Shimmy Disc > for the majors. :'( But ya never know. > Excuse me but they are on Metal Blade and signed with MB *before* MB was sold to Warner Brothers. So, I doubt it was a move to become big. Also they only did one album with shimmydisc because Kramer only wanted to do one. For what reason I don't know. This information comes from Odorus and Kramer. Incedentally, I am wearing my "European Tour 90" Gwar tee shirt today. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: Fugazi To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1991 15:16:33 -0600 > Anyway, I tried to catch them on August 24th in >Olympia but I didn't get tickets in advance and so >I waited for an hour and didn't get in. I hear >that show was really intense and people started >crying(I don't know I didn't see it). I was there. It was genuinely and literally awe-inspiring. The song that had everyone in tears was the song they do about date-rape on *13 Songs* (sorry, I can never remember their song titles). Mckaye did some of his spiel about rape. He had a girl from the audience come up and sing some of the song (which she did very well, after some initial hesitation). He got so choked up that he could barely whisper the last part of the song. When the band was finished, he couldn't/ didn't move for a looong time afterwards. Re-reading the preceding paragraph, I realize that it may sound hokey in a bargain-basement-U2/James Brown sort of way. I assure you that it wasn't. I, and I think everyone who was there, was genuinely and truly moved. I don't think I have ever been to a "punk" show where the audience was absolutely silent, but they were right then. (Of course, when they went into the next song, the pit simply exploded.) This evening was a real high point in 7-8 years of intensive show-going. (The other four bands on the bill were also fucking amazing. Some Velvet Sidewalk still sound like early Jonathon Richman in an acid bath--painful and beautiful. L7 are goddesslike-- I'd managed to avoid them for ages because someone told me they were "heavy metal"--don't make my mistake. High Performance are a Seattle area rap group--not real serious, and heavy on the performance side--tight raps, and massive acrobatics.) >I saw them >August 26th in Seattle and I have noticed that they >don't get into it as much at bigger shows. If I remember the fliers, Beat Happening and Nation of Ulysses opened that show. How were they? Beat Happening are always way cool (even though Calvin had very obviously had no sleep for days when they played the Convention), and Nation of Ulysses were the Surprise Hit of the Convention, judging by the quantity of merchandise they moved after their set. soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Garage/Grunge/Gods To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1991 15:47:57 -0600 I'm trying to put together a complete discography for the Mono Men, Bellingham, WA's best band ever. This is what I know about: "Burning Bush"/"Rat Fink" 7" (Estrus) "I Don't Care"/"Jezebel" 7" (Estrus) *Stop Dragin' Me Down* LP/Cass/CD (Estrus) [The CD has three extra tracks] "Daylight" on *On the Rocks* 7" compilation (Estrus) [It's one of the bonus tracks on the CD, so you don't need the single except that the other two tracks are pretty cool] "Psycho" on *Here Ain't the Sonics!!!* (Estrus/Pop-Llama) [A tribute album to one of the original punk/grunge bands, also featuring Screaming Trees, Thee Headcoats, the Cynics, the Original Sins, Girl Trouble, et al. Highly recommended!] "Hang Up" on *The Estrus Lunch Bucket* CD compilation (Estrus) [limited edition CD with a whole bunch of the same bands as *Here Ain't the Sonics!!!*. Recommended.] A song on the *Estrus Half-Rack* 3 x 7" compilation (Estrus) [The title escapes me. People on GRUNGE-L need this because it has a Mudhoney track. Otherwise, it features more of the usual suspects.] For Seattle folks: Are they good live? They sound like they ought to be awesome. And for everyone: Has anyone dealt with Estrus mail-order? Joined the Estrus Crust singles club? soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: s045%BREMS.II.UIB.NO@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: MUDHONEY & SONIC YOUTH To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 09:51:51 +0200 Well, being from Norway, all this American chit-chat about stagediving, moshing and slamming seems quite unfamiliar to me. I'm interested in hearing your opinions on a few bands that I've been introduced to lately. I've recently bought these recs: Mudhoney - Every good boy deserves fudge (LP SubPop) Mudhoney - You're gone (12" SubPop) Mudhoney/Sonic Youth - Touch me I'm sick b/w Halloween (12" licensed from SubPop to Glitterhouse) Sonic Youth - Goo (LP Geffen) I'm sure these recs. are well-known to you (Ecxept the last Mudhoney LP), but to me they're new and damn interesting. Now I wonder what the other Sonic Youth recs are like (e.g. Sister, EVOL etc.). Also, I'm dead curious about the first Mudhoney LP, as I regard their second LP eponymous. OYVIND -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Rosenberg Subject: Smashing Pumpkins & Lemonheads To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 09:46:14 TZONE Last night on the way home from work I heard songs from 2 groups I've never heard before. The songs were great & I wanted opinions as to whether the groups were really as good as these songs indicated. Also, whether anything by them is available on CD. All comments appreciated. The 1st group was "Smashing Pumpkins". I've now forgetten what the song was, but it had me thumping my steering wheel & generally making a fool of myself on the freeway. Anyone heard of them? The 2nd group was the "Lemonheads". I could have sworn I'd heard of them before & didn't think much of them (maybe I'm thinking of the "Mighty Lemon Drops"?). But, I heard a song called something like "Never End" or "This Never Has to End". What a great fucking song. It has to be the best new song I've heard in years. Anyone know anything about these guys? JR -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PA114309%UTKVM1.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 11:13:40 LCL my endnote on killing joke, i think the name comes from an english expression i heard someone say it in an old english film (70's to 80's), 'that's the killing joke". something mark twain would say to his mistress when he ran out of cigars i imagine. ganglia. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Milquetoast Subject: Re: MUDHONEY & SONIC YOUTH To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 13:55:41 +0200 > Sonic Youth - Goo (LP Geffen) > > Now I wonder what the other > Sonic Youth recs are like (e.g. Sister, EVOL etc.). Sonic Youth have got more accessible the longer they've been together. Daydream Nation is in a similar style to Goo, but most of the stuff before that was a bit more `arty'. I quite like EVOL, but its the kind of LP you need to pick and choose which bits you want to hear. The stuff they did earlier is even more obscure. Confusion Is Sex I find almost completely unlistenable. Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Subject: Re: Big Drill Car To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 08:13:47 EDT > I keep hearing about these guys. > Our Record at the station was stolen so > I can't listen to them. > Could someone tell me where I can order their CD > (I am told there is a CD out there) > thanks. Big Drill Car are on Cruz/SST, so, you should be able to order them from any record store near you. They've got 2 releases that I've been able to find, and an EP that the singer mentioned when I interviewed him before their show with ALL. In order of release, they are: EP (?) which I can't find. {Album,Tape,CD} Type Thing (whichever you buy, that's the title) Small Block EP Latest word is that they're back in the studio recording a full-length album (CD Type thing is an album, but a short one). The band is a side project for them, as "we've all got day jobs so we can eat". Musicially, they sound like Descendents or ALL. I like 'em, your mileage may vary. Hasta, ja. -- Joe Ammond System Programmer, CTS, Michigan Tech. University kitbash@mtu.edu kitbash@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu "I am not a number, I an a FREE MAN!" -- Number 6, _The_Prisoner_ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: your mail To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 08:47:53 EDT Ganglia dangles: > c new man -from fire dances lp from the e,d and vpe lp. For some reason I could just not listen to anything after _Revelations_ up to the newest. > so what happened to the big drummer and busy/but tasteful bass player they >dumped? Drummer Martin Atkins and bassist Raven rejoined for this album on request, to help finish out the record deal KJ had made years ago with their label. They insisted on the "return to old" sound and left afterwards of their own chosing. Atkins runs Invisible Records and was responsible for the Pigface deal. I forget what Raven is doing. Atkins was in PiL and inspired Rey from Scratch Acid and Rapeman to take up drumming the first place. >anyone know about the import album called outside the gate or something l _Outside the Gate_ is domestic on Caroline records, and (here I go again being negative) is a really awful album, their worst, with just Jordi and Jaz. I would really try to listen to this before you buy it. Again, if there's ever a chance to see KJ live, go, they are really powerful and moving and intense. Jaz is pretty screwed up and it comes across well. He's still really angstful after all these years. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not hide behind the Fifth Amendment. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Garage/Grunge/Gods To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 08:55:28 EDT > I'm trying to put together a complete discography for the Mono Men, > Bellingham, WA's best band ever. This is what I know about: I coulda' sworn I saw a 7" about a year ago with someone doing a Mono Men cover. Don't know the label, don't know the title. And, I could be making this up...but I don't think so. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Touch me, I'm sick! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: GWAR (Re: PAblahblahblah's comments) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 08:57:53 EDT > Incedentally, I am wearing my "European Tour 90" Gwar tee shirt today. Isn't that "EuRAPEan?" This is you. This is GWAR. This is you on GWAR. Lick. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Touch me, I'm sick! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gordon Lee Subject: Re: Fugazi To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 09:29:11 -0400 > From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" > Subject: Re: Fugazi > > The song that had everyone in tears was the song they do about > date-rape on *13 Songs* (sorry, I can never remember their song > titles). Mckaye did some of his spiel about rape. That's "Suggestion", I have seen him do the same routine at a show at the Mass College of Art two years ago (? wow, time flies) > I don't think > I have ever been to a "punk" show where the audience was > absolutely silent, but they were right then. (Of course, > when they went into the next song, the pit simply exploded.) It was pretty strange, I didn't see tears, but everyone was motionless and silent, except the bass line playing softly. After a couple minutes Ian said, "That was the most beautiful moment of my life". Then they went into the next song and the mayhem recomenced. - GL "Why can't I walk down the street, free from suggestion ?" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Sampson x20644 R12-2019 134385" Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins & Lemonheads To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 06:58:00 PDT Smashing Pumpkins are from Chicago. They have an album called _Gish_ out on Caroline. It's well worth the price. Great psychedelic thrash together with slower stuff. A bit like Jane's Addiction but with very inventive use of keyboards. There's a cool video out too. It's a collage of bizzare images which the guys say was made with no particular song in mind. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins & Lemonheads To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 10:43:55 EDT > The 2nd group was the "Lemonheads". I could have sworn I'd heard of > them before & didn't think much of them (maybe I'm thinking of the > "Mighty Lemon Drops"?). But, I heard a song called something like > "Never End" or "This Never Has to End". What a great fucking song. It > has to be the best new song I've heard in years. Anyone know anything > about these guys? Saw 'em live at school. Got a new album (including a cover of the Misfit's "Skull"). Did a humorous cover of "Luka." Definitely grunge. Definitely good. Go buy some stuff. Want suggestions? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Touch me, I'm sick! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: Decapitated by a Metal Blade To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 11:16:11 EDT >> Not to mention they completely left Shimmy Disc >> for the majors. :'( But ya never know. >> > Excuse me but they are on Metal Blade and signed with MB *before* MB was sold > to Warner Brothers. So, I doubt it was a move to become big. Also they only > did one album with shimmydisc because Kramer only wanted to do one. For what > reason I don't know. I stand corrected. I actually look forward to getting a copy of _Scumdogs..._ anyway. Maybe I'm just bitter 'cause _Hell-O_ is no longer available from Shimmy-Disc, except on tape, and even those are almost gone..... Eric avera@astrosun.TN.cornell.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins & Lemonheads To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 11:38:29 EDT On the Lemonheads: I used to own a CD of their first (?) two albums (together), the names of both I've forgotten. I think the disc itself was entitled _Create Your Friends_ or something like that. A local record store employee recommended that one in particular (up to that point I was only familiar with _Lick_). It just didn't quite cut it for me, though. Maybe it was their cover of "Amazing Grace" that I couldn't stomach. Anyway, I taped the 60% of the songs I DID like off of it, and traded it in. Apparently, one of the vocalists who was featured on both these albums has since gone on to do other things, though what, I have no idea. I'm not the MOST informed person about the Lemonheads, couldn't even tell ya' their names. As far as _Lick_ goes, well I like the cover a lot, having a rather naked pate myself, usually; and the music I think (if memory serves) was a bit better. Thrashy at times, kinda old-school punk at times. They do a marvelous cover of S. Vega's _Luka_ which blows away the original, needless to say. My favorite cut on _Lick_ hasta be the one with the Italian title. Really, really good. Although I think there was enough English for there to be some FCC no-nos, so I don't think that cut got any airplay (I'd reviewed this for ktru, Rice radio). The final part of my Lemonheads blabber concerns a live performance I saw which included them, some local unsigned (?) Boston talent (it was a Channel show), Scruffy the Cat, Buffalo Tom (who seemed to be the crowd fave), and Bullet Lavolta, who subbed in for the cancelling headliners, the Throwing Muses, whose drummer or somesuch was apparently sick. Not a bad lineup for the 6 or 10 bucks I dished out, wot? Anyway, the Lemonheads were fucking amazing live. Truly excellent stuff. It was a toss-up between them and Bullet Lavolta for the best of the evening, IMHO. As an aside, I was really surprised that no pit ever evolved.....I mean, in Houston, the lugheads (I'm a lughead, too, sometimes) will thrash to anything, even The Wolfgang Press ...... ;-) I HAVEN'T heard the Lemonheads' new album, which seems to have been a breakthrough in some sense for them (at least, units-wise). My bottom line is, see them live, maybe get _Lick_ (or the new one? which is prob. what you heard). Oh yeah, did I mention that the Lemonheads are a Boston outfit, too? On TAANG! Eric avera@astrosun.TN.cornell.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins & Lemonheads To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 10:43:00 EST Hey JR, I don't know much about the Smashhing Pumpkins but I really like the Lemonheads. I have their LP "LICK" and keep contemplating buying their newer one. I'm not sure what's it's called but it shoudl be pretty good. Lick is a great album, and to top the whole piece off, they do a great version of Suzanne Vega's "Luka". My band does this cover as well since we liked their version so much. I recommend "Lick" highly and I'm probably gonna buy their new one soon, I'll let you guys know how it is. If anybody else knows, please input. joe@rit Home of the TLA's -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Garage/Grunge/Gods To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 11:56:00 EDT Ms. Jackson sez: >And for everyone: Has anyone dealt with Estrus mail-order? Joined >the Estrus Crust singles club? Never even heard of him/her/it. Could you provide details? Is it a label, distributor, or both? What sorts of tastes? Being a big fan of the "singles club" idea (I'm in SubPoop and Vital Music) I'd like to know more. Never heard the "Killing Joke" phrase but it does sound very British, doesn't it? Anyone know if the album cover from the first LP is really a picture of an IRA sabotage/terrorist act? Anyone have a KJ discography? Here's what I know (just LPs, no singles, typical self-limited memory): Killing Joke, What's That For?, Revelations, Fire Dances, Brighter Than 1000 Suns, Outside the Gate, Extremities... Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not feed moldy cat food to my friends (again). -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins & Lemonheads To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Fri, 13 Sep 91 13:17:22 EDT > > The 2nd group was the "Lemonheads". I could have sworn I'd heard of > > them before & didn't think much of them (maybe I'm thinking of the > > "Mighty Lemon Drops"?). But, I heard a song called something like > > "Never End" or "This Never Has to End". What a great fucking song. It > > has to be the best new song I've heard in years. Anyone know anything > > about these guys? > Saw 'em live at school. Got a new album (including a cover of > the Misfit's "Skull"). Did a humorous cover of "Luka." > Definitely grunge. Definitely good. Go buy some stuff. Want > suggestions? > I beg to differ, Chip, but my opinion is based on the fact that the Singer, whose name escapes my recolection is a real loser. I think his name is Evan. A week after he recorded their last album, The one which came out in 1990, He fired the rest of the band. About 2 months after the album came out, they played Buffalo with a new band, Buffalo was cheering them on. The rest of the band came back out ready to play an encore and Evan came back on stage and said basically, "I am not going to do an encore. On the other hand, I have a Lemon Heads CD5, I forgot the "A side" but other songs on it were "Skulls" (Danzig), and "Step by step" (NKOTB) plus two more. Skulls is Ok, but Step by step is a riot. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. 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To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 12:22:01 CDT Favorite Grunge Albums Big Black, Songs about Fucking Rapeman, Two Nuns and a Pack Mule (Yes, I like Albini) Neil Young and Crazy Horse, Rust Never Sleeps Live Rust Ragged Glory Varius Artists, The Grunge Years Soul Asylum, While You Were Out Time's Incinerator Hang Time Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "Motherfuckin' Lied to you Motherfuckin' So Untrue" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Occupant Subject: GWAR (Re: PAblahblahblah's comments) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 12:25:01 CDT TANK GIRL!!! SHE SHOULD BE A CHARTER MEMBER OF L7 OR DICKLESS!!! KILLING GANGSTERS FOR FOSTER'S LAGER!!! SCREWING PUNK KANGAROOS!! IF SHE AIN'T GRUNGE, THERE AINT NO SUCH THING!!!! Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "Spunk Beer: I drink it, my wife drinks it, my barely formed baby drinks it!" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: Re: KJ disco-graphy To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 14:09:05 EDT I'm pretty sure _Nighttime_ came right before _1000 Suns_ (I remember being very disappointed with the latter). Personally, (and I don't know the first two albums, mind you) I think _Nighttime_ is a very good (although not an all-time favorite or anything) album. Eric -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins & Lemonheads To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 14:40:25 EDT > I beg to differ, Chip, but my opinion is based on the fact that the Singer, > whose name escapes my recolection is a real loser. I think his name is Evan. A > week after he recorded their last album, The one which came out in 1990, He > fired the rest of the band. Yes, his name is Evan. Yes, they've had goofy line-up problems. No, offhand I cannot say who is an asshole and who is not, simply because I haven't followed the story too closely. I thought something was Dinasaur related. However, 'Lick' does rock. They were GREAT live. They did Skulls, and it was quite good. And, they did a RIPPIN' cover of some Skid Row tune. And, they are not so pathetic that the highlights of their show were their cover tunes. As grungy as I've ever seen. > About 2 months after the album came out, they played Buffalo with a new band, > Buffalo was cheering them on. The rest of the band came back out ready to > play an encore and Evan came back on stage and said basically, "I am not going > to do an encore. If it makes you feel better, he had his front teeth chipped not once, but twice, by people ramming his mike into his mouth while slamming. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Touch me, I'm sick! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: Garage/Grunge/Gods To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 12:44:54 -0600 >>And for everyone: Has anyone dealt with Estrus mail-order? Joined >>the Estrus Crust singles club? >Never even heard of him/her/it. Could you provide details? Is it a label, >distributor, or both? What sorts of tastes? Being a big fan of the "singles >club" idea (I'm in SubPoop and Vital Music) I'd like to know more. Estrus is a record label based in Bellingham, WA (which is about 50 miles north of Seattle, I think) which specializes in 60s-influenced garage punk (and also surf instrumentals). Estrus Crust is their singles club. I believe the label is run by one Dave Crider, who is also the leader of the Mono Men. The Pacific Northwest has a glorious tradition of garage punk, dating back to the days of the Sonics and the Kingsmen and others, and many modern "grunge" bands from the area have very obviously partaken of that tradition. Think of Estrus as providing a missing link. Besides the Mono Men, bands on the label include Prisonshake, Games for Vultures, Marble Orchard, and the Mummies. Bands who I don't think are really "on the label" but who have appeared on Estrus stuff include Mudhoney, Girl Trouble, Seaweed, Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet, Young Fresh Fellows, Screaming Trees, the Cynics, and many many others. Anyone who thinks that the Cynics are cool should DEFINITELY see what Estrus has to offer. Not everything is a world-beater, but I haven't regretted a purchase yet. If anyone is interested, I'll post the address--I don't have it with me right now. >Never heard the "Killing Joke" phrase but it does sound very British, doesn't >it? I had heard that they got the name from the Monty Python skit about the joke that was so funny that anyone who heard it died laughing. soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: Garage/Grunge/Gods To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 12:50:52 -0600 From: Chip Hart >> I'm trying to put together a complete discography for the Mono Men, >> Bellingham, WA's best band ever. This is what I know about: > I coulda' sworn I saw a 7" about a year ago with someone doing > a Mono Men cover. Don't know the label, don't know the title. > And, I could be making this up...but I don't think so. Now that you mention it, I feel vague stirrings of memory. Damned if I know what from, though. Does anyone else have any ideas? soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cohen Subject: Re: MUDHONEY & SONIC YOUTH To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 13:16:48 +0100 On Sep 13, 9:51am, s045@brems.ii.uib.no wrote: > Mudhoney - Every good boy deserves fudge (LP SubPop) > Mudhoney - You're gone (12" SubPop) > Mudhoney/Sonic Youth - Touch me I'm sick b/w Halloween (12" licensed from > SubPop to Glitterhouse) > Sonic Youth - Goo (LP Geffen) > > I'm sure these recs. are well-known to you (Ecxept the last Mudhoney LP), > but to me they're new and damn interesting. Now I wonder what the other > Sonic Youth recs are like (e.g. Sister, EVOL etc.). Also, I'm dead curious > about the first Mudhoney LP, as I regard their second LP eponymous. > > OYVIND >-- End of excerpt from s045@brems.ii.uib.no The first two Mudhoney LP's are recommended - I can't remember the title of either but I thing EGBDF is their third. "Touch me I'm sick" is the band's anthem, from the first album, but "You got it" from the second album is also well known. -- Daniel Cohen Department of Computer Science Email: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk Queen Mary and Westfield College Tel: +44 71 975 5245/4/9 Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK Fax: +44 81 980 6533 *** Glory, Glory, Hallelujah *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NATASHA Subject: forwarded mail #2 To: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1991 15:04 EDT From: IN%"GRUNGE-L@UBVM" "Grunge Rock Discussion List" 15-SEP-1991 16:43:49.96 To: IN%"V108PTML@UBVMS.BITNET" "Renee C. Mecca", IN%"V129N5BC@UBVMS.BITNET" "Gaetano Insalaco", IN%"V22964QS@UBVMS.BITNET" "Mike Cluff" CC: Subj: Smashing Pumpkins & Lemonheads Received: from ubvm.bitnet (MAILER@UBVM) by UBVMS.BITNET (PMDF #12210) id <01GAM8XV4RPC8Y5OX6@UBVMS.BITNET>; Sun, 15 Sep 1991 16:43 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2409; Sun, 15 Sep 91 16:43:31 EDT Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1991 16:42:08 EDT From: Jeff Tucker Subject: Smashing Pumpkins & Lemonheads In-reply-to: note of 09/13/91 09:45 Sender: Grunge Rock Discussion List To: "Renee C. Mecca" , Gaetano Insalaco , Mike Cluff Reply-to: Grunge Rock Discussion List Message-id: <01GAM8XV4RPC8Y5OX6@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V108PTML, V129N5BC, V22964QS yes, beleive it or not they played lou, ky a while back and were excellent , plus they did a cover of "brass buttons" by gram parsons, also they snatched up the former drummer for squirrel bait along the way!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NATASHA Subject: forwarded mail #3 To: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1991 15:08 EDT From: IN%"GRUNGE-L@UBVM" "Grunge Rock Discussion List" 16-SEP-1991 10:48:15.64 To: IN%"V108PTML@UBVMS.BITNET" "Renee C. Mecca", IN%"V129N5BC@UBVMS.BITNET" "Gaetano Insalaco", IN%"V22964QS@UBVMS.BITNET" "Mike Cluff" CC: Subj: Straight Edge Received: from ubvm.bitnet (MAILER@UBVM) by UBVMS.BITNET (PMDF #12210) id <01GANARXEVOO8Y5V2P@UBVMS.BITNET>; Mon, 16 Sep 1991 10:46 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4767; Mon, 16 Sep 91 10:43:02 EDT Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1991 16:18:05 CET From: Undetermined origin c/o Postmaster Subject: Straight Edge Sender: Grunge Rock Discussion List To: "Renee C. Mecca" , Gaetano Insalaco , Mike Cluff Reply-to: Grunge Rock Discussion List Message-id: <01GANARXEVOO8Y5V2P@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V108PTML, V129N5BC, V22964QS Comments: E: Mail origin cannot be determined. Comments: E: Original tag was -> FROM: SWELTON at ESOC I found the following hilarious and with the recent talk about this I thought I'd post it. MEET THE MOST POSITIVE BAND IN THE WORLD This is the proud boast of Crucial Youth, the American hardcore band who've been tearing the US 'STRAIGHT EDGE' scene to pieces. So just who or what are these sober-headed crusaders of all that is pure and chaste. After several begging letters to their record company, New Red Archives, this is what was said. Crucial Youth are five casual but clean cut youths from Holmdale, New Jersey, who've taken the socially upstanding morality of the straight edge movement to the outer boundries of extremity and come up with their own Total Edge scene. The No Alcohol, No Drugs lifestyle adopted by the more radical of US hardcore devotees just isn't positive enough for C.Y. These guys take forthright stances against, among others, Masturbation, Swearing, Graffiti and Dental Hygiene. The bands motto, Physically Strong, Mentally Awake and Morally Straight is just one of the many gems of pious purity to be found in their 20 page straight edge bible given free with the LP. Along with the starch stiff moral lyrics there's also lashings of info for the budding straight edger on how to make your scene more positive, like the Do's and Don'ts of Mosh Pit Safety and slogans like 'If you curse you're the worst', 'Do sports, not drugs' and 'Milk rips'. Now, any hardcore/punk band who has'nt got an unwashed sock for a brain will realise that C.Y. are one huge jolly jape at the expense of the Holier than Thou side of straight edge. But no, not so. As mentioned before this band of booze banning do-gooders have kicked up an unholy stink in the US of A. Some of the more gullible straight edger's see C.Y. as the second coming of the Messiah himself and have taken their words of wisdom as gospel. While on the other side of the penny (or dime) it seems that the real McCoy bastions of straight edge thoroughly disaprove of this enlightened Total Edge theroy and say that it is undermining their praise-worthy efforts to rid the world of demon intoxicants, and that people are now not treating the S/E scene with the serious reverance it deserves! And their lyrics and slogans are even funnier, what next - Discharge going religous... Seb ~ Space - The Final Frontier ~ ~ Sebastian J. Welton ă SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET ~ ~ European Space Operations Centre ă MVS + VM Operations Analyst ~ ~ Darmstadt, Germany ă C.S.S.G. ECD/CS Meteosat Ops. ~ ~ Serco Space Ltd, Sunbury-on-Thames, England, Centre of the Universe ~ ~ Standard disclaimers ensue forthwith ~ ~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ă~ And oh, as yes the sky did turn to night, I shield my eyes and hide from the bright of day and cast the stone deep into the field of man and hide in shame, and low the flag raised in vain and close my mind to this lost day and shield my body with ferns of grey and ask no more of life unsaved and smile no more and lay here scaved, become the tombstone of my grave. .YNNi NUYCLiAr, diM diOLCh. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NATASHA Subject: forwarded mail #4 To: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1991 15:10 EDT From: IN%"GRUNGE-L@UBVM" "Grunge Rock Discussion List" 16-SEP-1991 14:23:23.15 To: IN%"V108PTML@UBVMS.BITNET" "Renee C. Mecca", IN%"V129N5BC@UBVMS.BITNET" "Gaetano Insalaco", IN%"V22964QS@UBVMS.BITNET" "Mike Cluff" CC: Subj: Stuff I have been doing (exciting title or what? Received: from ubvm.bitnet (MAILER@UBVM) by UBVMS.BITNET (PMDF #12210) id <01GANIBVCPNC8Y5RNX@UBVMS.BITNET>; Mon, 16 Sep 1991 14:23 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5035; Mon, 16 Sep 91 14:21:04 EDT Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1991 13:41:00 EDT From: "WFFT Radio, Ub's only student station" Subject: Stuff I have been doing (exciting title or what? Sender: Grunge Rock Discussion List To: "Renee C. Mecca" , Gaetano Insalaco , Mike Cluff Reply-to: Grunge Rock Discussion List Message-id: <01GANIBVCPNC8Y5RNX@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V108PTML, V129N5BC, V22964QS This is from Jon Hilgreen! Sorry to confuse you! 8) -- Hi all! First of all I still could probably use a computer "guest" account somewhere, I swung it so that I will not have trouble until the end of the year, but we will see after that. I don't want anyone to "lend" me there account, nor do anything that could get them in trouble, either. If you are a sysadmin somewhere, or if you are something or other that gives you power to grant a "guest" type account somewhere, get ahold of me, privately. My days are numbered. Secondly I went with Natasha to Toronto to see MUDHONEY exactly a week ago. Great show. Simular to Brian's Detroit review. Openers were SUPERCHUNK, and GAS HUFFER. SUPERCHUNK was awesome, and GAS HUFFER was pretty good. See this tour. This friday we (Natasha (the grunge kitty) and I are going to Toronto again. This time to see Nirvana, and the Melvins!!! I can't wait! I bought (finally) Glue/Roadmouth by THE FLUID. I don't know why, but I never got into them the first time around, but now, since I herd them on "The grunge years" I can't stop listening to them! Maybe "The Grunge Years" isn't so bad after all. I finally got my copy of "Badmotorfinger" (no thanks to Susan Silver!, we'll see if I ever get one from her! 8) ). For you confused youth, BMF is the new Soundgarden album. It is very matalic, but still amazing in it's own right! Chips and Dips compares it to Foreigner, if this is what Foreigner's new one sounds like, they should have gotten rid of Lou Gram along time ago. Well, I hope to be home, in my Unix account soon! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hyonchol kahng Subject: Godflesh - _SlaveState_ To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1991 18:37:26 CDT The stateside release date for Godflesh's _Slave State_ ep is set for September 24, a week from this Tuesday. This release will contain the tracks on the import 12" plus the "Slateman" single. On CD and cassette. Save yr pennies, folks. I know I am. hk -- hk kahng | "this compact disc is made from analog masters recorded hk@owlnet.rice.edu | without noise reduction. half the tracks, in fact, were rice university | recorded in a dismal, cheap basement eight-track studio houston, texas | with puddles of water on the floor. digital technology | will now faithfully reproduce these noisy, low-fi, un- | professional masters at great expense. | feel stupid yet?" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Manic Mudhoney weekend To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1991 00:59:29 EDT Hey grungefolk, Having survived the big grunge bash in Rochester this weekend with only a few dents and scratches (which is a lot more than I can say for the furniture), I'd like to official up my former rating of Mudhoney's _Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge_ to two thumbs up. It's a new style in it's own right, and it just takes the right volume and listening atmosphere to really appreciate it. I really didn't care for the remake of "Thorn" but no longer. _fieldfresh_ hosted a "hey, we're new but we're trying" bash in Rochacha, NY this weekend. Cute drummer (hubba hubba). The bass player's got a nice butt as well. Fortunately the beer had "run out" (not really) before the campus police showed up. The Coil disc was proclaimed to be "disco", and The Fluid was relegated the title of "way cool punk" (go figure, I only played "Tomorrow" though). Fortunately, my nose bleed didn't last long. I'll leave the details to someone else less damaged. Hey, I got a whole shitload of stuff from Amp Reptile this weekend so I'll try to get around to boring y'all with another review RSN (real soon now). Let me tell you, the baseball cap (at only $6) is all-cloth, with sweatguard, and totally hip, even if no one has a clue what it is. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not instigate revolution (yeah, right). -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Smashing Pumpkins Video To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1991 07:17:02 EDT Well whattaya know. I couldn't sleep Sunday night and actually watched a bit of 120 Minutes on MTV. How cool! Why don't the morons play this stuff all day? One hell of a lot more interesting than 95% of the philistine dreck they usually peddle, and I'd watch it a lot more often. I've had Peter Murphy's solo "Deep" since it was new, and never saw the video for "Cuts You Up." It was really good. On to the subject at hand: Smashing Pumpkins. They showed the video for "Siva" (I spell it Shiva). A very intense video, and an excellent song. I hear a lot about this "Jane's Addiction Ripoff" stuff, but I thought they were quite interesting and distinctive. The video had BLATANT Jane's influences (in particular, the votive candles and charms), but the music was driving and well worth listening to. I might even spring for the disc. What do you think of this song/video? Ron "At Work At 5:30AM Oh Cripes!" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thy BERND! Subject: Goo Goo Dolls / Splatcats To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1991 13:45:00 +0100 hi, eh what happened to the guy who want to get the first GGD lp/cd for me? what's the connection between GGD and SPLATCATS? btB! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: Re: Manic Mudhoney weekend To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1991 09:03:00 EDT Hey People, subRob growns out on a Monday morning: >Having survived the big grunge bash in Rochester this weekend with only a few >dents and scratches (which is a lot more than I can say for the furniture), >I'd like to official up my former rating of Mudhoney's _Every Good Boy Deserves >Fudge_ to two thumbs up. It's a new style in it's own right, and it just >takes the right volume and listening atmosphere to really appreciate it. >I really didn't care for the remake of "Thorn" but no longer. It's about time you really liked this one. Hey, did the mosh feast in the living room of _fieldfresh_ change your mind? Pure Mudfeast after _fieldfresh_ and the beer ran out. I came away with just a sore nose and some very sore muscles. "Thorn" was the climax of the mosh-o-rama. >_fieldfresh_ hosted a "hey, we're new but we're trying" bash in Rochacha, NY >this weekend. Cute drummer (hubba hubba). The bass player's got a nice butt >as well. Fortunately the beer had "run out" (not really) before the campus >police showed up. Fortunately, my nose bleed didn't last long. I'll leave >the details to someone else less damaged. Didn't the bass player say something about "this is a beta release"? Most of the crowd was laid back but not me, I was standing and swaying the whole set. Looks like they're going to do it again in a couple weeks with a longer song list and maybe even another band to play with too. RIT (Rochester Inst. of Tech) music seen is really getting up to speed. I also saw another band there on Saturday night. This same band played a couple doors down from _fieldfresh_ on Friday night. This other band, "I.C.U." plays mostly originals and some cool Hendrix covers. They have this girl that sings for them, kinda like a wanna-be-Joplin voice but different for this area. The funny thing about ICU is that (I think) they're grunge but I don't think they know it. Overall, a very good weekend. joe@rit Home of the TLA's and _fieldfresh_ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: Manic Mudhoney weekend, Part II To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1991 11:40:10 EDT Q: Whaddaya get when you take HSThompson ("Raoul Duke") and his Samoan lawyer, send 'em on a trip without any reds or amyls or sheets of acid or whatnot, yeah, wired on their own adrenaline and other sundry hormones instead, and set 'em loose in Rochester? A: Well, I'm not gonna spell it out if you can't see where this is heading.... "I have seen the future of grunge, and it might be _fieldfresh_"????? Well, there's a bit of polishing up to do, but I recognized everything they played that wasn't an original, and a band that's got the balls/tits (no sexual overtone intended) to cover Mudhoney, Burt Bacharach (sp?), and the Go-Go's all in the same breath has my vote for President. Giggin' with _fieldfresh_: _The Early Days_. Wow. And I second Rob ("Wampum or Wamp 'Em") Vaughn's observation (actually, I see you and raise you.....) that surely this band has the cutest drummer in grungedom (and TELL YOUR FRIENDS! it's not grunge- "dumb"!!). As for their originals, I thought they were really good tunes with quite interesting lyrics. Next time you're in Rochester, check out the havoc being wrought, unsupervised-like, in that corner of the universe. Get back to your garage roots. Forget the polish of early Mudhoney, Soundgarden, etc. HA! To release the mounting tension of the evening begun by _ff_ jams, there was a more-or-less-rob-instigated living room thrash (my virgin one!). It was mammoth and fast (the smaller the space, the more furious the pace, I guess), with as much time spent horizontal as vertical. Many caps were lost (but not any AmRep ones, TG). I'm used to thrashing around in clubs, but this beat all. Similar experiences out there? And I must say, also, that Mudhoney's latest just went soaring to the top of my most-wanted list. I humbly prostrate myself for the amount of self-in- dulgence present in this message, with the promise of reviews (of nationally- distributed releases) to come.....Pay to cum? Eric Avera avera@astrosun.TN.cornell.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: badmotorfinger To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1991 13:34:01 EDT Well, hey, I got the new Soundgarden. Have only had the time to hear it once. First impressions: Cornell has finally graduated from from his 3-year/2-year plan at the Ronnie James Dio School for "Singers" and the David Coverdale Academy, respectively. There are parts of this album where I expected him to lean back and scream, "the Mob rules..." or "STORMBRINGAAH!" Really. The album is their least grungy yet, perhaps the finest example of the commercialization of that beautiful Seattle sound. There are horns, even, in one song (but didn't they do that before, on Fopp, or something?). But, is it good? Yes. This is NOT metal, but it really is heavy. Jason Everman is a welcome addition. The first track has a Lemmy-esque bassline and even, as I faintly recall, a bass "solo." I can post song titles tomorrow (the tape is in my car, my car is in the shop), if anyone wants, though it will be out in a a weekish. On the first listen, I WOULD recommend this. Oh yeah, I bought the "Creel" single. Thanks Rob. The first guy on my block. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Then I heard the most horrible sound I ever heard in my life...and I knew...WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE ICE!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Douglas Scott Kalemba Subject: Re: MUDHONEY & SONIC YOUTH To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1991 17:51:18 TZONE SONIC YOUTH i own GOO, SISTER, DAYDREAM NATION, and EVOL, and have heard their first release (1981) simply called SONIC YOUTH. i like them all, and if you liked GOO, you'll like SISTER and DAYDREAM NATION. EVOL is a little more mellow and, until it grows on you, takes a little bit of effort to listen to. EVOL contains some classics though like EXPRESSWAY TO YOUR SKULL, IN THE KINGDOM #19, ans TOM VIOLENCE. MUDHONEY i own their first CD called MUDHONEY and like it alot. i haven't really listened to the new one yet, but if you like it, you'll probably enjoy this one. -doug ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - bite ------------------------>>> dk20@andrew.cmu.edu <<<------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Levasseur Subject: Big Drill Car To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1991 18:17:23 -0400 > From: Joe > > I keep hearing about these guys. > > Our Record at the station was stolen so I can't listen to them. Could > > someone tell me where I can order their CD (I am told there is a CD out > > there) thanks. > > Big Drill Car are on Cruz/SST, so, you should be able to order them from > Biany > record store near you. They've got 2 releases that I've been able to find, > and an EP that the singer mentioned when I interviewed him before their show > with ALL. In order of release, they are: > > EP (?) which I can't find. {Album,Tape,CD} Type Thing (whichever > you buy, that's the title) Small Block EP > BDC just released their new 9 track album, called _batch_ on cruz... i just got it, and it's cool... ron -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Live Soundgarden review To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1991 16:30:59 PDT Happy new week grungemongers! I thought I'd give you all a few good show reviews from the weekend, so here goes... The first show was friday night at a club in Seattle called Rockcandy. The show featured My Sister's Machine and Blind Horse. First up was Blind Horse (might be Blindhorse). This band features Bruce Fairweather (sp?) on guitar of Mother Love Bone fame. Never having seen him before, I didn't realize it was him, but I was thinking "these guy are definitely going for the MLB sound". In my opinion they did a poor job of it. After a few songs I abandoned Blind Horse in search of Nick, singer for My Sister's Machine. I have mentioned this band here before, and was asked for more info, so I got a little. They have been signed to Caroline, published by Virgin. They have all the tracks recorded for an album, and are going to Wisconsin to mix it. It is scheduled for release in mid January with a tour to follow. Tad Doyle was in attendance that night, wearing his "Smoke Pot" shirts as usual. I was gonna talk to him and ask him about the Jack Pepsi thang, I heard Pepsi has taken legal action, but I never did. Ok, the Soundgarden show.... that was in Olympia, WA, about one hour south of Seattle. There were two opening bands, "Fitz of Depression", and "Helltrout". FoD was a three piece ensemble. Most of their songs were very fast, barre chord agressivness with, IMHO, nothing new to offer. I liked Helltrout better, they were more in the grunge arena. It was much slower. Some of it even sorta reminded me of the Melvins, but not as abstract. It was in an old theater type of venue, and they werent worth standing on chairs for, so I just sat and admired the flannel wrapped butts in front of me:) During the stage change before soundgarden I saw something I don't think I've ever seen before. The house music consisted of some Jane's, and Primus, and people just hung out, then "Enter Sandman" (metallica) came on, and the place mildly errupted, a pit started, bodies lifted overhead and many sang along. I guess the new album is being well recepted, anyway..... I'm a Soundgarden head, so its hard for me to give an objective review, but it was great. The new material is slow, and it doesn't seem as single note riff based as Lounder than Love. I loved it! The new bass player is the same one I saw them with w/ Danzig in Philadelphia. He's not overly active on stage, and doesn't seem way into it. He played both with a pick and without, on a single Fender Precision. Kim played a Guild SG style, and a Les Paul through a Peavy head thru 2 4x12s, one on the left one on the right. He blew one head and had three roadies to replace it with an identical. Must be nice! Chris played two Les Pauls. I had heard at an earlier gig about 3 weeks ago he never put the guitar down, but saturday he played it about 60-70% of the time. He played thru a rack into 2 stacked 4x12s. And for all you drummers, my roomate (a drummer) said that Matt has improved on his four way co-ordination since he saw them 18 months ago, big deal, right? He's a great drummer! The only older stuff they played was Gun, Hands all Over, and Big Dumb Sex all from Louder... It was a great time, and I'm anxiously awaiting Badmotorfinger. I'm going to see them again tonite in a club called Rockcandy in Seattle (hip name, huh?). If anything out of the ordinary happens I'll be sure to pass it on. Alice in Chains are playing on 9/23 and 9/24 at Rockcandy. If anyone is interested in a review, let me know and I'll post one afterwards. or if you have any questions about the soundgarden show, ask, ill do my best. I'm sorry if this review was too guitar/musician orientated, but that where i get off. Sorry. Later John ..a side note to Rockin' Jon... Pagan is spelled PagAn! It was a VERY common mistake. And I guess Chris isn't using the guitar you sold him live. Damn. I talked to the salesman that sold him both of his Les Pauls, because one was like a silver/black sunburst that I had never seen before. I guess its an '81 custom. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: woj Subject: mudhoney blows superchunks To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1991 00:43:54 EDT well, subject line says it all i think. saw mudhoney with superchunk and some unknown band called gas huffer this evening at city gardens in trenton. for $10, i guess it was a worthwhile show - three bands for three hours, but..well...allow me to explain. gas huffer was from some place that i forgot. they were pretty forgetful too. basically a grunged up late 70s punk band with the volume at 11. sounds like a formula for success, sure, but they were boring. nevermind the fact that there was no talent involved (none is required as far as i'm concerned), but they just did not click. superchunk was probably, by far, the high point of the evening. they're kinda in that buzzcore pop sound pioneered by the decendants, but with a heavier feel to it. they were energetic, paid attention to their performance and you could just tell that they were really into what they were doing. they more than clicked. they clacked. or something like that. intense and fun - a pity that more people were not into them. mudhoney on the other hand, as the headliner, engrossed the crowd entirely. yet, they were just up there, playing and making noise. it was good for a slam or two to get out some frustrations (though it got to a point where i really needed a dramamine and had to make my own little pit off to the side), but there was just no heart in their playing. loud, grungy and fun yes. but entertaining? perhaps not. but worth the $4 i guess that i paid for their part of the show. one good thing happened though: ran into ira kaplan and georgia whatever her last name is from yo la tengo and talked to them for a bit. for those of you in the philadelphia area, they will be playing jc dobbs on the 4th of october and the next night, they shall be at the knitting factory in new york city. sometime later this fall, they will also go back in the studio and start working on a new record as well. yay! (incidentially, they didn't seem too impressed by mudhoney either - the look of complete confusion on georgia's face as she watched them whale on their gee-tars kinda gave it away. ira was playing pinball most of the night too... woj@remus.rutgers.edu - smou/dj-for-hire - cutting out a silouette of dreams -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Re: Goo Goo Dolls / Splatcats To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Tue, 17 Sep 91 10:03:13 EDT > what's the connection between GGD and SPLATCATS? > They are both from Buffalo. They were both signed to a Celluloid. Though I feel I have about as much in common with these guys as they do with each other. THough I must admit I am not signed to Celluloid. 8) Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Tucker Subject: Smashing Pumpkins & Lemonheads To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1991 16:42:08 EDT yes, beleive it or not they played lou, ky a while back and were excellent , plus they did a cover of "brass buttons" by gram parsons, also they snatched up the former drummer for squirrel bait along the way!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: Alice Donut To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1991 12:44:44 +0300 Subject: Alice Donut Albums: _Bucketfulls of Sickness and (blah, blah)_ _Mule_ _Revenge Fantasies of the Impotent_ _Get a Life_ (Vital...7" or LP? Dunno) ---Well this is pretty old issue, but since I found this lying in my files I'll bring it up... the 'Get a life' thing is a 7" on Vital. In addition to the above mentioned stuff AD has released at least _Donut Comes Alive_ (1st lp on Alt. tent.) a split 7" w/ Da Willys (on Rave recs) _My Boyfriend's Back_ (7" on AT, exellent BTW) Just in case somebody cared, t -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: The purest form of flattery... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1991 12:50:45 +0300 Another forgotten message need (?!) to be replied to... If you're really on the lookout for Fugazi clones, you might check out Fuel. Available via mail order from Subterranean, and others, I'm sure. Friends in Houston speak highly of Fuel, even if they do wear their influences on their sleeves. I'm not sure of the label, but I think they may be a D.C. band, too. ? ---IMHO Fuel is way better than Fugazi. They've added the power and drive that lacks Fugazi's material. I was supposed to check out the label they're on but forgot - that's me, folks! They released at least one full length lp and one 7" + a split 7" with Angry Son and a split 7" w/Phleg Camp. Phleg Camp is also a very good (punk?) band. Are there more?, t -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blund Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins Video To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1991 12:25:51 +0200 > Well whattaya know. I couldn't sleep Sunday night and actually watched a bit > of 120 Minutes on MTV. How cool! Why don't the morons play this stuff all > On to the subject at hand: Smashing Pumpkins. They showed the video for > "Siva" (I spell it Shiva). A very intense video, and an excellent song. I > hear a lot about this "Jane's Addiction Ripoff" stuff, but I thought they were > quite interesting and distinctive. The video had BLATANT Jane's influences > (in particular, the votive candles and charms), but the music was driving and > well worth listening to. I might even spring for the disc. > > What do you think of this song/video? Yeah, I've seen this video too. The thing is that I saw it two weeks ago in the Reading Festival issue of 120 Mins. Have they shown this video twice in two weeks or what? Anyway I really liked Gish and would like to know what other stuff is available... | _ johnerik@ifi.uio.no | |_| | | | John-Erik Johansen | ___| |_ Hey man , smell my finger !!!!! Porfyrvn. 20 | / | |o| \ 3140 BORGHEIM | | | | | | NORWAY | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: mudhoney blows superchunks To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1991 16:58:23 +0300 superchunk was probably, by far, the high point of the evening. ---Have they made any recs? What? Label? Should I give 'em a shot? t -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STOLTZ PETER Subject: mono men To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1991 11:05:49 -0600 soren writes: >I'm trying to put together a complete discography for the Mono Men, >Bellingham, WA's best band ever. This is what I know about: Actually, all I have by them is the Stop Draggin' Me Down LP. Can anyone suggest my next purchase of theirs? And do any of you Northwest folks have contact with the band? Are they touring anytime soon? What's the scoop? Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: badmotorfinger To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1991 15:41:53 EDT Chip covers the new Soundgarden release: >The album is their least grungy yet, perhaps the finest >example of the commercialization of that beautiful Seattle >sound. There are horns, even, in one song (but didn't they do >that before, on Fopp, or something?). But, is it good? Yes. I recall there being some sax on the "Room 1000 Years Wide" on a SubPlop single I have. I heard that a remake of the song appears on the LP, so if that's it, it's in character. >I can post song titles tomorrow (the tape is in my car, my car >is in the shop), if anyone wants, though it will be out in a a >weekish. On the first listen, I WOULD recommend this. I'm still gonna be squeemish and wait until you've listened to it a few more times. If you can recommend it after a week or two, let me know. It's not a rarity or anything so I can wait. >Oh yeah, I bought the "Creel" single. Thanks Rob. The first >guy on my block. Yipes! (buythealbum-buythealbumbuythealbumbuythealbum) By the way (buybuybuy) did I mention that (a) I didn't like the single the first couple of times I listen to it and (buy) the album is even better than the single? I would highly (gobuygobuy) recommend it. New Guns 'N' Roses out now, I see, finally. I'll admit that I think they're a great band, heck, the short-lived radio show I did was called "Welcome to the Jungle" (although it was *not* a metal show). So what's the poop? Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not deviate from the norm. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Levasseur Subject: Smashing Pumpkins Video To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1991 18:18:13 -0400 Ron Rader Rites: > On to the subject at hand: Smashing Pumpkins. They showed the video for > "Siva" (I spell it Shiva). A very intense video, and an excellent song. I > What do you think of this song/video? i actually saw this video on Headbangers Ball on MTV over the summer. thrown in with all of the metal videos, it was a nice change. it's funny how MTV has trouble categorizing some of the videos they play. i also saw the video for _loud love_ on that same program. soundgarden could be interpreted as a metal band though.... i bought the smashing pumpkins _gish_ just a couple of weeks ago. i like it a lot, and am psyched to go to the WFNX b-day party in which they're playing, with nirvana, bullet lavolta, and others... ronnnnnnnnnnbo lskjdfasljdfa;lkjf;aldkjf;lsaf -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Levasseur Subject: Big Drill Car To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1991 18:38:16 -0400 > From: Joe > > I keep hearing about these guys. > > Our Record at the station was stolen so I can't listen to them. Could > > someone tell me where I can order their CD (I am told there is a CD out > > there) thanks. > > Big Drill Car are on Cruz/SST, so, you should be able to order them from > Biany > record store near you. They've got 2 releases that I've been able to find, > and an EP that the singer mentioned when I interviewed him before their show > with ALL. In order of release, they are: > > EP (?) which I can't find. {Album,Tape,CD} Type Thing (whichever > you buy, that's the title) Small Block EP > BDC just released their new 9 track album, called _batch_ on cruz... i just got it, and it's cool...real cool. on other cruz stuff, i also saw a new chemical people ep. i added up the track times, and there is about 12 mins of music on this disc. it seems that cruz ep's are just outrageously priced, and i don't think i'll buy it unless someone raves about it. i also picked up TONYALL, which is a collection of songs written by tony lombardo (descendents original bassist), with ALL as the backing band. if you are totally into ALL i think the cd's worth it. tony sings about 5 of the songs on it, and he just bites the big one on vocals. i think he should stick to bass. the stuff is a lot like old descendents (i mean really old). tony did vocals on some very early descendents: ride the wild and hectic world for example. scott sings some songs, and karl (all's bassist) does cool vocals on a track. the first song, son-o-theme is excellent, and follows the long line of descendents/all themes.... ron -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Manic Mudhoney weekend, Joe's faulty memory To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1991 21:46:17 EDT Joe groans: >muscles. "Thorn" was the climax of the mosh-o-rama. Actually, it was The Pixies "Something Against You", which was a pretty hairy tune to see live. So folks, the topic of the day is slam pits in your living room - do's and don'ts: Do keep the stereo upstairs with all the records/tapes/CDs. Do remove all the lightbulbs from the lamps. Do keep your head up and back at all times, it will prevent nosebleeds. Don't expect your furniture to look nice in the morning. Don't expect posters or pictures to stay on the wall. Don't wear caps in to the mosh and expect to find 'em in one piece later. Any additions or similar experiences? Ramblin and rantin', Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not mosh in the neighbor's bedroom. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Amp. Reptile To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1991 22:56:39 EDT Blarg, folks, yarblockos, Anyone interested in working on Touch and Go and Amphetimine Reptile label discographies with me? Same format/style as the SubPop one. Unfortunately neither of these puts catalog numbers in their mail order stuff, so I'm gonna need volunteers to find the poop I don't have. Also, I didn't mean to scare away any Killing Joke talk with my big mouth. There's a few other facts and questions I have that I'll try to bring up soon. Anyone know when _Nighttime_ was released? Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not play frisbee with the CD-ROMS again. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dougo%SODA.BERKELEY.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins Video To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1991 21:13:34 -0700 > Well whattaya know. I couldn't sleep Sunday night and actually watched a > bit of 120 Minutes on MTV. How cool! Why don't the morons play this stuff > all day? One hell of a lot more interesting than 95% of the philistine > dreck they usually peddle, and I'd watch it a lot more often. I've had > Peter Murphy's solo "Deep" since it was new, and never saw the video for > "Cuts You Up." It was really good. Geez, Ron, I coulda told you that! 120 minutes is the coolest thing on TV, by far! Haven't watched it lately, because I just moved and haven't gotten cable yet, but I always made a special effort to try and watch this show. Headbanger's Ball used to be cool, back before it was invaded by all the Poison and Warrant clones. The only other cool thing on MTV these days is "Liquid TV". And conveniently enough, it comes on right after 120 mins.! Oh, and check out Steve Masters, I think he's a 10am-12am VJ. He's a DJ at Live 105 here in SF, so it's neat to see what he looks like. They still make him play all the regular MTV tripe, but it seems like he gets to choose a cool video every now and then to play. (Kids, the secret word today is "cool", in case you hadn't noticed...) > On to the subject at hand: Smashing Pumpkins. They showed the video for > "Siva" (I spell it Shiva). A very intense video, and an excellent song. I > hear a lot about this "Jane's Addiction Ripoff" stuff, but I thought they > were quite interesting and distinctive. The video had BLATANT Jane's > influences (in particular, the votive candles and charms), but the music was > driving and well worth listening to. I might even spring for the disc. > > What do you think of this song/video? I like the video, as well as the other song of theirs I've heard. But I've heard that the rest of the album is mellow and boring. I still wanna get it, though; mellow != boring to me. stay cool, -- DougO P.S. exactly how many mailing lists are we both on, anyway, Ron? -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Orleans Subject: Seaweed To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1991 21:23:42 -0700 Just a side note to remark that there's a short blurb on Seaweed in the newest issue of Rolling Stone, in the article entitled "real college bands". Funny, though, Seaweed was the only one that wasn't actually in college, so I have no idea why they included them... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PA114309%UTKVM1.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1991 11:28:43 LCL rob,, nighttime was releaseed whenever they had that 80's single which is i think 85'...but not positive,, its good KJ, although its along the lines of red lorry yellow lorry, which i also like. RLYL probably got their sound from K J. have to signoff for a week till get new number. ganglia... still havent found paint your wagon in used bin yet. 'smashed hits' is suitable 'hook' grunge for me. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Re: mudhoney blows superchunks To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Thu, 19 Sep 91 9:52:30 EDT > superchunk was probably, by far, the high point of the evening. > > ---Have they made any recs? What? Label? > > Should I give 'em a shot? > Most deffinately. Their album should be out next week (with every other albumn in the world [RED HOTS, SOUNDGARDEN, NIRVANA...]) if it isn't out already. It is on Matador records here in the US. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Re: badmotorfinger To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Thu, 19 Sep 91 10:06:27 EDT > Chip covers the new Soundgarden release: > > >The album is their least grungy yet, perhaps the finest > >example of the commercialization of that beautiful Seattle > >sound. There are horns, even, in one song (but didn't they do > >that before, on Fopp, or something?). But, is it good? Yes. > > I recall there being some sax on the "Room 1000 Years Wide" on a SubPlop > single I have. I heard that a remake of the song appears on the LP, so if > that's it, it's in character. > Well to put the record straight, being to SOUNDGARDEN audiophile that I am, "Room a thousand years wide" is a total re recording. Secondly I haven't gone a day without listening to the album since I got it on Sunday. But I am jaded. As I said If you like SOUNDGARDEN, you will love this album, if you don't you won't. NIRVANA THIS FRIDAY IN TORONTO!!!!! Anyone else going? Besides THE MELVINS and I? > Yipes! (buythealbum-buythealbumbuythealbumbuythealbum) By the way > did I mention that (a) I didn't like the single the first couple of times > I listen to it and (buy) the album is even better than the single? I would > highly (gobuygobuy) recommend it. > That's funny that you mentioned it, but I didn't get into them by listening to the single. I want to check them out though now due to all the talk on the list. > New Guns 'N' Roses out now, I see, finally. I'll admit that I think they're > a great band, heck, the short-lived radio show I did was called "Welcome to > the Jungle" (although it was *not* a metal show). So what's the poop? > I like G'n'R too. From initial listenings of the album I am disapointed. I felt that they are trying to do a tribute to all the bands that they grew up on, whether they were influenced by them or not. There last album showed balls. This albums sounds like they are a bunch of fat burnouts trying to make money. Believe me it dies hurt me to say that, I try to look beyond the typical G'n'R fan to look at the band, but it is hard. Please note this is an opinion and only based on the fact the I have only herd parts of both albums and only once, except for the singles. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: God's Favorite Networker Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins Video To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1991 14:33:08 CDT >Geez,Ron, I coulda told you that! 120 minutes is the coolest thing on TV, >by far! Haven't watched it lately, because I just moved and haven't gotten >cable yet,but I always made a special effort to try and watch this show. >Headbanger's Ball used to be cool,back before it was invaded by all the >Poison and Warrant clones. The only other cool thing on MTV these days is >"Liquid TV". And conveniently enough, it comes on right after 120 mins.! I haven't really watched MTV for about a year now (no TV, rez hall TV doesn't even have NBC, most friends are broke too, and besides, who'd let you invade on a Sunday when they have monday classes?), but when I did watch, 120 Minutes was slightly outcooled by Buzz. Buzz was Mondo 2000 moving. Buzz was _Neuromancer_ in real life. Buzz was "Max Headroom" done news instead of entertainment. 120 Minutes is cool (I have a MINISTRY video from them) but Buzz was GOD! >stay cool, >-- DougO Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "Don't think I don't like you, because I don't." Disclaimer: The opinions contained in this post are not the opinions of the Administration, Faculty, or Student Body of South Dakota State University. Hell, they might not even be mine. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Stuff I have been doing (exciting title or what? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1991 16:20:05 EDT > Chips and Dips compares it to Foreigner, if this is what Foreigner's new one > sounds like, they should have gotten rid of Lou Gram along time ago. Whoah, Hoss. I was told, "it sounded like Foreigner." Since then, I've given a plenty favourable review. Soundgarden gets reall BASS. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Then I heard the most horrible sound I ever heard in my life...and I knew...WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE ICE!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: badmotorfinger To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1991 09:11:46 EDT > I think the above is a bullshit in it's purest form. (Please note I am not > saying that I think the album is all that grungy, in fact I probably think it > is more metal than Chip (It was chip that I am quoting isn't it?). But this > Dio comparison is weak. Yes Soundgarden are the Grandchildren of Sabbath, but > they always were. Really? After a relisten ('Bulldozers!), I stand even taller in my convictions. Shee-it, it you don't hear Dio in that voice at first listen, than it's beyond redemption. Listen to "Holy Water" (Soundgarden does a GREAT Bad Company cover :-)! The FOPP stuff, too. In my first radio-interview ever, I got Matt Cameron. At one point, we discussed the big topic, their "Led Zeppelin" style (if CMJ and Rockpool say it, it'd got to be true!). Feeling a little courageous, I suggested that they actually sounded a bit more Black Sabbath. I made his day. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Then I heard the most horrible sound I ever heard in my life...and I knew...WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE ICE!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: badmotorfinger To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1991 09:24:57 EDT >I recall there being some sax on the "Room 1000 Years Wide" on a SubPlop single >I have. I heard that a remake of the song appears on the LP, so if that's it, >it's in character. The remake is there. Not too different as I recall. The horns are somewhere else, though. > I'm still gonna be squeemish and wait until you've listened to it a few more > times. If you can recommend it after a week or two, let me know. It's not > a rarity or anything so I can wait. I like it plenty. Scares the kids a little when I drive (except now, I have no transmission...). > Yipes! (buythealbum-buythealbumbuythealbumbuythealbum) By the way (buybuybuy) > did I mention that (a) I didn't like the single the first couple of times > I listen to it and (buy) the album is even better than the single? I would > highly (gobuygobuy) recommend it. Your cousin in this band? Anyone want to buy a Jetta? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Then I heard the most horrible sound I ever heard in my life...and I knew...WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE ICE!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Re: badmotorfinger To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Thu, 19 Sep 91 15:16:50 EDT > Really? After a relisten ('Bulldozers!), I stand even taller > in my convictions. Shee-it, it you don't hear Dio in that > voice at first listen, than it's beyond redemption. Listen to > "Holy Water" (Soundgarden does a GREAT Bad Company cover :-)! > The FOPP stuff, too. > Funny I made the same joke when my housemate, a classic rock head, was listening with me. (Bad co. that is) Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thy BERND! Subject: (lost) pakets to israel! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1991 15:53:00 +0100 hi, some weeks (months?) ago i sent 2 pakets to an email-friend in israel. they include t-shirts, cds, lps, tapes, etc. and are worth a lot of money. both pakets aren't registrated (don't know if it's possible in germany). i don't know what happened, but my friend said they didn't arrive him. if anyone had similar experiences - what could we do? THIS IS A WARNING! (of thy BERND!) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DMatson%UCS.UMASS.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: HoD, boston shows, Hole, etc. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1991 21:41:51 -0400 just found out Head of David is playing TT the Bears in cambridge on 10/30 (with Tar). Is this still the same tour? seems like they've been in the country for many months if that's the case. Other neat stuff to look forward to next month, Flour w/Albini on 10/20, Thinking Fellers supposedly in there somewhere, and of course the almighty Helmet on 10/15. Anyone have any opinions on the band Mecca Normal? I've heard a few songs on the radio which I liked for some reason, and I don't normally go for that kinda stuff. They're playing next month also. This is all getting quite ahead, though. still a number of things to look forward to in the next couple weeks. No Man, Upside Down Cross/Madbox, Cows/Melvins, Nirvana/Smashing Pumpkins, Green Magnet School, etc. Hole - "pretty on the inside" a good, but not great record. pretty repetitive, but a number of good songs if you're into the growling female guitar grunge thing. whatever.. dave dmatson@ucs.umass.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheri Gillette Subject: Re: (lost) pakets to israel! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1991 09:21:26 PDT martin? put a TRACE on the package... go down to your post office and they will have you fill out the forms... (where it was going, etc) more than likely they are probably at a post office somewhere waiting to be delivered! i had a situation that was quite like yours. i sent all KINDS of goodies (records, pix, t-shirts, etc) to a friend in England. he had MOVED to another place, so when they package was delivered, he wasn't there anymore. i put a trace on it...a YEAR later it showed up...BEAT all to HELL and there was my $30 in postage down the drain! so, at least the stuff i had sent wasn't lost! GOOD LUCK!!! -sheri -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: love Subject: Night Time To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1991 09:26:30 PDT > Also, I didn't mean to scare away any Killing Joke talk with my big mouth. > There's a few other facts and questions I have that I'll try to bring up > soon. Anyone know when _Nighttime_ was released? 1985. The song "Eighties" appeared on some movie soundtrack slightly before the album actually came out. My copy says it was recorded in 1984. -d -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NATASHA Subject: Re: Nirvana To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1991 12:48:00 EDT >Subj: Nirvana >Hey People, > I seem to remember someone talking about a Nirvana show coming up this >weekend in Toronto. I think it was someone in Buffalo. If anybody has more >info on this concert, can you please post it or send e-mail directly to me. Yep.. Rockin' Jon posted it I believe. Tomorrow *9/20* Nirvana will be playing in Toronto at the Opera House and the Melvins are opening up for them. The Opera House is a small, old opera house which now hosts grunge :)) hehe and other types of music. 2 weeks ago Mudhoney played there,.. well you know.. Rockin' posted it. Gas Huffer was so-so.. I was sorta tired/sick when Superchunk came on.. so I didn't pay much attention.. Mudhoney was good.. I especially like "Touch Me (I'm Sick)" so did the crowd.. more active body bashing was apparent during the song. I'm looking forward to Nirvana. The 2 hour drive home at 1am is always a memorable one with Rockin'...He will be asking me weird questions to keep me awake.. but at least the 24 hour pancake place wil be open.. last time we stopped at a 24 hour deli to get some caffeine and we had the worst tummyaches the next day. :(( the things we do for grunge.. :)) later folks, Renee the *grunge kitty* -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VS8154%UMKCVAX3.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Bug & Liquid TV To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1991 14:18:00 CDT Does anyone have the lyrics to _Bug_ by Dino Jr., or is there a site out there where I could get them? If anybody has them, I'd like to see them. What the hell, you might even post 'em... I'm sure there're others that would like to see them also. Speaking of Liquid Television, My brother's been dating the lady who did the voice for _Aeon Flux_. She doesn't have too much in common with the character tho... She also did the editing. Let's see those lyrics! ****************************** * Remember this place * * It's damp and it's cold * * The best place on earth * * But it's dark and it's old * Sam Hughes * So lie near the wall * VS8154@UMKCVAX3 * And cover your head * VS8154@VAX3.CUEP.UMKC.EDU * Good night and God bless * * Now f*** off to bed * * * * -The Pogues * ****************************** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: Smashing Punkins To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1991 08:34:10 PDT > Geez, Ron, I coulda told you that! 120 minutes is the coolest thing on TV, > by far! > The only other cool thing on MTV these days is > "Liquid TV". And conveniently enough, it comes on right after 120 mins.! Awww, c'mon, whatta bout MTV Raps! Its GREAT for fashion ideas! Naw, really, I do like NWA and PE. Which reminds me, PE was scheduled to release something on the 17th. If anyone has heard it, I would like some opinions. You can email me, I dont know how many PE fans are on this list. > heard that the rest of the album (Smashing Pumpkins' Gish) > is mellow and boring. I still wanna get > it, though; mellow != boring to me. > Ya, the mellow stuff sorta reminds me of the Velvet Underground a bit, with a little Doors' this is the end kinda thing happenin' in spots. Good Stuff! New Fugazi in stores yet? John haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Timothy R. Williams" Subject: Melvins, Fluid, 57 Lesbian To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1991 17:16:24 TZONE Hey y'all, Just saw the Melvins Tues. Night (9/17) here in Pittsburgh. They played with three local bands, all with attitudes, who really don't deserve much mention. As for the Melvins themselves, they were amazing. They started it off slow, of course, with a song that lasted at least 10 min. Buzz is an amazing creator of walls of noise, Dale hits his drums harder than anything, and the new bass player (I can't remember his name) broke a string on his bass (a 5-string bass, that is) the first song and didn't replace it for the rest of the show. Basically, all I can say is that the Melvins are an ugly band who play even uglier music. Wow! Also, although I'm going to school in Pittsburgh, I live in Denver in the summer, which means seeing the Fluid a lot. They took a six week break this summer because the bass player got married, but returned with a bunch of great new songs. They're still basically the same style but they rock. Also, another great new band in Denver is 57 Lesbian with the Fluid's bass player playing guitar and singing. The beautiful Chanin Floyd on bass, and the old drummer from the Frantix (the Fluid's old band). Pretty much along the same lines as the Fluid's slower material with some female backup singing. Later, Tim Hogbitch tw1o+@andrew.cmu.edu p.s. I was off the list for a while, so someone please give me the scoop on Pearl Jam. Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat Padua Subject: los grandos exitos del grunge To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1991 17:32:37 EDT A movie list I'm on is compiling a list of favorite movies. Anybody want to just send their fave grunge records to the list? Perhaps this will open up list readers to new bands, to new avenues of aural sensation. Perhaps this will open up provocative discussion on the nature of music and of humanity's use of leisure time. Perhaps this will piss everyone out of their fucking mind. Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Estrus Crust info To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1991 16:16:47 -0600 I had a couple people ask me for info on the Estrus singles club. Everything typed below is taken verbatim from the Estrus catalog. I have no connection with the company (except as a customer who thinks they make damn good records). ----------- Estrus Crust Club Membership $20 U.S./$25 Canada/$30 Foreign --Upcoming singles: Rocket Scientists, Untamed Youth, the Gories, Mono Men and more! All prices post paid US...Foreign/Canadian orders add $1.50 1st item, .50 each additional item. Here's what you get: * the next six Estrus Crust limited edition colored vinyl 7-inch singles. * Free subscription to the *Estrus Update*, the official Estrus newsletter. * 15% discount on mail order purchases from the Estrus catalog. * A personalized Estrus Crust membership card. P.O. Box 2125 Bellingham, WA 98227 USA (206) 647-1187 (tel./fax.) ----------- soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: mono men To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1991 16:20:22 -0600 >>I'm trying to put together a complete discography for the Mono Men, >>Bellingham, WA's best band ever. This is what I know about: >Actually, all I have by them is the Stop Draggin' Me Down LP. Can anyone >suggest my next purchase of theirs? The CD has three extra tracks (which are all available elsewhere). I suggest getting the *On the Rocks* 7" which, besides having the totally awesome "Daylight", also features fine songs by Marble Orchard and Games for Vultures, and the *This Ain't the Sonics!!!* and *Estrus Lunch Bucket* CDs which feature a lot of really cool (mostly) NW garage bands. soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: Smashing Punkins To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1991 15:28:50 +0300 New Fugazi in stores yet? ---Yes, I've got it. No comments so far, t < t (Viikari) < tv87098@cs.tut.fi > I was born on the day > < Onkiniemenk. 6B16 < tel: +358-31-221 169 > Everything became nothing. > < 33230 Tampere < fax: +358-31-221 169 < I will die on the day > < FINLAND < KEEP IN TOUCH, PUNK! < Nothing becomes everything. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Sampson x20644 R12-2019 134385" Subject: Re: Forward from GRUNGE-L on the world'sbest band To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1991 07:43:56 PDT G'n'R ... The album is for the most part boring, but "Get In The Ring" cracks me up. Axl goes into a tirade, ripping on everybody in the music press. He names names! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: marc julian Subject: Re: Forward from GRUNGE-L on the world'sbest band To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1991 10:44:26 EDT Yes the'Use Your Illusions I and II' cds are a huge dissappointment... New Fugazi also lacks the strength of their earlier releases.. Has anyone heard the new record by Prong ?? It is impossible to find here in Athens... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Prong... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1991 11:14:13 EDT > Has anyone heard the new record by Prong ?? It is impossible to > find here in Athens... It isn't out yet. However, my 5-song sampler tells me to go buy it when it arrives. It's quite good. Heavier in some parts, more melodic in others. An improvement over their last. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Then I heard the most horrible sound I ever heard in my life...and I knew...WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE ICE!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Seattle/Damned Comp & NW top 20 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1991 08:55:14 PDT Here's a few bits and peaces I thought might interest some of you. From the pages of "The Rocket", the Seattle music rag, there is an ad for a compilation y'all might dig. It reads: Another DAMNED Seattle Compilation A Northwest tribute to The Damned. Featuring Flop, Mudhoney, Freak, Posies, Coffin Break, Derelicts, Whitey, Gruntruck, Accused, Hammerbox, Motorhoney, Love Battery, Fastbacks Purdins, Big Satan, Inc., Gas Huffer, Skin Yard, and Young Fresh Fellows. CD $12, LP $8, Ltd Edition Import Gatefold w/ 7" - $12 Another Quality Product from Dashboard Hula Girl Records 4739 University Way NE Suite 1524 Seattle, WA 98105 Worldwide release date October 1st, order now, beat the rush. This might be kinda good, huh? Well, this is done in Rec.Music.Misc, so it MUST be cool. So I'll do it here: >From the Rocket.... Its the "Northwest Top 20" for the month of August: 1 Mudhoney, Every Boy Deserves Fudge (Sub Pop) 2 Alice in Chains, Facelift (Sony) Nirvana/Melvins, Velvet Underground Tribute 45 (Communion) 4 Hammerbox, Hammerbox CD (C/Z) 5 Skin Yard, 1000 Smiling Knuckles CD (Cruz) 6 Queensryche, Empire (EMI) 7 Accused, Straight Razor (NastyMix) Young Fresh Fellows, Electric Bird Digest (Frontier) 9 Temple of the Dog, Temple of the Dog (A&M) 10 Screaming Trees, Uncle Anesthesia (Epic) 11 Young Brians, Around Above Beyond Below 45 (4000 Holes) 12 Mudhoney, "Let it Slide" 45 (Sub Pop) 13 Screaming Trees, Anthology (SST) 14 Mother Love Bone, Apple (Polygram) Seaweed, Despissed (Sub Pop) 16 Various Artists, Estrus Half Rock Boxed Set (Estrus) Dan Reed Network, Heat (Polygram) Fastbacks, In America (Lost & Found) 19 Dub Squad, Tonic of the People (Tonic Media) Poison Idea, "Living in Vienna" 45 (American Leather) Reporting Stores: 7 from the Seattle Area, 2 from Spokane, WA, 1 from Walla Walla, WA, and one from Portland, OR. ...If you even care. :) Now I'm going back to bed, you do the same! John -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Scoop on Pearl Jam To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1991 11:29:56 PDT > Tim Hogbitch writes: > > p.s. I was off the list for a while, so someone please give me the > scoop on Pearl Jam. Thanks. > Well I dont know how much of a scoop you want, but the record is out. I like it, probably not as good a love bone, but still worth getting. I know there is a tour planned, but I'm not sure when it is going to start. They haven't played here in SEattle for a few weeks, so maybe they're out. I've seen 'em many times, and have always enjoyed them, so check it out if ya can. The other Mother Love Bone guitarist, Bruce Fairweather, or something like that, is in a band called Blind Horse now. I've seen them twice, they opened for Soundgarded last monday. The first time i wasn't impressed. I think I even slagged them on this list, but on monday I liked them much more. Maybe it was just my mood. I don't know if they have a deal or not, but not only do those mother love bone boys know whats right, they also know how to get record deals. They make it look so easy. Later, John -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gregory James Barish Subject: 2 concert reviews To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1991 16:37:41 -0700 if anyone cares, here are some notes about grunge related activity over my summer... 1. Hole/Nirvana/Dinosaur Jr Concert 06.14.91 Hollywood Palladium cool show. HOLE was not very well recieved by the audience, but i thought they played very well and their stage presence was good. courtney love r e a l l y gets into her songs... they played very uncompromisingly (a compliment - the crowd sucked) and went through about 7 songs. couldn't tell you what they were because i hadn't heard any of them until i got "pretty on the inside" this week. NIRVANA was amazing. story here - just as i got to the show, NIRVANA people were getting out of their van and we helped them take in a cabinet (speaker) and some equipment. while we were doing this, kurdt kobain played it off like he wasn't one of the band members and started asking me what i thought of the band. i told him and he goes "yeah...they're pretty cryptic, huh.." i think that just about sums it up. anyway, their performance was good - about oh 11-13 songs. no "mollys lips" - that sucked. they played a lot of new stuff and the usual "bleach" favorites (blew,floyd the barber,school,negative creep, big cheese, mr moustache). i didn't stick around for dj. 2. Love Battery/Dwarves/Afghan Whigs Concert sometime in August - Kennel Club (San Fran) okay, i'll make it briefer... LOVE BATTERY sounded killer although the crowd didn't like them (screams of "play faster!!!" were answered by the band screaming back "slow and heavy is cool!!!"). played about 7 songs. DWARVES were hilarious - coming out in their birthday suits and playing about 5 songs before leaving because they were pissed that the crowd wasn't slammin (another lame crowd). lead singer tossed a fireworks do-dad into the pseudo-pit and kept climbing the mountain of speaker cabinets in the area. AFGHAN WHIGS were kinda sarcastic towards the crowd. only "retarded" sounded any good. the singer publicly critcized a true-blue fan once for some ridiculous reason. and they kept playing encores even though they mostly sounded like crud. coming up: nirvana/sister double happiness on 10/25 mudhoney on 10/4 anyone want to go to either show? -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Russ Poldrack Subject: Sonics To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1991 20:41:46 CDT Does anyone out there have any info on this "legendary garage band"? Their records seem to be impossible to find. Russ rpoldrac@s.psych.uiuc.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blund Subject: Nirvana - Oh well, whatever, nevermind To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1991 14:45:59 +0200 Anyone else heard the new Nirvana LP? Bought it yesterday (it's been out all week in Europe). It's _not_ Bleach II ! A lot more clean sounding but still has some great songs IMHO. Territorial Pissings made me jump all around and generally act stupid. Smells Like Teen Spirit and In Bloom were the only songs I'd heard before (Reading Festival concert). They were better live.... Great cover as well. Another thing, I saw the video for Mudhoneys Good Enough this morning on Super Channel. Better than anything on eMpTy V..... John-Erik "He's the one that likes all our pretty songs and he likes to sing along but he does not know what it means" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NATASHA Subject: Nirvana, Mudhoney, ?? Skid Row ?? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1991 15:54:00 EDT Hi fellow grungers, This weekend Rockin' Jon and I saw The Melvins and Nirvana in Toronto. My opinion: Melvins- well they are definitely grunge.. no mistake about that but not in the least bit melodic. Now I'm not expecting sweet tunes here but I felt that all 45 minutes of their show seemed like a continuation of the same song.. I personally could not tell the difference between them very much. Nirvana: very good.. very loud.. my ears were very happy. I must remember to bring earplugs though.. I was standing next to the speakers to get a good view and to avoid being killed in the mosh pit.. not a smart thing.. Jon is bigger and braver so he occasionally wanders into the pit himself. Last night, i was watching eMpTV with Jon.. and a Mudhoney video came on. The name of the song escapes me *it's Monday alright* but I think we have it taped (VCR). Well anyways it was off 'Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge' and it was quite amusing.. well who says grunge bands have to be serious anyways. Jon also stated.. and I agree that Skid Row's new songs.. in particular "Slave To The Grind" are very heavy compared to their past recordings I've been bugging him to go see "Ned's Atomic Dustbin" with me.. but looks like I have to work anyways.. *sigh* have a nice monday afternoon, the grunge kitty *Renee* -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: More Sonic Youth idiocy from the mouth of an idiot To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1991 22:49:33 EDT John Sampson sez: >On the subject of _Daydream Nation_ ... >What's the connection between J. Mascis and "Teen Age Riot" ? Is the song >inspired by J. or about him? The lyrics seem to suggest so, and I have >read articles to that effect before. I have heard that it was written by Thurston from experience. I know they've worked with Mascis a lot, and Kim Gordon used to manage Dino Jr. until they went major label. I'm sure J may have had something to do with it, but I've never seen an confirmation. >Other good SY albums to try (after _DN_ of course): _Sister_, _EVOL_, >_Bad Moon Rising_. I would suggest avoiding _Sonic Death_, _The Whitey Album_ >and _Confusion Is Sex_ 'til you've adjusted a little. Don't want to scare >you away ... Hmmmm, well, _Confusion..._ is the first SY album I ever heard, and it was quite the introduction. It's more difficult than most of their other stuff, but it's powerful as well. Dave, gathering dust, tumbleweeds: >Not just your HO, Rob, but mine as well. There's something about _Daydream >Nation_ that you can't put your finger on, other than looking like a complete >disciple and saying, "It's fucking brilliant." There is no other way to >put it. Grungefiends, if you *haven't* heard this album, by all means get it, >strap it on your turntable, bolt it in your tape deck, or cement it into your >disc player, and listen. It's amazing. Couldn't have said it better myself. It's hard to really describe the sounds, the emotions, the feeling, the wash of sound, the total feeling of the chaos that runs through my mind... yeah, I know, I sound like an idiot, nothing new. But it's really worth giving a listen to. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NATASHA Subject: Re: that video To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1991 23:29:00 EDT > Just to let everybody know the name of the song that Mudhoney made the >video for was "Good Enough". I liked it alot. It was very funny and cool to >see the guys. I was surprised to see it though, but I'm glad to see it. Thanks!! :)) >I know what you mean Renee, Mondays are kinda slow, especially when you're in a >bad mood for not getting anybody to go see Nirvana friday night. Damn friends >just don't know what's good for them. :)> You are a hard person to get a hold of.. and believe me.. Jon really tried.. I was hoping we'd get to meet a fellow grunge-l'er.. maybe next concert.. *sigh* >If you wondering, I'm out here in Rochester. Let me know if there is anything >else cool coming there or Toronto. Stations around here have amnesia in the >grungy corner of their brains. Go figure. We will.. CFNY is a part of life.. and they announce all the cool stuff.. Hmm.. Pearl Jam is coming to Toronto around the 20th of October somewhere.. and Alice in Chains is opening up for Van Hasbeen :") on the 20th *exact date* in Buffalo. I hope Pearl Jam is not the 20th.. I really would like to see Alice in Chains :) other than that.. we'll keep ya posted.. oh wait.. The Goo Goo Dolls are playing This Friday in Toronto.. but we're not going.. we have other stuff planned. Tell us if any people come to Rochester also.. it's not a far drive.. :)) later grunge-l'ers Renee p.s. in 30 minutes.. Badmotorfinger will "officially" be released.. well most of us have already listened to it :)) bye! :)) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth Ann Schaefer Subject: Badmotorfinger To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 08:32:41 CDT Unfortunately "Badmotorfinger" is delayed for release until October 1. Beth. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: More Stuff at X in Rochester, NY To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 09:38:13 EDT >From Steven H. Waltman: >Just got the latest calendar from X in the mail. Here are the dates: > >9/26 New Model Army (one of only 13 U.S. dates) >10/13 Bob Mould (acoustic) w/ The Living >10/15 Murphy's Law, the Mighty Mighty Boss Tones, w/Funk-U >10/17 The Profiles, Soundgarden, It's Not us >10/28 Jonathan Richman >11/2 H.R. - Human Rights w/former members of Bad Brains Joe, mon, Soundgarden we are at! Might try to make New Model Army this Thursday. Jon, you and Renee wanna come down for SG? Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not waste precious resources too often. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: badmotorfinger To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 09:49:05 EDT Jon rambles: >Well to put the record straight, being to SOUNDGARDEN audiophile that I am, >"Room a thousand years wide" is a total re recording. Secondly I haven't >gone a day without listening to the album since I got it on Sunday. But I am >jaded. As I said If you like SOUNDGARDEN, you will love this album, if you >don't you won't. Well, I think I'm convinced, and since it's delayed until 10/1 my wallet is happy. >NIRVANA THIS FRIDAY IN TORONTO!!!!! Anyone else going? Besides THE MELVINS >and I? I'm going to see Nirvana this Saturday in NYC at the Marquee. Anyone know who's opening? >> Yipes! (buythealbum-buythealbumbuythealbumbuythealbum) By the way >That's funny that you mentioned it, but I didn't get into them by listening to >the single. I want to check them out though now due to all the talk on the >list. Has anyone out there bought Rein Sanction's LP? What's the story? Good, bad, ugly? Warning: it is short, like 30 minutes I think. Try to get vinyl if you can. A CD still stucks when you have less than 60 minutes o' music, I think. 30 minutes for 15 bucks is $.50 a minute. Wow! >I like G'n'R too. From initial listenings of the album I am disapointed. I I think I'm going to stay away from these unless I see them somewhere used. I really think _Appetite_ is a classic LP and I'd hate to lose my respect for them. Hopefully they won't sit on their butts for another square(n) years before doing the next one... Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not belch Barry Manilow songs at the dinner table. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Revised List Processor (1.7a) Subject: Delivery error notice sent to list GRUNGE-L To: HILGREEN@acsu.buffalo.edu Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 10:27:59 -0400 The enclosed mail file, found in the GRUNGE-L reader and shown under the spoolid 5704 in the console log, has been identified as a possible delivery error notice for the following reason: mail origin seems to be a mailer or mail-daemon. ------------------------- Message in error (54 lines) ------------------------- Received: from UBVM by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6182; Tue, 24 Sep 91 10:26:45 EDT Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with TCP; Tue, 24 Sep 91 10:26:39 EDT Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA05297 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 24 Sep 1991 09:27:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 09:27:04 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Message-Id: <199109241427.AA05297@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> To: GRUNGE-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 27 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- mail: /usr/spool/mail/nrw28954: too big (70067 bytes). Mail saved in dead.letter 554 ... unknown mailer error 27 ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05294 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 24 Sep 1991 09:27:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199109241427.AA05294@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3567; Tue, 24 Sep 91 10:26:04 EDT Received: from UBVM.BITNET by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6168; Tue, 24 Sep 91 10:26:02 EDT Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 10:23:00 EST Reply-To: Grunge Rock Discussion List Sender: Grunge Rock Discussion List From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: Oh god, please let it not be X-To: grunge-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Hey Grungesters, Almost flipping in my chair after seeing the posting for SOUNDGARDEN here in Rochester, I calle dthe club, X, to see about ticket info. I calle dtheir hot-line which is one of those noisy recordings blabbering about their dance nights and shows coming up. On Oct. 17th, they announce The Profiles with StoneGarden (Not soundgarden). I'm not sure who is right, the announcer might have read it wrong or that list got skewed when typed in. If anybody else got his mailing list from X or has any info on the Soundgarden tour dates, please post them. I feel like I had a bad trip. I was flipping one moment about the Soundgarden show, and then tripping and falling square on my face listening to that damned recording. Please help :( joe@rit Hey Jon and Renee, here's my address, this should work. Post if it doesn't. jjt7927@ritvax.isc.rit.edu on internet -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Sampson x20644 R12-2019 134385" To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 07:28:50 PDT >>Not just your HO, Rob, but mine as well. There's something about _Daydream >>Nation_ that you can't put your finger on, other than looking like a complete >>disciple and saying, "It's fucking brilliant." There is no other way to >>put it. Grungefiends, if you *haven't* heard this album, by all means get it, >>strap it on your turntable, bolt it in your tape deck, or cement it into your >>disc player, and listen. It's amazing. >Couldn't have said it better myself. It's hard to really describe the sounds, >the emotions, the feeling, the wash of sound, the total feeling of the chaos >that runs through my mind... yeah, I know, I sound like an idiot, nothing new. >But it's really worth giving a listen to. You know now that school's over there's almost a sad quality in _Daydream Nation_ for me. I can't put my finger on it, but the album almost sounds like a requiem for chaotic years gone by. _Daydream Nation_ is like an old friend... JS -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat Padua Subject: Sonics To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 10:31:15 EDT Etiquette reissued a few Lp's several years ago, but those seem to have fallen out of print. A CD on that label hs turned up at Tower (at import prices) and has most of their best songs. If i rememeber correctly, they hailed from ... Seattle! Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Public Enemy To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 10:44:00 EDT >Naw, really, I do like NWA and PE. Which reminds me, PE was scheduled >to release something on the 17th. If anyone has heard it, I would like >some opinions. You can email me, I dont know how many PE fans are on this >list. Yup, PE has a new album coming, and although it ain't grunge, I'd sure like to hear about it if someone gets an early copy. I think both joe@rit and Eric the Weenie are big PE fans too. So there's actually a good showing here, I think. Any others willing to step forward? It's called _Apocolypse '91_ by the way, and is due on Oct. 17th. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not burn leaves in my neighbor's yard. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Public Enemy To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 10:44:00 EDT >Naw, really, I do like NWA and PE. Which reminds me, PE was scheduled >to release something on the 17th. If anyone has heard it, I would like >some opinions. You can email me, I dont know how many PE fans are on this >list. Yup, PE has a new album coming, and although it ain't grunge, I'd sure like to hear about it if someone gets an early copy. I think both joe@rit and Eric the Weenie are big PE fans too. So there's actually a good showing here, I think. Any others willing to step forward? It's called _Apocolypse '91_ by the way, and is due on Oct. 17th. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not burn leaves in my neighbor's yard. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Cluff Subject: Youthful Sonics To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 10:47:00 EDT Ahh, I'm glad to see all the Sonics talk (and the Sonic Youth talk, for that matter). It is difficult, but not impossible to find their stuff, especially if you're willing to listen to them on Lp or cassette. I'm pretty sure they've been showcased on some of Rhino Records' Nuggets compilations. Also, Rhino had an album of Louie, Louie covers that included the Sonics' version (which even kicked Black Flag's pseudo-version). I have one of their full-length records, the famed "Here Are the Sonics!!!" which I adore. I don't have the record company address with me (and it may be an illegal import, I dunno), but if anyone so desires, I'll email or post it. In other matters, being another of the list's Western New Yorkers (Buffalo, to be exact), I'm interested in finding more about the X club in Rochacha... Mike Cluff -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Cluff Subject: Re: Public Enemy To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 10:49:00 EDT >Yup, PE has a new album coming, and although it ain't grunge, I'd sure like to >hear about it if someone gets an early copy. I think both joe@rit and Eric >the Weenie are big PE fans too. So there's actually a good showing here, I >think. Any others willing to step forward? Me! Me! Me! Depending on your grunge definition, I think PE could be weasled in, especially since they use dissonance as a power tool. Any obviously grunge rap acts you can think of? There are some songs on the new De La Soul that toe the line. (Hey, even Funkadelic got a bit grungy) Mike Cluff -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Newell R Washburn Subject: Pitch Shifter To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 10:01:37 -0500 Howdy Grungers, A band you might want to keep an eye out for is Pitch Shifter. They're on Deaf Records which puts out Earache sort of stuff. They're scary as hell; the scariest part being that they print their lyrics and even though you can't understand a word they're saying you can read along. Anyways, they have an album out called "Industrial" and if Sub-pop is getting a little too phomogeneous check this out. Since someone brought up the Sonic Youth Band I thought I'd also mention the Dust Devils. They were also from New York (they recently broke up) and are quite sonic themselves. They were around for something like 7 years so they're not a SYB tribute band. Some of their stuff is on Matador including their last one, "Struggling, Electric and Chemical" which I like a lot (if that means anything). Does anyone know if the Laughing Hyenas have a new album coming out? NW in C-U -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: eric sinclair Subject: Re: Public Enemy To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 10:04:11 EST Quoth Rob Vaughn: > Yup, PE has a new album coming, and although it ain't grunge, I'd sure like to > hear about it if someone gets an early copy. I think both joe@rit and Eric > the Weenie are big PE fans too. So there's actually a good showing here, I > think. Any others willing to step forward? > > It's called _Apocolypse '91_ by the way, and is due on Oct. 17th. I've heard the first track off this a couple times, in its iterations (from radio to psemi-dance mixes), and it doesn't really thrill me all that much - it seems like a non-forward move for the guys. Of course, I thgink Yo! Bum Rush... is their best album in many respects, and that their most recent is their least quality. So sue me! Eric, not the weenie, I think........ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Mr. Bungle To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 08:05:11 PDT I have some questions about Mr. Bungle. Now, I know their not grunge, but I want info and I don't know where else to turn.:( (Rec.Music.Misc sorta makes me ill sometimes). Anyway, I bought the disc on Saturday with new Fugazi and a Love Battery disc, and I can't stop listening to the Mr. Bungle. I know Mike Patton of Faith No More fame is on vocals, but does anyone know who the other musicians are, I mean their REAL names. Are they people I might know of? I am under the impression that this is Mike Patton's old band before FNM and they just got back together to record this album, is that correct? Has anyone seen 'em live in SF, (or elsewhere)? How were they, and are they planning a tour of any kind. Thanks John -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Public Enemy To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 11:11:17 EDT > Yup, PE has a new album coming, and although it ain't grunge, I'd sure like to > hear about it if someone gets an early copy. I think both joe@rit and Eric > the Weenie are big PE fans too. So there's actually a good showing here, I > think. Any others willing to step forward? Uh, gee, where'd that line in my .sig come from? PE and NWA are SWEET. Ever take a sampler and try to make music like PE does? People think it's easy, but it takes a hell of a lot of talent. And let us not forget Ice Cube, Ice-T, and the man, Slick Rick. Meanwhile, ever hear the Ghetto Boys? They're on Def American. I've got a song called "Fuck 'Em" which is about the angriest thing I've ever heard. I used to listen to it 4 or 5 times on the way to work, which was a mistake sometimes. Good stuff. But hey, this ain't grunge. Maybe we should start a "white-boys-appreciate-rap" group :-) -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Get up, get, get, get down...911 is a joke in your town. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 11:36:20 EDT Newell Washbum saith: >A band you might want to keep an eye out for is Pitch Shifter. They're on I've heard some good things about this band, along with "they're a Godflesh clone/ripoff". Sounds good to me. Anyone have this yet? Where can I get it, preferably mail-order? Eric? > Since someone brought up the Sonic Youth Band I thought I'd also mention >the Dust Devils. They were also from New York (they recently broke up) and are >quite sonic themselves. When did they break up? I didn't know they were from NY, although they have stuff out on Matador, which is an NYC indie label. I thought they were from North Carolina, or something like that. They have released everything on the Teen Beat label, which I think some members of the band may be involved with and/or own, and I think that's based in Washington D.C. Eric, can you get the poop on this? Are there any other albums besides _Struggling..._ and _Geek Drip_? >They were around for something like 7 years so they're >not a SYB tribute band. I don't know about that. SY has been around since 1980 (hard to believe, huh?) which makes 11 years, at least. I borrowed and listened to _Struggling_ and there were a lot of SY influences there, including one or two copied chops and a lot of similar guitar tunings. But it's an excellent album (IMHO, I'm ordering a copy from Matador RSN (real soon now)) and I think it's very flattering. It gets pretty weird in places, and that's where the band really stands out, I think. I guess I'm trying to say that although I wouldn't call them a tribute band, I found too much in common with early SY (_Confusion is Sex_ and _Bad Moon Rising_) to think that they aren't heavily influenced by them. Which is okay by me, 'cause they do a fantastic job, and SY's sound has progressed much since then. >Does anyone know if the Laughing Hyenas have a new album coming out? Their latest, _Life of Crime_, has been out for almost a year now, but they've only put out two albums and an EP since late 1984, so I wouldn't hold your breath. I don't know if there's anything new coming up. I recommend their stuff highly. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not burp in class. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: sorry people To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 10:53:00 EST Hey Grungers, Sorry to burst bubbles, but the way it looks. That listing of X band dates was kinda screwed. It looks like that StoneGarden, NOT Soundgarden, is playing at X on Oct. 17th. Sorry for the miscommunication. It really burned me to find out that someone typed in the wrong word. Man oh man, I'm bumming. :)> Rob blabbered something about PE and some talk, yea sure. I'd be into that. All the wackos on the news groups don't know their head from their ass, let alone what good rap is. :)> Alot of good stuff coming out in the next couple of weeks. Ouuch, my wallet hurts already. Hey, anybody know if Nirvana's new one came out today? Gotta get that one. joe@rit Home of the TLA's -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Mr. Bungle To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 11:53:38 EDT > I am under the impression that this is Mike Patton's old band before FNM > and they just got back together to record this album, is that correct? I've got it too, and the fact above is all I can confirm. I'd like to know who else in on it. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Get up, get, get, get down...911 is a joke in your town. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Cluff Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 12:00:00 EDT >> Since someone brought up the Sonic Youth Band I thought I'd also mention >>the Dust Devils. They were also from New York (they recently broke up) and are >>quite sonic themselves. >When did they break up? I didn't know they were from NY, although they have >stuff out on Matador, which is an NYC indie label. I thought they were from >North Carolina, or something like that. They have released everything on the >Teen Beat label, which I think some members of the band may be involved with >and/or own, and I think that's based in Washington D.C. Struggling, Electric & Chemical was a Matador/TeenBeat co-release. Teen Beat is the home label of DC's Unrest, a brainchild of Mark Robinson (or Mark E). Dustdevils are good friends with Unrest (and their spinoffs like Clarence), so the Teen Beat issue was fostered. I'm pretty good friends with Mark (at least, we say hi to each other once in awhile and I spent new years '91 at his abode), but I'm more friends with Unrest's drummer, who I roomed with and played with in college... So, if anyone needs any TB stuff, let me know... Mike Cluff mike%luick@ubvms or v22964qs@ubvms -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Mr. Bungle To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 12:02:12 EDT John utters: >Anyway, I bought the disc on Saturday with new Fugazi and a Love Battery >disc, and I can't stop listening to the Mr. Bungle. How's about mini-reviews of all three of these? Which Love Battery is it, matter of fact, what does anyone know about that band? Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not give Elvis the finger. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Revised List Processor (1.7a) Subject: Delivery error notice sent to list GRUNGE-L To: HILGREEN@acsu.buffalo.edu Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 12:36:49 -0400 The enclosed mail file, found in the GRUNGE-L reader and shown under the spoolid 7470 in the console log, has been identified as a possible delivery error notice for the following reason: mail origin seems to be a mailer or mail-daemon. ------------------------- Message in error (54 lines) ------------------------- Received: from UBVM by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9078; Tue, 24 Sep 91 12:34:41 EDT Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with TCP; Tue, 24 Sep 91 12:34:23 EDT Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA22234 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 24 Sep 1991 11:34:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 11:34:48 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Message-Id: <199109241634.AA22234@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> To: GRUNGE-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 27 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- mail: /usr/spool/mail/nrw28954: too big (70067 bytes). Mail saved in dead.letter 554 ... unknown mailer error 27 ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22226 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 24 Sep 1991 11:34:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199109241634.AA22226@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3971; Tue, 24 Sep 91 12:33:52 EDT Received: from UBVM.BITNET by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9067; Tue, 24 Sep 91 12:33:50 EDT Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 12:31:23 EDT Reply-To: Grunge Rock Discussion List Sender: Grunge Rock Discussion List From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Re: Badmotorfinger X-To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L In-Reply-To: <9109241334.AA16506@acsu.buffalo.edu>; from "Beth Ann Schaefer" at Sep 24, 91 8:32 am > Unfortunately "Badmotorfinger" is delayed for release until October 1. > You herd it here first! 8) And I thought everyone else was right and I was wrong when I said the first week of October. Anyhow it is a bummer. 8( Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Revised List Processor (1.7a) Subject: Delivery error notice sent to list GRUNGE-L To: HILGREEN@acsu.buffalo.edu Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 12:56:12 -0400 The enclosed mail file, found in the GRUNGE-L reader and shown under the spoolid 7623 in the console log, has been identified as a possible delivery error notice for the following reason: mail origin seems to be a mailer or mail-daemon. ------------------------- Message in error (62 lines) ------------------------- Received: from UBVM by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9313; Tue, 24 Sep 91 12:54:53 EDT Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with TCP; Tue, 24 Sep 91 12:54:40 EDT Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA25128 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 24 Sep 1991 11:55:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 11:55:03 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Message-Id: <199109241655.AA25128@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> To: GRUNGE-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 27 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- mail: /usr/spool/mail/nrw28954: too big (70067 bytes). Mail saved in dead.letter 554 ... unknown mailer error 27 ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25112 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 24 Sep 1991 11:55:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199109241655.AA25112@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3994; Tue, 24 Sep 91 12:54:03 EDT Received: from UBVM.BITNET by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9243; Tue, 24 Sep 91 12:54:00 EDT Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 12:52:53 EDT Reply-To: Grunge Rock Discussion List Sender: Grunge Rock Discussion List From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Re: Public Enemy X-To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L In-Reply-To: <9109241445.AA18546@acsu.buffalo.edu>; from "Rob Vaughn" at Sep 24, 91 10:44 am > Yup, PE has a new album coming, and although it ain't grunge, I'd sure like > to hear about it if someone gets an early copy. I think both joe@rit and > Eric the Weenie are big PE fans too. So there's actually a good showing > here, I think. Any others willing to step forward? > It's called _Apocolypse '91_ by the way, and is due on Oct. 17th. > Hi. I am down with the PE too! In fact I just saw a commercial that said that PE will be on "Yo! eMpTyV Raps all week long and they will be doing there new single (name escapes me right now) live on Friday. They will also be previewing their new video on Saturday. For more details watch eMpTyV at 4:30 this week. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Revised List Processor (1.7a) Subject: Delivery error notice sent to list GRUNGE-L To: HILGREEN@acsu.buffalo.edu Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 13:11:07 -0400 The enclosed mail file, found in the GRUNGE-L reader and shown under the spoolid 7880 in the console log, has been identified as a possible delivery error notice for the following reason: mail origin seems to be a mailer or mail-daemon. ------------------------- Message in error (73 lines) ------------------------- Received: from UBVM by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9755; Tue, 24 Sep 91 13:09:48 EDT Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with TCP; Tue, 24 Sep 91 13:09:44 EDT Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA27299 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 24 Sep 1991 12:10:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 12:10:05 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Message-Id: <199109241710.AA27299@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> To: GRUNGE-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 27 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- mail: /usr/spool/mail/nrw28954: too big (70067 bytes). Mail saved in dead.letter 554 ... unknown mailer error 27 ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27289 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 24 Sep 1991 12:10:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199109241710.AA27289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4055; Tue, 24 Sep 91 13:09:08 EDT Received: from UBVM.BITNET by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9729; Tue, 24 Sep 91 13:09:05 EDT Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 13:07:03 EDT Reply-To: Grunge Rock Discussion List Sender: Grunge Rock Discussion List From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Re: Mr. Bungle X-To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L In-Reply-To: <9109241545.AA20599@acsu.buffalo.edu>; from "John Haas" at Sep 24, 91 8:05 am > I have some questions about Mr. Bungle. Now, I know their not grunge, > but I want info and I don't know where else to turn.:( (Rec.Music.Misc > sorta makes me ill sometimes). > You too? > Anyway, I bought the disc on Saturday with new Fugazi and a Love Battery > disc, and I can't stop listening to the Mr. Bungle. > You too? I bought mine two weeks ago though. > I know Mike Patton of Faith No More fame is on vocals, but does anyone know > who the other musicians are, I mean their REAL names. Are they people I > might know of? I am under the impression that this is Mike Patton's old > band before FNM and they just got back together to record this album, is that > correct? > I think they are nobody famous. As Mike put it to me, it is his "other" band. So I don't know if "got back together" is the right term. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Love Battery To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 11:27:09 PDT > > Rob utters: > > How's about mini-reviews of all three of these? Which Love Battery is it, > matter of fact, what does anyone know about that band? > I would like to listen to the Love Battery and Fugazi a few more times before I review em, but the first listens were positive in both cases, even though the Fugazi didn't bring tears to my eyes. I guess its gotta be seen. As for Love Battery, I think they are from here in Seattle. I saw them about a month ago and liked them. At the end of the set the singer said they had something coming out soon on SubPop. When I saw the disc saturday, i thought this might be it, but the copyright is 1990, so I guess not. I bought it anyway. It has seven songs and is about 25 mins. It is also on SubFopp. Its called "Between the Eyes". It is produced by Jack Endino (a shock!) and was recorded in '89. The last song is called "Ibiza Bar" and is copywritten in 1969. I don't think these guys are that old, so it must be a cover. Anyone know by whom? John -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: Love Battery To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 12:49:06 -0600 Somehow, I got the idea that it was either Pink Floyd or Syd Barrett, but I'm not sure where from (if there isn't a writers credit--the disk is one of those god-awful (packaging-wise) Tupelo pseudo-imports). However, it isn't on any of Syd's or Syd Floyd's legitimate releases. Actually, I just talked to the local resident Floyd expert, and he says it's a Pink Floyd (post Barrett) song on the *More* soundtrack. Now you know. soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Russ Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 12:31:57 PDT > Newell Washbum saith: > > >A band you might want to keep an eye out for is Pitch Shifter. They're on > > I've heard some good things about this band, along with "they're a Godflesh > clone/ripoff". Sounds good to me. Anyone have this yet? Where can I get it, > preferably mail-order? Eric? There is no better description for Pitch Shifter than "Godflesh clones". That doesn't mean they're not good (they are) or that they're just a weak imitation (they aren't). Actually I think their album overall is a little better than Godflesh's "Streetcleaner" since their songs are a little more, er, "normal", and rely a little less on randomish feedback. I like both albums a lot and would like to find more groups in this area. (Yes, they have a drum machine too, though` that doesn't bother me) ... By the way, I had no problem finding the Pitch Shifter CD at Tower Records -- it wasn't even in the import section ... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 15:49:54 EDT Eric the Weenie respondeth: I am definitely a P.E. fan. I'd have to say I DO think they are getting better, not caring much for the gun-totin' bitch-slammin' gangster shit of _Yo, Bum Rush the Show_ (actually, I don't mean to imply that P.E. themselves are misogynistic, but I do think the gangster thing is, in general. Look at NWA), while still marvelling at the forceful eloquence of _Fear of a Black Planet_. I've heard that the Bomb Squad isn't producing any more P.E. albums after this. I guess we should be prepared for some sorta shift in sound.... [I'll also put my two-cents' worth in for EPMD, Eric B. and Rakim, Young Black Teenagers, Stetsasonic, De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest, Third Bass, Ice Cube, and Ice (Mother-Fuckin') T; and the Beasties, even if they are silly.] The Ghetto Boys: I'm still not sure if this is one-and-the-same band with the Geto Boys (sic) (outta Houston), but if it is (and these guys are REALLY angry, yep; with good reason....Houston's wards are no fun place to live) here's an interesting anecdote. The MC for the Geto Boys (don't have his name) lost his eye recently from a gunshot wound; apparently there was an argument involving his girlfriend, with an eyewitness even (that makes 3 different versions of what actually happened...). Anyway, they decided it would make a good cover for their album (?) to photograph him the day after the shooting... (I can't say I admire their approach, righteous or not.) PITCHSHIFTER: I'm still waiting for the postman to bring me my copy (last I heard, it was available from Silent Records mail order....come on, Rob, get with it....they have that excellent _Pathological_ comp, too, with faves like Godflesh, Napalm Death, Carcass, Terminal Cheesecake, Silverfish, (and don't forget the odd Coil track).... some fairly grungy stuff mixed in! Post-ers on the nm-list seem to relegate these guys to Godflesh-clone-hood without any new angle, but even if it's true, I'm there. How come no one ever mentions Treponem Pal, though? They seem to me to be another grindcore outfit with balls well worth checking out. Roadracer. And THE YOUNG GODS.....they ARE that. The long road never seemed so short........ DUSTDEVILS: I really really like _Struggling Electric and Chemical_, SY rip or not. It's good noisy music, and (as Rob sez) it shines in the weird bits especially. Wanna get some more. (Hip priest!!) THE BIG ONE compilation of Bay Area/LA bands: Has anyone mentioned this? It's been out a while longer than I've been on this list, but I'll risk redundancy. I was expecting a bit more from this than I got (fortunately, I got it used). There's a lot of material (24 or so tracks, including some from _City of Power_ [?]), but it ranges in quality a lot. I was excited to see things like Victim's Family and Big Drill Car that have been buzzing on the list lately, but these didn't measure up on first listen. (I really should listen some more before issuing final verdict.) I did like the Clawhammer and Steel Pole Melvins Taskforce (a hybrid of Melvins and S.P. Bathtub? Gawd almighty!) a lot; and the standout track had to be the L7, which in itself made the $10.70 purchase worthwhile. I'll provide a more researched evaluation when my life calms down a bit. To stir things up a bit: PSEUDO-GRUNGE What are the grungiest songs you can think of which have been recorded by distinctly non-grunge bands? I'm sure this Q isn't original, but how 'bout another round.....I was listening to "Christian Says" and "Go!" by Tones on Tail the other day, and they feature the most beautifully-fuzzed guitar.... (could even throw in "Double Dare" or whatever-it's-called by Bauhaus) I'd say the first Ultravivid Scene album is sorta grungy the way J&M Chain is.... the vocals are just too "nice" though. Some more do's and don't's for Rob's living room pit tips (palindrome!): Do remove your glasses before entering the lion's den. Do lock arms and play whirling dervishes. Do keep your elbows down. Don't stand next to Joe or Rob (unless you're ready to go back in). Don't vomit afterwards. Don't get pinned in the corner (yeah, right....). Come on, folks, let's get the discussion on living room moshes going! I wanna know what I've missed out on all these years... Well, sorry this post is so long. Probably should have broken it up, but there you have it. Eric Avera avera@astrosun.TN.CORNELL.EDU -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: Public Enemy To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 12:56:37 PDT I'm just so excited I have to tell all of you! I got second row seats for Anthrax, Public Enemy and Primus on Oct. 26. This one better not get cancelled! I've been thinking for awhile that I wanted to be Flavor Flav for holloween this year. Its going to co-incide nicely with the new realease. Whatta ya say folks! The whole gruge-l gang should get together in, um... Boise Idaho and have a "come as your favorite rap star" holloween party! Maybe 22 Capen Hall would be a better place. You decide! John haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 15:59:18 EDT Eric the Weenie respondeth: >I've heard that the Bomb Squad isn't producing any more P.E. albums after this That is the most depressing rumor I've heard all year. Why would they do that? >The Ghetto Boys: I'm still not sure if this is one-and-the-same band with Geto Boys and Ghetto Boys are two different bands, yes, yup. >heard, it was available from Silent Records mail order....come on, Rob, get My wallet hates you, bud. It wishes you dead. >DUSTDEVILS: I really really like _Struggling Electric and Chemical_, SY rip _Geek Drip_ and an old single are available directly from Matador Records. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 16:10:39 EDT Mike Cluff orates: >Struggling, Electric & Chemical was a Matador/TeenBeat co-release. Teen Beat >is the home label of DC's Unrest, a brainchild of Mark Robinson (or Mark E). >Dustdevils are good friends with Unrest (and their spinoffs like Clarence), so >the Teen Beat issue was fostered. I'm pretty good friends with Mark (at least >we say hi to each other once in awhile and I spent new years '91 at his abode) >but I'm more friends with Unrest's drummer, who I roomed with and played with >in college... So, if anyone needs any TB stuff, let me know... So when did Dustdevils break up, if at all? I've been looking for anything from Unrest since I got their SubSnot single, and Matador has yet to release the new album by them or Unsane yet... errr. Yes, let's hear more about Teen Beat stuff. They do mail order, asks the postman's best friend himself? Wot about Unrest? Who exactly are they? I was going to order the "She's My Skinhead Girl" single sometime soon (illiteration). ...sentence fragment... No, Eric Avera is the weenie, not Mr. Sinclair. Unless, of course, you'd like to be. I think Avera would be willing to share the title. :) Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not be, or not to be, will I. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Cluff Subject: Unrestability (was Re: Pitch Shifter) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 16:37:00 EDT >So when did Dustdevils break up, if at all? I've been looking for anything >from Unrest since I got their SubSnot single, and Matador has yet to release >the new album by them or Unsane yet... errr. As far as I know, DD broke up over the summer. From what I've heard, they had some serious addictions to work over. (I'm not sure that's why, though.) A friend of mine says the band members are the nicest but the strangest folks you'll ever meet -- kind of appropriate given their music. As for Unrest, they have two nationally distributed albums out: "Malcolm X Park" and "Kustom Karnal Blaxploitation". Both are pretty neat, but Unrest are very unpredictable and require an open mind, so I have a hard time recommending them to just anyone. They should be putting out a new album very soon, says drummer Phil, and it should even include some (gasp!) SAMPLING... While the first two LPs were on Caroline, Unrest were pretty unhappy about their lack of promotion and distribution for them, so they're doing a co-release with Caroline and some other lesser-known company like No. 6 records. I think their first two albums are coming out on CD, too. >Yes, let's hear more about Teen Beat stuff. They do mail order, asks the >postman's best friend himself? Wot about Unrest? Who exactly are they? I >was going to order the "She's My Skinhead Girl" single sometime soon >(illiteration). ...sentence fragment... Yup, they do mail order. I'll send the address soon. Problem is, all mail orders are handled by Mark Robinson alone, so they can be late sometimes. (Of course, the one major order I ever transacted was >$50, and half of it was stuff that wasn't out yet, to be fair) As for Unrest, they have kind of a Golden Palominos-ish setup. Guitarist/singer/songwriter Mark Robinson (Mark E) and drummer Phil Krauth are the axis, while bassists, guitarists, and cellists (!!) tend to change hands. By the way, I recommend the "Skinhead Girl" single, which is sublime, IMHO. So is "Cherry, Cherry", especially if you like Wedding Present. Mike Cluff mike%luick@ubvms -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: woj%REMUS.RUTGERS.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: dust devils To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 16:50:55 EDT i've got four releases of theirs: the aforementioned _geek drip_ and _strug- gling electric and chemical_ as well as a single called _the dropping well_ and a lp called _glitterlight_, both of which are on rouska records. both are excellent. go get. and i think i might even like them better than sonic youth as well...but that is undecided. yes, rob, i picked up the rein sanction release last weekend (on lp no less), but haven't gotten to listening to it yet. should i rob'n'eric-proof my living room? nirvana on saturday...yow. woj@remus.rutgers.edu - smou/dj-for-hire - cutting out a silouette of dreams -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 16:13:00 EST Hey Grungesters, OK, Rob and Eric keep bugging for more tips on Living Room Mosh techniques, so I figured being the instigator of their interest, I'd list some of mine that come to mind at work. I'm sure I'd think of more at the time of the mosh, but I can't do it here. THere's too much expensive equipment in my office. :)> Hope you like it, and feel free to add to it. Mosh on! Some Tips for Hosting a Living Room Mosh Fest. ----------------------------------------------- o Most definitely give your glasses to a cute young girl to hold o Make sure there's enough grunge and noise to keep it going o Make sure you got a friend to run up and down the stairs to change songs o Make sure you got plenty of Mudhoney and Pixies to play o Keep stereo, TV, computer, and anything else electronic upstairs (this was said before, but it is very important) o Don't worry about furniture, you can grow more o Or, make sure you got fishing line to sew up the couches o Make sure there are ample platforms to dive off of (ie. couch backs, chairs) o Keep a picture full of water around to periodically throw on the pit O'sin o Get everybody's name so you don't feel like a dink when people come up to you on campus and say 'Hi Joe, what's up. Great Mosh man' and you don't know their stinking names. :)> o Let them know your name so they can say "Hi Joe, what's up. Great Mosh man" and you can say "Yo..." {damn I forgot his name too} o Make sure your roomies don't mind a mess in the morning, not to mention their broken furniture o Keep your hat stapled to your head at all times o Keep all the inconsistant moshers in the pit at all times :)> o And last but not least, Invite everybody back to do it again. YEAAAAAAAA joe@rit (Master of the Living Room Mosh) Home of the TLA's -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat Padua Subject: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 17:16:33 EDT Excuse my youthful ignorance, but what is "MOSH" ? Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 17:31:09 EDT This does not claim to be the true semiology of the word, but.... "Mosh" ( I think ) was originally used to refer to thrashing (i.e. "slam- dancing" [yuk - something grandmothers say now] or "skanking" [sorta, although this has other denotations, too]) done at speed metal shows (as opposed to hardcore shows). But for me, thrash=mosh=slam=skank=something you do at your own risk in a "pit." Like what might happen in your living room if you happen to invite the wrong people. Right, woj? -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: love Subject: Re: Pussy Galore To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 14:32:43 PDT Anyone have a Pussy Galore discography? This what I know of: Dial M for Motherfucker LP Right Now LP Sugar Shit Sharp EP La Historia del Rock LP "Seattle" on _Gigantic 2: A Rought Trade/Melody Maker Compilation_ For the uninitiated, PG is grungy rock, out-of-tune guitars, weird percussion, and screaming/singing. They're so bad, they're good, if you know what I mean. In fact, I figure that they can only sound that untalented because they ARE talented. I have Dial M and Right Now, but I hear La Historia sucks big time. Also, if there are any industrial fans on this bboard, check out Sugar Shit Sharp, as they do a wicked cover of Einstuerzende's "Yu-Gung" as only Pussy Galore could do it ("Feeder my ego, feeder my ego, MOTHERFUCKER!"). -d -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat Padua Subject: Re: Pussy Galore To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 17:38:35 EDT PG also did a limited edition cover of the Stones' Exile on Main Street. I only saw this once, and it was a one-disc bootleg that covered half the (stones) album. Does anyone out there have the whole thing? Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat Padua Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 17:40:37 EDT I sorta like the sound of "living room slam" or "living room skank" better, though. "mosh" sounds mellow , somewhat vegetarian, the kind of scene where someone would slap on a Tom Rush album or something. Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: Re: Pussy Galore To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 17:43:02 EDT Don't forget _Pussy Gold 500_; I think it's about half live, half not, but someone else will have to give the final word. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Pussy Galore To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 18:15:11 EDT >Anyone have a Pussy Galore discography? This what I know of: Here it is with an edition and proper chrono-order. I've never heard of that Stones' cover bootleg but I'd love to get my hands on it. It definitely sounds like something PG would pull off. Groovy Hate Fuck LP (Vinyl Drip SUK1) Pussy Gold 5000 EP (Buy Our Records BOR-12-010) Right Now LP (Caroline CAROL 1337) Sugar Shit Sharp EP (Caroline CAROL 1364) Dial M for Motherfucker LP (Caroline CAROL 1369) La Historia del Rock LP (Caroline CAROL 1618) "Seattle" on _Gigantic 2: A Rought Trade/Melody Maker Compilation_ >In fact, I figure that they can only sound that untalented because they ARE >talented. Total agreement here. People might also want to check out Boss Hog, which has members of PG and basically is a continuation of the PG manifesto, if y'all ask me. >I have Dial M and Right Now, but I hear La Historia sucks big time. Lots of people have said that, but I think it's a pretty good album. Better than Dial M, I think. Definitely good enough for PG. I like it. If Dave Angst posted this, Dave, your mail's been bouncing, help me out, send me a valid address and I'll send all these time-pertainent messages that no longer mean anything... Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- Elmer's Glue is not good for kitty consumption. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat Padua Subject: Re: Pussy Galore To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 18:26:11 EDT Is Julia Cafritz in Boss Hog? I don't think she's in the Historia del Rock line-up. She looks like someone who worked in Olsson's in DC (when it was called Record and Tape Ltd) several years ago. Does anyone know about this? She's hot. Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Renee Hawkins Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 15:27:17 -0700 Pat says: >I sorta like the sound of "living room slam" or "living room skank" >better, though. "mosh" sounds mellow , somewhat vegetarian, the kind of >scene where someone would slap on a Tom Rush album or something. Watch what you say, not all livingroom-slamming-skanking-moshing- grungsters are meat-eaters. I've heard the term "mosh" is used out here on the West coast more often, is that true? -a different Renee -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Re: Pussy Galore and bouncing dave To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Tue, 24 Sep 91 18:30:33 EDT >>I have Dial M and Right Now, but I hear La Historia sucks big time. > > Lots of people have said that, but I think it's a pretty good album. Better > than Dial M, I think. Definitely good enough for PG. I like it. > I agree with my pal Rob! > If Dave Angst posted this, Dave, your mail's been bouncing, help me out, > send me a valid address and I'll send all these time-pertainent messages > that no longer mean anything... > I droped him he's been bouncing for days. > Elmer's Glue is not good for kitty consumption. > Ouch! From a cat lover! Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Just to bug you... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 18:32:46 EDT Just to annoy all and bragish: I just shelled out for the new Cult and Nirvana. So it's in stores, and it's called _Nevermind_ and Butch Vig was in on the production and engineering (he does Laughing Hyenas) and it's "Done by special arrangement with SubPop" (whatever that means) and well, heck, I'm gonna listen to it right now. I'll do the review thing later. Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Pussy Hog and Boss Galore To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 19:53:01 EDT Pat Padude-ah queries: >Is Julia Cafritz in Boss Hog? Nope, but Christina, formerly of PG is. Julia left the band after _Dial M_ and did not appear on _Historia_. I don't know what she's up to now. The female on the Boss Hog LP cover is neither of them, that's for sure. I know Jon Spenser and Kurt Wolf from PG are also in Boss Hog, and I'm very curious about what happened to Bob Bert, who was also in Sonic Youth. I like his use of metal for percussion, even if Einestrudezen Neubauten did it first. >Does anyone know about this? She's hot. Well, not to be a nah-sayer, but I've seen some pictures of Julia when she's not all made up and posed nicely by a photographer, and she seems to be a tubby, pouty, prude. The picture on the back of _Groovy Hate Fuck_ is much less than flattering. Not that it matters much, I guess, but I'm always amazed at how good people look in a picture taken by a good photographer as compared to what they really look like. Not a problem I have. I usually look like shit, picture or no. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not use stupid signature files. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 19:58:42 EDT >I sorta like the sound of "living room slam" or "living room skank" >better, though. "mosh" sounds mellow , somewhat vegetarian, the kind of >scene where someone would slap on a Tom Rush album or something. My thoughts exactly, although Anthrax's "Caught In A Mosh" is a pretty cranking and funny tune. I can see it now - I'm walking through the Ithaca Commons, surrounded by granolas, when one asks, "Excuse me sir, do you have a quarter for some mosh? I haven't eaten all week." I guess "slamming" has some negative connotations, so I prefer "skanking", since few people know of its drug-related meanings. Speaking of which, I was talking with a friend the other day, and she brought up a good question I bombed on: where did names like "ska" and "rap" come from? "Rock 'n' roll" is old, old southern black slang for sex, aka "Rockin' and Rollin'" and I've heard a bit about the Jass -> Jazz origins. Any of you doryophores out there have a clue? Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dougo%SODA.BERKELEY.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 19:24:22 -0700 Rob: > >I like G'n'R too. From initial listenings of the album I am disapointed. > > I think I'm going to stay away from these unless I see them somewhere used. > I really think _Appetite_ is a classic LP and I'd hate to lose my respect > for them. Hopefully they won't sit on their butts for another square(n) > years before doing the next one... I've listened to them all the way through once so far (Yow! 2 1/2 hours of GNR is an awful lot) and I was pretty impressed. I was expecting them to have gone commercial or glam or something, but just the opposite. Most of the songs sound even less produced than _Appetite_, and most are a lot meaner too. There are a few that should have been saved for the "Unreleased tracks" compilation ten years from now for collectors only, but only a few. (Speaking of sitting on butts for n^2 years, I heard that Def Leppard is gonna release an album by the end of the year, as a four-piece, then search for another guitarist to join them live. Just in case you care.) And speaking of GNR, a local DJ ("Lawrence Livermore", obviously not his real name) on the Cal station KALX played the new Nirvana song, and followed it up with a diatribe against Mr. David Geffen, because he signs "bands like Guns and Roses who sing about killing fags, when Mr. Geffen is obviously a flaming example". (Note the quotes, I'm not saying this, he is.) Well, I thought it was funny. I guess you had to be there. And speaking of DGC, I can think of four cool bands on the label so far: Nirvana, GNR, Sonic Youth, and the Stone Roses. Who else is on this label? Eric: > To stir things up a bit: PSEUDO-GRUNGE > What are the grungiest songs you can think of which have been recorded by > distinctly non-grunge bands? I'm sure this Q isn't original, but how 'bout > another round.....I was listening to "Christian Says" and "Go!" by Tones on > Tail the other day, and they feature the most beautifully-fuzzed guitar.... Also check out Love & Rockets' "Motorcycle". If that ain't grunge, what is? Then there's always the Beatles' "Helter Skelter" and "I Want You/She's So Heavy". And Rob claims that some of the Cure songs are grungy, but I don't know which ones ("Prayers for Rain", maybe?) The other Renee: > I've heard the term "mosh" is used out here on the West coast more often, > is that true? Well, I first heard the term in the Anthrax song "Caught in a Mosh", and I heard they stole it from the NY hardcore scene. But it's become a pretty unversal term for what happens in the pit when everybody runs around in a big circle. Slamming is another part of it, when someone tries to go across or against the tide. And I always thought skanking was what people do up on stage before they dive off. Maybe those are just Bay-Area-specific connotations. >From personal experience, I'd say that Primus and Anthrax are the two best mosh bands. (Call me a wimp, but I think it's even more fun to watch a mosh than to be in one.) I can imagine the chaos when they both play the same night! Rob again: > I just shelled out for the new Cult and Nirvana. So does Nirvana have a song called "Cult"? They should return the favor. Which reminds me: "Phoenix" by the Cult would be another "Pseudo-grunge" song... I'll leave you with one more tidbit of info. Neil Young has a 3 CD set coming out the end of this year called _Arc-Weld_. _Arc_ will be a double-CD worth of live recording from his Ragged Glory tour, and _Weld_ will be a bunch of feedback noises, or something like that; Neil calls it "new-age metal". Anyway, they'll be available separately, like the GNR albums. (This is from Rolling Stone magazine, in case you want more details.) -- DougO "It's just a planet of sound" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: woj Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 22:35:27 EDT the way that i understand moshing/slamming is that moshing refers to a certain type of slamming. or perhaps to a more refined kind of slamming. where slamming might be a press of people all running into each other, while flailing arms and legs, moshing would have a bit of organization to it. so, a circle mosh is when the pit people sorta direct themselves in a vortex of sorts, circling around with a little less pushing and shoving than is normal for a regular pit. but perhaps i am just making things up in my head. in any event, i have mosh-proofed my living room: the rugs are upstairs, the stereo is hiding and the apartment mate is safely locked away where he won't do any harm. listened to rein sanction in between earlier and now. initial listen is a thumbs diagonally up. i like it, especially the slow menacing feel to it (which i prefer muchly to the simple noise of some grungsters), but it did not engross me. in fact, i finished a book while listening to it. a few more listens will probably change that reaction, especially if i play it louder (the aforementioned aptmate was around so i couldn't just annoy him - rent is fucking expensive in jersey). also, as a side note, i saw chapterhouse this past weekend. pretty good show. it's been a while (since i saw ride, in fact) that i've had my ears blown out, but they did a good job of it. as rob has no doubt said, they aren't really grunge per se - they are what some of us called "shoe- gazers" - british rockers that take elements of the late 60s psychedelica and mix it in with noise. lots of it. layers of it. walls and walls of it. hmmm...well, i guess in some ways chapterhouse and their ilk (the best example of their ilk is my bloody valentine, but there are tonnes others as well) are very close to sonic youth, but with a shimmery feel to them. anyways...the show was quite good - check them out if they come near you. if you're lucky, they'll end the show with a noisefest like the ended this one: complete disintegration of melody and guitar torture. 'twas nice - especially the disgusted looks of the musicians as they tossed the guitars to the ground and walked off teh stage. which brings me to a question. or at least a meadering. why is it that british bands like this, that at least rob and i call grunge, are so much more enjoyable than their american counterparts? i mean, seeing mudhoney at the beginning of the week and seeing chapterhouse at the end of it brought the two extremes together pretty well. mudhoney was just plain annoying on stage and their music, while fun, was pretty boring. chapter- house on the other hand, was just as fun, but even when their songs were falling apart into cascades of sound, there was still something entrancing about them - and i find that this holds true, in general (caveat there), for most british bands playing this kind of music. while the americans seem to just get on stage to be pointlessly obnoxious, the brits seem to want to bring something to the sound, rather than just blast your ears to little shards of cartilege. any ideas out there for why this is so? maybe i should cc: julian lawton on this one... woj@remus.rutgers.edu - smou/dj-for-hire - cutting out a silouette of dreams -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dougo%SODA.BERKELEY.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 20:49:49 -0700 > they aren't really grunge per se - they are what some of us called "shoe- > gazers" - british rockers that take elements of the late 60s psychedelica > and mix it in with noise. lots of it. layers of it. walls and walls of > it. hmmm...well, i guess in some ways chapterhouse and their ilk (the > best example of their ilk is my bloody valentine, but there are tonnes > others as well) are very close to sonic youth, but with a shimmery feel > to them. "shoegazers"? Not sure what that's supposed to mean, but I know the type of music you mean. It's akin to grunge in that it's lots of feedback, distortion, and noise, but it's more "ethereal" than dirty. Haven't heard MBV, but I've heard some of Chapterhouse. Other bands that I really like that I imagine are sorta in this vein: Lush, Kitchens of Distinction, Curve (I've only heard one song of theirs, I assume the rest is like this). There are also some bands that weave this noise into normal pop songs, like the Darling Buds and the Primitives. So what else is like this? -- DougO -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: woj Subject: "shoegazers" To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 06:38:07 EDT refers to the inability to do anything but stand there, slowly rocking, and play with their hair dangling in front of their face starting at their feet. you gotta see it to understand it completely i guess... lush falls into this category, but they, in reality, "sugarcoat" the noise factor. kitchens of distinction are even farther away, being akin to plain old guitar pop. likewise with the darling buds and the primitives, actually. some other bands that fall into this category: boo radleys, eternal, curve, the telescopes (not as much). the thing is that a lot of these bands are really close to the edge, depending on how much noise they use...my bloody valentine and chapterhouse and ride (especially their first ep) are by far the noisiest of them all. woj@remus.rutgers.edu - smou/dj-for-hire - cutting out a silouette of dreams -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blund Subject: Re: "shoegazers" To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 12:56:09 +0200 > refers to the inability to do anything but stand there, slowly rocking, > and play with their hair dangling in front of their face starting at their > feet. you gotta see it to understand it completely i guess... > > lush falls into this category, but they, in reality, "sugarcoat" the noise > factor. kitchens of distinction are even farther away, being akin to plain > old guitar pop. likewise with the darling buds and the primitives, actually. > > some other bands that fall into this category: boo radleys, eternal, curve, > the telescopes (not as much). the thing is that a lot of these bands are > really close to the edge, depending on how much noise they use...my bloody > valentine and chapterhouse and ride (especially their first ep) are by far > the noisiest of them all. Don't forget Swervedriver,Moose,Captain America & Teenage Fanclub. In fact there are countless of these bands around right now.... > > woj@remus.rutgers.edu - smou/dj-for-hire - cutting out a silouette of dreams > | _ johnerik@ifi.uio.no | |_| | | | John-Erik Johansen | ___| |_ Hey man , smell my finger !!!!! Porfyrvn. 20 | / | |o| \ 3140 BORGHEIM | | | | | | NORWAY | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Beat Happening video To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1991 14:19:07 -0600 When I was in Olympia, I met someone who claimed to have made a Beat Happening video which he said had a fair chance of showing up on 120 Min in "the next few weeks". Has anyone seen such a beast? I haven't--but then I don't have a TV, let alone cable. soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: moshslamshankpitofsin To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 09:24:00 EST Hey Grungers, Didn't think people had so many different definitions of mosh/slam/shank(?). Hell, if you were there THAT night you wouldn't know what to call it. Maybe it was something totally different which deserves a new name. Since not much moshing/slamming/shanking takes place in people's living rooms, maybe it deserves a new term. Let's here them grungers. If it is any concelation, mudhoney and other grungy stuff was being blasted out of the 25 year old Scott speakers my roomie owns. Here's my terms: ---------------- o Livin' o Mucking around o Slopping o MudFest Come on, let's here them. joe@rit Home of the TLA's -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 11:28:53 EDT > The Ghetto Boys: I'm still not sure if this is one-and-the-same band with > the Geto Boys (sic) (outta Houston), but if it is (and these guys are REALLY > angry, yep; I fucked up the spelling. It is the "Geto Boys". I've only got them on a Def American compilation and have had trouble getting ahold of ANY of their studio stuff (anyone else live in Vermont?). If someone there should be so generous as to find a copy of their stuff.... -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Get up, get, get, get down...911 is a joke in your town. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 13:33:58 EDT > >I sorta like the sound of "living room slam" or "living room skank" > >better, though. "mosh" sounds mellow , somewhat vegetarian, the kind of > >scene where someone would slap on a Tom Rush album or something. > My thoughts exactly, although Anthrax's "Caught In A Mosh" is a pretty > cranking and funny tune. Jesus, doesn't anyone listen to METAL on this list? From what I understand, "mosh"-ing is a term which originated in the underground NYC-HC scene a while back. In the EARLY days of Anthrax, they had one foot in each style. Hence, they, for all I can tell, have really brought the term to the forefront. Strictly speaking, the "mosh" part of a tune is where they slow down the song, yet make it twice as heavy (hence, moshing is a truely grunge activity). There are a half-dozen Anthrax songs with the "Mosh Part" identified specifically in the lyric section. Additionally, the band S.O.D. (featuring Billy Milano, Scott Ian, Charlie Benante, and Dannny Lilker), used the term quite often. In other words, "moshing" is quite heavy. Certainly it has a stronger connotation than "skanking." Last time I used the word "skanking," I think it was to describe what my mom caught my brother doing. And thank god it wasn't in the living room either... > Speaking of which, I was talking with a friend the other day, and she brought > up a good question I bombed on: where did names like "ska" and "rap" come > from? Doesn't the term 'rap' come from the song "Rapture" (yes, by Blondie)? If you remember, she raps in the tune and I've been told that it's considered by some to be the birth of 'rapping.' -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Get up, get, get, get down...911 is a joke in your town. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 11:56:23 -0600 >Doesn't the term 'rap' come from the song "Rapture" (yes, by >Blondie)? If you remember, she raps in the tune and I've been >told that it's considered by some to be the birth of >'rapping.' "Rapture" is considered only by the woefully uninformed to have anything to do with the birth of rapping. Blondie were the first group with a significant white audience to do anything rap-like, but they were only picking up on a thriving black NYC scene. soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Ibiza Bar To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 13:17:08 EST About the Love Battery cover of "Ibiza Bar"... > Actually, I just talked to the local resident Floyd expert, and he says > it's a Pink Floyd (post Barrett) song on the *More* soundtrack. Shit! And I thought I could be the one with the scoop, the man with the plan. Well, as the resident Floyd freak on Grunge-L, I will confirm that "Ibiza Bar" is definitely Pink Floyd and on the "More" soundtrack. That alone makes me want to check out this Love Battery. Must be pretty weird, considering the source. Let me cajole you grungeheads to check out this album ('More') if you like Floyd. It's totally cool, and completely unlike The Wall (or, Roger Water Wanks Off ;) ). Ron -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu Subject: (not) Blondie and rap To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 13:36:29 CDT From: Chip Hart > Doesn't the term 'rap' come from the song "Rapture" (yes, by > Blondie)? If you remember, she raps in the tune and I've been > told that it's considered by some to be the birth of > 'rapping.' It's only considered by people ignorant about rap to be the birth of rapping. Rap experts can be found on the funk mailing list, rec.music.funky or alt.rap. The origins of rap are widely debated (personally I'd point people to the Last Poets), but Blondie no more invented rap than Madonna invent vogueing. Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Ibiza Bar To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 14:57:50 EDT > as the resident Floyd freak on Grunge-L Uh oh. Not again. > Must be pretty weird, considering the source. Let me cajole you grungeheads > to check out this album ('More') if you like Floyd. It's totally cool, and > completely unlike The Wall (or, Roger Water Wanks Off ;) ). While Animals was the first thing I bought on disk upon the arrival of my CD-player, I must say that The Wall is the single greatest achievement in rock history. Does it ever get better than Comfortably Numb? I think not. Ron, I've got some REALLY good bootlegs... -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Get up, get, get, get down...911 is a joke in your town. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: (not) Blondie and rap To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 15:03:19 EDT Bill sez: >> Doesn't the term 'rap' come from the song "Rapture" (yes, by >It's only considered by people ignorant about rap to be the birth of rapping. >Rap experts can be found on the funk mailing list, rec.music.funky or >alt.rap. The origins of rap are widely debated (personally I'd point >people to the Last Poets), but Blondie no more invented rap than >Madonna invent vogueing. I understand that, but I'm not really interested in knowing "who" started rap, if any one such entity exists. I'm interested in the term "rap" used to describe a style of music, such as "funk", "ska", "jazz", or "rock and roll" (the latter two I think I know the origins of). Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not trade bead rings with others. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 15:09:36 EDT > "Rapture" is considered only by the woefully uninformed to have > anything to do with the birth of rapping. Blondie were the first > group with a significant white audience to do anything rap-like, > but they were only picking up on a thriving black NYC scene. Oh, shit, no kidding. Doesn't Grandmaster Flash predate that song? I guess I should spell things out more clearly or risk being labeled "woefully uninformed." Does someone have anything more substantial to offer than nitpicking? No, I really think Deborah Harry is responsible for one of the last true vestiges of r'n'r. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Get up, get, get, get down...911 is a joke in your town. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 15:16:45 EDT >Hey, son, I bought this album within the first week that it was out. I didn't >bother bringing it up since few people seem to remember SOD, but everyone knows >Anthrax now. And people wearing Pi Alpha Nu jackets wonder why I crack up >whenever I see them... So you're cool, that's all :-) > > "Dum dum, dum dum, dum dum, dum dum, yer dead!" > -- Ballad of Jimi Hendrix Jeeze, you're right. This does remind me of "the days of my youth..." I laughed, though. Speak English or Die. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Get up, get, get, get down...911 is a joke in your town. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: (not) Blondie and rap To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 15:22:59 EDT > > Doesn't the term 'rap' come from the song "Rapture" (yes, by > > Blondie)? If you remember, she raps in the tune and I've been > > told that it's considered by some to be the birth of > > 'rapping.' > It's only considered by people ignorant about rap to be the birth of rapping. Is it me, or are people a little sensitive about this? Or am I just a prick (don't answer that...)? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Get up, get, get, get down...911 is a joke in your town. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 15:29:13 EDT > Thanks. You just made me spit coffee all over myself. Giving Blondie the > credit for creating rapping is like giving Spyro Gyra the credit for creating > jazz. Rapping means talking, right? Rapping in musical terms simply is > talking over the music (more or less). I think it's that simple. As far as > the origins of rap, depending on what you want to call rap, people in the know > either credit the (either late 70's or early 80's) song by Grandmaster Flash > and the Furious Five called "The Message", or go back as far as the 60's and > credit The Last Poets work. Ok. This is the third message I've gotten telling me what a weenie I am. I don't think Blondie was responsible for the birth of rap. Hell, even I remember Grandmaster Flash (see previous post by me). I'd even consider things like "Subterranean Homesick Blues" as a better example of pre-rap (and I dislike Dylan). Shit, THE WHOLE DAMN SCENE DATES BACK TO MOTOWN, period. So, I'm sorry for your pants and anyone else's day I may have spoiled. Just rest assured that I'm not that fucking stupid or ignorant. Ok? > At any rate, Chip has the same definition of mosh that I do. That slow bridge > in the song was always the "mosh part". Thank you. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Get up, get, get, get down...911 is a joke in your town. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NATASHA Subject: Smashing Pumpkins & Red Hot Chili Pepper NEWS To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 15:36:00 EDT Hi fellow Grungers, I was listening to Toronto Radio today *CFNY in particular* and they announced: Smashing Pumpkins will be opening up for the Red Hot Chili Peppers on Tues Oct 29th at the Concert Hall. Tickets go on sale on this friday *9/27* and will go fast.. CFNY has a club/concert line for more information: (416) 457-3300 I'll be keeping you up to date as I hear them..looks like it's going to be a good fall season. ;) -- (Rockin's) Renee -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 15:45:40 EDT Well, just to add meaningless nonsense to dozens of mailboxes....... ......I like S.O.D. a whole fuckin' bunch. As long as I don't take their xeno-gyno-homo-phobia too seriously (how PC of me! ;-P ), it's a lot of fun. They even have a song callllled....."Milano Mosh." But the title track "Speak English or Die" is the one that hooked me (an' its intro). BTW, Subterogenous :) had an S.O.D. single "Speak Swedish or Die" which isn't listed in the latest catalog, I don't think. Anyone got it? Is it great? ......and I also fuckin' love Agnostic Front. _Live at CBGB's_ hasta be a HC classic. Wish I'd been there. I've got a real fuzzy memory that the Front's gueetarist hazza brother who's got his own band..... ......but I couldn't give a flip about Anthrax. They're okay I suppose, but not to die for (like in a pit, but with no pendulum, yes?)....then again, I probably haven't heard enough (can't you tell the sound of someone telling himself he really doesn't need to buy stuff by yet another band?). HOWEVER, Rob the Blusterer has this great Anthrax rap crossover (not the new "Bring the Noise" thing either, which is also excellent!) that I'm gonna steal from him one of these days..... ......and weren't you guize a little heavy with the slagging? I mean, hell, people make mistakes. We're friends here, no need to assume someone's being ethnocentric when they incorrectly attribute the origin of rap to Blondie. Aw, shit, guess I'm just one of those almost straight-edge peace punks at heart...... BTW, Chip, if you're still lookin' for Geto Boys stuff cum December, drop me a line. I'm Houston-bound for X-mas. The city where they have free Killdozer shows at Emo's..................... Oh, and hoo-boy, I'm into this Ride-Chapterhouse-Lush-MBV stuff meeeself. Why can't I be more selective? (Whine.) Eric avera@astrosun.TN.CORNELL.EDU -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: God's Favorite Networker Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 14:54:44 CDT The first recognized rap artists are the Last Poets, although there was scat in jazz, and with the difference of the big beat, scratching, and dress style, it is very similar to current hip-hop Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "Beat us with Sonny Bono Beat us with Yoko Ono" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dougo%SODA.BERKELEY.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: moshslamshankpitofsin To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 12:56:56 -0700 > Here's my terms: > ---------------- > > o Livin' > o Mucking around > o Slopping > o MudFest How about "grunging"? Or if you do it in a rec room, you can call it "(w)rec(k)ing". > There are a half-dozen Anthrax > songs with the "Mosh Part" identified specifically in the > lyric section. Like the "war dance!" part of "Indians", for example. The song "Too Many Puppies" by Primus is another ideal moshing song. (Actually, I guess all of Primus's songs are like that...) Hopefully some examples will help clear it up for the mosh-deprived. Anybody else got any good examples? > Speaking of which, I was talking with a friend the other day, and she brought > up a good question I bombed on: where did names like "ska" and "rap" come > from? Well, "rap" has always been another word for "talk", like "rap session". Similar to "gab", I guess. (I can imagine it now: "Yo! MTV Gabs") Dunno about ska, maybe it has to do with skanking? -- DougO "What's that noise?" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: moshslamshankpitofsin To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 16:20:44 EDT > Like the "war dance!" part of "Indians", for example. The song "Too Many > Puppies" by Primus is another ideal moshing song. (Actually, I guess all of > Primus's songs are like that...) Hopefully some examples will help clear it > up for the mosh-deprived. Anybody else got any good examples? "Jerry Was a Racecar Driver" is the best I can think of. Perfect. Oh, for those looking for grunge by non-grungies, Daniel Johnston has a lot of stuff which is as grimy as anything Mudhoney's over done. Some may also want to look into Hasil Adkins (DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OF HIS STUFF RECORDED?!). -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Get up, get, get, get down...911 is a joke in your town. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: thursday's show To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 15:27:00 EST Hey Grungers, Especially those of you who live in Western New York. Just a reminder, New Model Army is playing at X tomorrow (thursday) night. The doors open at 8 and the show starts at 9. They have bands ther every thursday night. I went last thursday and it didn't start until 10, oh well. Price for this show is $9, most of the others are $4. If anybody is interested in going and needs more info or directions, let me know. I'd be glad to help you. Jon, Renee, Mike and all the other NYers, let me here from you if you're coming out here. jjt7927@ritvax.isc.rit.edu joe tunis -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 14:09:45 PDT > > The first recognized rap artists are the Last Poets, although > Is George Burns considered Rap? Rapper wannabe maybe? Hmmmm... john haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Birth of Rap To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 16:35:47 EST First of all, let me join the 'me too' bandwagon as far as rap is concerned. Man, there's some excellent stuff out there that makes me want to slam around like the best vintage Black Flag. The good stuff always gets me thinking as well. Love that Public Enemy, man. > "Rapture" is considered only by the woefully uninformed to have > anything to do with the birth of rapping. I thought the first RAP tune was that thing put out around 1980 on Sugar Hill Records. I wish I remember the name, but the lyrics included stuff like "And the chicken tastes like wood." Does anyone else remember this tune, and have some details. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat Padua Subject: Birth of Rap To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 17:40:30 EDT You might be thinking of "Rapper's delight", by the Sugarhill Gang. Which, naive though it was, DID precede Grandmaster Flash, I believe. Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: God's Favorite Networker Subject: Birth of Rap To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 17:10:33 CDT The song mentioned where "The chicken tastes like wood" is the first rap song to chart (not a signal for quality on this list), which is "Rapper's Delight" by the Sugarhill Gang. I own this album, which came out in 1978-9 or so. As for rockin', at Lollapalooza in St. Paul, there was as much slammin' going on to Ice before he traded DJs for guitarrists as after. Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "Take you on a walk thru Hell" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Agnostic Front & Corrosion Of Conformity To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 17:13:16 EST Robert himself speaks: > Anyone remember Agnostic Front? I went to two Agnostic Front shows and thought the tunes were cool as hell, but the crowd made me want to run and hide. Probably the most violent pit I've seen, with lots of big nasty skins and bad attitudes. A truly frightening experience for a small loudmouth punk like me (5' 8" 150lb). Cripes, man, why haven't I started a CoC thread before? Being out of Raleigh NC, I used to follow these guys back in college. They had some great shows, let me tell you. > Corrosion of Conformity had some pretty slow, grindy mosh stuff. That all depends on the album you've got. The first (forget the exact title) had their first vocalist and was fairly standard thrash punk. Growly, grungy voice and all. I'll dig into my album collection and get details if anyone's curious. The second album (Animosity; with the Pushead cover) is the best in my opinion. They kicked out the old vocalist (still can't remember his name) and the oh-so-twisted bass player started singing. What a voice! He must have gargled with gravel and twigs every morning. A lot more metallic and grinding than the previous effort. The third album (Technocracy) had Simon Bob Sinister (of the Ugly Americans) on vocals, and had a lot of his songs. I like Bob's songs, but his vocals are merely OK. Ron (Wish I had a CoC Skull Tattoo) Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Rap, got it! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 17:29:15 EST ~Pat (is that $HOMEPat? ;) ) says: > people in the know > either credit the (either late 70's or early 80's) song by Grandmaster Flash > and the Furious Five called "The Message" That's it! _That's It_! 'And the chicken tastes like wood.' I remember all the silly chuckleheads on my football and track teams in high school playing this thing all the time. I wasn't into it, but I might give it another listen. I hated disco. It certainly ain't no Chuck D and Public Enemy thang. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Pissing And Moaning/Dylan To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 17:41:35 EST Chip petulantly pouts: > Ok. This is the third message I've gotten telling me what a > weenie I am. Yeah, you guys were coming down on Chip awfully hard for nothing. Man, lighten up. This list has been the coolest as far as lack of anal-retentiveness is concerned. I'd like to see the nitpicking stay out. > I'd even consider things like "Subterranean Homesick > Blues" as a better example of pre-rap (and I dislike Dylan). Tsk tsk. Well, can't agree with you there, Chip old man. I thought the archaic video for "SHB" was absolutely hilarious. Even though Bobbie Dylan has his weak moments, the man has written some of the most emotional music known to man. I even think some of it's pretty grungy, nyah nyah nyah! -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: marc Subject: Re: Ibiza Bar To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 19:12:00 EDT personnally I prefer the album 'Meddle' to 'More'... however it is good to see another "Floydite" on this Grunge list.. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: marc Subject: Re: Agnostic Front & Corrosion Of Conformity To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 20:55:05 EDT I remember Agnostic Front.... very sick slamming... I used to live in Durham, NC - and I think CoC was/is one of the best bands around.... lots of fun... Any Bad Brains fans out there ? Does anyone have any information regarding a new singer for the Brains ( Faith no More's old singer was what I heard)... ?? Anyone know about a release date for Prong "Prove You Wrong" ??? -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Agnostic Front & Corrosion Of Conformity To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 21:55:31 EDT Somebody whose name I forget sed: >I remember Agnostic Front.... very sick slamming... Yeah, early AF is pretty good NYC hardcore, if a bit dated. I still dig out their first album on ocassion. >I used to live in Durham, NC - and I think CoC was/is one of the best >bands around.... lots of fun... Here we go! I know they broke up after Simon Bob Sinister took over on vocals and they released the _Technocracy_ EP (a classic, I might add). That was when the bass player left, and then I heard Woody (the guitarist) decided to quit, then he was playing in another band with the drummer... that was years ago, and then about six months ago I heard there was a new CoC. So what's the poop? How good is the info above? What's new? >Any Bad Brains fans out there ? Saw 'em live about a month ago. Eric "Weenie" Avera almost got kicked out of the club during the first song. Chuck Mosley, the new singer, did a fantastic job. I think I posted my review here as well as the punk list, no? >Does anyone have any information regarding a new singer for the Brains (Faith >no More's old singer was what I heard)... ?? They have no album plans yet as they have left Caroline records, who has re-released a lot of old stuff. >Anyone know about a release date for Prong "Prove You Wrong" ??? In stores now, I believe. Also, the Chili Pepper's new one is out as of Sept. 24th, not Oct. 1st as someone said earlier. I mean, if they have it here in Ithaca you know it's everywhere. :) Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not call my teacher my `philosophical slam piece'. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Corrosion of AgnosticFrontity To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 23:10:43 EDT Ron zee mon Rader spews: > I went to two Agnostic Front shows and thought the tunes were cool as hell, >but the crowd made me want to run and hide. Probably the most violent pit I can't say I ever saw them live myself, but everything I've ever heard agrees with this statement. >> Corrosion of Conformity had some pretty slow, grindy mosh stuff. > That all depends on the album you've got. The first (forget the exact title) The first was _Eye For An Eye_. >The second album (Animosity; with the Pushead cover) is the best in >my opinion. They kicked out the old vocalist (still can't remember his name) >and the oh-so-twisted bass player started singing. What a voice! He must have >gargled with gravel and twigs every morning. A lot more metallic and grinding >than the previous effort. Mike is the bass player who left after _Technocracy_ and who sang on the second slab. I always thought the first singer (Eric somebody) was more the glass and gravel gargler than Mike. I always felt the third was the best, combining the punk/hardcore/politics of the first with the thrash/speed/metal of the second. The second one came across more like a Slayer album to me, and was definitely one of the forerunners of the "crossover" scene. Funny how instead of merging or blurring it just seems like all the rules blew up and now anyone just does what they like, like Godflesh's drum machines and countless other examples. > Ron (Wish I had a CoC Skull Tattoo) Rader Funny, I wore my CoC shirt with the skull and the warning sticker logo to the Bad Brains show last month, and got *tons* of compliments. But by far the biggest response went like this: Person: "Cool shirt, dude. Where'dya geddit?" Moi: "A CoC show." Person: "CoC? Who are they? Do they play metal?" I tried lecturing one youngster about them but he just shrugged his shoulders and wandered away... feelin' old yet, Ron? :) Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Does anyone ever read all of these? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 23:11:13 EDT Rob's Grungology 101 - Record Reviews for the Disturbed Rating scale: Two thumbs is godhead, none is okay but not great, less I rarely bother reviewing, unless I can piss a few people of by doing so. :) Nirvana "Nevermind" CD [DGC - DGCD-24425/SubPop] ------------------------------------------------ Well, here it is, actually on schedule. Kurt Cobain (no longer Kurdt Kobain) is back, with David Grohl on drums and Chris Novoselic still on bass, and a bubbling, burbling baby on the front (trust me, it's not sentimental at all, it's quite silly). Someone has said that they're the next Guns 'N' Roses, and if the public at large can get into this as much as GNR, then there might be hope for mankind yet. It's obvious that more than $600 went into recording this one, but not overly so (read: this 'tain't overproduced). Butch Vig was in on the production and engineering, and he's earned a position amongst the Rob-heralded "Mighty Three" (Kramer, Jack Endino, and Steve Albini) whose participation in a project will prompt me to buy an album without knowing anything about the band. The opener, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is a powerful rocker, this year's wise-ass anthem. Track four, "Breed", has a mighty moving bass buzz that just tickles my insides. "Territorial Pissings" starts with someone creeching that '60's tune that goes, "...come on, get together, everybody gotta love one another, right now..." and kicks into this major distorto-buzz guitar line, and develops into a good screaming thrashfest. "Lithium" bounces back and forth between some acoustic-like crooning and some serious grunge-rock-stuff. The last track is a very acoustic piece with some very interesting sounding cello. Very unpredictable. Much to my surprise, this album is a lot less "heavy metal" than I expected. I think it's grungier than _Bleach_, definitely more melodic, with a few new sounds here and there and a good helping of slower acoustic-style things that'll probably provide some breathing time in the pit. If I survive the upcoming NYC show without breaking any limbs, I think I'll be quite happy. I've heard some pretty nasty complaints about Geffen/DGC records and Mr. Geffen himself lately, but DGC is rapidly becoming a SubPop to this particular music purchaser - pretty soon I'll just buy anything they put out. Personally, I think Neil Young screwed himself. Trust me on this one, no disappointment. Both thumbs skyward. The Cult "Ceremony" CD [Sire 26673-2 /Beggars Banquet] ------------------------------------------------------ This review is gonna hurt more than you will ever know, 'cause The Cult has always been one of my favorite bands since _Live at the Lyceum_. Theorem #1: _Ceremony_ ==== _Sonic Temple II_ If you liked _Sonic Temple_, grab this slab and you won't be disappointed. If, like myself, you loved the older Cult stuff, and got into how they radically changed styles from album to album while still being The Cult, then you best avoid this one. It seems like the only thing that's changing with these boys nowadays is the band lineup. Their long-time bassist Jamie Stewart has finally given up and left, hopefully for greener pastures, after all these years. Exit the drummer to Guns 'N' Roses as well. I might be the next. No thumbs, just yawns. Metallica "Metallica" CD [Elektra 61113-2] ------------------------------------------ Let me start of by saying that this review is of a tape I made of the CD, with tracks 4 and 8 removed. Both those tracks ("The Unforgiven" and "Nothing Else Matters") are over-produced, slow 'n' sappy ballads, and they just don't belong on a Metallica album, at least not one owned by this long time fiend-fan. There's nothing worse than warming up nicely to three tracks, then suffering through the first, then getting back on track for another three only to be whapped by the second. The album's over before you can get into it again. So I cut 'em. The lack of an album name seems a little lame to me. The packaging is also surprisingly bland, uninteresting, and poorly executed. I'm not a big fan of Bob Rock either. Thus are all my complaints with this one. On to good words. At first I thought Hetfield had been playing Dungeons and Dragons(tm) a little too much between this and the last album, since the lyrics and song titles seem to have a real "fantasy" taste at first glance. But after many listens, the word-bits of this one are just as spiteful, personal, and painful as the last, without being overly preachy or political, which is also somewhat true of _...And Justice For All_. The man is masterful. There's a real lack of speed on this slab, but its pure, unadulterated and (currently) uncontested HEAVINESS is just something that has to be heard (and felt) to be appreciated. The drums sound as though they were recorded in large caverns. The guitars grind and crunch. And the bass can actually be heard on this one! So despite all my friendly bitching above, I think this is a very good album, definitely worthy of the Metalliger logo, barring those two forgetable attempts at MTVdom. I'm just glad "Enter Sandman" is the first single. This doesn't add up to the godhead of _Master of Puppets_, but that would be difficult to top. At least they're not sitting and flogging a dead horse. One thumb upage. Rob rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Sonic Youth, not! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 23:27:39 EDT Russ Poldrack wonders: >Re: The Sonics >Does anyone out there have any info on this "legendary garage band"? >Their records seem to be impossible to find. You ain't kidding. I've been trying to find something (anything) by them for a long time, ever since I got the _This Ain't The Sonics_ cover compilation from PopLlama Records. Great tunes, and I really want to hear the originals. I'd like to get Stooges and MC5 stuff as well, but I've just about given up. Pat Padua mentions: >Etiquette reissued a few Lp's several years ago, but those seem to have fallen >out of print. A CD on that label hs turned up at Tower (at import prices) >and has most of their best songs. If i rememeber correctly, they hailed from >... Seattle! Unfortunately, I never even saw any of the reissues, and it looks like it may never happen again. The Sonics were stationed in Tacoma, Washington, the same place Girl Trouble now hail from. GT cite them as a major influence. Then Michael Cluff interjects: >if you're willing to listen to them on Lp or cassette. I'm pretty sure they've >been showcased on some of Rhino Records' Nuggets compilations. Also, Rhino had >an album of Louie, Louie covers that included the Sonics' version (which even I haven't seen the _Nuggets_ comps in a long time, but I've always regretted not picking them up. Are they still around? Weren't they originally released in the late sixties/early seventies? Any of you ancient folks want to fill me in on those? ;) >kicked Black Flag's pseudo-version). I have one of their full-length records, >the famed "Here Are the Sonics!!!" which I adore. I don't have the record Rub it in, go ahead! I'd be interested in the record company and catalog #. >In other matters, being another of the list's Western New Yorkers (Buffalo, to >be exact), I'm interested in finding more about the X club in Rochacha... New Model Army tomorrow, 'twould be cool if you could make it. We should really turn Joe's next party into a New England grungefest, dontcha think? Who's interested? Maybe we should do it in Buffalo? Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: I'm sorry I'm a white boy... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 23:27:53 EDT Michael Cluff brings up: >(Hey, even Funkadelic got a bit grungy) I'd agree here. There was a bunch of megahip articles on these folks in an old issue of Motorbooty mag I have. Plus Big Chief cites them as a major influence, reason for living, and was going to do an entire Funkadelic cover album until the deal fell through. They were even gonna have George Clinton produce it. Cool. Chip "not a weenie either" Hart sez: > But hey, this ain't grunge. Maybe we should start a > "white-boys-appreciate-rap" group :-) Heck, we seem to be doing it here. I can't say that I follow rap too closely, but bands like PE have really earned my respect. Although I tend to avoid overly political bands (a backlash from my punk/harcore days) I like these guys just fine, along with a few others. Digital Underground's last album was pretty good, and there's a few others I can't think of this late at night. Recommendations? Mr. WhiteBoy, Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: oh To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 21:33:32 MDT well back from a mild-vacation where I did pick up a double 7" of BossHog. 2 peel session songs and 2 live it says, havent heard it yet since I dont own a vinyl player but will borrow one soon. $6 from Record Swap in champaign IL. going to get new nirvana asap, thanks for the review robmeisterino. ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: pe To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 21:34:47 MDT oh, I prob shoulda thrown in that the public enemy chatter made me once again realize that I should mention: I hate them. there I knew you all would care. 8-) ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: I'm sorry I'm a white boy... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 09:12:22 EDT > > But hey, this ain't grunge. Maybe we should start a > > "white-boys-appreciate-rap" group :-) > Heck, we seem to be doing it here. > Recommendations? My wannabe brother picks up everything that hits MTV, so, while I was living at home, I got to hear it all in major doses. The three acts which have stayed in my memory as being something worth listening to are Slick Rick, De La Soul, and Third Bass. Shit, Special Ed, too (this, of course, is not addressing the likes Ice-T & Cube, NWA, etc.). Slick Rick kicked my ass. If he's not giving about the best vocal performance I've ever heard...um, something. Bobby Mcferrin has nothing on him. And Vanilla Ice too! Wait, isn't he the Grandfather of Rap? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Get up, get, get, get down...911 is a joke in your town. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: (Hi Bill) About the origin of rap To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Thu, 26 Sep 91 9:36:39 EDT I had often thought about the origin of rap. I recently saw the eMpTyV Rapumantary on the History of rap, and LL told me it was "rappers delight" by whitchamacallit. The Sugar hill gang. As far as I could remember that is the earliest rap that I remember. I was in 7th grade. Which make it the year 1979, if my math is correct. Now I am sure they weren't the first. It's like saying that Elvis invented rock and roll. 8) Does anyone think that they were at least the ones who first brought it to national attention? I am sure that it is the single sone that influenced rappers the most except for maybe "Scorpio." What do you think? Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Thu, 26 Sep 91 10:06:50 EDT Gee, you bring up rap on a grunge list and all the freaks come out, first Bill and not Pat? I thought you too died trying out for the drummer part in the new SPINAL TAP lineup. > Thanks. You just made me spit coffee all over myself. > You wild man, you! > Giving Blondie the credit for creating rapping is like giving Spyro Gyra the > credit for creating jazz. > Hey, I'm from Buffalo, didn't Spyro Gyra create Jazz? > either credit the (either late 70's or early 80's) song by Grandmaster Flash > and the Furious Five called "The Message", or go back as far as the 60's and > credit The Last Poets work. > Ooops forgot about the message. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Murtaugh Subject: First post - go easy on me To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 09:09:35 CDT > > But hey, this ain't grunge. Maybe we should start a > > "white-boys-appreciate-rap" group :-) Rap: Disco of the 90's. Thank you very much - Paul -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Russ Poldrack Subject: Re: I'm sorry I'm a white boy... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 09:09:22 CDT > Slick Rick > kicked my ass. If he's not giving about the best vocal > performance I've ever heard...um, something. Bobby Mcferrin > has nothing on him. > > > Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com Yes he does - he's not in prison. Russ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth Ann Schaefer Subject: arc-weld To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 09:11:06 -0500 DougO mentioned the new Neil Young 2 CD set _Weld_ and the 3CD ltd. set _Arc-Weld_. Supposedly Mr. Young decided to release the ltd. 3CD set because he was so in love with Sonic Youth when they toured with him. It's scheduled for release on October 8, and should be out on October 8 because we've already ordered it. One CD of Neil Young feedback, 45 minutes! I want it now! Beth. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: Birth of Rap To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 09:28:34 EST Thanks to all and sundry for the info on the Sugarhill Gang. I'm surprised I didn't remember the name, I can picture the album in my head. You must realize that at the time, Disco Sucked (still does IMO) and I pretty much rejected all the then-trendy dance music. "Rapper's Delight" still ain't no Public Enemy. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 17:30:10 +0300 where did names like "ska" and "rap" come from? I've heard a bit about the Jass -> Jazz origins. ---Hey, c'mon dudes! Even I knew that rap means 'to talk' - and I'm from Finland... What's the thang w/ jazz? I do have some Hazil Adkins, t -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick_Waara.WBST129%XEROX.COM@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 07:43:51 PDT OK, I see we've got a bunch of wise-asses in this group. (My kind of people.) >And Vanilla Ice too! Wait, isn't he the Grandfather of Rap? No, Vanilla Ice was the Grandfather of soul. He taught James Brown everything he knows. >Gee, you bring up rap on a grunge list and all the freaks come out, first Bill >and not Pat? I thought you too died trying out for the drummer part in the >new SPINAL TAP lineup. No, I think you're thinking of my old drummer, Eddie. He exploded while rehearsing in my basement. Made an awful mess. I think it was Bill who was seriously injured in a "bizarre gardening accident". >Hey, I'm from Buffalo, didn't Spyro Gyra create Jazz? Spryo Gyra and George Winston are the only two concerts I ever fell asleep at. So what does any of this have to do with Grunge? Not a damn thing. To wit, I have a request. Believe it or not, I am not very familiar with a lot of the bands mentioned here. My tastes run more on the hardcore side of things. If you were to recommend three grunge albums for me to buy, what would they be? To give you some guidelines, I find that I don't like Dino Jr. much (one of the grunge bands mentioned here that I am familiar with.) I do like Godflesh, but it plods a little too much for my tastes. Bands like the Bad Brains are the ones that really spin my balls. So how 'bout it? What grunge bands do you think I would like? Please respond only to me, and I will summarize. ~Pat Waara.wbst129@xerox.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 11:02:58 EDT > I do have some Hazil Adkins, Damn. Where'd you get it? I can't get anyone to order it for me. I saw that some label rereleased his stuff sometime last year, but I don't know who it was. This man could be labeled as one of the Grandfathers of Grunge, I think (most of his stuff was recorded in the 50's and is about cutting of his girlfriend's head an eating it...at least what I've heard of his). Anyone listen to Rocky Erickson and/or the 13th Floor Elevators? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Get up, get, get, get down...911 is a joke in your town. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Happy Wallets, Angry Ears To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 08:02:10 PDT I was in a record store yesterday to pick up the Red Hots and Nirvana, and a guy that works there told me that soundgarden's release date is 10/8 now. There was also a sign behind the desk stating "New Soundgarden Available 10/8" Can anyone confirm this? If this keeps up, I'm gonna have to start playing my old soundgarden backwards to satisfy my need for new soundgarden. john "I want a cool grunge-l nicname too" haas -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Grungefest To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 08:06:12 PDT > > New Model Army tomorrow, 'twould be cool if you could make it. We should > really turn Joe's next party into a New England grungefest, dontcha think? > Who's interested? Maybe we should do it in Buffalo? > If ya can have one between 12/21 and 1/5 I'd be way interested. Thats when I'll be back in Syracuse. john haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu Subject: bizarre gardening accidents To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 11:12:08 CDT Jon: >Gee, you bring up rap on a grunge list and all the freaks come out, first Bill >and not Pat? I thought you too died trying out for the drummer part in the >new SPINAL TAP lineup. Pat: >I think it was Bill who was seriously injured in a "bizarre gardening >accident". "Bizarre gardening accident" is usually an euphemism for being restrained with lengths of garden hose and worked on with various vegetables. Bizarre gardening, yes. Accident, usually no. >So what does any of this have to do with Grunge? Not a damn thing. Actually Public Enemy is pretty grunge-y. That thing with Anthrax gets more people slamming than any other song in recent memory. (We'll ignore for the moment that it's being played on MTV.) I just saw an ad for a new Hell Cows (on Juggler this time), one of the nastiest noisy guitar bands with a sax player. Anyone heard it? Their single was great but the first record was a bit annoying. Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: three grunge albums To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 11:18:00 EST Hey grungers, Pat 'Standard Deviation' Waara splurts out: >OK, I see we've got a bunch of wise-asses in this group. (My kind of people.) Here? Nahhhhhh, Never :)> >>And Vanilla Ice too! Wait, isn't he the Grandfather of Rap? >No, Vanilla Ice was the Grandfather of soul. He taught James Brown everything >he knows. I thought Little Richard taught everybody everything. He even says so. :)> >So what does any of this have to do with Grunge? Not a damn thing. To wit, I >have a request. Believe it or not, I am not very familiar with a lot of the >bands mentioned here. My tastes run more on the hardcore side of things. If >you were to recommend three grunge albums for me to buy, what would they be? >To give you some guidelines, I find that I don't like Dino Jr. much (one of the >grunge bands mentioned here that I am familiar with.) I do like Godflesh, but >it plods a little too much for my tastes. Bands like the Bad Brains are the >ones that really spin my balls. So how 'bout it? What grunge bands do you >think I would like? Please respond only to me, and I will summarize. >~Pat >Waara.wbst129@xerox.com OK, I'm a young fellow, compared to the oldies on this list (like Sub Rob, Eric "The Weenie" and some others) so I'm gonna mention some really good,fairly new stuff. Here goes. Mudhoney - Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge Soundgarden - Loud Love Screaming Trees - anything, especially Buzz Factory And hey Pat, how's SD doing these days? joe@rit Home of the TLA's -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 12:50:32 EDT > Anyone listen to Rocky Erickson and/or the 13th Floor > Elevators? If you mean Rory Erickson, yup, sure, I've heard some. I believe there's a "best of" compilation of his called "Gravest Hits" that would probably be a good starting place for most. There's also a tribute album done by a lot of hip bands as well. I think I'm wrong, but I recall that it was just called "A Tribute To Rory Erickson" or something lame-o like that. I've heard 13th Floor Elevators as well, but not very much. Have nothing by them either. A friend was a big fan way back, so that's the only reason I've even heard about them. Anyone wanna fill us in? Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I did not see Elvis. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: God's Favorite Networker Subject: Re: I'm sorry I'm a white boy... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 11:59:08 CDT About Slick Rick: While I do have a dub of his first album, and occasionally listen to it, when I saw him live, he was singing (rapping whatever) along to the album, with his previously recorded vocals. That sucks IMHO. I may listen to his stuff but I won't go out of my way to see him live. Dave the dope fiend, shootin' dope who don't know the meaning of Water nor soap -Slick Rick t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: God's Favorite Networker Subject: (Hi Bill) About the origin of rap To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 12:11:03 CDT >I had often thought about the origin of rap. I recently saw the eMpTyV >Rapumantary on the History of rap, and LL told me it was "rappers delight" by >whitchamacallit. The Sugar hill gang. As far as I could remember that is the >earliest rap that I remember. I was in 7th grade. Which make it the year >1979, if my math is correct. >Now I am sure they weren't the first. It's like saying that Elvis invented >rock and roll. 8) Exactly. There was a steady scene long before rappers delight but no one thought about taping it and selling it. The first rap group as such was the Last Poets, the first rap album to chart was the Rappers Delight by the Sugarhill Gang, and soon, the Message came along. Does anyone out there listen to me? >Does anyone think that they were at least the ones who first brought itto >national attention? I am sure that it is the single sone that influenced >rappers the most except for maybe "Scorpio." What do you think? Exactly. Like I've said, the first one to chart. >Jon Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "Sure, Drinking kills brain cells. The WEAK ones!" --Scott Wasser Disclaimer: The opinions contained in this post are not the opinions of the Administration, Faculty, or Student Body of South Dakota State University. Hell, they might not even be mine. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: yeah, I hear that too To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 13:29:24 EDT >Never heard much by them except for 'Dive'. Good good purchase. Ack. Get _Bleach_. You won't regret it. >Hey, some new questions. Does anybody know if Fluid is coming out with >anything new or should I just buy 'glue' now. I really like what I've heard I'll let Exby handle the details, but go ahead and get the _Glue_ CD which contains all of the _Roadmouth_ LP... >from them. And how about the 'Afghan Whigs', same questions. thanks you Their first album can be skipped, I think, but _Up In It_ is a great slab of fun. Remind me to show you the cover to their Brother-Sister/Hey 'Cuz single. >muddy, mucky, dirty, bunch of nose picking inbreds. Don't forget to eat it! Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not flick boogers at policemen directing traffic. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: yeah, I hear that too To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 11:43:24 MDT On Thu Sep 26 1:20pm, I GOT A THORN (JJT7927@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU) wrote: > Subject: "yeah, I hear that too" > Hey grungomatics, > > Hey, some new questions. Does anybody know if Fluid is coming out with > anything new or should I just buy 'glue' now. I really like what I've heard > > joe@rit being the Fluid contact person in the computer-list world ;-) I feel compelled to answer all Fluid things (along with stoltz) Go buy Glue now! it smokes and these denver guys wont have ANYTHING new out for sometime as they are still hunting for that big record deal with a major. even if they signed tomorrow (john r said) which is a pipe dream they wouldnt have anything out until middle spring '92. So expect nothing new until you hear from me ok? :-) I expect to talk with John R and the boyz Oct.12 when the Fluid play in boulder - providing i aint on a biz trip. ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: yeah, I hear that too To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 11:50:41 MDT On Thu Sep 26 1991 1:29pm, Rob Vaughn (rob@SNOOPY.MSC.CORNELL.EDU) wrote: > Subject: "Re: yeah, I hear that too" > > >Hey, some new questions. Does anybody know if Fluid is coming out with > >anything new or should I just buy 'glue' now. I really like what I've heard > > I'll let Exby handle the details, but go ahead and get the _Glue_ CD which > contains all of the _Roadmouth_ LP... > > Rob thanks for the leadin - one bone to pick the glue CD does NOT include a song off roadmouth LP. namely, BigBrother. its too bad cause the song kicks but maybe was left off cause its a cover? (stoltz knows who orig did it) My memory fades but there MAY be one other song left off the CD but I doubt it.... oh, stoltz (whos on vaca til next week) told me that Fluid are going to calif/wash...etc. details to follow soon but highlights are a Halloween show in LA and 2 shows in seattle. go out and hear all the new material! tell em "the tall guy in denver who knows all your new lyrics sent me" and they will laugh! ::j ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gordon Lee Subject: Re: First post - go easy on me To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 13:54:08 -0400 > From: Paul Murtaugh > Subject: First post - go easy on me > > Rap: Disco of the 90's. naw, house music earns that distinction hope that was easy enough, - GL -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Happy Wallets, Angry Ears To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 13:55:03 EDT Renee Numbero Two sez: >well, I did the same thing. I went to get the peppers and >Nirvana and saw signs all over saying new Soundgarden Hey, how about a review of the new Chili's disc? I didn't really care for _Mother's Milk_ all that much, but I like their early stuff quite a bit. And seeing how much is out right now I'm being a little cautious. Dave, yes, I've been listening. Actually, I've known about "Rappers Delight" and all of the early rap scene for many years, but this Last Poets stuff is new to me. Would you and/or Bill Tsu like to give some details? Sugar Hill Gang was indeed 1979, so I assume Last Poets predated this? I ain't into arguing much, just learning. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not. Never, ever. Not at all. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 13:56:30 EDT Dave points out: >I thought it was Roky Erickson That's it! Stupid me. Do I get a consolation prize though? :) What about _Gravest Hits_, do I score any points there? Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: First post - go easy on me To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 14:01:56 EDT >> From: Paul Murtaugh >> Subject: First post - go easy on me Paul, you stinking, no good, low-down... er, ahem. :) >> Rap: Disco of the 90's. >naw, house music earns that distinction Scary thought. I did/do/always will hate disco in its many forms, I think Donna Summers is the antichrist, I'll love to kick Travolta in the shins, stoopid turd that he is, etc. But I've heard some pretty serious beat-heavy acid house, and I hate to say it, but I like it. Deep stuff that makes my chest move and ears bleed, a step beyond disco I think. And I like older De La Soul, thought Slick Rick was pretty cool (not pretty incarcerated) and (dare I say it?) I really like LL Cool J a lot. Maybe 'cause I can't dance? Can I be saved? Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- Tar is not a plaything. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 14:17:57 EDT In one large breath, DougOyster warbles: >I've listened to them all the way through once so far (Yow! 2 1/2 hours of >GNR is an awful lot) and I was pretty impressed. I was expecting them to Uh oh. Like I have any money right now. Ugh. Well, since I know these will be available for years to come I think I'll put them off for a while still but keep my eyes on the used CD bin. Perhaps some disgruntled mom will make poor Johnny sell them or something. >And speaking of GNR, a local DJ ("Lawrence Livermore", obviously not his >real name) on the Cal station KALX played the new Nirvana song, and followed >it up with a diatribe against Mr. David Geffen, because he signs "bands like >Guns and Roses who sing about killing fags, when Mr. Geffen is obviously a >flaming example". (Note the quotes, I'm not saying this, he is.) Well, I >thought it was funny. I guess you had to be there. If this is the same pretentious Lawrence Livermore from Maximum Rock'n'Roll then you're a much easier going guy than I. It seems like Livermore isn't happy unless he turns everything into a political statement. I haven't read MRR in years though, so I guess I should just keep quiet. From what people have said of the book _Hit Men_ (which I'm still looking for) Mr. Geffen is the only big label person who *doesn't* think he/she rules the world. >And speaking of DGC, I can think of four cool bands on the label so far: >Nirvana, GNR, Sonic Youth, and the Stone Roses. Who else is on this label? Well, I thought GNR was on Geffen, not DGC, not that the distinction means much. I think that might be the bulk of them, at least from what I know. Meaning DGC is the home of three (or four) of my fave bands. No stinkers here. What a great track record. >And Rob claims that some of the Cure songs are grungy, but I don't >know which ones ("Prayers for Rain", maybe?) I think "Fascination Street" was pretty rockin' (although it could be better) and "Never Enough" at volume 8+ is a definite candidate. Their first couple of albums are pretty guitar/bass/drums oriented as well. Overall though, most of their stuff is pretty droopy. _fieldfresh_ does a major crunch version of "The Forest" as well, although the guitar needs a lot of work. >So does Nirvana have a song called "Cult"? They should return the favor. Good one! :) I agree, they should. But see my review, I think they should put it off until they regain a more worthwhile sound. >Which reminds me: "Phoenix" by the Cult would be another "Pseudo-grunge" >song... Definite candidate. The guitar effects on that one are just wild. I guess I should say The Cult and The Cure have had their grungy moments, but neither comes close to being a "real" grunge band. >I'll leave you with one more tidbit of info. Neil Young has a 3 CD set >coming out the end of this year called _Arc-Weld_. _Arc_ will be a double-CD Oh, more stuff to tempt my tummy. I liked _Ragged Glory_ a lot. But how can Neil still like Sonic Youth after they basically pissed off nine tenths of his fans? Mr. Curious, Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: yeah, I hear that too To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 13:20:00 EST Hey grungomatics, the Haas-man (like that one john?:)> said something about Soundgarden out on Oct.8th. Yeah, I heard that too, and last night I was at the hip record store by me and they have a sign naming all the upcoming releases. And the Soundgarden had this big arrow going from Sep 24 pointing to Oct. 8th. DAMN I needed that soon. I just got the new Nirvana, very good deal. I like it alot. Never heard much by them except for 'Dive'. Good good purchase. Hey, some new questions. Does anybody know if Fluid is coming out with anything new or should I just buy 'glue' now. I really like what I've heard from them. And how about the 'Afghan Whigs', same questions. thanks you muddy, mucky, dirty, bunch of nose picking inbreds. joe@rit Home of _fieldfresh_ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: Grungefest To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 13:25:00 EST Hey Gruuuuuunnnngerrrrrs, The Haas-man informs us: >> >> New Model Army tomorrow, 'twould be cool if you could make it. We should >> really turn Joe's next party into a New England grungefest, dontcha think? >> Who's interested? Maybe we should do it in Buffalo? >> >If ya can have one between 12/21 and 1/5 I'd be way interested. Thats when >I'll be back in Syracuse. >john >haas@intermec.com Hey, sound good to me. This whole 'grungefest' sounds great. I'd be happy to hold it at my apartment. Sometime around the holidays is alright for me. I usually go home for the holidays, but I only live four hours away, nothing for a guy who has plenty of grunge to drive to. How many other people would be into doing this. I know there's Jon, Renee, and Mike out there in Buffalo. WE got ROb and Eric down in Ithaca and woj out there in Jersey. Anybody else able to make it to something like this? "'Twould be really cool." joe@rit Home and heart of _fieldfresh_ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NATASHA Subject: Re: yeah, I hear that too To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 14:29:00 EDT > Soundgarden had this big arrow going from Sep 24 pointing to Oct. 8th. Seems like everyone's doing the "delayed album release thing" but in Soundgarden's case, it's probably caught up in record co. red tape BS... I don't want any flames here.. but I enjoy George Michael's voice.. I respect his latest Listen without Prejudice.. more specifically his slower, less poppy songs. His album was SUPPOSED to be released September 24th *same day as Soundgarden.. Jon and I had plans to raid the music store* but it was delayed til November.. Then early 1992!! :((( I don't believe that either of these musical *talents* (in my opinion) are delaying the albums for the same reasons as Guns-n-Roses did. In my opinion that would be media hype and controversy. Don't get me wrong folks, I *really* like Guns-n-Roses.. I bought both Use Your Illusion I & II a 1/2 hour after it was released.. but I don't think that they respect their fans and their intelligence as much as Soundgarden does. So, my point is.. be patient.. these Grunge bands have to probably put up with assholes at the record companies.. maybe this is naive, but I think Soundgarden, or most of the groups we discuss here do not want to give their fans the short end of the stick. The albums will be out eventually, in the meantime; have moshfests and enjoy the music that you do already have..no one can take those away from us. later folks, (Rockin's) Renee -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Corrosion Of Conformity skulls To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 13:34:55 EST Rob reminisces: > Funny, I wore my CoC shirt with the skull and the warning sticker logo to the > Bad Brains show last month, and got *tons* of compliments. Danny, the guitarist for the Ugly Americans, had an EXCELLENT blue, red, and black tat of the CoC skull on his (right?) shoulder. I always admired it, and told him so. It's too bad there's so many positive and negative myths about tattoos, because he'd either get total shit from people or have the teenyboppers talk about how cool they were and how they'd get one. Danny used to get fairly pissed, so I think he was happy someone wanted to just shoot the shit about his tats. I don't know who did it for him, but it was a good job. > I tried lecturing one youngster about [CoC] but he just shrugged his > shoulders and wandered away... feelin' old yet, Ron? :) Feeling older as we speak! Especially when I talk to people at shows or to friends in college, they were usually born in years I can remember well. Sheesh. I see what you mean as far as CoC 2.0 (Mike on vocals) sounding a lot like Slayer, although IMO CoC was far better at the speed metal thing than most speed metal bands. Let alone the punk stuff. CoC 1.0 (Eric on vocals?) was good thrash punk, but the vocals were just too muddy and indistinct and not all that impressive. Mike's vocals were also indistinct, but the mix on Animosity was so much better than Eye For An Eye that you could hear every subtle nuance of twistedness dripping from the grooves. I can just hear "Mad World" in my head! Now _that_ used to get everyone slamming and moshing! I like Simon Bob's lyrics a lot, but I always thought his vocals were better suited to a more stable punk sound. Technocracy is a great album, though. Check out the two Ugly Americans albums for his other work (plus you get to hear my buddies Dan on drums and Chris on bass/cello). -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NATASHA Subject: Re: Grungefest To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 14:38:00 EDT >Hey, sound good to me. This whole 'grungefest' sounds great. I'd be happy to >hold it at my apartment. Sometime around the holidays is alright for me. I >usually go home for the holidays, but I only live four hours away, nothing for >a guy who has plenty of grunge to drive to. How many other people would be >into doing this. I know there's Jon, Renee, and Mike out there in Buffalo. WE >got ROb and Eric down in Ithaca and woj out there in Jersey. Anybody else >able to make it to something like this? "'Twould be really cool." I would be able to make it during the holidays.. maybe we could even have it the day after Thanksgiving if everyone would be around.. or 2.. one then, one at Christmas. I kind of live w/ Jon..his house is kind of small.. so I am not sure about having it here..but he has the last word on that. Maybe this will be my moshing training session.. I always get smushed in major ways 20 seconds after being in a pit and get out before being killed.. maybe if it's a few people I can learn how to do it right.. :)) Jon is a carless person so if I can go *drive* out east (Syracuse, Rochester) he would most likely to be able to make it also. We do not work weekends so this would be a very cool time. later, Renee -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NATASHA Subject: Re: Re: To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 14:55:00 EDT >Definite candidate. The guitar effects on that one are just wild. I guess I >should say The Cult and The Cure have had their grungy moments, but neither >comes close to being a "real" grunge band. The Cult and Guns-n-Roses have a certain parallelism to each other. Maybe it's because they can *in opinion of course* play very good melodic "hard" songs..but they have different styles in which they do it. Some of the Cure's stuff could be considered "grungy". I would like to hear _fieldfresh's_ version of "The Forest" as this is one of my favorite songs.. *uh oh.. me thinks I'm exposing my synthy self* :)) But if the Cure could be considered grunge so could some of Joy Division.. most especially the song "Warsaw"..grunge with heavy depressing type bass. well we are discussing all kinds of music nowadays,... I'll go hide myself...I feel like listening to "Hands All Over".. being a pro-"save the environment" person.. I had it going through my head this morning at work while I vacuumed the printers... later, Renee -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VS8154%UMKCVAX3.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Floyd 'n stuff To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 13:58:00 CDT God, I love all this Pink Floyd talk... My brother got me hooked on Floyd when I was about three. I used to have him play "One of These Days" over & over. He and his friend also taught me to say "bogue hash" when I was four, but that's another story. _Meddle_ is one album I would not be without. What about Syd Barrett? Is he out of the funny farm yet or is he even still alive? Also, what is Dino Jr.'s best tape? I got _Bug_ and absolutely love it. I just wanna know what to get next. Roll yer own: got to hit that spot Roll yer own when your hands are hot. - Jethro Tull Sam Hughes VS8154@UMKCVAX3 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: Re: Grungefest To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 14:04:06 -0500 well, shit... don't think I can make it very readily... hell, I live in the corn state... Indiana, and New York isn't my idea of a 'road trip' (more like a vacation). -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: Re: First post - go easy on me To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 14:07:17 -0500 LL cool J? Damn.... FRANKenChRIST DikuMUD lives! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 15:37:46 EDT > I've heard 13th Floor Elevators as well, but not very much. Have nothing by > them either. A friend was a big fan way back, so that's the only reason I've > even heard about them. Anyone wanna fill us in? Thank god I saw your later post. I thought I was going stupid. A friend had a bunch of his stuff. I wanted to record it (DAMN GOOD!), but he left for Japan. Bastard. He had a live album with a cover of "Heroin" in a different key. Some other songs about Vampires. Definite grunge. 1/2 step away from the Manson album. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I'm not a cool guy anymore, as if I ever [were] before... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: I'm sorry I'm a white boy... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 15:39:16 EDT > About Slick Rick: While I do have a dub of his first album, > and occasionally listen to it, when I saw him live, he was > singing (rapping whatever) along to the album, with his > previously recorded vocals. That sucks IMHO. I may listen > to his stuff but I won't go out of my way to see him live. That's too bad, because I think some of his newer stuff ("Sad and Lonely"), is music as an artform. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I'm not a cool guy anymore, as if I ever [were] before... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Seth Dobbs Subject: Re: Grungefest To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 14:41:22 CDT > > well, shit... don't think I can make it very readily... hell, I live in the > corn state... Indiana, and New York isn't my idea of a 'road trip' (more like > a vacation). > No shit! I'm from Chicago, and there's no way I'd be able to make it out there either. It's a conspiracy!!! They're trying to include us midwesteners!! :-) To those who just got the new Chili Peppers album, how about a review? -- Seth T. Dobbs | Internet: sethd@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com GSS/AMT Motorola Inc. | "We are all fighting the same fight, We are all in the same war" - Living Colour "Never give in" - The Cure -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Seth Dobbs Subject: Re: Re: To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 14:48:43 CDT > Some of the Cure's stuff could be considered "grungy". I would like to > hear _fieldfresh's_ version of "The Forest" as this is one of my favorite > songs.. *uh oh.. me thinks I'm exposing my synthy self* :)) The Cure's first album has a song Three Imaginary Boys which has a fairly grungy guitar part. Cool song. Some people mentioned bauhaus, Tones on Tail, and Love & Rockets as having some grungy songs. The guitar player in all three bands, Daniel Ash, does some neat stuff throughout those bands various albums. Particularly in the live bauhaus album. > > Renee > -- Seth T. Dobbs | Internet: sethd@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com GSS/AMT Motorola Inc. | "We are all fighting the same fight, We are all in the same war" - Living Colour "Never give in" - The Cure -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Floyd 'n stuff To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 16:15:14 EDT Sam (I yam) sez: >Also, what is Dino Jr.'s best tape? I got _Bug_ and absolutely love it. >I just wanna know what to get next. If you like _Bug_ then I'd recommend the following: _You're Living All Over Me_ LP, _Just Like Heaven_ EP, _The Wagon_ EP. _Green Mind_ is also good but not great, same goes for their first LP. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not call my teacher `Hot Cakes', at least not in public. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: bizarre gardening accidents To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 14:25:39 -0600 Bill sez: >I just saw an ad for a new Hell Cows (on Juggler this time), one of the >nastiest noisy guitar bands with a sax player. Anyone heard it? Their single >was great but the first record was a bit annoying. I haven't heard their new single(s). For that matter, I never heard the album, but I don't doubt you're right. The Hellcows are an ideal 7" band--really intense slabs of noise and grunge that get pretty wearing after an extended period of time. I saw them a lot when I lived in Portland--they opened for everyone grungy/noisy/experimental, and I was certainly glad they existed, and I appreciated what they were doing, and appreciated the skill with which they did it, but they got hard to take after twenty minutes or so. Unfortunately, the shortest set they ever played was about 45 min. I heard rumors that they broke up, btw. No details, just a snide remark in a fanzine about how much more prolific they are now that they no longer exist. soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Re: re To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Thu, 26 Sep 91 16:29:33 EDT Rob mentioned SY pissing off 9/10 of his fans, I say: (Oh bondage up yours! 1 2 3 4!!... Oooops sorry, I don't know what happened. 8) ) Why do you think he likes them so much? Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Rap/Disco/etc To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 15:06:00 -0600 In the interest of summarizing everything in the thread. Someone said that maybe Bill Hsu and I are being oversensitive: Maybe we are, I don't know. However, anyone who spends time on alt.rock-n-roll or rec.music.misc can testify to the extent of the ignorance that exists regarding rap. Secondly, there is a long and glorious tradition in American popular music of white people taking credit for black innovations. Bill and I are quite sick of this. Blondie: Someone then asked if Blondie came up with the term "rapping", even though they obviously didn't invent the form: the answer is again no. "Rappers Delight" preceded "Rapture" by several months. "What you hear is not a test/I'm rappin' to the beat." --The Sugarhill Gang "Rappers Delight" is not "The Message": "The Message" comes a year or two after both "Rappers Delight" and "Rapture". It is historically significant because it was the first major rap single with a serious life-in-the-ghetto rap. 8-9 years down the road, it's still one of the best. It's the one that goes Don't push me 'cause I'm close to the edge I'm just trying not to lose my head.... It's a jungle out there, sometimes I wonder How I keep from going under. "Rap is the disco of the 90s": I agree. They both have this way of inspiring amazingly stupid comments from rock-weenies. I can't really think of anything else they have in common though. "Disco Sucks": I always wonder how many people who say that "disco sucks" have actually listened to a disco song in the last ten years. I say that because two or three years ago, I realized that I hadn't. That, coupled with rumblings I'd been hearing about how much of the Disco Sucks Bandwagon had been racially motivated prompted me to try to and actually listen with as few preconceptions as I could. I ended up deciding that disco doesn't really suck after all. I don't see it ever replacing punk rock in my musical cosmos, but give me the *Saturday Night Fever* soundtrack over Boston or Bad Company any day. Obgrunge content: Someone should do a cover of "Disco Inferno". I'm dead serious. With the right arrangement, it would totally shred. Hell, the song shreds as it stands. "Burn baby burn, Burn baby burn!" soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Renee Hawkins Subject: misc. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 14:03:19 -0700 I am so very excited, I just got tickets to a show on Halloween with Bikini Kill, Mudhoney, and Nirvana! It should be quite a show. It's weird though they are playing at this really big theater and last time I saw Nirvana was a couple of years ago in a room in the student union building here at school, the same for Mudhoney. Anyway I just wanted to share my excitement. If anyone is going to be in the Seattle area at the end of October get tickets!!! As for a review of the new 'ChiliPeppers, I don't think I've listened to it enough to do a decent review, so I'll have to do one later, maybe tomorrow. Anyone else who has it wan't to review it? I've been listening to Nirvana practically nonstop... -R. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: Re: Rap/Disco/etc To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 16:11:38 -0500 well, I just keep with the Suicidal Tendencies song: "DISCO'S OUT! MURDER'S IN!!" heh heh... FRANKenChRIST leper@judy.indstate.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: yeah, I hear that too To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 16:42:06 EDT >Let me just clarify I was raiding the store for my CD version of >"Badmotorfinger", not "Listen without prejeduce vol.2" Sure, Jon, sure. We know what a big George Michael fan you are. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: Sonic Youth, not! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 15:24:39 -0600 >You ain't kidding. I've been trying to find something (anything) by them for >a long time, ever since I got the _This Ain't The Sonics_ cover compilation >from PopLlama Records. Great tunes, and I really want to hear the originals. >I'd like to get Stooges and MC5 stuff as well, but I've just about given up. The Stooges stuff is all around--on CD even. I've been hearing rumors that Elektra is going to rerelease the MC5's albums "sometime soon". *This Ain't the Sonics!!!* (gotta remember those '!'s) is a great album. You all need it desperately. soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: FINALLY!/GRUNGEFEST/SPRING BREAK! To: grunge-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (Grunge Rock Discussion List) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 91 17:27:21 EDT Hi all! 104 new mail messages since yesterday. Mostly grunge! It is great to see the list flourish! Nothing personal, but Rob, Chip... Get a life! 8) Seriously don't ever stop. It's constant posting like this that makes a list a list. 8) About Grungefest AKA "Santa was caught in a mosh!" I am into it, I don't know about my apartment, if need be it can be there, but I really don't have alot of room. Now for all you spoiled mid-westerners, During our first year, we were talking about starting the new spring break thing. I declaireify spring break '92 be held at Seattle Beach! Wadduthink? Jon P.S. - And I want EVERYONE to be there, Even My homey on the other side, John in the UK. (Co founder of this list) (Actually you should all thank him, he is the inspiration of all this, he was the final advice that got me to start all this.) 8) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: reeves%CS.UCLA.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: 13th Floor Elevators To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 14:47:46 PDT It's RoKy. The record Chip is talking about is _Gremlins Have Pictures_ (Pink Dust). The 13th Floor Elevators story (from memory, so don't quote) goes something like this. Their big hit was ``You're gonna miss me'' notable for the jug popping and manaical vocals from the late '60's someplace. The Elevators were one of a group of Texas psych bands on International Artists (?) records. The only other one I can remember is Red Crayola, there is a good retro comp, and cuts show up on the Pebbles comps 60's psych Texas proto punk. The story on Roky's mental condition is that when the band was busted on a drug charge, and Roky pleaded insanity to avoid facing a lenthy prison sentence. He got sent to the farm, and went insane probably as a coping reflex. He's got a serious fixation with B-movie monsters and other things demonic, and gives an amazing interview. He released 4-5 records during the '80s on various small labels that are worth getting if you see them in the bargin bin. The music is mostly Creedence/ZZ blues boogie, but the lyrics are worth it. I think that the covers comp was done to raise money to keep him from getting evicted, but I haven't heard anything about it in a while. --John -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu Subject: disco again To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 17:07:36 CDT From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" >"Disco Sucks": >That, coupled with rumblings I'd been hearing about how much of the >Disco Sucks Bandwagon had been racially motivated prompted me to >try to and actually listen with as few preconceptions as I could. Disco was also closely associated with the gay (especially gay male) subculture of the late '70s, and with breaking down traditional gender roles. Anyone knows how much of the Bandwagon was motivated by homophobia? (Of course I'm not saying that you couldn't hate disco because you hated the music. And I'm also aware that a lot of opposition to disco also came from musicians who have fewer opportunities to play live gigs because people are spending money at discotheques.) Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Down Subject: Syd To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 17:39:36 CDT Sam Hughes asks: >another story. _Meddle_ is one album I would not be without. What about Syd >Barrett? Is he out of the funny farm yet or is he even still alive? I understand that he is living in Cambridge with his mother, just sort of pokes around. He's balding and has a bit of a paunch... He realizes that he did the Pink Floyd thing, but doesn't really talk about it at all. The other original members make sure that he is financially cared for. Doug -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: God's Favorite Networker Subject: Re: Happy Wallets, Angry Ears To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 15:59:41 CDT >>well, I did the same thing. I went to get the peppers and >>Nirvana and saw signs all over saying new Soundgarden >Hey, how about a review of the new Chili's disc? I didn't really care for >_Mother's Milk_ all that much,but I like their early stuff quite a bit. And >seeing how much is out right now I'm being a little cautious. Well, I did like 2 songs off _Mother's Milk_ (Taste the Pain and Knock me Down) and my school paper (where I write a column of drivel) has recieved a copy that the music reviewer has snagged. This guy is clueless, he gave an A+ to the NEW JACK CITY soundtrack. NO SOUNDTRACK- NO COMPILATION, EITHER, IS AN A+. He might review it and he does have it, but I'm grabbing it as soon as he's done. BTW, I snagged Straightjacket Fits from the pile, and it rocks. Clueless Joe said straight off that he wasn't interested. A record reviewer who isn't interested in music. What a dork! >Dave, yes, I've been listening. Actually, I've known about "Rappers Delight" >and all of the early rap scene for many years,but this Last Poets stuff is >new to me. Would you and/or Bill Tsu like to give some details? SugarHill >Gang was indeed 1979, so I assume Last Poets predated this? Try 1972, from what I can tell. Imagine people banging on bongo drums and chanting while the main voice says "Niggers are scared of Revolution". REAL black power stuff. Newspeak says that PE is as scary as sudden footsteps in the night but they don't know REAL black power stuff. Eldridge Cleaver got his start after he was jailed for rape. Chuck D. got his start after being a DJ for a college radio station. >Rob >I will not. Never, ever. Not at all. Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "Silence is the most dangerous sound" -Fugazi, KYEO -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: Happy Wallets, Angry Ears To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 15:34:45 PDT > > well, I did the same thing. I went to get the peppers and > Nirvana and saw signs all over saying new Soundgarden > avaliable 10/8. I was bummed since I had just found > out that it was postponed until 10/1. Are you in Seattle? > Is it just here? > -Renee number two > ya Renee, im in Seattle too. Since yer a UW person, it might have been the same store. It was at beehive on 45th. Maybe they cant get copies til the 8th, and theyre just trying to brainwash us. Its a plot, i just know it! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: Happy Wallets, Angry Ears To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 15:51:45 PDT Rob sez > > Hey, how about a review of the new Chili's disc? I didn't really care for > _Mother's Milk_ all that much, but I like their early stuff quite a bit. And > seeing how much is out right now I'm being a little cautious. > > I gotta say I was pleasantly surprised. I thought they were going a little in the metal direction on mum's milk with John F.'s guitar and such. I liked MM but there's been a flood of that kinda stuff lately, sorta cheap imitations. But the new one is a lot different, not metal at all. I've only listened to it twice, which is no small feat at 74 mins! The flea slap 'n pop fest is non-existant. There are some very uncharacteristic ballads, 2 maybe. 1 or 2 bluesy numbers. Very raw quitar reminiscent of Hendrix in places (tone wise). Anthony sez fuck a lot, so my mother would hate it. There is a nice catalog of tattoos on the sleeve for those interested. I dont really know what else to say until I listen some more. The opening track is very Rap like, I think they even thank Blondie. Its more Urban Dance Squadish (the first track). I think its like nothing they've ever done. I'm a big fan of Rick Ruben (the producer) and I hear his influence a lot in places. Bottom line, I reccommend it, full on. the other john -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Jarvinen Subject: flourishing list To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 19:00:34 EDT While it is great to see the Grunge list flourish, could we please cut out discussing rap, disco, and Pink Floyd? 20-30 messages a day are too many and if less than half of them are even about Grunge I'm going to have to un-subscribe. The same goes for personal messages, and spelling corrections. A Grunge Fest for grungelisters in geographic areas sounds cool, but you can all send email to each other and save the rest of us. Another idea is digestifying the list so my mailbox isn't so flooded all the time. And remember, if you want to talk about the whiners in the Cure, there is the New-Music mailing list; for rap/funk there is the Funky-Music mailing list, and there is a Pink Floyd mailing list I've always wanted to read but have never known the address. Onto some good news ... got up today and was pleasantly surprised by a Cynics flyer on a pole outside. Only $5 at the door, the music bargain of the fall it looks like. Glad to see they are on the road. And I'm wondering if any of you out there could tell me anything about two bands I've never seen mentioned in any music-type press anywhere: Lonely Trailer (Champaign, IL), and Moon (somewhere on the East Coast ??? album for Sky-Clad recorded in Ohio). Not as grungey as I'd like but both bands have catchy lyrics with a singer that has a certain bored quality that is perfect for when the temp. is 45, it's overcast and about to start drizzling again. PS - Big Chief has another 45 out but I can't afford it just yet. Anyone catch their West Coast tour? I guess Pink Floyd does have some grunge connections - the Necros covered "The Nile Song" after all. But enough about Floyd. And is there anyone on this list in the DC area? Any grunge-like happenings on October 6th, 7th, or 8th; or in Maryland? -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: Corrosion Of Conformity skulls To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 16:07:39 PDT > > Funny, I wore my CoC shirt with the skull and the warning sticker logo to the > Bad Brains show last month, and got *tons* of compliments. > Ya, it must be a cool thing to do, cause Kim Thayil (soundgarden) was wearing one last week when I saw them. I always hear lots of CoC stories from a guy in my band who toured with them as their T-shirt/merchandise guy. Anyway... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: FINALLY!/GRUNGEFEST/SPRING BREAK! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 16:25:59 PDT > > Now for all you spoiled mid-westerners, During our first year, we were > talking about starting the new spring break thing. I declaireify spring break > '92 be held at Seattle Beach! > > Wadduthink? > Ya! I'm a coming to upstate NY for grungefest, so y'all can come out here to my new home for spring break. I will warn, Seattle beaches are way lame. We could even have the west coast bash at my house, but it would just be us, cuz i have no friends. :( Well, maybe i could rent some! haas-hole haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 15:56:09 PDT > > >And speaking of DGC, I can think of four cool bands on the label so far: > >Nirvana, GNR, Sonic Youth, and the Stone Roses. Who else is on this label? > > Well, I thought GNR was on Geffen, not DGC, not that the distinction means > much. I think that might be the bulk of them, at least from what I know. > Meaning DGC is the home of three (or four) of my fave bands. No stinkers > here. What a great track record. > I think Warrior Soul is on DGC aren't they? Or at least I think "Last Decade, Dead Century" was. john -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: yeah, I hear that too To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 16:15:31 PDT > > > September 24th *same day as Soundgarden.. Jon and I had plans to raid the > > music store* but it was delayed til November.. Then early 1992!! :((( > > > > Let me just clarify I was raiding the store for my CD version of > "Badmotorfinger", not "Listen without prejeduce vol.2" > > Jon > "Faith" restored! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: misc. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 16:19:49 PDT > > I am so very excited, I just got tickets to a show > on Halloween with Bikini Kill, Mudhoney, and Nirvana! > It should be quite a show. It's weird though they are > playing at this really big theater and last time I saw > Nirvana was a couple of years ago in a room in the > student union building here at school, the same for > Mudhoney. Anyway I just wanted to share my excitement. > If anyone is going to be in the Seattle area at the > end of October get tickets!!! > I'll be there as well, and I share yer glee! And if you wind up in front of me, STAY OFF YER CHAIR! john haas-hole haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMSMARC%UGA.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: three grunge albums To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 21:26:11 EDT hey pat... Buy the new 'Nirvana'.... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: flourishing list To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 18:34:09 PDT > > While it is great to see the Grunge list flourish, could we > please cut out discussing rap, disco, and Pink Floyd? 20-30 One of the things I like best about this list, is that we all basically seem to be in the same general mindset (musically). So if someone here recommends a rap band, I'm much more likely to listen to them than someone on a rap list. I do like rap, but only a very small subset. That subset seems to shared amongst the grungers . > messages a day are too many and if less than half of them are > even about Grunge I'm going to have to un-subscribe. The same Is that a threat??! > goes for personal messages, and spelling corrections. A Grunge > Fest for grungelisters in geographic areas sounds cool, but > you can all send email to each other and save the rest of us. Well, for one thing, I don't think everyone one this list knows were everyone else on this list lives, so to contact everyone in a specific geo. area would be very difficult. Me, for example, I live in Seattle, but my family is in new york. I'm interested in goings on in both places. One more thing, I would like to send this post to you personally, cause its directed at you, but no where in you post is your unix address. Therefore a reply to grunge-l was my only choice. Do you know everyone's address on this list? Beside, there are about 75-80 people on this list, most of whom are just observers who never/rarely post. I used to be one of them. I guess I'm just sayin I dont wanna be saved. > Another idea is digestifying the list so my mailbox isn't so > flooded all the time. And remember, if you want to talk about > the whiners in the Cure, there is the New-Music mailing list; Speaking of whiners..... > for rap/funk there is the Funky-Music mailing list, and there is > a Pink Floyd mailing list I've always wanted to read but have > never known the address. > My philosopyhy on posting is that if no one wants to talk about it, if its "not grunge", then there wont be any replies, and it will take care of itself. Obviously a lot of grungers wanna talk about rap this week, maybe it was the full moon. Who knows. Who cares. There's very little bad Kharma on this list, lets keep it dat way! john haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMSMARC%UGA.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Happy Wallets, Angry Ears To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 21:50:37 EDT What's the verdict on the Red Hots new CD....??? Saw the new video on eMpTV... Has anyone seen Nirvana on this latest tour...??? They are coming to Athens GA next week... I think Das Damen is opening Marc the covariate.... (too much coffee and multivariate statistics) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMSMARC%UGA.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Floyd 'n stuff To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 22:06:31 EDT Syd Barret I believe lives with his mother in seclusion... Apparently he is quite heavy and does a lot of painting... (I heard this on an interview with David Gilmour)... Buy "Your Living All Over Me" - Dinasour Jr... marc... that covariate in Athens GA -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMSMARC%UGA.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Grungefest To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 22:11:05 EDT I might be able to make a 'fest in Western NY... I escaped from Buffalo along time ago... but most of my family is still up there... but the drive from Georgia would be a big pain in the ass -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Be nice now!!!! (waving finger) To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Thu, 26 Sep 91 23:29:43 EDT > > messages a day are too many and if less than half of them are > > even about Grunge I'm going to have to un-subscribe. The same > > Is that a threat??! > I hope you don't Brian. You are an asset whether you are silent or posting abundantly as you have in the past. Brian has been on the list since the begining and I am sure he was just stressed with all the mail, so piece out and grunge on dudes! By thw way this was a landmark day, we reached the limmmit of mail that the list allows in one day, 50. I didn't even know the list had a limmit. I suppose this is to avoid someone pranking a list by sending mass mail to it. I reset the counter, so grunge to it boys! Jon -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Be nice now!!!! (waving finger) To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Thu, 26 Sep 91 23:29:43 EDT > > messages a day are too many and if less than half of them are > > even about Grunge I'm going to have to un-subscribe. The same > > Is that a threat??! > I hope you don't Brian. You are an asset whether you are silent or posting abundantly as you have in the past. Brian has been on the list since the begining and I am sure he was just stressed with all the mail, so piece out and grunge on dudes! By thw way this was a landmark day, we reached the limmmit of mail that the list allows in one day, 50. I didn't even know the list had a limmit. I suppose this is to avoid someone pranking a list by sending mass mail to it. I reset the counter, so grunge to it boys! Jon -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dyslexia Subject: MECCA NORMAL To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 08:48:45 TZONE In regards to Dave at U Mass asking about Mecca Normal, whom he heard and liked despite the fact he "usually doesn't go for that kinda stuff," well, yes, I have an opinion about the band and that is that they are the most awesome band in the world practically...they're so intense and impassioned and all those rock critic words beautiful and extreme and whatever...they're solely vocals (by Jean Smith, flat, loud, and monotonous) and electric guitar (by David Lester, jagged, abrasive, and abrupt, with lots of frantic banging and caressing of strange locations on said guitar that are usually not, uh, caressed. (Mr. Lester, by the way, is a love god, and you can tell him I told you because it has nothing to do with my appreciation of them))double parentheses--my fault!! They have out three full albums (one by themselves, one on K, and one a co-release with K and Matador) and lots of singles, on K and on their own Smarten Up! label out of Vancouver B. C. OK, sometimes, they're a bit too grating and atonal for their own good, but they're intensely rhythmic and often hit moments of ridiculously STIRRING BEAUTY Live, they're amazing--GO SEE THEM AT ALL COSTS, David is incredible to watch, like how you might imagine seeing Gang of Four in 1979 might have been, and Jean gives everyone the willies as she screams "I think you have a loose cunt" at poor little innocent Beat Happening and Fugazi fans in the audience who then go complain to their little boyfriends in their little gas station attendant jackets. BUT I DIGRESS. MY CURRENT DREAM IS TO RELEASE A SPLIT SINGLE WITH MECCA NORMAL AND THE MELVINS, THE TWO MOST EXTREME AND WONDROUS (AND IDENTICAL AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED) BANDS AROUND RIGHT NOW, COVERING EACH OTHER'S SONGS. And I know for a fact each band loves the other (as well they should because each band is filled with wonderful and extremely intelligent human beings) so maybe it is possible. Go see Mecca Normal and tell them some guy in Seattle told you to go and they'll be happy. And so will you. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Undetermined origin c/o Postmaster Subject: Roky To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 09:33:40 CET >Syd Barret I believe lives with his mother in seclusion... Apparently he is >quite heavy and does a lot of painting... (I heard this on an interview with >David Gilmour)... As far as I know he does live with his mother in Cambridge where he works in a restuarant washing dishes. Check out the song - I Know Where Syd Barrett Lives by the Television Personalities. >If you mean Rory Erickson, yup, sure, I've heard some. I believe there's a Roky Erikson. >"best of" compilation of his called "Gravest Hits" that would probably be a >good starting place for most. There's also a tribute album done by a lot of >hip bands as well. I think I'm wrong, but I recall that it was just called >"A Tribute To Rory Erickson" or something lame-o like that. >I've heard 13th Floor Elevators as well, but not very much. Have nothing by >them either. A friend was a big fan way back, so that's the only reason I've >even heard about them. Anyone wanna fill us in? There was a compilation album of his songs covered by various bands such as Primal Scream, Butthole Surfers, ZZ Top, John Wesley Harding and many others called Where The Pyramid Meets The Eye, very good. There is in fact quite a few of these which are quite good. I only own the above plus the Hendrix and Stones ones and a lot of the covers on these albums called well be called Grunge. If you like New Model Army, then check out a band called Loud who I caught a few days ago in Frankfurt. Quite similiar but a lot noisier and faster. Seb +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Sebastian Welton, Operations Analyst, C.S.S.G., ECD/CS, Serco Space, | | Meteosat Ground Computer Support, European Space Operations Centre, | | Darmstadt, Germany. SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET or OPSUPP@ESOC.BITNET | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Animals don't smoke Animals don't wear make-up Animals don't drink Animals don't take drugs Because humans do Why must they. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Timothy R. Williams" Subject: Re: Rap/Disco/etc To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 12:01:28 TZONE \begindata{text,19166364} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" sez: \leftindent{ "Disco Sucks": I always wonder how many people who say that "disco sucks" have actually listened to a disco song in the last ten years. I say that because two or three years ago, I realized that I hadn't. That, coupled with rumblings I'd been hearing about how much of the Disco Sucks Bandwagon had been racially motivated prompted me to try to and actually listen with as few preconceptions as I could. I ended up deciding that disco doesn't really suck after all. I don't see it ever replacing punk rock in my musical cosmos, but give me the *Saturday Night Fever* soundtrack over Boston or Bad Company any day. }I agree, except for the fact that I listen to tons of soul music from the 70's. It seems perfectly reasonable for me to listen to one of my Earth Wind and Fire or Isaac Hayes records and then put on Steel Pole Bathtub or the Fluid. It all sounds good. shake it baby you won't break it, Timmy Hogbitch tw1o+@andrew.cmu.edu\ \enddata{text,19166364} -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Cluff Subject: Re: FUCK THAT RAP-SHIT!!! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 08:37:00 EDT thy BERND! >...sorry...tB! Relaaaaaaaxxxx... I think it's good that most of the grunge-sters have an open mind. And if you don't think it fits the Grunge charter, well, did your message? obGRUNGE: I'll post the Sonics info and the Teen Beat info very soon, as promised. This has been a bitch of a week for me (but, hey, the group's gotten interesting, thus keeping my mind off my work). Mike C mike%luick@ubvms or v22964qs@ubvms -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Sonic Youth, not! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 08:57:47 EDT >>I'd like to get Stooges and MC5 stuff as well, but I've just about given up. >The Stooges stuff is all around--on CD even. I've been hearing rumors >that Elektra is going to rerelease the MC5's albums "sometime soon". I haven't seen any Stooges material in my neck of the woods (big surprise there, no) but I'm wary of "greatest hits" and such compilations. Looks like I'll have to dig the old Motorbooty mags out and get the real poop on the real albums from both bands. I'll post anything interesting I dig up. >*This Ain't the Sonics!!!* (gotta remember those '!'s) is a great album. >You all need it desperately. Oops. It is indeed a great tribute-style album, although many of the ones I've heard in recent years have caught my ear as well. I prefer The Flaming Lips psuedo-cover of "Strychnine" better than the one on _TATS!!!_ though. Anyone know of other Sonics covers not found on that comp? Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not bend or break punkers' spiked hair. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: 13th Floor Elevators To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 09:09:27 EDT John sez: >It's RoKy. The record Chip is talking about is _Gremlins Have Pictures_ >(Pink Dust). Actually, after some discussion with Eric Weenie-dude last night, I believe there's actually two different people: Rory Erickson and Roky Erikson. >He's got a serious fixation with B-movie monsters and other things demonic, >and gives an amazing interview. He released 4-5 records during the '80s >on various small labels that are worth getting if you see them in the >bargin bin. The music is mostly Creedence/ZZ blues boogie, but the lyrics >are worth it. I think that the covers comp was done to raise money to >keep him from getting evicted, but I haven't heard anything about it in >a while. I guess we know who Roky is, so who is Rory? Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not grease the monkey bars. I will not grease policemen's cars. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth Ann Schaefer Subject: I forgot To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 09:20:23 -0500 Well now that I've heard the new Nirvana and love it, I get to go to my friendly record shop (unlike the one I work at ;-) ) and pick up my latest Nirvana live boot. YEAH!!!!!!! I can't wait!!!!! The shop owner has had great success with finding nifty Nirvana boots. Also "Bleach" was just re-released on pink vinyl. I wish they'd stop the colored vinyl thing, how many copies of "Bleach" can one own? Never enough. Well I'll have details after the weekend. Oh yeah if anyone else is interested let me know. Beth. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ozzy Stillborn Subject: ANTHRAX/PUBLIC ENEMY/PRIMUS To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 10:51:52 EDT Someone mentioned a tour containing ANTHRAX, PUBLIC ENEMY, and PRIMUS that was going on out west. Is this for real? Does anyone have any info on this? Can anyone help me? Oh yeah wasn't MUDHONEY touring around? Would like to see them. And MELVINS are playing here in sunny florida - gainesville - next Friday! later -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian J. Eck" Subject: Re: Nirvana To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 10:56:24 EDT A swell person, specifically frash thunkin'!, writes: > > Does anyone out there like the new Nirvana on (gag) David Geffen Co. > records?? The cover's way cool. I've only listened to a few songs > off it and so far pretty good. Some more melodic than last one. > I predict a video on MTV... i must say that i absolutely LOVE _Nevermind_. they are truly greater than human. they're playing here in philly on the first of october as well...should be ground-shaking. there are a few (read: 2) slow songs on the new album, but neither are too terribly boring. "polly" is kinda goofy. the other 10 songs are simply amazing, especially "Lithium". why can't all sub-pop bands be this good? video on mtv mayhaps, but it's okey. david geffen hasn't done anything to hurt nirvana. brian -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Brian Eck | "Punk? I hate the stuff. I wouldn't | |eck@eniac.seas.upenn.edu | have it in the house." - Mark E Smith | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat Padua Subject: Re: Living Room Mosh Tips To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 10:57:56 EDT It is NOT "Rocky", but "Roky". I've got some 13th floor elevators stuff, and one of the coolest things about them is that in every song you hear what sounds like someone sliding a jug up and down the guitar neck. If that isn't grunge... Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Murtaugh Subject: negative cash flow To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 11:24:04 CDT You people are a bad influence. Since subscribing to this group, I've been buying cd's at a rate that simply cannot be sustained. Yesterday I'm in the store for the third time this week and I see a copy of Negativland's U2, but I make myself leave without it. Today, reading through the 100+ messages, I get this feverish feeling that makes me run down to the store clutching my VISA card -- but of course Negativland is gone. So I picked up the new Nirvana instead. It's a sickness, I need help. -Paul -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: Re: FINALLY!/GRUNGEFEST/SPRING BREAK! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 11:27:24 -0500 hmmm... well, that all depends on when I have spring break and when you have spring break.. could be different... but, yeah, been a while since I've been to wasington state. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: Re: FINALLY!/GRUNGEFEST/SPRING BREAK! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 11:33:26 -0500 yeah.. join a frat. snort. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: Re: MECCA NORMAL To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 11:39:51 -0500 here, we have a dedicated fan. FRANKenChRIST leper@judy.indstate.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: Re: ANTHRAX/PUBLIC ENEMY/PRIMUS To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 11:42:58 -0500 I've heard of this.... supposedely they're going to be playing a lot of stuff off of _KIller B's_ and _Persistance of time_ (which they also did on the Clash of the titans tour (AWESOME!!))... Hopefully they'll be surprising us with some new shit and play the old _I am the Man_ FRANKenChRIST leper@judy,i blah.... leper@judy.indstate.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Revised List Processor (1.7a) Subject: Delivery error notice sent to list GRUNGE-L To: HILGREEN@acsu.buffalo.edu Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 12:47:27 -0400 The enclosed mail file, found in the GRUNGE-L reader and shown under the spoolid 8656 in the console log, has been identified as a possible delivery error notice for the following reason: mail origin seems to be a mailer or mail-daemon. ------------------------- Message in error (36 lines) ------------------------- Received: from UBVM by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0766; Fri, 27 Sep 91 12:46:46 EDT Received: from uvm-gen.uvm.edu by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with TCP; Fri, 27 Sep 91 12:46:42 EDT Received: from banzai.UUCP by uvm-gen.uvm.edu with UUCP id AA13682 (5.65/1.08); Fri, 27 Sep 91 12:46:30 -0400 Received: by banzai.PCC.COM (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.1) id ; Fri, 27 Sep 91 12:34 EDT Received: by thumper.PCC.COM (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.1) id ; Fri, 27 Sep 91 12:22 EDT Message-Id: From: root%thumper.pcc.com@uvm-gen.UVM.EDU (Admin) Subject: Re: ANTHRAX/PUBLIC ENEMY/PRIMUS To: uvm-gen.UVM.EDU!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!GRUNGE-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu Date: Fri, 27 Sep 91 12:22:36 EDT In-Reply-To: <9109271501.AA14582@griffin.uvm.edu>; from "Ozzy Stillborn" at Sep 27, 91 10:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > Someone mentioned a tour containing ANTHRAX, PUBLIC ENEMY, and PRIMUS that was > going on out west. Is this for real? Does anyone have any info on this? Can > anyone help me? Yup, they're also with something called "Fresh Young Negroes" or something like that (I'm NOT being ethnocentric, I just can't remember their name and that's as close as I could get). I had a ticket to this show and a Nirvana one the next night in D.C., but I had to cancel. I am still seriously contemplating suicide... -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I'm not a cool guy anymore, as if I ever [were] before... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Revised List Processor (1.7a) Subject: Delivery error notice sent to list GRUNGE-L To: HILGREEN@acsu.buffalo.edu Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 12:47:32 -0400 The enclosed mail file, found in the GRUNGE-L reader and shown under the spoolid 8657 in the console log, has been identified as a possible delivery error notice for the following reason: mail origin seems to be a mailer or mail-daemon. ------------------------- Message in error (35 lines) ------------------------- Received: from UBVM by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0770; Fri, 27 Sep 91 12:46:57 EDT Received: from uvm-gen.uvm.edu by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with TCP; Fri, 27 Sep 91 12:46:51 EDT Received: from banzai.UUCP by uvm-gen.uvm.edu with UUCP id AA13685 (5.65/1.08); Fri, 27 Sep 91 12:46:31 -0400 Received: by banzai.PCC.COM (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.1) id ; Fri, 27 Sep 91 12:44 EDT Received: by thumper.PCC.COM (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.1) id ; Fri, 27 Sep 91 12:33 EDT Message-Id: From: root%thumper.pcc.com@uvm-gen.UVM.EDU (Admin) Subject: Re: Sonic Youth, not! To: uvm-gen.UVM.EDU!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!GRUNGE-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu Date: Fri, 27 Sep 91 12:33:11 EDT In-Reply-To: <9109271300.AA11910@griffin.uvm.edu>; from "Rob Vaughn" at Sep 27, 91 8:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > I haven't seen any Stooges material in my neck of the woods (big surprise > there, no) but I'm wary of "greatest hits" and such compilations. Looks like > I'll have to dig the old Motorbooty mags out and get the real poop on the real > albums from both bands. I'll post anything interesting I dig up. Oh, jeeze. Elektra and whomever have released Fun House and whatever their title bit was on CD a while ago. I bought one for myself and for a friend's birthday. "I Wanna' Be Your Dog" should be the grunge National Anthem. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I'm not a cool guy anymore, as if I ever [were] before... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: Floyd 'n stuff To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 08:55:18 EST > God, I love all this Pink Floyd talk... Those of you who agree should immediately send mail to: and git yerself on the Floyd list. We need some more grungy nose-pickers over there. Too much Tangerine Dream talk lately ;) . (seriously, TD is OK) Ron -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Bauhaus (yeah!) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 09:03:58 EST > Some people mentioned bauhaus, Tones on Tail, and Love & Rockets as having > some grungy songs. Oh boyoboyoboyoboy! A Bauhaus thread! Man, one of my all time favorite bands. I've gotta admit that Daniel Ash plays a mean noisy axe, but most of the non-Bauhaus stuff they've done really doesn't do a whole lot to me compared to Bauhaus. I mean, I like L&R just fine, but it doesn't have that gritty and depressing edge that set Bauhaus apart from the crowd. Give me Peter Murphy on vocals any day. He's one cool dude, and I like his solo stuff even if it isn't very high on the guitar-drone axis. Ron Crucified for your crimes Hung on the cross to die Spikes in your limbs to pay for your sins An eye for an eye will justify Murder by the State - Corrosion Of Conformity -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Black Power To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 09:31:28 EST > Imagine people banging on bongo drums > and chanting while the main voice says "Niggers are scared of > Revolution". REAL black power stuff. Wow, this sounds cool as shit. Does anyone have this on record? Details, folks, we need details. I'd like to crank this at about 11 in the middle of the night. My SO will hate my guts. > Eldridge Cleaver got his start after he was jailed for rape. Real credential there. I've always liked reading/listening to his speeches, but this is ridiculous. > Chuck D. got his start after being a DJ for a college radio station. Much as I disdain the mock-intellectuals in college, this is a major point in Chuck D's favor IMO. People will listen to a college-boy far more readily than a rapist. Ron "Crumb Bum" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: Rap/Disco/etc To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 10:14:17 EST > rumblings I'd been hearing about how much of the > Disco Sucks Bandwagon had been racially motivated Rumblings that are complete BS. The characteristically PC response to bone- head criticisms like "Disco Sucks" is {Race|Sex|Specieism}. In my little corner of the melting pot in Los Angeles, I can state unequivocally that the Disco Sucks chant wasn't assumed by white male Kiss fans alone. Furthermore, the disco movement was chock-full of white performers and participants, just like all trendy pop fashions that arise now and then. Disco wasn't a vehicle for racial revolution, it was one of those things that come and go like Pet Rocks and Mood Rings. In all honesty, I've listened to some of that old 70's disco recently, and it's actually pretty cool, for nostalgia reasons mostly. But that doesn't mean I'm going to fall into this retro-70's craze (other than the punk revolution, which I've never outgrown). Don't mean to be too hard on you soren, but let's put these things in per- spective. Rap doesn't really equal disco. Sure Vanilla Ice is hot on the 'club music' circuit, but it doesn't hold a candle to Public Enemy or NWA. It's all a question of priorities, just like rock. Mindless drivel sucks, whether it's Poison or the BeeGees. > give me the *Saturday Night Fever* soundtrack over Boston or Bad Company > any day. Each to his own, bud. Boston _is_ pretty boring, but if you'll choose the BeeGees over Free/old Bad Co./Paul Rodgers, well... Gimme Led Zep any day. > Obgrunge content: Someone should do a cover of "Disco Inferno". I could swear that I've heard a hardcore cover of DI on the radio. Any of you still in college with access to the radio library? I have no details at all. For a disco tune, DI is awfully cool. Ron "weed up my rocker butt" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: ANTHRAX/PUBLIC ENEMY/PRIMUS To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 09:12:55 PDT > > Someone mentioned a tour containing ANTHRAX, PUBLIC ENEMY, and PRIMUS that was > going on out west. Is this for real? Does anyone have any info on this? Can > anyone help me? > > Oh yeah wasn't MUDHONEY touring around? Would like to see them. > > And MELVINS are playing here in sunny florida - gainesville - next Friday! > ya, I think I was the one who mentioned the PE, Thrax, Primus show. Its coming here to seattle on oct 26. I dont know where this tour is taking them, but I sounds like a nationwide thing. Mudhoney is touring, they're playing here w/ nirvana, and i know they've been to the NE, but as far as the SE, I dont know. The Seattle show is on holloween. john haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Seth Dobbs Subject: Re: Bauhaus (yeah!) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 13:27:37 CDT > > Oh boyoboyoboyoboy! A Bauhaus thread! Man, one of my all time favorite > bands. I've gotta admit that Daniel Ash plays a mean noisy axe, but most of > the non-Bauhaus stuff they've done really doesn't do a whole lot to me compared > to Bauhaus. I mean, I like L&R just fine, but it doesn't have that gritty and > depressing edge that set Bauhaus apart from the crowd. Yeah, there was a definite unique feel to the Bauhaus music. I heard somewhere that part of the intensity was due to peronality conflicts within the band or something. The problem is that about the only stuff of theirs that is on disc are import$$$. But I usually manage to convince myself that it's worth it :-) > > Give me Peter Murphy on vocals any day. He's one cool dude, and I like his > solo stuff even if it isn't very high on the guitar-drone axis. I just got Deep this summer, and he's definitely gone more synth-oriented. But I agree, his voice definitely makes it worthwhile, and the music is still good. > ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do -- Seth T. Dobbs | Internet: sethd@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com GSS/AMT Motorola Inc. | "We are all fighting the same fight, We are all in the same war" - Living Colour "Never give in" - The Cure -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NATASHA Subject: Re: Be nice now!!!! (waving finger) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 15:01:00 EDT > I reset the counter, so grunge to it boys! > Jon And the two Renee's?? :)) later, The Eastern Renee :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: Sonic Youth, not! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 14:17:02 -0600 >>The Stooges stuff is all around--on CD even. I've been hearing rumors >>that Elektra is going to rerelease the MC5's albums "sometime soon". >I haven't seen any Stooges material in my neck of the woods (big surprise >there, no) but I'm wary of "greatest hits" and such compilations. Looks like >I'll have to dig the old Motorbooty mags out and get the real poop on the real >albums from both bands. I'll post anything interesting I dig up. There are three "real" albums, and they are all on CD: *The Stooges* (Elektra) *Fun House* (Elektra) *Raw Power* (CBS) Note that they are all U.S. major label releases. These are real easy to get. Any halfway decent record store can special order them for you. They are all midline or budgetline prices. >>*This Ain't the Sonics!!!* (gotta remember those '!'s) is a great album. >>You all need it desperately. >Oops. It is indeed a great tribute-style album, although many of the ones I've >heard in recent years have caught my ear as well. I prefer The Flaming Lips >psuedo-cover of "Strychnine" better than the one on _TATS!!!_ though. Anyone >know of other Sonics covers not found on that comp? I'm sure there's a bunch of them. Lessee....I think the Fuzztones do "Strychnine" somewhere. The Miracle Workers do "Psycho" on their debut 7" (available on *Moxie's Revenge*). I think the Lyres do a couple on *A Promise is a Promise*. There's a Swedish band called the Creeps who do "Maintaining My Cool" (I haven't heard it--a friend just picked it up used). soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Sonic Youth, not! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 17:00:52 EDT soren sez: >There are three "real" albums, and they are all on CD: > *The Stooges* (Elektra) > *Fun House* (Elektra) > *Raw Power* (CBS) Thanks. I will look into these when I get a chance. Should be soon. I will still dig out that Stooges article for kicks, maybe there'll be some stuff of interest. Any clues on The MC5? >I'm sure there's a bunch of them. Lessee....I think the Fuzztones do >"Strychnine" somewhere. The Miracle Workers do "Psycho" on their debut >7" (available on *Moxie's Revenge*). I think the Lyres do a couple on Yowza. And to think, I only heard of the Sonics about two/three years ago. Look what I've been missing. Anyone like the Fuzztones? I grabbed an album of theirs used but was extrememly *un*impressed. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not fake my way through life. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Russ Poldrack Subject: Re: Sonic Youth, not! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 16:08:56 CDT > There are three "real" albums, and they are all on CD: > *The Stooges* (Elektra) > *Fun House* (Elektra) > *Raw Power* (CBS) > > Note that they are all U.S. major label releases. These are real easy > to get. Any halfway decent record store can special order them for you. > They are all midline or budgetline prices. > I don't think this is true. I know that "The Stooges" is still in print on CD, but I think Raw Power is out of print domestically. Russ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Revised List Processor (1.7a) Subject: Delivery error notice sent to list GRUNGE-L To: HILGREEN@acsu.buffalo.edu Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 17:16:02 -0400 The enclosed mail file, found in the GRUNGE-L reader and shown under the spoolid 1742 in the console log, has been identified as a possible delivery error notice for the following reason: "Sender:", "From:" or "Reply-To:" field pointing to the list has been found in mail body. ------------------------- Message in error (76 lines) ------------------------- Received: from UBVM by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6872; Fri, 27 Sep 91 17:14:43 EDT Received: from bigbird.bu.edu by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with TCP; Fri, 27 Sep 91 17:13:55 EDT Received: by bigbird.bu.edu (5.61+++/Spike-2.1) id AA21636; Fri, 27 Sep 91 17:11:06 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 91 17:11:06 -0400 From: ronbo@bigbird.bu.edu (Ronald Levasseur) Message-Id: <9109272111.AA21636@bigbird.bu.edu> To: GRUNGE-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Cc: GRUNGE-L@UBVM.bu.edu In-Reply-To: CMSMARC%UGA.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu's message of Thu, 26 Sep 1991 21:50:37 EDT <9109270155.AA20695@bigbird.bu.edu> Subject: Happy Wallets, Angry Ears Reply-To: ronbo@bucsf.bu.edu > Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 21:50:37 EDT > Reply-To: Grunge Rock Discussion List > Sender: Grunge Rock Discussion List From: > CMSMARC%UGA.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu > > > Has anyone seen Nirvana on this latest tour...??? They are coming to > Athens GA next week... I think Das Damen is opening > > Marc the covariate.... (too much coffee and multivariate statistics) > hey girls! ~8^@ i just saw nirvana at axis, here in boston. i waited 2-1/2 hours the night before to see them at the wfnx b-day party, but didn't get in. wfnx is one of those stations that plays 'cutting edge' music, and they've been playing 'smells like teen spirit' alot, so the trendy bunch showed up and kept me from getting in the first time around. i'm not saying that nirvana can't draw a crowd-- they filled up axis (a mid-size club) with an on-the-fly all-ages show, the night after the b-day party. i think they deserve the recognition....every one should listen to nirvana. the show. well, it was an absolutely mind-bending show. the pit was really cool (only one or two jocks). i got kinda disoriented because they had this strobe light going. but, none the less it was cool. i also witnessed the longest stagedive i've ever witnessed. there was this one guy who stage-dove and stayed up for about 4 minutes. he would start going down but people would get him back up. it just got annoying when the same guy would get passed over you over and over again. the best stage-dive that i saw that evening was performed by kurdt kobain during the guitar solo for one of the songs off of bleach. (i was just too into it to pay much attention). the most amazing part was that he was back on stage with no problems (guitar in hand) by the end of the solo. i've saw them last year, and he did the same thing....is this a common kurdt move? hmmmmm. nirvana started up with one of their new songs (which i'm too brain-dead to remember) and played many of their older favorites....negative creep, dive, sliver, been a son, floyd the barber, school. the mix of new and old was nice...smells like teen spirit, in bloom, breed, territorial pissings, and others...i didn't know the names of the new songs because i saw them on the day the album was released...in short, nirvana was nothing short of incredible. no one left unhappy, and i would see them again and again and again. i've seen das damen before. they are an okay live band. when i saw them, they all had short hair (not like on their album covers). i think they are much better in the studio though. chaindrive (slight return) was the highlight of the show i was at. they were right on. get the das damen "high anxiety" cd5...it's excellent. ronnnnnnnnnnnbo ps if you don't have the new nirvana album, spill the cash now, or i won't be your friend.... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: woj Subject: Re: 13th Floor Elevators To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 17:24:36 EDT sub-rob sez: >I guess we know who Roky is, so who is Rory? you thinking of rory gallagher, by any chance there? woj -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: Sonic Youth, not! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 15:31:47 -0600 Regarding the Fuzztones: They had an album on RCA called *In Heat* which is pretty disappointing. Their reputation is based on their previous indie releases. I've not heard very much, but *Lysergic Emanations* is considered a classic (I also have a friend who swears by it. There is an interview with the Fuzztones in a recent issue of FLIPSIDE in which Rudi Protrudi basically disowns the album. soren  -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Jarvinen To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 17:38:18 EDT Well, just to re-iterate, all I am asking is that a post to the grunge-list have some obligatory grunge content. I don't mind diversions about other tunes, but there comes a time when it gets to be too much. I read at least 5 different people tell me that Syd Barrett is still alive and living in England with his mu At least check to see if someone has answered a question before sending off a re Re: The Stooges - everyone on this list should have a copy of the first Stooges album. It is readily available everywhere, usually as a 'Super Saver' or otherwi discounted cut-out. On the CD you can even enjoy the luxury of hearing the whole thing without having to sit through "We Will Fall". "1969" and "I Wanna Be Yr Do are songs that quite simply can not be played too loud - they are always best at 11, a trademark of a grunge classic. Perhaps most of you haven't seen a copy of Spin or Rolling Stone that will surel report this, but Rob Tyner, lead singer of the MC5 died last week. (Speaking of that can't never be played too loud, the MC5's "Kick Out The Jams Motherfuckers! another). Over the last few years he had been playing solo gigs around here but saved my pennies, thinking 'oh he will be back in two months anyway'. I'm been k myself for a week. The only good news to be found in reading his many local obit is that his last project was working on the liner notes for CD issues of the MC5 I'm not sure if it was for Atlantic, which printed the 3rd MC5 album, "Back in t or Elektra, which released the essential 1st LP, a totaly ballsy debut album rec in Detroit in 1968. I don't know who who released the 2nd LP "High Time" as I ha been able to find it in any used shops yet. Incidentally, both the Stooges and t were signed to Elektra on the same weekend when Danny Fields came to Ann Arbor t both bands play at the Student Union. Ahh to have been a student here then. And was inspired to become Iggy Stooge after a Doors show at the Union in 1966, and hasn't been the same since. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: Bauhaus (yeah!) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 16:58:47 EST > The problem is that about the only stuff of theirs that > is on disc are import$$$. Get the 1979-1983 Compilations (Volumes One and Two). They're also imports, but you can find them fairly cheap (~$18 each) and for what you get they're well worth it. They have just about every Bauhaus album release, plus a few singles. Unfortunately, they cut the reggae solo from "She's In Parties," so it might be worthwhile to check the pristine versions on vinyl or disc if you can afford it. I also have "Burning From The Inside" and the Peel sessions discs. Great stuff, especially if it's a stormy day and you're really bummed. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: God's Favorite Networker Subject: Black Power To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 17:50:04 CDT >> Imagine people banging on bongo drums >> and chanting while the main voice says "Niggers are scared of >> Revolution". REAL black power stuff. > Wow, this sounds cool as shit. Does anyone have this on record? Details, >folks, we need details. I'd like to crank this at about 11 in the middle of >the night. My SO will hate my guts. I found out about it talking to my science fiction/linguistics teacher and he made me a dub. I wish I knew where to lead you. >> Eldridge Cleaver got his start after he was jailed for rape. > Real credential there. I've always liked reading/listening to his speeches, >but this is ridiculous. My point about all this is that people who think the current wave of Afro-centrism is anywhere near as "scary" as the earlier version in the 1960s. >> Chuck D. got his start after being a DJ for a college radio station. > Much as I disdain the mock-intellectuals in college, this is a major point >in Chuck D's favor IMO. People will listen to a college-boy far more readily >than a rapist. I tend to agree, although Cleaver's credibility is IMHO still higher for me than Chuck's, since he went thru a self-education process in prison, much like Malcolm X's, and he has seen his former self and condemned it. I look at "Black Steel in the Hour of Chaos" and see a riot going on, sure, but a riot perpetrated by someone who's never been in. I agree with some of his, well, much of his opinions, Cleaver is much more focused, IMHO > Ron "Crumb Bum" Rader Enough of this philosophy crud. I've been slammin' to "Smell the Magic" for multiple times while reading my mail, and it rocks!!!! Anything else coming out by them? Dave Bombs are fun, bombs are great, bombs help you lose that excess weight. [Iskra, 20-Apr-90] | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Orleans Subject: L7 or Mary's Danish? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 16:34:24 -0700 Okay, this is an emergency. After going to the Alice Donut / Victim's Family / Thatcher on Acid / Blister show this Sunday afternoon, I can either go see L7 / Wool / Delinquent John or I can see Mary's Danish / Texas Midgets. So which one should I see? I need to know before Sunday night, obviously. I've heard L7's _Smell the Magic_ and am a little under-impressed, and I really like M'sD's "Julie's Blanket", but haven't heard anything else from either band. The L7 show is here in Berkeley, so I'd kind of rather go to that than the M'sD show in SF. But that's not too big a deal. Thanks, DougO -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: woj Subject: Re: L7 or Mary's Danish? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 20:16:33 EDT mary's danish is really quite fun live, but their new album is kinda iffy, so i am not sure if that would carry over into their live shows or not. i would probably opt for them in the long run though - l7 is fun, but hey... woj (who will try to make the grungefest in buffalo - incidentially, rockin' jon, how goes wfft? my brother told me all about it last night...). -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: WFFT?!?!?! To: GRUNGE-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Fri, 27 Sep 91 21:34:43 EDT > (who will try to make the grungefest in buffalo - incidentially, rockin' > jon, how goes wfft? my brother told me all about it last night...). > Wait! Whao is your brother??? Real confused. Wow! I knew we were moving and shaking, but all the way to the garden state??? Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Revised List Processor (1.7a) Subject: Delivery error notice sent to list GRUNGE-L To: HILGREEN@acsu.buffalo.edu Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 21:38:50 -0400 The enclosed mail file, found in the GRUNGE-L reader and shown under the spoolid 5486 in the console log, has been identified as a possible delivery error notice for the following reason: "Sender:", "From:" or "Reply-To:" field pointing to the list has been found in mail body. ------------------------- Message in error (88 lines) ------------------------- Received: from UBVM by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 2484; Fri, 27 Sep 91 21:37:47 EDT Received: from lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with TCP; Fri, 27 Sep 91 21:37:36 EDT Received: by lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA18472; Fri, 27 Sep 91 21:37:27 EDT From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Message-Id: <9109280137.AA18472@lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu> Subject: Fowarded message to grunge-l To: grunge-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (Grunge Rock Discussion List) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 91 21:37:26 EDT Forwarded message: > Received: from UBVM by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6872; Fri, 27 > Sep 91 17:14:43 EDT > Received: from bigbird.bu.edu by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with > TCP; Fri, 27 Sep 91 17:13:55 EDT > Received: by bigbird.bu.edu (5.61+++/Spike-2.1) > id AA21636; Fri, 27 Sep 91 17:11:06 -0400 > Date: Fri, 27 Sep 91 17:11:06 -0400 > From: ronbo@bigbird.bu.edu (Ronald Levasseur) > Message-Id: <9109272111.AA21636@bigbird.bu.edu> > To: GRUNGE-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu > Cc: GRUNGE-L@UBVM.bu.edu > In-Reply-To: CMSMARC%UGA.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu's message of Thu, 26 Sep > 1991 21:50:37 EDT <9109270155.AA20695@bigbird.bu.edu> > Subject: Happy Wallets, Angry Ears > Reply-To: ronbo@bucsf.bu.edu > > > Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 21:50:37 EDT > > Reply-To: Grunge Rock Discussion List > > Sender: Grunge Rock Discussion List From: > > CMSMARC%UGA.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu > > > > > > Has anyone seen Nirvana on this latest tour...??? They are coming to > > Athens GA next week... I think Das Damen is opening > > > > Marc the covariate.... (too much coffee and multivariate statistics) > > > > hey girls! ~8^@ > > i just saw nirvana at axis, here in boston. i waited 2-1/2 hours the > night before to see them at the wfnx b-day party, but didn't get in. > wfnx is one of those stations that plays 'cutting edge' music, and they've > been playing 'smells like teen spirit' alot, so the trendy bunch showed up > and kept me from getting in the first time around. i'm not saying that > nirvana can't draw a crowd-- they filled up axis (a mid-size club) with > an on-the-fly all-ages show, the night after the b-day party. i think > they deserve the recognition....every one should listen to nirvana. > > the show. well, it was an absolutely mind-bending show. the pit was > really cool (only one or two jocks). i got kinda disoriented because > they had this strobe light going. but, none the less it was cool. > i also witnessed the longest stagedive i've ever witnessed. there was > this one guy who stage-dove and stayed up for about 4 minutes. he would > start going down but people would get him back up. it just got annoying > when the same guy would get passed over you over and over again. > the best stage-dive that i saw that evening was performed by kurdt kobain > during the guitar solo for one of the songs off of bleach. (i was just too > into it to pay much attention). the most amazing part was that he was > back on stage with no problems (guitar in hand) by the end of the solo. > i've saw them last year, and he did the same thing....is this a common > kurdt move? hmmmmm. > > nirvana started up with one of their new songs (which i'm too brain-dead to > remember) and played many of their older favorites....negative creep, dive, > sliver, been a son, floyd the barber, school. the mix of new and old > was nice...smells like teen spirit, in bloom, breed, territorial pissings, > and others...i didn't know the names of the new songs because i saw them > on the day the album was released...in short, nirvana was nothing short of > incredible. no one left unhappy, and i would see them again and again and > again. > > i've seen das damen before. they are an okay live band. when i saw them, > they all had short hair (not like on their album covers). i think they are > much better in the studio though. chaindrive (slight return) was the > highlight of the show i was at. they were right on. get the das damen > "high anxiety" cd5...it's excellent. > > ronnnnnnnnnnnbo > > ps if you don't have the new nirvana album, spill the cash now, > or i won't be your friend.... > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: 2 nirv To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 19:58:20 MDT well - so I go to watrax and get the new Nirvana CD and the CD single with 2 unreleased tracks! like it all very much - that last uh "20min song" ha ha ha on the CD is funny. I think that Pissing song - #7 is my fav. some great geetars on this kiddies I agree. ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Grunge List flood To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 22:22:53 EDT Brain Jarvenhead sez: >Perhaps most of you haven't seen a copy of Spin or Rolling Stone that will >surely report this, but Rob Tyner, lead singer of the MC5 died last week. >(Speaking of that can't never be played too loud, the MC5's "Kick Out The >Jams Motherfuckers! another). That's sad to hear. What happened? I've been looking for MC5 stuff as well (though not too hard, lots o' people tell me Stooges stuff is everywhere to be found, replyeth my wallet). Is the "tribute" rerelease thing inevitable? Rob -- I will not snore through fire drills. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: This turned into an opinion piece, feel free to skip To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 22:55:06 EDT Mr. Grunge Kitten Jr. sez: >Soundgarden toured with COC and Danzig last year. So who is this new CoC? Same lineup? Anyone know any details? I'd have to say that they were a pretty hard band to classify, although at times they might have fit into the above lineup neatly. Sorry to whip off these one liners. I'll try to condense and combine messages more in the future. I think the volume is getting a little high and I may be one of the major sources. Sorry. >Nothing personal, but Rob, Chip... Get a life! 8) Me, a life? Where? --------------------- John Hass-gun-will-travel mumbles: >One of the things I like best about this list, is that we all >basically seem to be in the same general mindset (musically). So if someone >here recommends a rap band, I'm much more likely to listen to them >than someone on a rap list. I do like rap, but only a very small >subset. That subset seems to shared amongst the grungers . I would have to agree with this. My current experiences have been: all-music list - caters to much too wide an area, so little gets discussed, and most of it doesn't interest me. new-music list - should cover a wider area, but tends to settle on a particular type of cutting edge electronic-style music (for lack of a better term, it's a flavor but a hard one to describe). While I enjoy that list immensely, I would *never* feel comfortable bringing up The Cure there, as someone suggested. Although a huge number of people subscribe to that list, maybe a dozen (at most) post once a week or more. Many take themselves and/or the music very seriously there, perhaps too much so. grunge list - although a specific topic, it gets off on lots of tangents that I enjoy. The few I don't (such as the Blondie/rap thing) I just delete without reading, no skin off my neck/back/brain. Lots of people participate. Everyone is a wise-ass and has a good sense of humor. It's fun to post to this list, and the pretention level is low. I can honestly say I feel comfortable talking here. A couple of net-music regulars (soren and Bill Tsu) are speaking up more, at least more than I recall they used to. That's a change for the better. I like the way things are going. >Beside, there are about 75-80 people on this list, most of whom are just >observers who never/rarely post. I used to be one of them. >I guess I'm just sayin I dont wanna be saved. This is what I like to see. I don't take music all that seriously, so I think everyone should have something to say about something here. I try to stay away from straight opinion myself, and just try to describe things and BS and talk rumors and stories and all that. It's fun. Music should be this fun. Everyone should feel comfortable enough to post. I like to BS about music, but I also want people to introduce me to new things. I may have never heard of The Last Poets, but I'm glad I have, grunge or no. Things like that make this list worthwhile to me. >> Another idea is digestifying the list so my mailbox isn't so >> flooded all the time. And remember, if you want to talk about >> the whiners in the Cure, there is the New-Music mailing list; Ah, Brian was the one who mentioned it. I'd rather not risk the wrath of many by doing that. But the digest idea may be one worth pursuing. Enough preaching. Guess I just needed to work out why I enjoy this and what it means, without getting into definitions or edicts or anything. Soapbox off. --------------------- Monsieur Billiam Hsu sez: >(Of course I'm not saying that you couldn't hate disco because you >hated the music. And I'm also aware that a lot of opposition to disco >also came from musicians who have fewer opportunities to play live >gigs because people are spending money at discotheques.) I'm glad you added this paragraph at the end, Bill, because it bothers me that I've heard some people imply in the past that the term "disco sucks" == "I hate gays". I personally am very pro-sexuality-choice but I can say, having suffered through the late '77 to early 80's disco thing, that 99% of it sucks. At least for me, it was a musical void. Perhaps soren could change that feeling, but I still get a stomach-ache when I hear the BeeGees. :( --------------------- I'll shut up now. Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Who are these Cynics and why are they using my name? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 22:59:42 EDT Brian Jarvinen orders: >Everyone reading this list should own a copy of the Cynics album "Rock and >Roll". Many a lad has got up the balls to title their music with old >black slang for fucking but the Cynics have made a record worthy of the >title. Yes, it is even better than the Zep song. Can you tell me some more about this. I've heard of the Cynics elsewhere but I didn't glean much information. Like, and did anyone ever decide if there is any Sonics stuff still in print, or whatever? I think I'd rather chase after their albums before MC5 or Stooges (personal preference, of course. Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMSMARC%UGA.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: This turned into an opinion piece, feel free to skip To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1991 12:23:26 EDT Regarding CoC... check out the current Spin... there is a small piece about the new lineup... marc -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Cluff Subject: TeenBeat 91/92 catalog (Unrest/Dustdevils/Sexual Milkshake) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1991 16:48:00 EDT Unrest/TeenBeat fans, Here is the mail-order info I promised, plus some catalog info I just received: TeenBeat P.O. Box 50373 Washington, DC 20091 Please make checks payable to Mark Robinson. All prices are postpaid in the USA. Add $1 per itemp for Canada or surface mail to Europe, Asia, etc. Add $3 per item for air mail to Europe, Asia, etc. TeenBeat 1991 to 1992 catalogue: [Warning for the irony-impaired: Mark usually has tongue firmly planted in cheek when writing up these descriptions] ----------------- SINGLES/7" EPs ----------------- 70. Unrest "winona ryder" EP (out 1/92) Comes in two different versions. Same A-side but two different (non-LP) B-sides. Please specify either MALE XY or FEMALE XX version. Vinyl is Black is Beautiful. (ltd. to 1,000 of each version) $3.50 69. Johnny Cohen "space butterfly" EP Johnny's back in hot pants, sporting the hottest fiddle player in the South. Folky campfire sing-o-longs, featuring "I'm not an anorexic" (ruined by Robinson mix). (ltd. to 500) $3.00 66. Eggs "ocelot/skyscraper" TeenBeat's first supergroup featuring Dave Park (ex-Unrest) and Andrew Beaujon (ex-Scaley Andrew). All copies on white vinyl, just like a fried egg with a french horn. (lt. to 1000) $3.00 62. Flying Saucer EP New hip hot movers and shakers in the Teen Beat scene. Coney Island baby. Glorious pop kickin' from the Brooklyn School of Cool. (lt. to 700) $3.00 55. Sexual Milkshake "space gnome & other hits" EP The most talked about single of the year and the most lavishly packaged single of all time. Comes with your own Deputy Android mask. Necessary. (edition of 2000) $3.00 [Transcriber's note: This is a really interesting EP. Not for everyone, but any band with a song called "space gnome" and includes a free mask can't be all bad] 44. Butch Willis "shopping bag" EP Once when Butch and Root Boy Slim lived together they bought an air conditioner. After carting it up several flights of stairs, they pushed the air conditioner through the window. They had forgotten to plan ahead. (ltd. to 500) $3.00 42. Unrest "yes she is my skinhead girl" The infamous K single; still available and still orange. The title track is remixed by Kramer and the whole shebang is produced by Calvin Johnson in the DeGrassi High School auditorium. $3.00 [If you like Unrest, I recommend. This was mentioned in Spin's "Singles" column an issue or two ago.] 33. Scaley Andrew "raising the goddess" EP The Earle Hotel stood on West Main St. in Richmond until the Sheraton next door had it torn down. This upset Scaley Andrew a whole lot so they skipped class and recorded these 4 gems, replete with pathos and punctuality. (ltd. to 600) $3.00 49. Unrest "cherry cherry" EP 7" Lee Ranaldo called Cherry "the ultimate popsong" and Wharton Tiers said that Wednesday & Proud "sounds like Grateful Dead (???). $3.50 (released in the UK only, 1900 made) [this is a perfect EP] ------------------- ALBUMS (LP/CD/CASS) ------------------- 81. Tube Bar CD/CS Famous prank phone calls to Redd at the Tube Bar now digitally transferred onto CD! Also features a Sassy profile of julie, the Screamer (talk radio pranks), and Joe speaks his mind. The cassette has a frank discussion of sex with Don Smith and Hillary Black. CD $10, CS $4 [This is probably the single-most influential recording that Teen Beat has yet had on the culture of our nation. The pranks to Redd were lifted by someone in the Simpsons' camp, and even some of the "names" used by Bart when calling the local bar are exactly identical, and I don't mean the obvious ones. This is a very surreal record, especially if you view it as a performance piece of some sort, given that Red died in 1983 (and has a voice that sounds like he gargled with gravel).] 77. Unrest "imperial f.f.r.r." LP/CS/CD The brandest newest album. Hit filled-heatseeking-endlessly. "Brilliant bedroom pop with no pretensions" - NME. Sugarshack. Kickin' me 200 proof. More than necessary. Absolute. CS $8 CD $11 LP $9 [Mark told me that this should be out in november - god knows how NME got a copy] 75. Sexual Milkshake "sing-o-long in hebrew" LP/CD Another chocful of goodies. Packaging masterpiece by the milkshake family. Comes with a translation booklet so you can "Sing-A-Long in Hebrew!" Oh yeah, the music kicks ass too. Produced by Mark E and Wharton Tiers. Emphasis tracks: "Mr. Ghost God," "Mariachi Song," "Damnity Doobity Dribble." LP $7 (300) CD $10 67. Unrest "fuck pussy galore [and all her friends]" CS/CD This compilation features the first LP plus the first two 7"s and some extra stuff. Got it? Jon Spencer says: "Duh?" [When Jon Spencer of P.G. heard of the title of the CD, he promptly kicked unrest off their opening bill -- Even some "alternative" folks can't understand tongue-in-cheekness] CD $7 CD $10 (out 11/91) 50. Teenbeat 50 compilation Features all new unreleased tracks by: Unrest, Bastro, Bells Of..., Courtney Love, Teenage Gang Debs, Sexual Milkshake, Velocity Girl, Circus Lupus, Jonny Cohen, Autoclave, Eggs and more. CD and CS also have tracks by Butch Willis, Coral, Calvin Johnson, Mark E and more for a total of 25 songs! Essential TeenBeat. Best comp since Flex Your Head. [my old band, an earlier TB release, didn't make the cut... sniff] LP/CS $7 CD $10 (out 11/91) 48. Dustdevils "struggling electric + chemical" LP/CS/CD Their best album by far. Is Big Leggy times three. Includes a kick-all version of the Fall's "Somewhat Fashionable Man of God" featured in the film "Some Sheep Keeping Quiet". Featuring Jaqui. LP/CS $7 CD $10 39. Johnny Cohen's Love Machine LP It might sound strange at first, but this will become your favorite album after a few spins. Funny and serious in all the right places. Sometimes everything just goes right. LP $7 [Apt description.] 21. Unrest "malcolm X park" The classic Kramer produced album. I like it. Thanks Krames. LP $6 [The one that brought them their modicum of notoriety. Good record.] 35. Unrest "kustom karnal blackxploitation" LP The super-FLY 1990 LP with such hits as "Teenage Suicide," "You Make Me Shake," "Shag," and "Foxy Playground." Now out of print but available here as a cutout. A pretty groovy cover plus a poster inside. LP $6 45. Clarence "Teenbeat 45" (3 cassette box set) Our first triple album. Clarence and Max pump out a million new songs with more hooks than a fishing trip. Super sporty slimline package. CS $7 [Very interesting. Much grungy and psychedelic noodling.] --------- CASSETTES --------- 71. Kenneth Anger film soundtracks. The complete soundtracks to Kenneth Anger's masterpieces "Scorpio Rising", "Invocation of My Demon Brother" (by Mick Jagger) and "Lucifer Rising" (by Bobby Beausoleil). New Jack Beelzebub. $4 60. Scaley Andrew "a safe place to live" The long awaited final blast of goddessness from Richmond's favorite sons. Dare they try and top "The Soul of Postmodernism"? Find out yourself. 14 new songs $4. 59. Teenbeat "Fun Box" (16 cassette briefcase) Sixteen groovy cassettes (12 of which are out of print) in a deluxe colorful briefcase individually decorated. Great for a birthday or Xmas gift. (includes # 1,2,3,5,6,10,15,16,18,22,23,25,30,47,57,60) $40.00 57. Mark R Superstar "superstar" Twenty MORE songs. Includes the hit "Eyeball from the Socket of Davis" reading. $4 73. Andrew Beaujon "valenteen" EP Andrew's third annual valentine tape. Usually only a few are made and given to his friends. This is the first one available to you - John Q Public. Six songs, includes a Bongwater cover. $3 47. Krokodiloes "in harvard square" Mark's dad belts a low down version of "Sweet Georgia Brown." The Harlem Globetrotters would be proud. (a reissue of the 1959 LP) $4 30. Scaley Andrew "the soul of postmodernism" Mark Nelson joins Andrew through 14 songs ever heard by the human ear. $4 23. Unrest "twister" 20 songs never released on album. From basements to living rooms to Noise New York. From 1983-1988. $4 ------- GEWGAWS ------- 68. TeenBeat ballpoint pen. (blue & yellow) $1 for two. 55t. Sexual Milkshake "Keep on Streakin'" full t-shirt. (2-sided, XL) $8 78. No. 6 Records grey ironstone high-quality drinking mug. Edition of 144, has No. 6 and Unrest logos. $7 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Cluff Subject: Alas, the Sonics info... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1991 17:05:00 EDT Folks, My copy of the "Here are the Sonics!!!" LP comes from Etiquette Records. The address: Etiquette Productions 2442 N.W. Market St. Suite 273 Seattle, WA, 98107 There's a number here, which I suspect is the order #: ETALB 024 Problem is, this LP is credited as 1984, so I'd suspect the company would have keeled over by now. Good luck. If you come to no avail, the classic tune "Strychnine" is on Rhino Records' Nuggets "Volume 2: Punk" (RNLP 026). Address: Rhino Records, INC. 1201 Olympic Blvd. Santa Monica, CA 90404 And if you hear any of it after all, remember that this shit was done in *1965*!! Mike Cluff mike%luick@ubvms or v22964qs@ubvms -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dougo%SODA.BERKELEY.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Welcome to Der Weinerschnitzel, may I take your order please? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1991 15:09:46 -0700 Re: Corrosion of Conformity I saw them open for Soungarden and Danzig, and wasn't terribly impressed. I had no idea they had been around, I thought they were some new punk/thrash/grunge band. Anyway, they did have a really great version of Black Sabbath's "National Acrobat", one of my fave BS songs. Did they put this cover on any of their albums? Re: Does anyone ever read all of these? Yes, Rob! Some of us have nothing better to do than read 70 grunge messages a day... > If, like myself, you loved the older Cult stuff, and got into how they > radically changed styles from album to album while still being The Cult, > then you best avoid this one. That's not the REASON I loved the older Cult stuff, it just happened that I liked all the different styles, from the Death Cult to _Dreamtime_ to _Love_ to _Electric_. Then they got Bob Rock (the Antichrist, as far as I'm concerned) to try to make them a bankable AOR hit, so he went and mushed up all their sounds, added production values, and made it radio-friendly, with _Sonic Temple_. (Did Bob Fu^H^HRock do _Ceremony_ too?) It's funny to hear "alternative" stations who started playing the Cult with "She Sells Sanctuary" now playing "Wild Hearted Son" or whatever it's called, when it just sounds like any other hard rock band, right down to Billy Duffy's guitars solos (and he used to be interesting!). And have you noticed the steady progression from bad to worse with their drummers? They "borrowed" Big Country's drummer for _Love_, who was better than decent, but each drummer after that has steadily been worse. I didn't think they could have gotten any worse than Matt Sorum (he's not even good enough for GNR), but from what I've heard, they managed to do it. Sigh. Re: Spinal Tap I heard they showed up at the MTV Music Awards show... check out the pictures in Rolling Stone. This could really be it! Bring back Tap! (At least they're not Spinal Rap now...) Re: Them whiners the Cure > I think "Fascination Street" was pretty rockin' (although it could be > better) and "Never Enough" at volume 8+ is a definite candidate. Their > first couple of albums are pretty guitar/bass/drums oriented as well. > Overall though, most of their stuff is pretty droopy. _fieldfresh_ does a > major crunch version of "The Forest" as well, although the guitar needs a > lot of work. Hey, that was good! You picked my three favorite Cure songs right there. But I still think calling them grunge is stretching it a bit. (I don't think "droopy" is the right word, though, either.) They just have a real fuzzy bass. Anyway, there is a mailing list for just the Cure, if you're interested. To subscribe to the moderated list, send mail to: babble.m-request@javelin.sim.es.com To subscribe to the unmoderated list, send mail to: babble-request@javelin.sim.es.com The moderated list is digested, and the moderator weeds out posts which he thinks have little or nothing to do with the Cure. (I prefer the unmoderated list...) And while we're looking for grunge songs by non-grunge bands, does the Smith's "How Soon is Now?" count? Re: Neil & SY > But how can Neil still like Sonic Youth after they basically pissed off nine > tenths of his fans? Since when has Neil minded pissing off his fans? Re: Disco sucks > I always wonder how many people who say that "disco sucks" have actually > listened to a disco song in the last ten years. My former boss used to listen to vintage disco all the time, and I still couldn't stand it. Those violins just make me puke, for some reason. But then there is "dance music" these days, some of which is quite a bit like the old disco, and some of which is quite good, mostly because of the crossovers between funk, thrash, punk, and new wave. Heck, even the Coca-Cola Music Factory borders on grnuge at times. Or remember "Train in Vain"? Then there's my favorite "disco" band of all time, the "English New Kids on the Block", EMF. (Who'dathunk that a band called "Ecstasy Mother Fuckers" would hit #1 on the US pop charts?) > Someone should do a cover of "Disco Inferno". I'm still trying to find Mordred's thrash cover of "Superfreak" (this was long before "U Can't Touch This")... > well, I just keep with the Suicidal Tendencies song: > > "DISCO'S OUT! MURDER'S IN!!" "La da de da da de de da da/All kind of la de fuckin' das" -- ST! Re: L&R vs. Bauhaus > I mean, I like L&R just fine, but it doesn't have that gritty and > depressing edge that set Bauhaus apart from the crowd. Huh? Love and Rockets not gritty and depressing? Try listening to _"Express"_ a few more times, Ron... So has anyone heard Daniel Ash's solo record? Is it worth it? And has anyone heard the new Tin Machine? I heard a nasty rumor that this album would be a "kinder, gentler" TM. Is this true? Is this good or bad? How about the Smithereens? I haven't heard an album of theirs with more than three good songs, so I'm waiting for a best-of compilation... One last note of interest: Mick Jones' BAD II will be in town this month. So will the Pogues, with Joe Strummer doing guest vocals. Think there could be a mini-Clash-reunion? Hm... Go Pirates! 100 wins! -- DougO P.S. Still taking last-minute votes for L7 vs. Mary's Danish, tomorrow night... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: L7 or Mary's Danish? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1991 16:38:14 -0600 Two things: One I liked *Smell the Magic* quite a bit. It might be worth another listen. Two L7 are much better live. I saw them last month in Olympia. They ruled my world. They rocked. They were God. I'm prejudiced against Mary's Danish because they blew off a benefit for the Univ of Utah college radio station I worked at in order to open for Janes Addiction. Even with that in mind, I still think they're kind of lame in a commercial college rock sort of way. If it were up to me, I'd definitely go see L7. soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy o'grady 559 u Subject: Roky Erickson To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1991 21:11:02 EDT Roky is currently in some federal psych ward in the southern US. Hes got tons of lps out including the Evil One, Dont Slander Me & Gremlins Have Pictures on cd. His versions of the toons on the compilation are 100 times better than any of the covers!!! He has a voice and delivery thea tell you that when he sings "I Walked With a Zombie" he really believes it !! Somehow when REM does the tune, it doesnt quite measure up !! Check him out !!!! Mark Kitchener, Ontario -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Richard Subject: Re: L7 or Mary's Danish? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1991 18:16:20 PDT I can either go see L7 / Wool / Delinquent John or I can see Mary's Danish / Texas Midgets. So which one should I see? I need to know before Sunday night, obviously. Thanks, DougO Go see L7! L7 Rule! L7 kick ass! Go see L7! etc... I was at their show at the Kennel Club last night. It was rocking, slamming, and grungy as hell. I'm going up to San Rafel to catch their show there tonight and I will probably try to make it to Berkeley tomorrow. Actually, I think I've seen every show they've played in the bay area in the last couple years. (I've even toyed with the idea of moving to L.A. just so I could see them more often). -wjr- Certified L7 fanatic (as if you couldn't tell) BTW If you go to the show and see a older, long haired, bearded, bikerish looking (so I'm told) guy, come over and say hello. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: While we're on the subject of L7... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1991 20:38:10 -0600 ...can anyone tell me who did the original versions of "Packin' a Rod" and "American Society"? Great songs. soren "I don't wanna drown in American society..." p.s. The more I think about it, the more I firmly believe that anyone who would miss L7 to see Mary's Danish is completely out to lunch. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Miles Davis RIP To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1991 22:15:01 -0600 Miles Davis died today of some sort of "respiratory complications". soren (What does this have to do with grunge? Listen to the *Pangaea* album-- 85 minutes of really intense instrumental noise.) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: Re: Miles Davis RIP To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1991 17:40:04 -0500 ok... I'm a little confused here, so I hope some grungers out there can help me out... I'm the kind of person that's into loud, fast nasty, violent type music... I'm a Suicidal freak, Thrax freak, DK freak, etc... I go for hard core punk (the older stuff), Jello Biafra, and thrash metal... now... what exactly is grunge? I've never heard of half of these bands and I'm kinda skeptical as to if I should go out and spend 15 bucks for a CD that I might not like... could some of you'se out there kinda clue this po' boy in as to what exactly, say, soundgarten sounds like? or L7? or CoC? Help! FRANKenChRIST Terre Haute, IN leper@judy.indstate.edu *May the farce be with you* -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: God's Favorite Networker Subject: Re: Miles Davis RIP To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1991 22:07:03 CDT FRANKenChRIST said all this stuff: ok... I'm a little confused here, so I hope some grungers out there can help me out... I'm the kind of person that's into loud, fast nasty, violent type music... I'm a Suicidal freak, Thrax freak, DK freak, etc... I go for hard core punk (the older stuff), Jello Biafra, and thrash metal... now... what exactly is grunge? I've never heard of half of these bands and I'm kinda skeptical as to if I should go out and spend 15 bucks for a CD that I might not like... could some of you'se out there kinda clue this po' boy in as to what exactly, say, soundgarten sounds like? or L7? or CoC? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Everyone is confused. Think about it: George Bush is elected and _Thriller_ is the best selling album of all time. These, to me, are signs of the Apocalypse. Soundgarten? Dunno. Don't have their stuff due to limited funds for music. L7? Imagine Thelma and Louise joining early Clash instead of driving off the cliff. CoC? When I lived in Carolina, some of the Metalheads and Burnouts wore CoC shirts, and they are much cooler than the Sammy Hagar VOA t-shirts that were all over St. Louis when I lived there. Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet Now you've got P.M. Dawn. "Distorted, isn't it? But it's beautiful!" Disclaimer: The opinions contained in this post are not the opinions of the Administration, Faculty, or Student Body of South Dakota State University. Hell, they might not even be mine. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Neil Anthony Herzinger Subject: No more Killing Joke To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 01:28:32 -0400 eMpTyV 120 minutes reported this evening: Killing Joke broke up. Apparently Geordie, Raven, and Martin Atkins (Guitar, Bass, Drums respectivly) broke off from the band and started up a new group called Murder Inc. They are supposedly working in the states now with Chris Connely, and the original drummer for KJ, Paul Ferguson. No report on what Jaz (old singer) is up to. I don't know how this affects the supposed Pigface tour. Or if we should believe 120mins crap anyway. neil herzinger - nh0n@andrew.cmu.edu Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh PA "Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah." -some guy -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Seth Dobbs Subject: Re: Bauhaus (yeah!) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 06:43:18 CDT > > Get the 1979-1983 Compilations (Volumes One and Two). They're also imports, > but you can find them fairly cheap (~$18 each) and for what you get they're > well worth it. They have just about every Bauhaus album release, plus a few I've got volume Two, but haven't been able to find One on disc. > > I also have "Burning From The Inside" and the Peel sessions discs. Great > stuff, especially if it's a stormy day and you're really bummed. > I have Burning also, along with The Sky's Gone Out. Two incredible albums, especially when you're in the right mood. > ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do -- Seth T. Dobbs | Internet: sethd@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com GSS/AMT Motorola Inc. | "We are all fighting the same fight, We are all in the same war" - Living Colour "Never give in" - The Cure -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DMatson%UCS.UMASS.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: boston goes subpop?(GMS, Come), Nirvana, Helmet To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1991 12:34:29 -0400 Local kids Green Magnet School put on an extremely impressive show friday night @ Bunnratty's in Allston MA. 3 Gtr layered noise with a very solid rhythm section. It was perhaps the best show I've seen them do. The big news with them is it seems they are now signed to SupPop. single coming out in december, album early next year. I believe this is credited to a strong performance at the new music seminar this summer seen by what's his name at subpop. Anyway, great stuff, wish they'd play out more locally, seems like it's getting to be quite a few months between shows. Another Boston band which seems to be doing something for SupPop is Come, the new project of Thalia Zadek (x-Live Skull, Uzi, etc). I've seen them play a couple of times, decent, but not earth shattering. Pretty Live Skull-ish, maybe a bit richer and more melodic. They haven't been around very long though, perhaps they haven't hit their stride as of yet. Ended up seeing Nirvana 3 times this week, pretty fun. New record really isn't as good as Bleach, though. Helmet show added for Providence on the 16th, day after Boston, AND the providence show is with Cop Shoot Cop. Yay! Back to back Helmet, I'm the happiest boy in the world. dave dmatson@ucs.umass.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: REVIEW: "Smells like teen spirit" - by Nirvana To: grunge-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (Grunge Rock Discussion List) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 91 9:23:50 EDT Well, I watched 120 Minutes again this week, last week was the first in a long time. Last week I saw Mudhoney, this week I saw Nirvana. So far so good. All I ask for is one good video per hour. This weeks other real good video was the Damned. Anhow, On to "Smells like teen spirit" A few feelings I had were "We have alot of money lets make a real high budget grunge video," This means that yes the video was grungy, yes it was amazing, but I could also tell money was put into it. Look closely at the backround of the janitor. The video is great, it shows Nirvana playing in a "high school gym." It starts out with the crowd of grungers very subdued, and builds to the point that everyone is off the bleachers and dancing all over the place. You see one person walk away with a clmbal and stand. The are also cheerleders doing cheers like Nirvana was their team. Two interesting Observations from Renee were that the cheerleders had tatoos and that their "School emblem" was an anarchy symbol. Awsome video! Geffen the new grunge kings! Is the whole album like this? I'm buying it today if so! Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: Chili Peppers in Concert To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 09:40:00 EST Hey Grungers (especially the Western New Yorkers) The Chili Peppers are coming to Rochester NY on October 27th. Tickets went on sale this past Saturday and are $18.50 or something like that. Luckily a friend had enough brains to get me a few since I was out of town. Seventh row-center. Whatta guy :)> If any info is wanted, let me know I'll do my best. joe@rit Home of the TLA's -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Murtaugh Subject: what should I buy? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 09:24:59 CDT I got back into `new' music in about 1985, after a ten-year hiatus caused by the emergence of the Electric Light Orchestra as a musical force, and I like stuff by the Pixies, Neil Young, Guadalcanal Diary, Bob Mould, the Pixies, the Sidewinders, early Replacements, Stone Roses, the Pixies, the Goo Goo Dolls, Jesus and Mary Chain (non-feedback cuts), and the Pixies -- sort of sanitized grunge with a melody. I hadn't heard of many of the groups talked about here, and neither has anyone else out here in the cornfields. But I went out on a limb and bought the new Nirvana album -- and LOVE it. So, my question is, what other classic albums are out there waiting for me to discover them? I'm already thinking about Bleach by Nirvana (are there others?), Mudhoney (best choice?), S.Y.'s Daydream Nation, Smashing Pumpkins, to name a few. Any other suggestions? By the way, I lived in Seattle for nine years and the only grunge I knew about was the kind on my bathtub and window sills. =Paul= "It's not the heat, it's the humidity." -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth Ann Schaefer Subject: Live To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 10:04:02 -0500 Well, last Friday I picked up the Nirvana live show boot. It's pretty neat. It looks like _Bleach_ except for the photo on the front which is a photo of the band (like photo session stuff) The listing for it is: FLOYD THE BARBER LOVE BUZZ DIVE SPANK THROUGH IMMODIUM ABOUT A GIRL BIG CHEESE SCOFF MOLLYS LIPS STAIN BEEN A SON NEGATIVE CREEP BLEW It lists the titles on the back and then their names and then it says "Recorded live at the Blind Pig Ann Arbor Michigan April 10 1990." The sound quality is excellent! I'm not sure how many were made or anything but it's vinyl only. If anyone's interested let me know. I have a question..... Was _Nevermind_ released on vinyl at all? Has anyone seen it? Beth. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Russ Poldrack Subject: Re: Live To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 10:14:48 CDT > It lists the titles on the back and then their names and then it says > "Recorded live at the Blind Pig Ann Arbor Michigan April 10 1990." > The sound quality is excellent! I'm not sure how many were made or anything > but it's vinyl only. If anyone's interested let me know. > I have a question..... Was _Nevermind_ released on vinyl at all? Has > anyone seen it? > > Beth. > I'm REAL interested. I'm not sure what that means though. Do you know where I can et a copy? Russ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Russ Poldrack Subject: Re: what should I buy? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 10:19:45 CDT > I hadn't heard of many of the groups talked about here, and neither has > anyone else out here in the cornfields. But I went out on a limb and bought > the new Nirvana album -- and LOVE it. So, my question is, what other classic > albums are out there waiting for me to discover them? I'm already thinking > about Bleach by Nirvana (are there others?), Mudhoney (best choice?), S.Y.'s > Daydream Nation, Smashing Pumpkins, to name a few. Any other suggestions? > > =Paul= Which cornfields are you in the middle of? I guess Illinois has pretty enlightened cornfields where music is concerned. Anyway, as far as Mudhoney goes you definitely gotsta get the self-titled one, MUDHONEY. That is grunge at its finest. I would also suggest Dinosaur Jr's YOU'RE LIVING ALL OVER ME, which is DJ back in the really grungy days. On SubPop, another band that I like a whole lot is Afghan Whigs - their album UP IN IT is really good, grungy bot melodic. I could go on forever, but there's a few grunge starters that I think are great. Russ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat Padua" Subject: miles davis To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 11:12:55 EDT I know, this is no jazz list, but since it was Chuck D on SNL who notified me of Miles' demise, I thought I'd bring to y'all's attention a few of his grungier sides: Agharta and Pangaea (both 1976) are as rock'n'roll grungy as jazz gets. I'd call it psycho-electro funk. Featured is guitarist Pete Cosey, who has to be called one of the great lost grunge guitarists, and with Miles himself running his horn through a wah-wah pedal, you get walloped with a wall of skronking noise...with a beat. Trouble is, these are double-CD sets, so you might not want to spring for stuff that reaches grunge level for only about half of the thing. Worth checking out for you more adventurous music lovers (I'd start w/AGHARTA). Anthrax/PE/Primus inaugurate their tour in DC tomorrow. Even though it's in my neighborhood, I'm not really willing to shell out the $26.50 for what I believe is a general admission venue. PE's Apocalypse comes out tomorrow, anyway. BTW, the tour is headed for the west coast mid-late October. Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Live To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 11:31:53 EDT > Well, last Friday I picked up the Nirvana live show boot. > If anyone's interested let me know. Yeah, I'm interested. How about posting your email address so we can keep subsequent conversation out of everyone's mailboxes? Anyone notice that Kur(d)t sounds a lot like Sting (Invisible Sun) on "Drain You"? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I'm not a cool guy anymore, as if I ever [were] before... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Nevermore and BSSM To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 10:39:30 EDT Ok. I bought Nevermind and the new Chili's album. Cheap impressions: Nevermind is GREAT. Period. "Smells like..." is worth the $13 itself. Cobain has my favorite voice these days. Sounds like Geffen sprung for some fancy pedals for these guys. Doesn't the picture on the inside make 'em look like "Bill and Ted?" I was REALLY surprised to see a 60 minute release...and promptly blew out my right ear by planting my head in front of a speaker and cranking my amp, looking for quiet things in "Something In My Way." Smart, huh? Notice that he spells it Kurt and Kurdt? "Territorial Pissings" CAN'T be good for my speakers :-) Hey, go buy this disk. The keybords are a wonderful addition to the band... BSSM is not what I expected, but I'm not disappointed. They've been listening to a lot of rap. Two familiar sounds: "Breaking the Girl" is nearly a rip-off of "Sister Blue" by Mind Funk and "Give It Away" reminds me a LOT of "911 is a Joke" (PE - By the way, did anyone catch them on Saturday Night Live? I think I'll be Flave for Halloween...) I've only gotten to listen to it once (left the damn thing in my player at home...guess I'll have to suffer through Nevermind all day long), but they've really dropped the funk(-metal) sound. Straight rock. Almost no thumb from Flea. They've graduated to the big time. And listen to Jon: badmotorfinger rocks. The whole thing. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I'm not a cool guy anymore, as if I ever [were] before... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: what should I buy? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 11:44:55 EDT > I'm already thinking > about Bleach by Nirvana (are there others?), Mudhoney (best choice?), S.Y.'s > Daydream Nation, Smashing Pumpkins, to name a few. Any other suggestions? As I'm sure many are thinking and some will even tell you, "thinking about" buying Bleach is a mistake. I would substitute that verb with something more forceful...like "most definately." I don't know a soul who doesn't like it. I also like Skin Yard's "Fist Sized Chunks" (and seem to be alone in my tastes). -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I'm not a cool guy anymore, as if I ever [were] before... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 11:32:38 CDT Rob Vaughan: >I'm glad you added this paragraph at the end, Bill, because it bothers me that >I've heard some people imply in the past that the term "disco sucks" == "I >hate gays". I personally am very pro-sexuality-choice but I can say, having >suffered through the late '77 to early 80's disco thing, that 99% of it sucks. >At least for me, it was a musical void. Perhaps soren could change that >feeling, but I still get a stomach-ache when I hear the BeeGees. :( Not all old disco is interesting or funky, of course. However, most of it is much more funky than the '80s versions. When I first started going to gay discos it was "WHAT??? I'm supposed to *like* this stuff?" From: Rockin' Jon >Well, I watched 120 Minutes again this week, last week was the first in a long >time. Last week I saw Mudhoney, this week I saw Nirvana. So far so good. Just by chance I saw the Nirvana at a friend's place last night (I don't have cable and am not about to get it). Like Jon said, bigbudget grunge. While shots of cute teens swinging their hair are always endearing, I was not impressed with the video or the song (too clean and pop-y). And the new Painkillers is out. John Zorn, Bill Laswell and the drummer from Napalm Death (?). Heh. Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: Re: what should I buy? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 11:52:25 -0500 hey now... let's not get too hard on us cornfield folk... so, what are some recommended starting grunge bands and tracks I should go for? Anyone know of anything that's gonna really impress me? FRANKenChRIST Terre Haute, IN leper@judy.indstate.edu *Praise the LARD* -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: woj%REMUS.RUTGERS.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Nirvana's Living Room? Hell's Kitchen? (long) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 20:46:52 EDT what can i add? eric-honorary-rob said it so well...so i'll just toss in my impressions... nirvana was quite good, but the melvins were intense. i'm not sure what was more enjoyable: the tension waiting for the next, nulled cymbal crash or the looks on the faces of the kiddies around me. my only complaint was that it wasn't loud enough. and a recommendation: when you stage-dive, make sure that there is a) some- one there to catch you and b) music happening (cos if there isn't, the press will not be strong enough to support your landing - as the bozo who dis- located his collarbone at my feet discovered - we popped it back in tho, so it was alright...but let that be a warning). looking forward to upstate new york grungefest - gotta time it with a good show, whomever is organizing it...buffalo and rochachacha seem to be having an influx of decent bands playing, so i expect the best! or at least a reasonable facsimile... ...and i'll bring the bisquick... woj@remus.rutgers.edu - smou/dj-for-hire - cutting out a silouette of dreams (ronbo: i *told* you...mary's danish!) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: Bits and Ends, Odds and Pieces... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 19:29:29 -0600 >"Lots o' stuff poppin' out the doors of ESTRUS, including: BOOZE, a 7" >EP from the MONO MEN (Who are also working on an LP, BACK TO MONO), It's out already. One original song and two covers on the b-side including a great version of "Rumble". >and the ESTRUS HALF-RACK comp on CD; The jerks--after spending $15 on the singles.... soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STOLTZ PETER Subject: stuff... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 23:26:33 -0600 First, lets get one simple thing straight. Somebody asked about whether or not he/she should buy GLUE by the Fluid and lots of people have been talking about what "Grunge" albums to buy to get started. All I have to say is, if you don't already own the Fluid, GLUE, you have two options: 1) Buy it NOW NOW NOW NOW!!!!! 2) Kill yourself. Can I make this any more clear? BUY GLUE. Do it now. To paraphrase the Simpsons, if you don't own GLUE, you better be dead, or in jail. And if you're in jail. BREAK OUT! If you can play "Black Glove" and "Is It Day?" off this CD and then honestly say to yourself, "Gee, these guys just don't rock that hard," then I will buy the CD from you. Brian Jarvinen mentioned the Stooges' first, self-titled LP. I can't agree with him more. EVERYONE should own it. Not only that, you should own Funhouse (2nd album) also, which i like even more. "TV Eye" and "Loose" are very rockin' tunes. Certainly the birth of grunge. And like Brian said, the LPs are usually Super Saver, $5.99. Last of all, thought I would mention that the latest album by Steelpole Bathtub (from the Bay Area via Boulder, CO via Bozeman, MT) has not left my tape deck for 3 days. Called Tulip and on Boner records. It's out on CD, and well worth the price! Great LP. Well, off tomorrow to get new Soundgarden & Nirvana! Can't wait! Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jenna Elise Cole Subject: Re: boston goes subpop?(GMS, Come), Nirvana, Helmet To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 10:46:51 EDT And speaking of subpop, and local boys... providence's Six Finger Sattelite got signed last week to SubPop, and will go on tour in February. Seems they got a contract for two full length, and will put out the first Sattelite tape EP on a mini cd. The band was featured a few weeks ago on the cover of CMJ. They also played at NMS too, this year, with a bunch of other Providence bands... Maybe prov. is making comeback...now, if only there was a decent place to see a show here... Jenna -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: Nirvana Mama To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 12:56:00 EST Hey Grungeramites, AUDIO: Just to put my two cents in, Nirvana's Nevermind is amazing. I got it last Wednesday night and have listened to it about 8 times so far. Great stuff, especially "Breed" and "Lithium". VIDEO: Saw the video for "Smells Like Teen Spirit" last night on 120 minutes. Very cool, I like how everybody is just hanging out and by the end of the song, all hell is loose, kinda reminds me of my living room :)> LIVE: Just a little thing on the recent New Model Army show I saw here in Rochester. Great stuff, never heard anything by these guys, just figured it'd be cool to see them. They really impressed me. They sounded great and had really cool attitudes. On the second encore, the lead singer/guitarist jumped into the pit and slammed around with his guitar and then ran to the back of the club to pick on the "cool" people just hanging out and then ran back to the stage. I kinda had trouble getting back up but nothing he couldn't handle. He made a comment before this little escapade. Between songs he talked about life and things and commented "Life is too fucking short to be cool, Just live life" or something like that. Pretty much he was cracking on the 'attitudes' in the back of the club trying to be 'groovy' and 'cool'. Kinda liked that whole thing by him, as did all the other slimy, sweaty, people in the pit and surrounding. TRIPS: I was throwing the idea of flying to Seattle this Thanksgiving break for a little night life with a few friends. Now this idea of a spring Grunge Fest break has come up and I'm thinking about postponing my trip. This will give me more time to raise funds and such. How possible does this Spring Break thing look to others on the list. Looks cool for me. Lets hear some input here grungers. joe@rit Home of the TLA's (RIT,ISC,JJT,CIA,FBI,HOG,NIN,RDB,SQL,RHA,NRH,SHG,SAU,SLC) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: God's Favorite Networker Subject: miles davis To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 13:41:16 CDT CROSSPOSTED TO BOTH GRUNGE-L AND ALLMUSIC >I know, this is no jazz list, but since it was Chuck D on SNL ^^^^^^^ >who notified me of Miles' demise, I thought I'd bring to y'all's Agharta and Pangaea (both 1976) are as rock'n'roll grungy as jazz gets. I'd call it psycho-electro funk. Featured is guitarist Pete Cosey, who has to be called one of the great lost grunge guitarists, and with Miles himself running his horn through a wah-wah pedal, you get walloped with a wall of skronking noise...with a beat. Trouble is, these are double-CD sets, so you might not want to spring for stuff that reaches grunge level for only about half of the thing. Worth checking out for you more adventurous music lovers (I'd start w/AGHARTA). Anthrax/PE/Primus inaugurate their tour in DC tomorrow. Even though it's in my neighborhood, I'm not really willing to shell out the $26.50 for what I believe is a general admission venue. PE's Apocalypse comes out tomorrow, anyway. BTW, the tour is headed for the west coast mid-late October. Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: God's Favorite Networker Subject: miles davis To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 13:44:19 CDT CROSSPOSTED TO BOTH GRUNGE-L AND ALLMUSIC SORRY ABOUT THE LAST MISTAKE >I know, this is no jazz list, but since it was Chuck D on SNL ^^^^^^^ >who notified me of Miles' demise, I thought I'd bring to y'all's Chuch has said that Rap is the "Newsweek" of black youth, and he has proved it here. anneliese asked me to tell you that she is in mourning over Miles' death. Jeff, can I borrow your description of the last words for a poem I'm writing Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Levasseur Subject: what should I buy? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 15:00:38 -0400 > I hadn't heard of many of the groups talked about here, and neither has > anyone else out here in the cornfields. But I went out on a limb and > bought the new Nirvana album -- and LOVE it. So, my question is, what > other classic albums are out there waiting for me to discover them? I'm > already thinking about Bleach by Nirvana (are there others?), Mudhoney > (best choice?), S.Y.'s Daydream Nation, Smashing Pumpkins, to name a few. > Any other suggestions? > i think people have been pointing you in the right direction. dinosaur jr, mudhoney, and nirvana are all awesome. as for mudhoney, i absolutely love superfuzz bigmuff (w/singles) on cd. i would recommend this before the full length album (not that it isn't prime grunge!). buy nirvana-bleach now! i really like superchunk alot. their first album (self-titled) is rockin', and their new album should be out soon (if it isn't already). outside of the realm of strict grunge, the lemonheads, "lick" and "lovey" are lovely, and the descendents "ALL" is really cool. ronnnnnnnnnnnnbo | internet: ronbo@bigbird.bu.edu | v 'c' is for 'cookie', and that's good enough for me. -cookie monster -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Skinyard is two fuckin words! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 12:01:43 PDT > I also like Skin Yard's "Fist Sized Chunks" (and seem to be > alone in my tastes). > No chip, yer not alone here! I taped my roomates copy of 1000 Smiling Knuckles (new skin yard) last night. Being only 35 minutes long on a 100 minute tape, i padded the end with some of my faves of Chunks and Hollowed Ground. Like Stranger, Slow Runner, Ritual Room, damn! I was like, "why haven't I listened to these guys in so long". Them boys really got some good grooves, eh? Have you heard Gruntruck yet? Skin Yard lead vocalist's side project. Not as good as SY, but good nun-theless. john haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "NATASHA" Subject: Re: L7 or Mary's Danish? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 15:08:00 EDT >Two things: One I liked *Smell the Magic* quite a bit. It might be worth >another listen. Grunge must be listened to at ear-blasting volumes... any other volumes below will not allow the full effect of the music. :)) >Two L7 are much better live. I saw them last month in Olympia. They ruled >my world. They rocked. They were God. >If it were up to me, I'd definitely go see L7. I would too.. anyone know if they will be coming around the Western New York area?? :)) --the grunge kitty, Renee M. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Bits and Ends, Odds and Pieces... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 12:28:10 PDT Hey folks! There was some stuff in the new issue of "The Rocket", a seattle monthly publication, concerning some band/labels that have been mentioned here in the past. I thought you might be interested. Here goes... "Lots o' stuff poppin' out the doors of ESTRUS, including: BOOZE, a 7" EP from the MONO MEN (Who are also working on an LP, BACK TO MONO), SAVAGE SLEEP, a CD from MARBLE ORCHARD, a 7" from the WOGGLES, a 7" EP from the FALLOUTS, and the ESTRUS HALF-RACK comp on CD; the MUMMIES and the PHANTOM SURFERS are also working on LPs for the label... rumor has it that spoken-word master GUNNY JUNK has signed with WARNER BROS., with the first LP produced by KIM THAYIL, among others, or so they tell us...MUSIC SOURCE:STEVE FISK has been working on a project for PHIL HERTZ, JACK ENDINO is mixing stuff for Aussie band HEADACHE.... C/Z RECORDS is about fo foist releases from PORN ORCHARD and NEUROSIS on the market....those mangy SQUIRRELS have recorded two tracks for a four-song EP split with THE SHOW BUSINESS GIANTS for Victoria, B.C.- Based WAY OUT! RECORDS and will also appear on a copilation entitled CLAM CHOWDER AND ICD VS. BIG MAC BOMBERS, featuring an assortment of US and Canadian bands (including MUDHONEY)...WILLARD have released their first effort on GREEN GEL RECORDS...down in Portland, MYSTERY TRAIN have completed final mixing on their latest endeavor at SOUND IMPRESSIONS... in the same vicinity, JUGGLER RECORDS has pushed a new LP and single from the HELL COWS out the door." Well, this is bits and peices of the "It Shall Be Released" column. Just the stuff that might be of interest. Please let me know if you guys want me to keep relaying Northwest stuff like this, or if its just an annoyance. Don't worry, I won't start posting Seahawks highlights or anything.:) But I won't risk sitting here at work with a paper open on my desk typing from it if no one cares. ok, talk amongst yourselves.... john haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Renee Hawkins Subject: Re: Nirvana To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 12:35:58 -0700 I think it's great! Some are more melodic than Bleach. Despite the fact that people keep saying they sold out because of that I like it. The cover is ...well, interesting, cute baby. I've got Smells Like Teen Spirit going through my head right now, I wish I had it with me. -Renee -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: bits and pieces and SUPERCHUNKS! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 15:40:53 EDT First, I think Chip was referring to the Young Black Teenagers a while back, just to clear things up. Second, all you bippidy-boppidy-heads, Touch and Go(d) just put out a Scratch Acid 28-track CD (not even mentioned in my catalog, I don't think) "ALL UNRELEASED except for tracks 1-27" (this is what it sez on the disc ':) ), so go out and buy it, dammit. And for the Superchunk freakazoids, let it be known that I saw what appeared to be a full-length disc by THESE fine fellows this weekend, too. On Matador, is it? Brand spankin' new, I guess. Of course, I couldn't get either, because there were more immediate concerns: like the just-released-domestically grinder _Slavestate_ by Godflesh (slurp) [if that's not just the goldarned grungiest grind I EVER did see!]; the NYC noisy-grunge/grungy-noise (it's like the old Crayola dilemma: blue-green or green-blue?) comp _NY Eye and Ear Control_ w/Fitch, Cop Shoots Cop, Dustdevils, Unsane, to name but a few; and some old Head of David (_CD_ (containing "God- breath" and "Dogbreath") and _Dustbow(e)l_ <---- as Sub Rob sez). C'mon, let's talk about HoD....that is some heavy heavy grunge, if you ask me. Whew! And in the works (in another window, even, as I write!) is the NYC Nirvana review, version x...... Eric avera@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Skinyard is two fuckin words! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 16:08:20 EDT > Like Stranger, Slow Runner, Ritual Room, damn! I was > like, "why haven't I listened to these guys in so long". Them boys > really got some good grooves, eh? Yes, sir. Only Bleach is held in higher esteem by me. Drunk on Kerosene, the Helios Creed work. Awesome. I don't think their earlier stuff holds up and the new album doesn't make me wanna' move out west, but... > Have you heard Gruntruck yet? Skin Yard lead vocalist's side project. > Not as good as SY, but good nun-theless. Nope. C/Z? I'd like to hear it. What happened to the old bassist? He had a great groove, but I have no idea who was responsible for the music. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Here we are now, entertain us. I feel stupid and contagious... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: Nirvana's Living Room? Hell's Kitchen? (long) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 16:15:22 EDT First the thankyou's. Thanks to SubRob for providing the transport (again! : making it to live shows this past year in Bugfuck U.S.A. was an iffy-sad proposition before Mr. Snoopy came along)/company/idle threats/weenie monikers/etc. and thanks to SuperRob(woj) for havin' us. I highly recommend meeting all of us (I'd shore lahk to make that Grungefest...) to all of us. Garden State variety Rob is even nicer in person (ask him 'bout his Florence Nightingale double-duty) than he is over the net....which is pretty darn nice! Okay, so we hit the road for the Bad Apple the same week we saw _Thelma and Louise_ (uh-oh) with our compatriot Marge the Ned's-fiend. Expecting more living-room mayhem, I'd spent the previous evening ('til 'bout oh 4:30 or so) making 45 minutes of destructo-thrash fit on a tape side. And of course, Rob the Real Weenie wanted to leave at 8 am. (This [losing megasleep] was a key mistake for me!) After sorting out east from west, we finally arrived in Morristown (Moshtown?) about midday. Trundled in SubWeenie's car off to Home-Broken NJ for losing money in NYC the honorable way (in record stores), and then into town for the big evening. Hooked up with Pete from Bleecker Bob's (great rec. store in the Village) and off we were to the Marquee (izzat how you spell it?). Rob, Rob, and I (an honorary Rob, beknighted [and be- nighted] on the subway) were just in time to catch the last 2/3 of the Melvins set (much to my dismay, we missed the beginning). WELLLLLL, no one seems willing to gush on the Melvins on this here list, so I will. These guys aren't grunge, they're SLUDGE! Amazing!! Grunge juggernauts that'll roll right over ya'. (Like running a marathon, I'm still working up to listening to _Gluey Porch Treatments_/_Ozma_ all the way through in a sitting - 70+ minutes of smiling on the rack!) IT CHAR Subterranean's catalog describes them better thanany other way I can think of: "the heaviest band in the world, they crush any- thing in their path." When have I seen so much effort, concentration, agony, what-have-you placed in each drum-stroke? And it was a fuckin' huge mother of a bass drum..... Pretty loud, pretty cool, pretty incomprehensible to all the oh-so-hip NYU goobs attending (most of whom either transmogrified or were eaten up by the time Nirvana took the stage). The guitarist/singer and his iddybiddy dreds (dreads?) abused the audience aurally and verbally. The bassist was riding psychoactive rainbows. And the drummer was probably a brother of whomever it is that comes up with those Happy Flowers lyrics. ':) Whereupon (after what seemed a very short time to me) they came to their "last song," which in fact turned out to be a feedback opus 20 minutes long, replete with 4 second intervals between beats (that makes it about 15 bpm, huh?). Can't give you the playlist, I'm not very good at that sorta thing, but I did recog- nize a couple of tunes. They even threw in a thrashy one, but things didn't get crazy until later. Nirvana kindly didn't keep the crowd waiting longer'n about 30 min. or so (long enough for us to gargle through some Primus over the PA). I'd cleverly opted for contacts over glasses, thinking I knew what to expect (I did) unlike the NYUees (but they did, too, actually). One bar into the first song (now here SubRob will have to fill in the song names....he's our SubPus cataloguist any- way) and it was just a giant, no, gigantic living room. The tightest pit I've ever been in, and the most relentless. It began to dawn on me....I'm in New York!!! Shit! Forgot to drink a gallon of water beforehand, maybe swallow a couple of salt tablets!! But that came later. It was amazing. My right con- tact disappeared at the beginning of the second song (guess I wasn't as smart as I thought, huh?)....after debating whether to solicit help in finding it (heh) it was back in the surge. There really isn't any other way to describe it. Waves of people falling down, getting up, rising up to ride the crowd, getting dropped, making it up on stage only to fling themselves back in again. I still haven't done the stage-divin' thing myself, but Marge did it at least twice. I think our Renees could top that at Grungefest, you think? It was a conveyor belt, though. 3 people crowd-riding at once, ALWAYS, to be met by a flux of those jumping off stage. In the pit itself, it was all you could do to move where you wanted to, let alone circle mosh or something. You really just had to give yourself up to it, which I ended up doing more than I wanted because of lack of sleep. ':( So these were my impressions: strands of long hair getting caught in my fingers inevitably (NOT by design!), about a hundred different smells of perspiring people (not all of 'em bad, either!), the ina- bility to lift my arms after awhile due to heat exhaustion and dehydration, a quality to the live Nirvana tunes like putting people collectively on speed that somehow outdid even the most excellent _Bleach_, _Sliver_, and _Nevermind_ studio work, my own delirious singing along with all the songs from these albums (I at least get the melodies right if not the words). I *do* know they omitted "Dive" (a personal favorite; hell, I'd even promised myself to try my hand [foot, knee?] at stage diving in honor of it) and "Spank Through"; and another couple off of _Bleach_ (like that "Would you believe it when I tell you..." song), but they also threw in a couple of new ones. PERFECT!! And if it was an ocean of people, then the only way to describe "Smells Like Teen Spirit" (which I, too, can't get outta my head!) was HURRICANE! It was great just to watch a pit done right (East Coast style, that is....I still have yet to be deflowered West Coast style....), to even be a part of it! Felt like a Weenie in the end, though, when my body just pooped out. Last time that happened was at the Buck Pets/RHCP's show in '89, but there it was because of lack of ventilation. So another DON'T: DON'T get less than 8 hours sleep before a grungefest. To finish up this overlong (but sincere!) review, the highlight had to be the (only one song!!) encore, when Kurt or whatever-his- name-is dove right in the audience, mic and all, and floated (violently, of course!) for awhile. Good stuff. Lots to tell, but let someone else finish it up. And don't forget to thank RobV if you were there; he got Nirvy's bass player past the bouncer (with no thanks, neither ):` ). P.S. Destined to be commercial success or no, _Nevermind_ gets the Robie proverbial two thumbs skyward from me, too. Rattle my bones! Eric avera@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: SY To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 16:20:00 EDT Ooh, we gotta be careful here: SY = Sonic Youth = Skin Yard .............. ;) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat Padua" Subject: steve albini To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 16:36:59 EDT This may be a stupid question, since I really don't know the ins and outs of recent grunge history, but what is albini up to these days? Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Levasseur Subject: Nirvana To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 17:29:22 -0400 > From: Renee Hawkins > > I think it's great! Some are more melodic than Bleach. > Despite the fact that people keep saying they sold out because of that I > like it. The cover is ...well, interesting, cute baby. I've got Smells > Like Teen Spirit going through my head right now, I wish I had it with me. > -Renee > from the first time i heard 'smells teen spirit', i've had it going through my head. when the single came out a few weeks ago, i got it immediately (and stopped listening to the radio) and played it like there was no tomorrow. it wasn't long until my 3 roommates and some other friends had that song stuck in their head... the song is quite contagious (here we are now, entertain us!). there aren't that many other bands that i've listened to that have quite that effect on people. the same thing (to a slightly lesser degree) when i got the sliver/dive single. i listened to 'dive' incessantly, moshed around the house, and surely bothered our downstairs neighbors. how many others have experienced this nirvana-sickness with such tracks as negative creep and school? maybe kurt (i make the official name change leap) made a deal with satan...in any case, i like it! now that i have the new cd, i was relieved to see some lyrics to 'smells like teen spirit'. much of it seems to be stream of consciousness nonsense. the only thing is that the words in the liner notes are not all the words to the song. i've listened to the song many times and tried to match the lyrics up with the words supplied...the end of the spiel is in the song at different points, but the beginning isn't. without aid, i testify that i might have never figured out "a mulatto, an albino, a mosquito, my libido". does anyone know all the lyrics to that song...if so, could you post them? if i should figure them out, i'll postem. k? ronnnnnnnnnnbo | internet: ronbo@bigbird.bu.edu | v 'c' is for 'cookie', and that's good enough for me. -cookie monster -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dougo%SODA.BERKELEY.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: two concert reviews: Alice Donut and L7 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 15:17:41 -0700 Sunday, Sep. 29 1991 First show: Blister, Thatcher on Acid, Victim's Family, Alice Donut The concert was at 924 Gilman, in Berkeley. A rather charming warehouse, with graffiti-covered walls and lots of old beat-up couches around the perimeter. I arrived about halfway through Blister's performance. They were interesting, but kind of amatuerish (as most 4th-bill bands are...) Their torturously complex rhythms and tempo changes made them interesting but hard to tap your foot along. Thatcher on Acid is from Britian, in case you couldn't figure that out. Their brand of punk was much more straightforward, almost old-fashioned in the Sex Pistols/Clash mold. Their first few songs were about 2 minutes each, and not too interesting, then they started to get into longer jams. But when they were really starting to rock, they stopped and said something like "okay, from now on, we're your band, the stage is yours". So some guy got up on stage and started singing (I use the term loosely) whatever came into his head. No one else seened interested in joining him, and I guess the band was pretty disappointed that the crowd wasn't into it. It probably would have worked better if they had played a little longer and with a little more energy before they stopped. Plus, it was about 3 in the afternoon, and most of us had just woken up not too long ago. Victim's Family was very good, though not quite as tight as when I saw them open for Primus. They also sounded a lot more thrash and less funk. After a few warpup songs, the singer goes "Okay, now we're going to try to connect the next eleven songs together, every one catch your breath" and they proceeded to go into a half-hour long medley, I guess you'd call it. When they were done, he said "Well, we only got through about nine. Oh well." and they finished up the rest. I had never heard Alice Donut before, so was pleasantly surprised at how good they were. Musically they were much heavier and slower than any of the other bands, as well as being more professional sounding. The highlight of their set was a version of Black Sabbath's "War Pigs" with a trombone replacing the vocals. After their set, the singer announces "Now you're going to hear Victim's Donut on Blister Acid", and he asked all the other bands to join them onstage. All 15 or whatever of them got up there, ignored the crowd's suggestion of "We Are The World" and played rousing renditions of "My Boyfriend's Back" ("And he's gonna kick your ass!") and "I Wanna Be Your Dog". Truly a special moment. I hope someone had the tapes rolling, it was really something to hear. Cut to 4 hours later... Second show: Delinquent Johns, Wool, L7 This was at the Berkeley Square on University Ave. It looks more like a standard club, with a bar and everything. The Delinquent Johns came on at 10pm to an empty pit and a half-full lounge, and didn't seem too excited about it. Their music wasn't too exciting either, kind of like the Replacements only mellower and more boring (if you can imagine that). After hearing "Smells Like Teen Spirit" between David Lee Roth and Bobby Brown or whatever really awful stuff they were playing between bands, Wool came on. I don't know how popular they are, the audience didn't seem to be especially familiar with their music, but they were very impressive. Simple, straightforward grunge, lots of noise and energy. I plan to hunt them down in a record store sometime soon. After another hour of awful music, L7 appeared and announced that they were having technical difficulties. Apparently Jennifer (the bassist) was having problems with her amplifier, because the bass was far in the background. It didn't seem like it would matter much, though, becuase she only seems to play 3 different notes per song. I was rather disappointed in general; they seemed to be rather flat (no pun intended). They just didn't seem to click. It wasn't fast or loud enough to be punk or thrash, and it wasn't slow or dirty enough to be grunge; it just kind of sat in the middle of blandness. I was reminded the most of early Suicidal Tendencies, only not as heavy and without the fast parts or the soloing. (I kept wanting to yell out "I saw your mommy and your mommy's dead!") I guess they fixed the problem for the encore, though, because you could hear the bass much more prominently. And it definitely made a big difference; they sounded much heavier. I was really starting to get into it, but they only played three songs for the encore, and that was it. Oh well, I had heard such good things about them. I hope that it was just a really off night or something. I guess the grass is always greener on the other side of the border, but now I wish I had gone to see Mary's Danish instead... Overall, it was a well-spent $14 for 7 bands. But it could have been better. -- DougO -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: God's Favorite Networker Subject: Re: L7 or Mary's Danish? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 18:28:17 CDT TRUE STORY: The other day, when I was talkin' bout Cleaver and Chuck D., I was crankin' L7 in a CD player w/ headphones in the Library, and the Info Desk lady came up and said "Could you turn it down? We can hear it around the corner." On headphones! hahaha Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "LSD has been known to cause psychotic reactions in those who don't use it." --Timothy Leary Disclaimer: The opinions contained in this post are not the opinions of the Administration, Faculty, or Student Body of South Dakota State University. Hell, they might not even be mine. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Milquetoast Subject: Re: steve albini To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 10:46:47 +0100 Last thing I heard with his name on was the last Wedding Present lp, Seamonsters - a superb slab of controlled noise. That was released a couple of months ago, so I guess he's been busy elsewhere since. Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth Ann Schaefer Subject: Re: steve albini To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 07:30:09 CDT > > This may be a stupid question, since I really don't know the ins and outs > of recent grunge history, but what is albini up to these days? > > Pat Padua > 108 Mullen Library > Catholic University of America > Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 > Mr. Steve Albini is going to be playing drums with Flour. He's just finished doing some work with Jesus Lizard. When my friends were recording in his basement studio in July he said he was working on getting a band together for this fall. Some other friends will be recording with him in November. His home studio is pretty amazing and he's got two excellent cats, Mia and Fluss. Kitty Empire! But that's about all I know. Beth. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth Ann Schaefer Subject: Neil Young To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 08:03:07 -0500 I'm bummed Neil Young's _Arc-Weld_ has been delayed until Oct.22. But something that's coming out next week is a band called Swervedriver. It's their first LP and comparisons have been made that they sound like Dinosaur, Husker Du, etc. They're Brits too. Some people have actually compared them to My Bloody Valentine. They're a little heavier than that thoughI really don't like to make comparisons because I'm not too good Anyway... Beth. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Neil Young To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 09:10:02 EDT Beth babbles: >I'm bummed Neil Young's _Arc-Weld_ has been delayed until Oct.22. Heh. I would be bummed, but my wallet is sure happy about this. I blew my music budget this weekend in NYC in two stores, if you can imagine, in Hoboken. Sigh. >But something that's coming out next week is a band called Swervedriver. >It's their first LP and comparisons have been made that they sound >like Dinosaur, Husker Du, etc. They're Brits too. Some people have actually >compared them to My Bloody Valentine. They're a little heavier than that > thoughI really don't like to make comparisons because I'm not too good I recall that Julian (where has he gone?) was recommending them highly, along with Lush, Ride, My Bloody Valentine, etc. Since I've become such a slave to the shoegaze sound it looks like this is a must buy as well. I remember he seemed to like them better than any of the above, except maybe MBV. Time to grow the hair over my eyes again... Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not trade shorts with others. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "NATASHA" Subject: Re: Nirvana To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 09:24:00 EDT >From the other Renee: > I think it's great! Some are more melodic than Bleach. > Despite the fact that people keep saying they sold out because > of that I like it. The cover is ...well, interesting, cute baby. > I've got Smells Like Teen Spirit going through my head right > now, I wish I had it with me. Jon and I listened to half of it last nite. It was very good. :) I bribed Jon into letting me keep the cd box.. I love the cover I drove him to the music store last nite. We are true grungers.. we listen to Nirvana and then watch Peter Pan. :)) Seriously though folks "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is a great song. It was funny watching Jon ask for "Nevermind" when calling the music stores to see if they had it. MS: What's the name of the CD? Jon: Nevermind MS: *confusion* :))) hehe later, Ms. Grunge Kitty -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Dougstuff and some Tin Machine comments To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 09:56:58 EDT Griefings, grungillas, DougO speweths: >I had never heard of Social Distortion before "Ball and Chain" and "Story of >my Life", so I thought that's just the kind of band they were. (I like >those songs, too...) What's their old stuff like, punk or grunge or what? They were a fairly intense punk band from LA (I believe) but they went big label and rock-a-billy with the new one. A friend won a promotional copy which he loaned me, and try as I might, I just couldn't get into it. I think there's only one original member left, and I don't like their early stuff enough to recommend it either. Oh well. >Carter USM is from England somewhere. (I think London.) They are >The label is Rough Trade. Two albums, I believe: _30something_ and >_101_Damnations_, both with 1991 copyrights. Both should be available I've seen _101_ in stores but it must be on another label, since Rough Trade is no more. Stupid me, I forgot to check. I picked the CD up and was going to buy it but then the $$$ totals started running through my head and I wimped out. >Also, thanks for all your album recommendations. My shopping list so far >includes: anything by L7, They only things I know about are the single and EP on SubPop. >_Broc's Cabin_ by Rein Sanction (is Rein one >syllable or two?) One syllable, I believe. I'm still not sure what (a) "Creel" is. >and various other borderline grunge stuff like Primus, Husker >Du, Lush, Kitchens of Distinction, Tin Machine, Ned's Atomic Dustbin, the >Inspirals Carpets (Hammond organ grunge!), etc. Funny, although I agree they are borderline I like them all, 'cept maybe the 'Carpets. I warn everyone that the new Tin Machine album, _tin machine II_ should be listened to before being purchased. I know that I'm not too impressed with the damn thing. Any of these reviewers who claim it's basically the same as the first album are writing their reviews from press kits without listening to the album... or their heads are so far up their butts they can't hear too well. I have Mother Love Bone's _Apple_ CD which I'd be happy to sell to someone for $8 plus shipping if they're interested. It's been on the used CD list for months now. Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Gruntruck and Die Kreutzen To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 07:51:35 PDT > > > Have you heard Gruntruck yet? Skin Yard lead vocalist's side project. > > Not as good as SY, but good nun-theless. > Nope. C/Z? I'd like to hear it. What happened to the old > bassist? He had a great groove, but I have no idea who was > responsible for the music. > I dont remember if its C/Z or not, but something makes me think it isnt. I'll try to remember to look tonite. As for the old bass player, well... I dont know that either, but I'll ask around. I see the singer once in a while at a local dive. If I see em again, I'll ask. On to Die Kreutzen. Does anyone know what these guys are up to? I guess this is one for the corn field crew, being from Milwaukee. I think I heard they had something new out, but I haven't seen anything. New to me would be anything post Century Days. john haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Dougstuff and some Tin Machine comments To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 11:10:53 EDT > One syllable, I believe. I'm still not sure what (a) "Creel" is. Isn't a creel some sorta' square-dance thing? Or, of course, the dictionary here at work says it's a wicker-basket for holding fish. Close. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Here we are now, entertain us. I feel stupid and contagious... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth Ann Schaefer Subject: Re: Gruntruck and Die Kreutzen To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 11:11:49 CDT > > > > > > Have you heard Gruntruck yet? Skin Yard lead vocalist's side project. > > > Not as good as SY, but good nun-theless. > > Nope. C/Z? I'd like to hear it. What happened to the old > > bassist? He had a great groove, but I have no idea who was > > responsible for the music. > > > I dont remember if its C/Z or not, but something makes me think it isnt. > I'll try to remember to look tonite. As for the old bass player, well... > I dont know that either, but I'll ask around. I see the singer once in > a while at a local dive. If I see em again, I'll ask. > > On to Die Kreutzen. Does anyone know what these guys are up to? I guess > this is one for the corn field crew, being from Milwaukee. > > I think I heard they had something > new out, but I haven't seen anything. New to me would be anything post > Century Days. > > john > haas@intermec.com > Actually we are cheeseheads here in WI. Die Kreuzen is releasing a new lp soon this month called_Cement_. They just released a 7" for "Big Bad Days" (touch and Go). They just played here in Milwaukee Friday night good set except I've seen them a million times. The LP was recorded at Smart Studios with yes the big man "Butch Vig". What's up with the band Danny:works at Earwaves Records Keith:works at Atomic Records Brian:works at Mainstream Records Eric:various Anything else? Beth. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: well.. just heard it... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 11:15:52 -0500 The great john bonham is dead... died of a drug od... sigh... LONG LIVE BONZO! FRANKenChRIST leper@judy.indstate.edu *praise the LARD* -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Timothy R. Williams" Subject: Nirvana/Das Damen To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 12:18:28 -0400 Hey y'all, Just saw Das Damen and Nirvana last night, here in Pittsburgh. Wow! First up was Das Damen who I happened to think were really cool with their sorta college with enough of a hard edge to make it rock sound. The crowd didn't seem to get into it that much, though. I've heard a bunch of their stuff on record but I don't own any. Anybody have any recommendations for the first Das Damen LP that I should buy? Nirvana was amazing, putting on a better show than when I saw them this summer in Denver with Jesus Lizard and Dinosaur, Jr. They played tons of new songs from the new record (which I will have to buy asap), but did enough stuff from Bleach (Blew, Floyd, About a Girl, Negative Creep, School, etc.) to please those of us who haven't picked up Nevermind...yet. The last song was unreal...Kurt went into a big noisefest and then knocked the mike off the mike stand with his guitar like he was hitting a baseball. After a bit more noise and guitar wanking, he threw his guitar right into one of Dave's cymbal stands which crashed into Dave. So Dave picks up a stand and cymbal and proceeds to destroy it, eventually throwing at the wall. Meanwhile, Kurt picks up his guitar and shoves it through Dave's tom tom. I think Nirvana has shown the greatest advantage to getting signed to a major label, it means you can afford to smash up your equipment. Later, Timmy Hogbitch tw1o+@andrew.cmu.edu p.s.- I like the new Nirvana shirts: "Flower Sniffin, Baby Kissin', Corporate Rock Whores" or something like that, I couldn't afford one. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: Re: Dougstuff and some Tin Machine comments To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 11:20:55 -0500 RE: Social Distortion Yeah, I *had* that cd also (I gave it away).. was it just me, or did _Ball and Chain_ sound a little (dare I say it?) REMish? I rememeber someone telling me that I just HAD to get it, so when I came across a copy, I jumped at it.... man, was I surprised. The first couple songs weren't TOO bad, but things just got worse from there... sounded too much like cock-rock glam fag metal... like an anti-orgasm... FRANKenChRIST leper@judy.indstate.edu "you give me head it makes it worse take out your fuckin' retainter and put it in your purse! too drunk to fuck!" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ramaley%CSLI.STANFORD.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: A review of L7 at the Kennel Club To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 10:51:40 -0700 The full line up was Wool, Victim's Family, umm... Alice Donut, and L7. Mike Howes and I were kickin' back in his Hayes St. apartment, 1/2 block from the club, talking about KZSU's future world domination, so I missed Wool. Victim's Family was great. Have you ever had the experience where you're banging your head to some tunes, and then the guitarist does some strange harmonic, or the bass player does a really incendary riff, and you feel compelled to look up and smile at the fact that someone could actually be creative with RockFormula (tm)? I saw a lot of other peoples heads looking up as well. An amazingly tight band; beyond tight. A synthesized three-man funk machine. if there were an justice in the world, Primus would be 3rd bill and the Family would have been in Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey. Alice Donut. Let me start off by saying that I think of punk rock in the same way that most people on this alias think of rap; a paint-by-numbers, repetitive exercise in exploiting old records and old sounds for lack of musicianship. I read Maximum Rock and Roll, but Lookout! records could fall into the ocean for all I care, and I've never been to Gilman. Alice Donut plays at Gilman a lot. I think I'l stop right there. The only think that saves this band for me is watching the singer go through his own sonic therapy on stage. I don't understand Alice Donut, I guess. When the singer comes on stage with a full-length black trenchcoat painted with some glittering, exploding green thing, I think, "what could he say to me that would mean anything?" So L7. Fantastic. The best show I ever saw with L7 was last time at the Kennel Club. Five things made it fantastic: DAD on stage looking like the singer from Napalm Death, Mike in the pit, a crazy guy singing the words to 'Shove', an invitation from the band to stage dive, and a huge Queer presence, which believe it or not, tends to pull people together in San Francisco. Just about everyone, whether they dye their hair black or not, has to decide at some point, "are they faggots or are they adults who can do whatever they please?". People in SF, for historical reasons, as well as general intelligence, tend for the first choice; and we realize that other 'scenes' haven't made the same choice. So that show was awesome. This show didn't have these things, but it did have Jello Biafra (who I discovered I levelled in the Pit). This show wasn't crazy, but it was fun. They played some new songs, but they didn't play either 'Kill the Landlord' or 'I used to love him' for their encore. To understand L7, you need to have bought a guitar when you were sixteen, turned it up all the way, and played an E cord for 40 minutes. L7 is all about groove, groove, groove. ZZ Top with a lower beard, I guess. A really good time, but not the insanity of the last show. I think last time seeing the Melvins before L7 put everyone in that Melvins' mood; glowering, simmering, violent, goofy. There's my review. -- Alan Aitken Ramaley (415) 326-9546, P. O. Box 9217, Stanford, CA 94309 Favorite Otter Pop Flavor: Sir Isaac Lime -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: Racer X beats Speed Racer any day To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 14:49:43 EDT Perhaps Pat's inquiries regarding El Dopa Senor Albini have been adequately addressed already, but here is a re-posting of a very informative piece by hk (certainly one of the most informed individuals *I* know) about him anyway: Take this with a sack of salt. In <142713@unix.cis.pitt.edu> afbst@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Audrey F Bancroft) sez >I really admire Albini, and would enjoy some conversation about what he's >done, how he got started, etc. I know most of the superficial crap, but >would like to know more about him. The liner notes to _The Hammer Party_ says a bit about how Big Black got started, pretty much as a one-man band that recorded on a four-track borrowed in exchange for beer. But then again, Big Black has been more or less a one-man project: Albini, his drum machine (although he did have a drummer once), and some guitarists that got pissed and split. Rapeman, Albini's other attempt at music, didn't stick around too long because of personnel personality problems (according to bassist David Wm. Sims), although the flak about the name might have added something to strain (Rapeman's drummer is now playing with Tad, by the way). Supposedly Albini has sworn to never again play in a band; however he is keeping busy producing/engineering bands, giving them that trademark bare- bones raw sound: Pixies (when Black Francis found out that Albini was to produce _Surfer Rosa_, he bought a copy of _Songs about Fucking_, took it home, listened to it, and cried), the Breeders, the Wedding Present, Wreck, Boss Hog, the Jesus Lizard, Tad, Silverfish, Pigface, etc. He's just trying to keep busy, he says. As far as his personality goes, I've heard/read a number of different things about him. The members of Wreck have told me that he is a really nice guy who is very quick in the studio (and comes up with -izer gadgets, like the "ridiculizer" used in the first Wreck ep). The singer from Godflesh remembers Albini as an incompetent, headstrong idiot who fucked up the mix to Head of David's _Dustbowl_ album. And the Jesus Lizard had the following few things to tell: a) he's a terrible cook - he fries almost everything, b) he's terrible at tennis, and c) he swallows. I met Albini at a Jesus Lizard show. Just walked up to him and talked for a few minutes. Not enough to learn much or to piss him off, but I got the feeling that he's a relatively nice guy. Surprisingly enough.... >I heard the Big Black interview lp, and that it was great. >Also, I've heard people say that Big Black was a misogynistic group, but I >got just the opposite out of it. Haven't had the good fortune to run into a copy of that interview record, but that sounds interesting enough. People also say that Rapeman was a misogynistic group, although I really don't agree, either. The name kinda bugs me, but the music I don't find to be anti-female ("Trouser Minnow"). And from what I've read in interviews of people who have worked with Albini (a Breeders interview, for example), he isn't misogynist. He has a really firm idea of how things should be done, and if he thinks you're doing something right, he'll respect you, but if you're not, he'll call you names until you do, regardless of gender, etc. What the fuck. I like Albini's music - his own and the stuff that he helped in recording. >What say you? I think I've said too much.... -- hk kahng | "this compact disc is made from analog masters recorded hk@owlnet.rice.edu | without noise reduction. half the tracks, in fact, were rice university | recorded in a dismal, cheap basement eight-track studio houston, texas | with puddles of water on the floor. digital technology | will now faithfully reproduce these noisy, low-fi, un- | professional masters at great expense. | feel stupid yet?" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Popping Collarbones To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 14:03:17 EST Woj-man quips: > the press will not be strong enough to support your landing - as the bozo who > dislocated his collarbone at my feet discovered - we popped it back in tho Well whattaya know, maybe we should call woj Dr. Grunge from now on. Or maybe Grunge Chiropractor. Hope you're there next time I take a header. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: woj%REMUS.RUTGERS.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: a few things To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 17:03:50 EDT SubRob Vaughn sez: [social distortion] >They were a fairly intense punk band from LA (I believe) but they went big >label and rock-a-billy with the new one. *incredibly* intense they were, like unto t.s.o.l. - but like t.s.o.l., they bit it as they went on. the most ironic thing about them is that they had a bunch of *excellent tracks on an early calipunk compilation, _the future looks brighter_, but their future sure turned out to be dim. >One syllable, I believe. I'm still not sure what (a) "Creel" is. it's a thing that holds the bobbins on a sewing machine. whaterya? stoopid? woj@remus.rutgers.edu - heil erland - so many shimmydiscs so little time -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VS8154%UMKCVAX3.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: re:boston goes subpop To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 18:29:00 CDT When I read the subject line, I thought you meant Boston the band! I was starting to question everything I held dear. Jump back! You'll have to forgive me for this next question: I'm newly acquainted with Neil Young's stuff, so don't laugh. :-) Just what is the name of the song that has the lyrics John's gun in my hand felt reassuring and Raise my rifle to my eye Never stop to wonder why Then I saw black And my face flashed in the sky ? What is the name of that song and what album is it on? -Roll yer own: got to hit that spot Sam Hughes -Roll yer own when your hands are hot. vs8154@umkcvax3 -Jethro Tull -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rockin' Jon) Subject: Smells like water leaking To: grunge-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (Grunge Rock Discussion List) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 21:10:08 EDT I just spent 5 or so minutes thrashing about to "Smells like teen spirit." Renee was thrashing against my door, and dennis my housemate was thrashing about in the middle of my room. "That's the kinda song that just needs to be played at 12" I have a small room! 8) Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Registered Propagandist and Ideologue Subject: Neil Young goes Sub-Pop To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 21:38:27 CST >You'll have to forgive me for this next question: I'm newly acquaintedwith >Neil Young's stuff, so don't laugh. :-) Just what is the name of the song >that has the lyrics > John's gun in my hand felt reassuring > >and > Raise my rifle to my eye > Never stop to wonder why > Then I saw black > And my face flashed in the sky > > ? >What is the name of that song and what album is it on? The song is called "Powderfinger", and it is on both _Rust Never Sleeps_ and _Live Rust_ >-Roll yer own: got to hit that spot Sam Hughes >-Roll yer own when your hands are hot. vs8154@umkcvax3 > -Jethro Tull Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "I have a wife I've never seen She hides her face behind a screen" -Dave Jacoby, based on NY, "Only Love can Break your Heart" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: Grunge Fest dates To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 09:49:00 EST Hey Grung-o-matics, Well from the talk from Rob, Rob, and Eric (rob), looks like I missed one hell of a time. Why the hell does it seem that Weddings screw everything up. Always on the wrong weekends. Well, I'm looking forward to the RHCP and Smashing Pumpkins show coming here to Rochacha later this month :)> OK, down to business. I'm joe, the guy I guess holding the Grunge Fest or atleast trying to. I talked it over with my roomies and they said, "yea, we don't give a fuck, that'd be cool", so the green light shines. Next, When is some good dates for you guys. I'm pretty open. I'd like to have it between Thanksgiving and New Years (nice range, not too broad :) School is kinda slow but social life is up those few weeks. We can have it between Christmas and New Years, but I'm not sure what kind of plans everybody has. Ok, if anybody interested in attending could send me some dates that are good, or bad or whatever and anything else you would like to chat about. I think it'd be best to e-mail directly and try to keep this kind of stuff off the list, just to be courteous. I'm gonna see if my band members would be willing to play, as long as you guys don't kill us too bad for sounding not-so-good :)> Please let me know as soon as you can and we can really get some concrete dates down then and I can post the resulting decisions to the List for everyone to see. I'd like to get a bunch of people from all over. And hopefully my couches will be fixed by then(living room mosh pit victims:)> here's my address on Internet jjt7927@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Looking forward to alot of replies. joe@rit Home of the TLA's -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: Smells like speeding tickets To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 08:21:11 PDT > > I just spent 5 or so minutes thrashing about to "Smells like teen spirit." > Renee was thrashing against my door, and dennis my housemate was thrashing > about in the middle of my room. > > "That's the kinda song that just needs to be played at 12" > > I have a small room! 8) > You have a small room? Try that in the cab of a pick-up! I did the same thing to teen spirit yesterday on the freeway, and got a some strange looks. I think I gotta stop listening to that in the car if I expect to keep a clean driving record. I guess I was feeling stupid and courageous. Anyone wanna sell me their CD copy of Bleach? .....I didn't think so. I need a 2nd job. john -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: Grunge Fesdt details To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 11:04:00 EST Hey Grungers, Sorry I forgot to tell everybody where I live. WEll I live in Rochester NY. Pretty much between Buffalo and Syracuse. This is in reference to the Grunge Fest planning if yo are confused. joe -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian J. Eck" Subject: Nirvana + Das Damen - 10/1/91, Philly To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 12:13:38 EDT Ack. I'm not happy. Nirvana were back in town for their third show at a dinky little bar on South St. in Philadelphia, PA. The bar, J.C. Dobbs, had been good to them, so Nirvana was being good back, I suppose. Anyway, the place is tiny and sold out in a real hurry. The opening band was supposed to be the Melvins, but when we got there, a band called Das Damen took the stage. Not too bad; kinda average rockin' kind of stuff. Nothing too noteworthy. The crowd (rabid Nirvana fans, each and every one of them...) wasn't too into them, and I don't think DD was very happy about that. The drummer kicked his kit in a petty show of anger upon leaving the stage. Nirvana finally got on, after some people had been at the club for three and a half hours. The place immediately exploded, but for an all ages show, the crowd wasn't too full of kids. Songs included "Polly", "Come As You Are", "Sliver", and "Smells Like Teen Spirit". All seemed well, and we were all set for a raging two hour sweatfest. Then, at around 10:45, they said goodnight. After about seven songs and forty-five minutes of playing. Just left. And did not come back. I'm not sure whether they hated the crowd (can't figure out why), or maybe the all-ages people had to go by 11, or something. In any case, I was not pleased, nor were the rest of the crowd, who took up a "bullshit, bullshit" chant very quickly, but to no avail. *sigh* Have their other recent shows been really short as well? I would HATE Nirvana to go the way of Social Distortion; a once god-like band absolutely destroyed by a major label. I thought Nirvana were immune, on hearing "Nevermind". Now, I'm not so sure. brian p.s. a friend got a bootleg of the show (what little of it there was...) if anyone wants to trade... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Brian Eck | "Punk? I hate the stuff. I wouldn't | |eck@eniac.seas.upenn.edu | have it in the house." - Mark E Smith | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Truly To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 12:00:37 PDT This one is directed mostly at Seattle grungers, soren, Renee West, and any others, although news of this may have spread elsewhere.... Last night I was in this diner having dinner, and I asked the waitress, as I do everybody lately, if she knew of any available bass players. (she looked like a grunge kitten) So anyway, we got t'talkin about the music scene, and she asked me if I had heard a band called "Truly" which I hadn't. Well I forget who exactly is in it, but I know the bass player is the old one from Soundgarden, Yamamoto or something like that, I forget his first name. Anyway, she said they have something coming out on Subpop next month, and they are really good. Well, she had other tables to attend to, and thats all I got. So has anyone else heard anything about this? What they sound like, who's in it, etc... john haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Renee Hawkins Subject: Re: Nirvana Mama To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 13:02:31 -0700 Joe says: > I was throwing the idea of flying to Seattle this Thanksgiving break >for a little night life with a few friends. Now this idea of a spring Grunge >Fest break has come up and I'm thinking about postponing my trip. This will >give me more time to raise funds and such. How possible does this Spring Break >thing look to others on the list. Looks cool for me. Lets hear some input >here grungers. It sounds great to me. I am already in Seattle so even if my Spring Break is different than everyone elses I'll be here and up to it. John, are you still offering your home for the fest? -The Western Renee -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Grunge who? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 18:27:29 EDT Hello - Forgive my ignorance regarding this list, but I'm new. I don't even know if anyone else is involved in this at this point... I guess my question goes out to all list members - how do you or people in your area define grunge? This is a seemingly easy question, but I've had so many different people refer to things as grunge that didn't seem to be so at all (at least in my book). I recently moved from Seattle to Baltimore, and the stuff that passes for grunge here, well, nevermind... Anyone out there with some input, let me know. I can be reached at RADAVFS@UBE.UB.UMD.EDU (I'm a librarian at the University of Baltimore) If you are interested in some obscure Seattle vinyl products, drop a line! I used to operate a small indy label out there, for what it's worth... Cheers & Keep it Comin' Volker P>S> How many of you have succumbed to the so-called CD Revolution? -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: Grunge who? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 16:33:59 MDT On Wed Oct 2 1991 6:27pm, RADAVFS@UBE.BITNET (RADAVFS@UBE.BITNET) wrote: > Subject: "Grunge who?" > Forgive my ignorance regarding this list, but I'm new. I don't > even know if anyone else is involved in this at this point... > I guess my question goes out to all list members - how do you or people >in your area define grunge? This is a seemingly easy question, but I've had so # ###### ##### # # ### # # # # # # # # ### # # # # # # # ### # # ###### # #### ####### # ####### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ### # # # # ##### # # ### here we go again.... :-0 :-) My Defn: whatever grunge is to me, may or may not be grunge to you. thats the beauty of life. deal with it. ::grumpy :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Re: Grunge who? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 18:56:34 EDT > I guess my question goes out to all list members - how do you or > people in your area define grunge? This is a seemingly easy question, but > I've had so many different people refer to things as grunge that didn't seem > to be so at all (at least in my book). I recently moved from Seattle to > Baltimore, and the stuff that passes for grunge here, well, nevermind... > Volker, first of all welcome to the list! Don't mind Doc, or Grumpy, or any of the other 7 dwarfs we have on the list. He is just a very "unstereotype" kinda guy, and fears that if we get a concrete definition of "grunge" that we will only talk about that select group of bands that fit that catagory. What Doc forgets is that we have a VERY openminded bunch of people here. We just had a 50 message per day thred about rap music on this list. So bacisally what I am trying to say is: What do you want to talk about? Tell us about your Seattle expieriences. THose of us not there love to hear about what is it like there. And tell us about your label. How much does it cost to get it off the ground and such? I always wanted to start my own label. Also, ask rob to mail you his lexicon of grunge. It is a humourous look at grunge rock and what is is and what it isn't. 8) Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Nevermind01.gif To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 19:08:33 EDT While talking about the below with Renee, I for no reason say "I need to turn the radio on" as we are pulling up to park the car and leave it. When I turned the radio on, all the sudden I noticed "Smells like teen spirit" blasting me away! Godda love intuition. Today I was fooling around with the new color scanner here at school and scanned the cover of the new Nirvana album, _Nevermind_. On my way to work, almost all the way to park, I turned to Renee and asked her if I sould post it here. She said that I should. I warn you the image wasn't so perfect. I haven't found out what is wrong, so bare with it, I will repost it soon. So if you don't know how to look at or use a gif file just delete it when you get it with out looking at it. You will recognize it by the title: nevermind01.gif (1/3) nevermind01.gif (2/3)... etc (There may not be three parts, so just use that as a guide.) The file will be uuencoded, so you will need to do the following to view the file: * save the mail to a file for each part * use an editor to edit out the header (there will be nothing at the end of the file (I hate that!) * append the file into one file * uudecode it * view it using an gif image viewer (If you need more detail, ask people at your end.) Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: My definition of a bamboostic Jazz style! To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 19:19:21 EDT Webster says: >No definition for 'grunge'. Maybe you mean: > 1. grange 2. grudge 3. grungy hmmmm... maybe grungy? Webster says: >grun-gy \'gren-je^-\ grun-gi-er; -est >[origin unknown] >(ca. 1969) >:shabby or dirty in character or condition I don't know about you but I don't think any of the music I listen to is "shabby" 8) Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Jarvinen Subject: whatever happened to ... Restless Records? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 20:33:52 EDT Hey, does anyone know what happened to Restless Records, and the whole family of labels run by Enigma Entertainment? I tried asking information for the # for Restless Records, in Culver City, CA, and they told there was no listing. I need to contact Restless, does anyone have any phone #s or leads? You can contact me at userw11n@umichum (BITNET) or jarvinen@um.cc.umich.edu (Internet) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Yet another Nirvana review piece To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 23:53:06 EDT Yes, I know, just what y'all wanted to hear, another impression of the NYC Nirvana show. Suffer. :) I won't go into the big trip explanation, as Eric Zee Fantastic (dub Rob) covered that well. Matter of fact, I'll do as woj did, and simply try to add some insights and perspectives I had. For those lacking short term memories, this was the Nirvana/Melvins show in NYC this last Saturday. It was one of the best shows I've ever been to, yes, and I highly recommend that you see them if they come you're way. Here's why: We ended up at the Marquee a little late (about 25 minutes) and missed about half of The Melvin's opening set. Heavy heavy heavy heavy. Like lead. Thick, slow, grinding, as woj put it, "Great music to chew ice to." Painful. Did I mention heavy? The drummer had the biggest toms and bass I've ever seen, with a huge omnidirectional mic inside the latter. All the cymbals were the biggest, thickest crashes I've ever seen. Sabians, maybe? I'm not a drummer, so don't quote me. He barely kept the slothy beat by banging his head up and down doubletime, and each beat was a painful, hard-thrown hammering of the drums. Tuned low. Deep. It made my heart beat slower. The bassist was spaced, as was the guitarist. The former played a five string as woj pointed out, probably to be able to add that extra guard-rail cable for the *real* deep notes. Lots of weird effects. I still think if you played their albums at 78 rpm you'd hear "In A Gaddaa Da Vida" but maybe that's just me. The NYU-darling crowd stood there, mouths agape, in disbelief. A few were enjoying themselves enough to drool a little (I know I did) and a couple even banged their heads (as I did) real, real slow. No one seemed familiar with the band, nor did anyone move, but I thought they received decent applause at the end of the song and the set. I was impressed. The Melvins are fantasticly unbelievable. I love them. Nirvana was on quickly, opening with a cover (now how often do bands do that, huh?) from a band from Scotland called "Vasoline", I believe. At least that's what he said. The crowd filled in big-time beforehand, with all the "I don't care what the music is, just as long as I get to thrash around and bang some heads" thugs being their rude-ole-selves. I was pretty worried things were going to get ugly and painful. Happy ending - they didn't. Kurt and the kids ran through a nice even splattering of stuff from the new one, _Bleach_, and "Sliver" from the single, plus another cover and about two or three new songs. I like bands that work on material before it hits the album, and these sounded promising. They didn't play "Dive" or "Spank Thru" (my first Nirvana tune, ever) but it was quite okay. I was about to pass out near the end from the mosh/slam/skankage. It was a major crush, but the crowd grooved nicely, thank you, and I was able to move as I wanted without offending/being offended. They came back for a single song encore, after Kurt had smashed his guitar up some. The crowd loved it, but it's starting to seem a bit academic to me, and I thought, "Geez, what a predictable sort of ending." Well, they fixed that during the encore. Kurt didn't even bother picking up the guitar, and the punk cover (? it sounded familar) they played came across well with just bass and drums. Kurt is not the *only* musician in this outfit. Well, this angstful, angry tune ran about five minutes, with nice, quiet (relatively speaking) bits, with this terribly painful and hurtful and bleeding wonderful chorus that Kurt just wailed at the top of his lungs, as he threw himself on the crowd. He kept ahold of the mic (some miracle, I believe) while the crowd floated him around, curled on his back in a psuedo-fetal position, until the end of the chorus when they deposited him (with some help from a roady pulling the mic cord) back on the stage. He did this for every chorus, about four or five times. On stage, he laid crumpled on the ground, singing the lyrics quietly (relatively speaking). It hurt. It was love. It was an amazing sight. The crowd could have dumped him or tore him to shreds, but they didn't. He's not a big guy at all, and seeing little him floating around made me realize just how ballsy he is. It was original, it was wonderful, it was god. If anyone in the NYC area sees pictures of this feat published anywhere (they were tons of photographers on stage, in the balcony, and in the audience) please let me know. I want copies. I want posters. Anything. Amazing. I grabbed me a shirt, the one with Dante's layers of hell on the front and the "Fudge Packin', Crack Smokin', Satan Worshippin' Motherfucker" on the back. I've wanted it a long time. There were a few others, with the "Sliver" single cover and the _Nevermind_ LP cover, and the newest, someone mentioned, that said "Flower Sniffin', Kitty Pettin', Baby Kissin' Corporate Rock Whores". I'm pretty pissed I couldn't get that one, but that's the economic reality of it. Nirvana was fantastic. I love them too. I am a music slut, I know. But right now, here and now, they rule. Anyway, I realize that record reviews are worth almost nothing nowadays, and thus concert reviews are even worse, since it's over and there's no going back. But if I convince even one of y'all who were planning on missing this one to go, it'll have been time well spent. Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: nirv again and again To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 22:18:09 MDT ok : was it robs review where the crowd passed around Kurt of nirvana during a song after he lept/fell onto the crowd? Original? ..................NOT! John of the Fluid has had many a crowd (incl me) pass him around over our heads during songs long ago eh stoltz? this has been going on for years now and I felt obligated to point out nirvana is stealing other bands acts. :-) my neighbors asked me to turn down my stereo when I jacked "nevermind" up loud after charging home from work. poo. Ballads? ok, what is UP with some of these "slow" ballads on the new CD? boooring and it certainly doesnt sound like nirvana inspired songs to me. funny how they didnt do any until this "major label" release. I smell corporate meddlings - especially since John (Fluid man) has had certain bigboys say "yeah we really like the new songs but do you have any ballads or acoustic stuff?" urg. I sure hope nirv didnt bow down and kiss some feet.... gimme one of those fuzzboxes pleez. ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: woj Subject: crowd jumping To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 01:09:28 EDT ...is not a new thing. peter gabriel has been doing it for years when he sings "lay your hands" live. hell, even the bozo from the alarm did it when they played st lawrence university in, um, '88-89 (yeah, i went, i was starved for live music in potsdam, ny). lots of people do it...big deal. robwoj -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: crowd jumping To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 01:41:00 EDT >...is not a new thing. peter gabriel has been doing it for years when >he sings "lay your hands" live. hell, even the bozo from the alarm >did it when they played st lawrence university in, um, '88-89 (yeah, >i went, i was starved for live music in potsdam, ny). lots of people >do it...big deal. Ah, you fellows missed my point. It was not that he was doing *anything* particularly new or interesting, it was the way he was doing it, the way he kept singing through that mic, the way he was all curled up funny, the way it just worked perfectly with the song. He didn't do a crowd dive eyes open, head forward, like "Gee, I'm jumping on the crowd and they will carry me and all that" but more like he was throwing himself off a cliff to his death. He seemed to be somewhat scared to me, maybe that's what he intended, but it fit the music and I think it added a certain edge to his voice. Most crowd divers do it as a big ego boost, I think. Kurt acted like he was swimming amongst sharks, not being lovingly hoisted by his fans. I mean, heck, Jello Biafra used to end up in and on the audience about a dozen times a show back with the DKs. I'm sure it was not original then either. Maybe it was all just a warped perception on my part, but to me it was pretty different than the typical float. No anticipation, no rehersal, heck, I don't even know if he planned on it. He just suddenly ran forward and tossed himself off the stage. It weren't part of the act. And if it was, he sure fooled me. You guys should give me more credit than to suggest I thought crowd-diving, by the audience or the performer, was something new. Be not so jaded either. Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Oof. Ouch. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 01:48:08 EDT Oof. Now a slam from Exby re: crowd jumping. I guess that's what I get for trying to describe a personal perspective. Not an easy thing to do in person, much less on the net. Review disclaimer: my Nirvana review was meant to add some personal perspectives (i.e. what I saw and felt, possibly and likely different from others' reality) to the two previous excellent messages about the same show. I was just relating some other views from some different eyes. It's not meant to be taken as opinion of statement, just description. There. I feel better. I still think it was a more sincere stage-dive than anything I've seen since the DKs. So there. Nyah! ;) Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Murtaugh Subject: Re: Oof. Ouch. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 08:40:56 CDT > Oof. Now a slam from Exby re: crowd jumping. I guess that's what I get for > trying to describe a personal perspective. Not an easy thing to do in > person, much less on the net. Hey, I don't care WHAT they say about you, Rob -- you're all right. I loved the Nirvana review. Keep those cards and letters coming! -Paul "I will not try to out-do Rob." -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: Oof. Ouch. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 07:52:11 MDT On Thu Oct 3 1991 1:48am, Rob Vaughn (rob@SNOOPY.MSC.CORNELL.EDU) wrote: > Subject: "Oof. Ouch." > Oof. Now a slam from Exby re: crowd jumping. I guess that's what I get for > trying to describe a personal perspective. Not an easy thing to do in person, > much less on the net. > nah man not a slam from me - didnt cha note the smiley in my article? I was just pointing out that the fluid (John) does this all the time during the last few years.. :-) I'll ask him to do it again oct12 when I see em in boulder... keep doing the personal perspective. I will too just to keep the banter going. 8-) ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: Grunge who? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 09:00:07 EST I knew this latest round of 'what is grunge?' newbie posting would piss Exby off. Looks like a case for Dr. Rob! Ron "Smartass" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: Grunge who? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 08:04:40 MDT On Thu Oct 3 1991 9:00am, Ron Rader (rlr@bbt.com) wrote: > Subject: "Re: Grunge who?" > I knew this latest round of 'what is grunge?' newbie posting would piss > Exby off. > well you got me pinned down there ron. 8-) actually I am not pissed per se - just continually baffled as to why it has to be such a big deal to "label" something. I mean do you walk into your closet going: "hm I wonder if these pants are preppy? is this shirt a bit to new-wave? are these socks REALLY argyle?? " :-) ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: reeves%CS.UCLA.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: crowd jumping To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 07:08:04 PDT >I mean, heck, Jello Biafra used to end up in and on the audience about a >dozen times a show back with the DKs. I'm sure it was not original then >either. Iggy was doing crowd floats in '74 (my first trip to the Whisky, on the Raw Power tour). Jello ripped off most of his stage act from Iggy. I think Elvis ripped of Robert Johnsen, but I could be wrong. --John -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Oof. Ouch. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 10:20:01 EDT >> Oof. Now a slam from Exby re: crowd jumping. I guess that's what I get for >> trying to describe a personal perspective. Not an easy thing to do in >> person, much less on the net. Worry not, Exby, I didn'a take it personally. If I thought it was a real slam I would either (a) cuss you out via email or (b) just forget the whole thing and shut up. I just wanted to clarify things lest more people took my impressions as more than that. Paul "Who Needs Money?" Murtaugh sez: >I loved the Nirvana review. Keep those cards and letters coming! Worry not, I've every intention of continued babbling. Just thought I'd point out the "personal perspective" bit. >"I will not try to out-do Rob." Good, good. Good to see you know your place. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not eat pickled pig's teeth. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Grunge who? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 10:28:34 EDT >>I knew this latest round of 'what is grunge?' newbie posting would piss >>Exby off. >actually I am not pissed per se - just continually baffled >as to why it has to be such a big deal to "label" something. Well, let's see if I can try to explain this as I see it: A new person comes along and hears about this "grunge" music list. They have no clue what "grunge" is but they join anyway. Most people (especially students, I've noticed, who always seem to be the ones who ask this question) either do not know of the tradition of keeping quiet and listening in until you know what's going on, or they choose to ignore it. Thus, here they are and they have never heard the term grunge before. So they ask. So either we tell them to shut up and listen in for a while, until they get the drift of the list, or we try to give them a definition. I'm not sure which way would be better, nor do I know Jon's philosophy, but it's probably up to him to decide how this should be handled. I do understand their curiousity though, and many groups have some sort of "charter" which explains the general idea of the list. Perhaps one is needed here, and should be sent out to all new subscribers, if it isn't already. Comments? Opinions? Suggestions? Jon, help? Mr. Verbose, Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: Nirvana Mama To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 07:35:17 PDT > > Joe says: > > I was throwing the idea of flying to Seattle this Thanksgiving break > >for a little night life with a few friends. Now this idea of a spring Grunge > >Fest break has come up and I'm thinking about postponing my trip. This will > >give me more time to raise funds and such. How possible does this Spring Break > >thing look to others on the list. Looks cool for me. Lets hear some input > >here grungers. > > It sounds great to me. I am already in Seattle so even if my Spring > Break is different than everyone elses I'll be here and up to it. > John, are you still offering your home for the fest? > -The Western Renee > Of course! But I don't know if your aware that I live at the mission. No, seriously, that would be great! That is, provided my band doesn't find a bass player, write a full sets worth of material, get signed, do an album and have to go on tour by then. :) Come one, come all!! john haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Iggy and Elvis crowd presence To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 10:26:02 EST > Iggy was doing crowd floats in '74 (my first trip to the Whisky, on > the Raw Power tour). Jello ripped off most of his stage act from Iggy. Wow, you must be really old ;) ! Lucky, too; I love that early Stooges stuff like Raw Power, and wish I could have seen vintage live Stooges. I even like Iggy's recent solo stuff. > I think Elvis ripped of Robert Johnsen, but I could be wrong. Doubtful. I don't think Elvis personally knew a whole lot about the early Delta blues, although a lot of old songs filtered their way through the Opry and country/western scene to the Colonel and Elvis. I'm sure lots of the dudes writing Elvis' tunes were familiar with R. Johnson and might have even spread that Johnson stage presence stuff to "The King." Then again, I'll talk the blues no matter what list I'm posting too, and I could be wrong. So I'll shut up. Ron "Blues Boy" Rader don't let none of them jive hip squares try to tell you where the blues is from the blues is from the whole wide world deep within the soul of man - Eric Burden and the New Animals -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: Nirv Gas To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 10:37:57 MDT On Thu Oct 3 1991 8:16am, John Haas (haas@intermec.com) wrote: > Subject: "Nirv Gas" > > > I was reading a nirvana article the other day, and they were saying > how they had all this material written and in the can and were waiting > for Subpop to get together with a major, but when that fell through they > went to DGC and the rest is Pop Music History!!! > I agree this is what happened with Nirv - I was just wondering if the ALL the slowdowns were a direct result of the "major label" saying "do something acoustic" .... > possible, to show we care :) ), ANYHOW, doc, do you know if John (fluid) > ever did anything like that. It seems that Fluid was in the same > situation, and with DGC experimenting with more alternitive bands, I thought > they might like Fluid. I'm sure Fluid is with it enough to think of this > themselves, I'm just wondering what happened with it, or why they didn't > try, etc... > > haas@intermec I dont recall John (Fluid) bringing up DGeffen in their neverending search for a major label. obviously the Fluid have tons of songs ready to go now - and were never waiting on SubPar, they're out doing searching on their own but are being asked to give up a large % of the receipts. I could EASILY see the Fluid on DGeff and plan on talking to JOhn about it a bunch oct12. but the majors dont seem to be courting the Fluid, JOhn is initiating everything. London records prez directly told John if they had some acoustic or ballds songs a deal cuold be worked out. the band told em to go to hell cause they dont want anyone telling them what kind of songs to write. I guess we dont know what DGeff told nirv to do - but I still am suspiscious a bit.... ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: Re: crowd jumping To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 11:49:39 -0500 and if you want to go back further than DK, Jim Morrison stage dived. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Re: Grunge who? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 15:02:18 EDT First of all, I really don't think it is my decision to make whether we should send a message to new subscribers of grunge-l. It is our list, I am just the janitor. Each person the posts and reads this list makes the list what it is today. I don't want to irratate Doc, or Rob, or Hagen hass. My opinion is that if someone sends a question to the list we should answer it. Whether we like to define and close off potential subscribers, it is better to do this now than to have persay a closeminded metal head that only like Helloween, and Magadeath, sit and sift through 40 concert reviews of Nirvana. I would like to suggest that if there is a request of "What is grunge" that number one, everyone that is sick of the subject not publicly moan and groan, all that does is waste net band width and creat more problems than they are worth, including possibly turning off a new subscriber. Secondly, I would suggest having Rob send his def of grunge to that person with a header saying something to the effect that what he is sending is a premade file and that it is by no means the end of subject, but just an way of giving the subscriber the idea of what grunge could be. Waddu guys think? Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. 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FRANKenChRIST leper@judy.indstate.edu *may the farce be with you* l -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: uh huh.... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 15:09:24 EDT A friend of mine just returned from the Anthrax/PE/Primus show in DC last night (the one for which he bought me tickets and I couldn't go...). Here, briefly, is his review: The sound sucked, which ruined the show. They were using wireless mikes, which was the apparent cause of the problem. Anthrax opened and they weren't as loud as the PA and you couldn't hear Belladona above the backup mikes or the instruments. Bad start. They only played 6 or 7 songs, albeit the popular ones (Indians, Keep It In the Family, I'm the Man). 35 minutes. Then PE's mikes wouldn't work for shit either. Which, for a rap act, has got to hurt. He doesn't know much PE, but there was some reference to the new stuff. Finally, they apparently got it together for Primus. He knew most of what they played (Tommy', Jerry', Too Many Puppies, etc.), and said Les Claypool kicked ass. He's become a Primus convert. Essentially, he said he would have enjoyed the show if it hadn't been for the sound. He recommended that no one ever go to a show at this place (The Citidel? It's an old skating rink...). I'll give you his second-hand review of Nirvana/Das Damen soon. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Here we are now, entertain us. I feel stupid and contagious... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: Yet another Nirvana review piece To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 15:21:50 -0600 >Nirvana was on quickly, opening with a cover (now how often do bands do that, >huh?) from a band from Scotland called "Vasoline", I believe. At least that's >what he said. I'm guessing the song is "Molly's Lips". There's a split single with The Fluid which contains that song (on SubPop). I haven't heard it, but I've seen it advertised. The band's name is The Vaselines, btw. They are indeed from Scotland, and their name is often mentioned in the same breath as the Pastels. soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: whatever happened to ... Restless Records? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 15:24:00 -0600 Enigma/Restless went bankrupt last year. Recently, Restless has started up again, and has put out a few albums. The only one I've seen is the latest Band of Susans album (not as awesome as the first two albums, but pretty good, if you like the sound of three electric guitars all playing the same chord at the same time). I've heard of several others being advertised, but the only one I recall right now is a new solo album by Greg Sage (ex-Wipers guitar/vocals). soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: House #1 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 18:04:12 EDT Beth Ann Schaefer asks and mentions: > I have a question..... Was _Nevermind_ released on vinyl at all? Has >anyone seen it? Yup, it's available in Europe on vinyl. Saw a copy in a store in Hoboken, along with vinyl Pixies and some others. They were all running about $16, as collectors' items or some such thing. Too bad. I still like vinyl. At least you can see the pictures. >Mr. Steve Albini is going to be playing drums with Flour. > basement studio in July he said he was working on getting a band together for > this fall. Some other friends will be recording with him in November. And he said that he was all through with being in a band, forever. Sounds like Jello. >He's just finished doing some work with Jesus Lizard. This is good news. Are we talking something that may be released? > home studio is pretty amazing and he's got two excellent cats, Mia and Fluss. > Kitty Empire! But that's about all I know. I wondered who the "Fluss" was who gets production credit on the Rapeman "Budd" EP for a long time now. "Kitty Empire" indeed. I think I'll put on _Songs About Fucking_ as soon as this disc is over. Chip Hart mumbles: > I also like Skin Yard's "Fist Sized Chunks" (and seem to be > alone in my tastes). I have seen their stuff but never heard anything about them, so I haven't known what to do. But if you recommend I may grab some, how's about a review? They're on C/Z records, no? John Haas ponders: >C/Z RECORDS is about fo foist releases from PORN ORCHARD and NEUROSIS >on the market.... Saw someone with a Porn Orchard shirt on at the Nirvana concert. Shoulda talked to him, I guess. >Just the stuff that might be of interest. Please let me know if >you guys want me to keep relaying Northwest stuff like this, or if >its just an annoyance. Yes, yes, this was very good. Keep the exerpts from The Rocket coming. I enjoyed it, and there are a few bands in there I've heard mention of. And if they bring up Jack Endino every now and then, well... >ok, talk amongst yourselves.... Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: House #2 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 18:04:21 EDT Great gaggle of grungefiends, John Haas wonders: >On to Die Kreutzen. Does anyone know what these guys are up to? I guess >this is one for the corn field crew, being from Milwaukee. I think I heard >they had something new out, but I haven't seen anything. New to me would >be anything post Century Days. Well, someone (Beth?) filled in the "current details" but here's some more - they released an EP on Touch & Go about a year or two ago called _Gone Away_ with two studio tracks on the front and five live tracks on the backside. They recently released a single as well, with "Pink Flag" (a Wire cover) and "Land of Treason" (a Germs cover). Good stuff, all. Speaking of Touch & Go, I plan on getting that discography started tonight, so if anyone wants to help once I've exhausted my meager supply of stuff, chime in. ------------------------------ Here we go, Beth answers: >Die Kreuzen is releasing a new lp soon this month called_Cement_. >They just released a 7" for "Big Bad Days" (touch and Go). Is this a limited edition single (i.e. no mail-order)? If not, I think I'll be puttin' ma check in the mail soon. ------------------------------ Ronbo Levasseur stutters: >now that i have the new cd, i was relieved to see some lyrics to 'smells >like teen spirit'. much of it seems to be stream of consciousness >nonsense. the only thing is that the words in the liner notes are not >all the words to the song. i've listened to the song many times and tried >to match the lyrics up with the words supplied...the end of the spiel is in >the song at different points, but the beginning isn't. I like this a lot. Kurt seems to write simple lyrics, with a lot of thought-streams, and I think it's really entertaining. Lyrics like those to "Sliver" are fantastic. Who needs another pro/anti-drug song or a tune about love? >without aid, i testify that i might have never figured out >"a mulatto, an albino, a mosquito, my libido". does anyone know all >the lyrics to that song...if so, could you post them? Sounds like he's just throwing together words that sound good together, which is an idea that really appeals to me. Eric and I have been trying to come up with some lyrics, and his suggestion is that we should just make up our own - "We're Nirvana, And we're skate punks, Don't be stupid, Buy our album." ------------------------------ Lastly, Peter Stolz rambles: >[...stuff about _Glue_ greatness deleted] I second all the PR. I wasn't very impressed with _Glue_ the first time I heard it, but now it's in the tape deck in the car constantly. ------------------------------ So, is this digest sort of thing better? Keeping down on the total number of messages, no? Bought shitloads last weekend, and got some attention from SubPop, so expect to hear lots, as well as that Amp. Reptile stuff I've been meaning to listen to. Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat Padua" Subject: House #2 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 18:58:20 EDT RE:Touch and Go Don't forget No Trend's TRITONIAN NASH-VEGAS POLYESTER COMPLEX, a 1988(?) release. Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: woj Subject: Re: Oof. Ouch. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 19:25:55 EDT Paul Murtaugh sez: >"I will not try to out-do Rob." which one? woj -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Renee Hawkins Subject: Smells like... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 16:26:27 -0700 Rob says: >Ronbo Levasseur stutters: > >>now that i have the new cd, i was relieved to see some lyrics to 'smells >>like teen spirit'. much of it seems to be stream of consciousness >>nonsense. the only thing is that the words in the liner notes are not >>all the words to the song. i've listened to the song many times and tried >>to match the lyrics up with the words supplied...the end of the spiel is in >>the song at different points, but the beginning isn't. > >I like this a lot. Kurt seems to write simple lyrics, with a lot of >thought-streams, and I think it's really entertaining. Lyrics like those to >"Sliver" are fantastic. Who needs another pro/anti-drug song or a tune about >love? > >>without aid, i testify that i might have never figured out >>"a mulatto, an albino, a mosquito, my libido". does anyone know all >>the lyrics to that song...if so, could you post them? > >Sounds like he's just throwing together words that sound good together, which >is an idea that really appeals to me. Eric and I have been trying to come >up with some lyrics, and his suggestion is that we should just make up our >own - Does anyone know what the song is really talking about? Somewhere someone gave me the impression it is about drug addiction but the mulatto,albino,mosquito,libido part made me think of AIDS. I can't understand most of what he's saying though. About the printed lyrics on the thing, that mess of lyrics has only a few words from different songs. It makes it kind of difficult to understand any whole song. I don't know, maybe that's the point. If anyone can decipher even a bunch of the lyrics would you post them? Merci! -Renee,the second -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: House #1 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 18:25:40 -0600 >Chip Hart mumbles: >> I also like Skin Yard's "Fist Sized Chunks" (and seem to be >> alone in my tastes). >I have seen their stuff but never heard anything about them, so I haven't >known what to do. But if you recommend I may grab some, how's about a review? >They're on C/Z records, no? I have *Fist Sized Chunks*, and am a bit disappointed with it. There are some real good songs on it (especially the one they do with Helios Creed), and a lot of what seemed like too much generic hardrock posturing (which is not, of course, a bad thing in and of itself, but it didn't work for me last time I listened to the album.) soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: woj Subject: my definition... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 20:28:47 EDT jon...you could always just take rob's definition of a grunge band file and have the listserv automagically send them it when a person subscribes...save rob the hassle of monitoring all new subbers (or whatever). woj@remus.rutgers.edu - dj-for-hire - so many shimmydiscs so little time -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: grunge-r-us To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 20:40:04 EDT Hello all- Thanks to all that responded to my query, especially you friendly ones. Particularly enjoyed the grungy intro from rob. What makes so many of you think that I was trying to pigeonhole the term GRUNGE? I was just looking for some input, and I was a) accused of being opposed to individual rights, b) made aware of the fact that I didn't really know what grunge was (like those many other "students etc" that try to join and c) disgusted with the elitist attitude that was subtly implied in some of the messages! GRUNGE to me doesn't mean anything in particular - Tom Jones can be as GRUNGE as Halo of Flies, as far as I'm concerned! Now that that's off my chest, I look forward to some communication. Have any of you heard the band Love and Respect? It was the last project that I was involved in before leaving the Pacific Northwest. Let me know... I'd also be more than happy to talk about any Seattle junk - it seems th at people are still sort of interested. Write on the forum, though, since it really should be just that. Someone asked me to talk about running a record label as well, but I'll have to put it off until the reference desk is a little less busy - maybe Sunday night (Weekend Work - Groan!) Cheers & so on Volker -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Tucker Subject: grunge? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 21:56:48 EDT here's a sporty idea i have! instead of the same discussion on what is and is n ot howsabout we all post our top ten fave grunge albums and top ten others for contrast, i think this may bring up some scintilating conversation..and would help describe grunge for new readers!! jeff t univ of louisville home of the fighting cardinals literally speaking that is! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Timothy R. Williams" Subject: Re: grunge? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 22:27:49 -0400 jeff t sez: here's a sporty idea i have! instead of the same discussion on what is and is not howsabout we all post our top ten fave grunge albums and top ten others for contrast, i think this may bring up some scintilating conversation..and would help describe grunge for new readers!! jeff t I like this idea. Here's my top five grunge records for this week (in no order): 1. Soundgarden "Screaming Life" 12"(waitin for the new one) 2. Mudhoney "Mudhoney"(need to buy the new one) 3. L7 "Smell the Magic" 4. Steel Pole Bathtub "Butterfly Love" 5. Fluid "Glue/Roadmouth" cd (I'm from Denver, I must love 'em) top five other records for this week (in no order): 1. Fishbone "Truth and Soul" 2. Mother Love Bone "Shine" or "Apple" 3. Shudder to Think "Ten Spot" 4. Christian Death "Atrocities" 5. Curtis Mayfield "Soundtrack from Superfly" (1972) Also, notice I said "this week." What is so beautiful about underground music is that there is so much out there. By next week, I could discover a whole new group of incredible bands. This is what is so sad about radio and "classic rock" and that whole scene, it is so limited! Granted, Led Zeppelin can be grungy (listen to "The Immigrant Song") but they are so overplayed that there is almost nothing special about listening to them. Here's another idea: each time you post something on the list, include the name of a band or record that you especially like and recommend. Tell me what you think. keep shakin', Timmy Hogbitch tw1o+@andrew.cmu.edu my recommendation for today: Buffalo Tom "Birdbrain" (kinda like Dinosaur Jr. but with a style of its own) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dyslexia Subject: Re: Truly To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 21:30:57 -0700 In response to John's question about Truly, they have already pretty much broken up. The band was Hiro who was in Soundgarden a few years ago, Mark Pickerel who used to drum for Screaming Trees, Chris Quinn, and Robert who was in Storybook Crooks. Well, Mark moved back to Ellensberg, and the band is no longer doing much. Mark and Hiro both quit each of their respective previous bands because they didn't want to tour. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: grunge-r-us To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 23:06:41 MDT On Thu Oct 3 1991 8:40pm, RADAVFS@UBE.BITNET (RADAVFS@UBE.BITNET) wrote: > Subject: "grunge-r-us" > What makes so many of you think that I was trying to pigeonhole > the term GRUNGE? I was just looking for some input, and I was a) accused of > being opposed to individual rights, b) made aware of the fact that I didn't > really know what grunge was (like those many other "students etc" that > try to join and c) disgusted with the elitist attitude that was subtly implied > in some of the messages! well I hope I didnt insult you, but really asking "what do you define as grunge?" is = pigeonhole concept. define means rules, regulations, categorize etc.... the MAIN reason this bugs me because it can lead to many msgs rehashing old shit when new/non-grun/alternative issues could be brought up. I know people are smart here and diverse so just say whatever the hell you want whether is grunge or not. (off soapbox) could someone post Nirvana tour dates west of the ol Miss? [ob Nirvana] "even in his youth, even in his youth, even in his youth he was nothing !" ::j p.s. talk about coincidences. um, the "Fluid" are not playing boulder oct12. sorry to misinform. but a VERY SIMILAR band under the name of NirvOnGeff ARE playing oct12 in boulder. hint hint. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Oof. Ouch. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 08:18:23 EDT >>"I will not try to out-do Rob." >which one? woj Yeah, you have to remember that there's three of us here, myself, being the weenie-in-training, and woj, being the woj, and Eric, lord o' weenies, having been knighted by sir woj this weekend is now also officially a Rob... Of course, if yer smart, you won't try to hair-do any of us. Don't mind me. It's early and I babble. I'm happy to say I got a good start on the Touch & Go discography last night, and much to my suprise I think I own over 30 T&G albums, and a bunch of singles. Wow. I will make it available as soon as it's done. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not turn my friends' piss purple. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: my definition... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 08:28:25 EDT woj the Travelling Maniac sez: >jon...you could always just take rob's definition of a grunge band file and >have the listserv automagically send them it when a person subscribes...save >rob the hassle of monitoring all new subbers (or whatever). This is true. Instead of a definition (which would kill Exby, to be sure), I could attempt to rewrite the silly thing into some sort of wise-ass "charter", that gives some ideas about the flavor of the list and the wise-ass (yet loveable) nature of its current lackeys and residents. Sound worthwhile? Part of it could be a straw poll from the current members of some of their favorite bands or recommendations. Exby's vote = Fluid, Fluid, and Fluid. I don't think Stoltz is that demented yet. :) Perhaps someone with more writing ability should do it as well. Everyone here seems qualified, but Alan Aitken Ramaley stands out in my mind as being particularly masterful in expressing himself. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not belch in church. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Yet another Nirvana review piece To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 08:37:49 EDT soren sez: >I'm guessing the song is "Molly's Lips". There's a split single with >The Fluid which contains that song (on SubPop). I haven't heard it, but >I've seen it advertised. I have that single, it's a live split with the Fluid on the A-side. The Vaselines song was definitely not "Molly's Lips" (some guy at the show was shouting "Molly's Lips!" when they came on for the encore. I kept shouting "Spank Thru!" We switched choices after a couple of yells.) Actually, I thought that tune was/is a Nirvana original, but as usual, I could be mistaken. >The band's name is The Vaselines, btw. They are indeed from Scotland, >and their name is often mentioned in the same breath as the Pastels. I don't know who the Pastels are either. Could you send some enlightenment my/our way? Comparisons to other bands is okay by me (unless, like this case, I have no clue who anyone is). Many thanks. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I did not lick Elvis. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: grunge-r-us To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 08:54:08 EDT Hi Volker and all, >Particularly enjoyed the grungy intro from rob. Glad to hear it. It needs some polishing, methinks, but I'm lazy. >What makes so many of you think that I was trying to pigeonhole >the term GRUNGE? Actually, I doubt anyone does. It's just a long-standing joke/debate that's been going on for over a year now. It's mostly sarcastic humor, which to someone just coming in, might look like a real battle. >b) made aware of the fact that I didn't really know what grunge was >(like those many other "students etc" that try to join Actually, I made the "student" reference, but it was not meant to be in any way derogatory. Instead, I was emphasizing the transient nature of most students - i.e. they only have computer access during the school year and thus cannot be on the list all the time. Also, new students often get network access for the first time in their life, and thus cannot be expected to know all the in's and out's. It was not meant to come across as elitism or snobbery in any way. I think it's a fact worth mentioning. I think students play an important role in this list, and taking the above into account, it would be worthwhile to have a charter to help them "get up to speed" (so to speak) when they join (IMHO, of course :) >GRUNGE to me doesn't mean anything in particular - Tom Jones can be >as GRUNGE as Halo of Flies, as far as I'm concerned! Funny thing is, the person we pick on the most would agree with you totally on this, eh Exby? Halo of Flies are gut, gut, I might mention. >Have any of you heard the band Love and Respect? Nope. But feel free to talk about this or any other Seattle stuff. Babble away. I'm interested in everything, and I think that's true for others. Chief Long-wind Mouth-large, Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: molly molly To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 07:39:30 MDT ok - I've got the fluid/nirvana split 7" and it CLEARLY says on the record itself about the Molly Lips song (c)1987 Vaselines. clears that up dont it? ok thats all i got fer now... ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: molly molly To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 10:31:08 EDT >ok - I've got the fluid/nirvana split 7" and it >CLEARLY says on the record itself about the Molly Lips song >(c)1987 Vaselines. Okay, I'll buy that, since I haven't had time to check it out (I keep my records at home where they belong, not like some deviants) but I'm still positive that's not the song they played live. It was a different one, with more lyrics, and very melodic. Excellent show opener I think, although the mosh-heads weren't able to crunch and munch. Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: words words To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 08:52:22 MDT wow - listening to TeenSpirit while driving through the snow to work! jammin - people must think we're all on drugs. I think (by concensus or otherwise) we do need to get the lyrics to these cool Nirv songs going.....and posted here. whaddya ya say all? I think since the rob(s) have listened to it most they should start! :-) stoltz and I are planning on putting together a massive Fluid-file containing tidbits, trivia and lyrics. we should start on it soon... ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Word play To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 09:55:54 EST Rob-erino states: > Sounds like he's just throwing together words that sound good together, which > is an idea that really appeals to me. To extend the Floyd tangent a bit, you might want to check out "Word Song" on Syd Barrett's solo album "Opel," which is just what you're talking about. Ron "sub A" -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Names, names, gotta keep em straight To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 10:04:20 EST Lots-o-weenies talkin at once: > >>"I will not try to out-do Rob." > >which one? woj > > Yeah, you have to remember that there's three of us here Not only are there at least 3 Robs, there are at least 2 Renees and at least 2 Rons (myself being one). I'm starting to think like-names means similar twisted musical tastes... And then there's "snack-food" Chip! ;) Ron "oh shit I'm late for a meeting" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat Padua" Subject: grunge-r-us To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 11:05:11 EDT I like Tom Jones. For his grungy side, check out his version of little Richard's "Bama lama bama loo" Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: Well, shit... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 10:11:01 -0500 A lot has been said about the upcoming (and in progress) Anthrax and co. tour, but does anyone out there have any tour dates r know where I can get them? Plllllllleeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaassssssssseeeeeeeeeee? I'll clean up after your dog for a month! FRANKenChRIST leper@judy.indstate.edu oh... well, might as well post top 5 grungies (Disclaimer: As I am relatively new to this scene, I am limited in my tastes... bear with me.) 1. Anthrax - "Attack of the Killer B's" 2. Dead Kennedys - "Frankenchrist" (of course) (and don't say it ain't grungy) 3. GnR - "Appetite for Destruction" 4. All White Jury - Self titled (They're a punk band from D.C. Broke up *sniff 5. Jimi Hendrix - "Are you Experienced" Well, there's my .02 cents worth. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: Skan Yird To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 11:29:28 EDT I'm really surprised SubRob doesn't own any Skin Yard, considering how he never shuts up about Jack Endino. (I like to try to goad him into buying anything and everything. Heh.) _Fist Sized Chunks_ is on Cruz, not the Ladd-Frith (?) label C/Z. But about Skin Yard.....I remember a mini-LP type release that was at ktru (Houston) with a bare-chested woman drawing a nocked bow on the cover. I remember really liking this a lot. Is this still available? What's it called? (Pssst. Mason just mentioned the new Scratch Acid disc over on nm-list. Maybe we're penetrating with the grunge thing after all. 8-{} ) Top Five Grunge o' the week (as given by Billboard magazine) ;) (1) Nirvana _Nevermind_ (2) Mudhoney _Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge_ (3) Killdozer _Twelve-Point Buck_/_Little Baby Buntin'_ (a kinda permanent fix- ture) (4) Scratch Acid _Berserker_ (5) VA _Dope, Guns, and Fucking in the Streets, Vol. 1-3_ Top Five Grunge-if-Exby-Wants-'Em-to-Be: (1) Godflesh _Streetcleaner_ ('n' _Slavestate_, too) (2) Autopsia _Death is the Mother of Beauty_ (3) Ride _Nowhere_ (4) Head of David _CD_ (5) Zeni Geva _Maximum Money Monster_ Not that anyone really cared.....(Actually, even my non-grunge choices are pretty grungy; what's happening to me????????) >>He's just finished doing some work with Jesus Lizard. > >This is good news. Are we talking something that may be released? Wasn't Beth referring to Albini's involvement with Jesus Lizard's _Goat_? I remember hk saying something to the effect that Albini took on production duties or somesuch. (To answer Rob's Q.) But I may be woefully underinformed.. ...guess that's not really "recent" anymore. Lookin' forward to "livin'" in joe@rit(home of the t.l.a.'s)'s livin' room, Eric avera@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu "I'm not enough of a geek to have (know how to create) a real .sig file." -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat Padua" Subject: Well, shit... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 12:15:14 EDT The tour dates are available in the issue of Rolling Stone with Eric Clapton on the cover. Kind of a moral dilemma, I guess... Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Down Subject: Anthrax/PE To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 11:39:21 CDT Somebody asked about tour dates, I can just tell you about the one here in town (Champaign, IL) this Sunday. Sort of surprising that they would come here, actually. Doug -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: Smells Like Teen Spirit lyrics To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 11:40:00 EST Hey Grungers, How does this sound for Smells. Bitch of a time trying to figure out some parts. Any changes would be very welcome and encouraged. I'm gonna try to decipher a few more later today too. joe@rit Home of the TLA's Smells Like Teen Spirit ======================= Load up on guns Bring your friends It's fun to lose And to pretend She's overboard Myself assured I know I know A dirty word hello (x 16) With the lights out it's less dangerous Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious Here we are now Entertain us A mulatto An albino A mosquito My Libido Yea I'm worse at what I do best and for this gift I feel blessed I met a group that's always been And always will until the end hello (x 16) With the lights out it's less dangerous Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious Here we are now Entertain us A mulatto An albino A mosquito My Libido Yea And I forget Just what the taste And yes I guess it makes me smile I found it hard Its hard to find Oh well, whatever, nevermind hello (x 16) With the lights out it's less dangerous Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious Here we are now Entertain us A mulatto An albino A mosquito My Libido Yea -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: Re: Well, shit... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 11:50:57 -0500 is that the current one? Digging up back issues of Rolling Stone makes me sick... BBBBBlllllaaaaargHHh!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: Skan Yird To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 10:52:53 MDT On Fri Oct 4 1991 11:29am, Eric Avera (avera@ASTROSUN.TN.CORNELL.EDU) wrote: > Subject: "Skan Yird" > > Top Five Grunge o' the week (as given by Billboard magazine) ;) >(3) Killdozer _Twelve-Point Buck_/_Little Baby Buntin'_ (a kinda permanent fix- > ture) yeah this is killer! The song cotton balls is really gross if you listen to it! > (4) Scratch Acid _Berserker_ all scratch A kiks ass! > (5) VA _Dope, Guns, and Fucking in the Streets, Vol. 1-3_ super compilation! I need to play it more though... > Top Five Grunge-if-Exby-Wants-'Em-to-Be: > (1) Godflesh _Streetcleaner_ ('n' _Slavestate_, too) > (2) Autopsia _Death is the Mother of Beauty_ > (3) Ride _Nowhere_ > (4) Head of David _CD_ > (5) Zeni Geva _Maximum Money Monster_ hm - I own 1,4,5 here and love them all very much! New HeadOfDavid is out Oct22 - cant remember the title though. hope its better than dustbowl. I wouldnt call 1,4,5 grunge but who cares? its still cool muzic! :-) talk about everything is my motto! didja know I used to do tom jones impersonations when I was 5 he was my first grunge hero! ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: Smells Like Teen Spirit lyrics To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 10:55:12 MDT On Fri Oct 4 11:40am, GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE (JJT7927@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU) wrote: > Subject: "Smells Like Teen Spirit lyrics" > Hey Grungers, > > How does this sound for Smells. > Bitch of a time trying to figure out some parts. Any changes would be very > welcome and encouraged. > I'm gonna try to decipher a few more later today too. damn boy! You gotta - I say - you gotta ear for them words! they all sound VERY close to me - will mosh to Smells later and see if all the words fit... didja know: Godflesh releases on earache begin in their catalog with: MOSH. oooh. ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: words words To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 10:07:14 PDT > > wow - listening to TeenSpirit while driving through the > snow to work! jammin - people must think we're all > on drugs. > Ya, I was too, no snow though. Just as I had feare , I got a speeding ticket this morning. It wasn't exactly TeenSpirit then, but it was that tape. There goes my clean record. Don't worry folks, I goin to court, and I gots my defense allll figured out. If the judge is a Nirvana fan I shouldn't have a problem! Wish me luck! john haas@intermec -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Tucker Subject: faves To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 14:10:17 EDT grunge Raw Power Flip Your Wig- most of my friends called this a sellout psychocandy adolescents nongrunge GP Gram Parsons Grievous Angel Gram Parsons Sleepless Night Flying Burrito Bros Gilded Palace of Sin Fyling BB Burrito Deluxe Flying BB Sweetheart of the Rodeo Byrds enough already -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat Padua" Subject: faves To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 14:48:01 EDT Hey, with your grunge/Gram Parsons dichotomy going, you might like - or love - the Mekons. They started out as anarchic sloppy punks and then in the mid-80's went to anarchic roots-rock. They covered Sin City and $1000 Wedding. I recommend Fear and Whiskey (on CD called "original sin") to start with. Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: The good ole' days To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 15:04:31 EDT Grunge-grocers, I'm interested in Rob's as yet unanswered question, "Who crowd-floated/stage- dove before Jim Morrisson?" (Are there really supposed to be that many s's in there?) Can't have begun much before his time, I imagine. (Can you see it at a Beatles concert? Or Elvis? Billi Holliday? Duke Ellington? :) ) And if you accept the premise that "Grunge" (whatever-the-hell it may be) is the logical successor to hardcore (I sense a lead-in here...), then perhaps this may not be an appropriate place to discuss what it was like in the pits of the early 80's..... I've only seen films like _Suburbia_ and _Decline of Western Civilization_ (I won't even acknowledge the existence of a Part II to this film, so don't ask) to have an idea of the flavor of West Coast insanity from this time, but I thought some of the Fogies like Ron Rader might want to grace us with some stories. ':) You know, it's *kind of* loosely connected to the stage diving discussion. And if I'm mouthing off in the wrong place again, I'll either get flamed (or worse, nuked!) or ignored. Serves me right. (I ain't exactly a young'un either, but I was frittering away my devotion to NuWaveCrap(TM) before I discovered the joys of using my soma as a projectile...) Eric (the, um, "Weenie") avera@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Re: uh huh.... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 15:14:04 EDT > Anthrax opened and they weren't as loud as the PA and you ... then... > Then PE's mikes wouldn't work for shit either. Which, for a ... then... > Finally, they apparently got it together for Primus. He knew Let me get this straight, Anthrax opened then PE played and Primus headlined? I must really be missing something. I would think the lineup would be the opposite! Not that I like Anthrax better than Primus. Oh well. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Renee Hawkins Subject: Re: Truly To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 12:21:14 -0700 >In response to John's question about Truly, they have already pretty much >broken up. The band was Hiro who was in Soundgarden a few years ago, Mark >Pickerel who used to drum for Screaming Trees, Chris Quinn, and Robert who >was in Storybook Crooks. Well, Mark moved back to Ellensberg, and the >band is no longer doing much. Mark and Hiro both quit each of their >respective previous bands because they didn't want to tour. Just thought,since he's the only one that you didn't say what he was in previously, I'd mention that Chris Quinn was in SGM,now called Sweetwater. -Renee (the Seattleite) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: Yet another Nirvana review piece To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 14:24:01 -0600 >I don't know who the Pastels are either. Could you send some enlightenment >my/our way? Comparisons to other bands is okay by me (unless, like this case, >I have no clue who anyone is). Many thanks. I don't know a lot about the Pastels. They've been around in some form or other for quite some time--since 1983, or so. They have a bunch of singles out (mostly on Creation/at least one on K), and three albums *Suck on the Pastels* (collecting most of the Creation singles), *Up for a Bit With the Pastels* (on Big-Time in the U.S. I don't know about Britain), and a third on Homestead in the U.S. whose title I forget. They are of Historical Significance in Britain, since they were one of the first of the mid-eighties British indie bands (think of just about everything on Creation (i.e. My Bloody Valentine, House of Love), Jazz Butcher, Jesus & Mary Chain, pre-dance-band Primal Scream & Soup Dragons). Accordingly, they get undeservedly slagged/ praised to the skies on a regular basis in the British press. It has been a while since I've listened to any of their stuff. My recollection is that none of it is exceptionally grungy, and that some of it isn't that great, but that when they are on, they are very very very good. Obviously, I will have to give them another listen. Recommended for anyone who ever liked any of the so-called "Paisley Underground" (Rain Parade, True West, early albums by Three O'Clock, Dream Syndicate, Green on Red), or Nirvana's "pop" songs like "About a Girl". They came out of the same Scottish scene as Jesus & Mary Chain, and there are certain points of reference. They both seem to have a taste for sixties pop and loud guitars. Unlike JaMC, the Pastels have always been determinedly non-professional, not playing very many gigs, not spending a lot of time or money recording, and generally being determinedly unpolished. Furthermore, the Pastels have always had a quiet, non-distorted, non-bombastic side which JaMC have never come close to. They share a lot of the same aesthetic as K Records/Beat Happening, and indeed, they did what I gather was their first American performance ever at the International Pop Underground Festival a month and a half ago. It was exceedingly slapdash. They didn't even try to sing in tune, and at one point they stopped a song about half the way through and did it over. It was a short set, but an intriguing one. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Top 5 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 16:58:57 EDT I was being lazy and decided to only do a top 5: GRUNGE: 1. Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger (A&M) 2. Nirvana - Nevermind (DGC) 3. Metallica - Master of Pupets (Elektra) 4. Mudhoney - Mudhoney (Sub Pop) 5. The Fluid - Roadmouth/Glue (Sub Pop) Non Grunge: 1. Hanoi Rocks - Two steps from the move (CBS) 2. Faith no nore - The Real thing (Slash/Reprise) 3. This is New Beat (compilation) 4. Meat Beat Manifesto (First lp thing, name escapes me) 5. Elton John - Anything Off the top of my head to the bottom of your mail. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Registered Propagandist and Ideologue Subject: Re: grunge? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 15:11:00 CST Top 5 current grunge: L7 "Smell the Magic" Rapeman "Two Nuns and a Packmule" Neil Young and Crazy Horse "Live Rust" "Ragged Glory" Velvet Underground "White Light/White Heat" Top 5 current clean junk: John Coltrane "A Love Supreme" New Model Army "Ghost of Cain" Leonard Cohen "Songs of Leonard Cohen" Richard Thompson "Rumor and Sigh" Boogie Down Productions "Hardcore Worldwide (live)" Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "In spite of her amputation She could dance to a rock'n'roll station It was all right" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Tucker Subject: faves To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 17:15:35 EDT let me update my previously narrow music view by adding "shoot out the lights" by richard and linda thompson and "kill em all" by metallica and "Pretty hate machine" NIN and everything sonic youth have ever put out and "singles going steady" buzzcocks and and and and and...... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Dischord "stuff". To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 15:29:38 -0600 I'm planning to mail order some things from Dischord. What should I get (besides Fugazi, Minor Threat and Nation of Ulysses--I already have them)? Specifically, tell me about Shudder to Think Jawbox Dag Nasty Grey Matter Soulside Thank you. soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Levasseur Subject: Top 5's/nevermind01.gif To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 17:54:12 -0400 As long as people are posting top 5's, i'll put in my two cents... grunge... 1. nirvana- nevermind 1. nirvana- bleach (i couldn't decide) 2. dinosaur jr- bug 3. mudhoney- bigmuff superfuzz +singles 4. screaming trees- buzz factory 5. rein sanction- broc's cabin approaching grunge (close though) 1. lemonheads- lick 2. moving targets- fall 3. descendents- all 4. pixies- surfer rosa 5. all- allroy saves 5-1/2 red hot chili peppers- blood sugar sex magik non-grunge 1. pink floyd- meddle 2. tangerine dream- underwater sunlight 3. peter gabriel- 3 4. led zeppelin- 3 (not overplayed as often) 5. ice-t: og original gangster ABOUT nevermind01.gif: if you can't deal with the uudecode stuff, i made the gif accessable via ftp. 1) just log into cs.bu.edu as anonymous. 2) 'cd' the directory pub/ronbo 3) type 'binary' to put ftp in binary mode (to be safe) 3) 'get' the file nevermind01.gif 4) enjoy! i wish i had a scanner... anyway, just bought two cd's yesterday. melvins- bullhead moving targets- fall the melvins IS sludge. slow, molten, bubbling grunge which seeps in through the holes in your head. i'll have to listen to it over and over again.... the moving targets new album is much nicer than the melvins. it's more like other boston-based underground bands-- they're on taang! i listened to it a couple of times but had to stop because the cd skips like crazy towards the end. i'll have to return it today. that's what i get for buying cheapo used discs. they are a lot like dinosaur jr, the lemonheads, and superchunk rolled up into one. yet, they have a sound of their own which i can really get into. i think this is their third album. you can get their first two on one cd put out by taang! i know one of the albums is called brave noise, and is also awesome. i'll post reviews of moving targets when i get a copy that is more stable. NIRVANA lyrics: the idea of transcribing nirvana lyrics is good by me. the lyrics for smells like teen spirit that joe@rit posted are pretty much what i got, but my transcription differs in places. i'll get my version in soon. i also figured out that the wavey liner notes in the nevermind album is just bits and pieces of the lyrics on the album. there are a lot of good hints in there. good luck all...keep 'em coming. LEMONHEADS (boston- tt the bears) tonight (friday) at tt's, the lemonheads are putting on a show, featuring juliana of the blake babies. i'm going-- juliana has great beauty.... ronnnnnnnnnnnnnnbo | internet: ronbo@bigbird.bu.edu | v 'c' is for 'cookie', and that's good enough for me. -cookie monster -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Registered Propagandist and Ideologue Subject: Re: my definition... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 15:56:52 CST LEXICON OF GRUNGE 2.0 What is grunge? First of all, grunge is a state of mind where energy is more important than talent. Grunge is music where perfect production is not only unwarrented, it is impossible. Grunge is always better live than on tape and always better with friends. Forget the above. GRUNGE IS WHATEVER YOU SAY IT IS, AND IF ANYONE SAYS DIFFERENTLY, TELL THEM TO GO HOME. Some people, however, are generally believed to be grunge by many people. >From Rob. * All bands signed to SubPop or Amphetimine Reptile are automatically grunge, except for those who aren't grungy. Same goes for most of the bands on SST, Touch & Go, Matador, Twin Tone, Blast First, Pop Llama, Glitterhouse, and many others. If it was produced by Jack Endino, it's inarguably grunge. If Jack even so much as likes it, it's grunge. Period. * The New Kids on the Block and the Osmonds are the anti-christs of grunge. * Bands that most people would think are grunge: L7, Dinosaur Jr., Mudhoney, The Melvins, The Thrown Ups, Fluid, Swallow, The Dwarves, Tad, Surgery, Afghan Whigs, Big Chief, Nirvana, Killdozer, Urge Overkill, Helmet, Screaming Trees, Green River, Babes in Toyland, Blood Circus, Pussy Galore, Halo of Flies, Les Thugs, Teenage Fanclub, The Fastbacks, Soundgarden, etc. You should buy all of the albums by all of these bands right now. * Bands I would consider grunge but many wouldn't: Sonic Youth, The Cure (at rare times), S&TB (at times), Kate Bush (just kidding), Metallica (seriously), The Jesus & Mary Chain, Pixies, Big Black, Das Damen, Husker Du, Meat Puppets, Jane's Addiction, Skinny Puppy, Black Sabbath, Corrosion of Conformity, Suicidal Tendencies (first LP only), some Mountain, The Sex Pistols, The Misfits, etc. * Bands that were grungy but lost their balls: The Replacements, Soul Asylum, Suicidal Tendencies, and too many others. DAVE'S ENTRY INTO THIS LIST: Jefferson Airplane's "Somebody to Love" is grunge, even though it was defined as Acid Rock once, by someone who was wearing love beads at the time. Many people think that Led Zep is the father of Grunge. Wrong. Led Zep is the father of Haircut metal. Black Sabbath is the father of Grunge. Since two generally accepted componants of grunge are volume and power, both Public Enemy and Miles Davis have been discussed as grungy. Although independant record companies are often primary places for grunge music, Neil Young has been on major labels longer than I've been alive. Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "BASS! How low can you go? Death Row!" It's what a brother knows" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: T&G discography To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 17:57:30 EDT Well, my fingers have gotten a fine workout, and the previously mentioned Touch & Go discography beta release is ready to roll. I intend to give Eric a copy to fill in many blanks, so if you're interested and/or think you can help, mail me and I'll mail y'all a copy. Info gets credit, as always. I have none of their limited edition stuff, since they sell it in-store only (and I'm exclusively mail order) so the poop on those releases would be priceless. I'm collecting top fives, maybe I can whip up some sort of heineous charter or something. At least something for the new folks. Jon - can the listserve automagically dump that to new subscribers? Lemme know. Burp. Brattpt. Ah. Rob -- I will not... shit, does it matter anyway? -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Dischord "stuff". To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 18:08:38 EDT Ms. Jacksoren asks: >I'm planning to mail order some things from Dischord. What should I >get (besides Fugazi, Minor Threat and Nation of Ulysses--I already >have them)? Well, there's the new Fugazi if you don't have it. I don't yet, but I'll be getting it soon, I hope. Heard much good things, of course. >Shudder to Think Much more melodic than I expected. Not quite in the DC vein. It's not amazing or really angry, but it's pretty good. Nice vocals, some harmony. Almost "pretty" at moments. I like. >Jawbox This seemed just alright as well, but it's grown on me greatly. Starts off on the wrong foot, but by about half way through the disc it's really rocking along at a nice pace. I like it. Simple rock, three piece style. >Grey Matter Wasn't too impressed, more DC hardcore, but the later-year singles at the end of the disc were pretty decent. Too bad they broke up, maybe. Ain't worth it, methinks. >Soulside This was pretty good, not as good as Shudder To Think, definite major Fugazi influenced hardcore, DC style stuff, not thrashy or anything. Some melody and all. Actually, none of them were amazing, like "oh my god" but they're all worth keeping. I'd get the Jawbox first and foremost. Actually, I got them all on disc. At $10 a pop for just about everything each of these bands has put out, it's quite the bargain. I'd skip the Grey Matter though. I could put together a dub for you as well, if you like. Rob -- I will not wreck other's living rooms (too often). -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: The good ole' days To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 17:33:08 EST Eric-the-Weenie, follower of grunge and comix, suggests: > what it was like in the pits of the early 80's..... > some of the Fogies like Ron Rader might want to grace us with some stories Jeez, ya talk the 'mean old man' routine a couple of times and yer branded for life. Actually, I'm positive I've graced your terminals with my lurid Henry Rollins/Black Flag story at least once. Maybe that was on the punk-list. Well, tell me if you're curious, or want me to shut the hell up. I don't remember a whole lot of stage diving and crowd floating in the early '80s. It was all called "slamming" then (a term I still use). People actually pogoed at one time (I'll admit to it). Big circling mosh frenzies were all the rage (BTW the first time I heard the word "mosh" it was spoken by a friend of mine in college from NYC, if that helps). I suppose a random dive was taken here and there, but I wasn't paying attention. I was at one show where everyone decided that "gobbing" would be fun, so I ducked out quick! I think it was a Detox show in L.A., but don't quote me. Those of you who've seen Decline Of Western Civ know about gobbing, since Fear was getting pelted with big gobs of spit. They spit back, bleah! You GG Allin fans might like this sort of thing. I saw lots more diving and floating here in NC around 84-86. Yours truly participated from time to time, but nothing like the monster athletic achieve- ments you see now. Assholes existed then too, I got a boot to the head more than once. Enough for now, it's Friday and I can't stand this workstation any longer. Ron "Grungy Old Sod" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Renee Hawkins Subject: Dischord stuff To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 17:46:33 -0700 Soren, Do you have the State of the Union compilation? It has lots of bands like, : Shudder to Think Christ on a Crutch Soulside Fugazi Kingface and a bunch more. -Renee H. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: T&G List To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 09:22:51 EDT Rob- Keep in mind that T&G has been putting out records since 1981 or so, including a good number of 7" HC vinyl! I'm not sure if you would want to include the old T&G fanzine that Tesco used to publish; there're 33 issues or so Volker -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Dischord To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 09:44:12 EDT Soren- Do check out Grey Matter's "Food for Thought", a 1985 release that was recently reissued by Dischord. A fine record in my book, if you like melodic-yet-with-an-edge type stuff. Volker -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat Padua" Subject: the grunge of my life To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 09:51:44 EDT Bending the definition of grunge, if I may - though grunge by definition should not be a stone-enclosed genre - here is a list of what I like to listen to real real loud - what makes me want to bust my head and pop a beer. 1. Hasil Adkins - "We got a date" The Haze's masterpiece, two-and-one-half minutes of an impossibly untuned yet undeniably rhythmic guitar backing up the most horrible dazed mass murderer voice ever singing - no, grunting progressively into cannabalistic orgiastic screams - about picking up his date about half past eight to cut her head off so don't be late. I paraphrase. 2. Flipper - "Sex bomb" A grunge disco classic. 3. Too Much Joy - Son of Sam I am. Not really grunge, I guess, but not REM weenie like their new one. It really sounds great when you're pissed off at the world and feel like beating up someone but end up feeling sensitive and all. Besides, the guy can't really sing - isnt't that grungy? 4. George Jones - "Yabba dabba doo(and so are you)" "Last night i broke the seal on a Jim Beam decanter that looks like Elvis I soaked the label off a Flinstone jelly bean jar I set myself a place on that one little table that you left us I pulled the head off Elvis filled Fred up to his pelvis Yabba Dabba Doo The King is gone and so are you." 5. The Mekons - Ouevre. Though, if I have to choose: Fear and Whiskey, Rock'n'Roll, and "The Curse" from the new record. Throw some PE and Funkadelic and Miles Davis in there, too, when I'm feeling the grit of urban existence. Non-grunge faves: 1. Big Star - #1 Record/Radio City 2. Scritti Politti - Cupid and Psyche '85 3. Frank Sinatra - In the wee small hours (actually, this is a good one to get drunk and bash your head to.) 4. The Velvet Underground (the third album, the lyrical one) 5. Thelonious Monk - Pure Monk (piano solos.) Etc... Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: mekons To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 11:00:04 EDT all- Did somebody mention the Mekons? I understand that most of the material from their long-out-of-print (and excellent!) 1st LP ("The Quality of Mercy...") is now available on CD; this is still my least favorite format, but this stuff is worth getting! Give "Rosanne" a listen... Volker -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: faves To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 11:12:08 EDT OK>For what it's worth, here're some lists (no particular order) *Current Grunge Faves* Cows-Peacetika Superchunk LP & 45s Gas Huffer LP Flipper "Some Day" 7" (OK, it's not w/ Will, but still...) Mudhoney "Every Good Boy.." *All-Timers* Big Black-Atomizer Flipper- Generic Album Scratch Acid - any Mudhoney-Superfuzz Bigmuff Halo of Flies "Headburn"12" *Live Grunge* Mudhoney Breadwinner Cows Thrown-Ups Vertigo *Non-Grunge* Sister Double Happiness Jungle Brothers Mr. T Experience Fastbacks Thelonious Monk This list is sort of impromptu and I've probably left out some crucial s stuff, but oh well... Volker -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Monkeywrench To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 11:47:49 EDT Attenzione! Keep your eyes peeled for the Monkeywrench album, which I understand SUB POOP will release soon. People who saw their few shows in Seattle spoke pretty highly of them. They're sort of a Blind Faith of the 90s - Mark and Steve of Budmoney, Tom P. of Gas Huffer/U-Men/Kings of Rock, Tim Kerr of the Big Boys/Poison13 & someone of Lubricated Goat. And maybe someone else, I don't really remember... Knock on Wood for Vinyl!! Volker -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Love & Respect To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 12:42:35 EDT Since someone asked, a few words on Seattle combo Love & Respect. They were briefly in existence (Spring-Fall 1989) and played a few underattended and -appreciated shows. The band was sort of a goofing-off venture for those who were in more serious bands (Mudhoney, Big Tube Squeezer) and a serious band for those who were in goofing-off ventures(Thrown-Ups). They disbanded primarily because everyone moved to a different part of the country. They did, however record enough material to produce a 6-song 7" in 1989 entitled "Deep and Heartfelt," as well as some material (lost for 1 1/2 years but found recently in Jack Endino's house) for the recently released "Love & Respect Record." Both are on Penultimate Records (my humble business venture), and the LP is available from several distributors. Bug your record store, or contact me here with your addres and I can send s and I can send you some info via email. Is this ehtical? Marketing on the list? Please chastise if it's not, whoeveris responsible... Cheers, Volker (RADAVFS@UBE.UB.UMD.EDU) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Cluff Subject: Re: Dischord "stuff". To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 14:17:00 EDT soren writes: >I'm planning to mail order some things from Dischord. What should I >get (besides Fugazi, Minor Threat and Nation of Ulysses--I already >have them)? If you like Fugazi, you stand a serious chance of liking Rites of Spring, as Guy Picciotto is/was in both. RoS is more melodic, less funky, but very intense. I'd get their album (which I hear is coming out on CD) if you're interested. Mike Cluff -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Looking for some information... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 16:07:40 EDT Hi Grungefolk, I try to be a happy-go-lucky grungefellow, buying merrily without thought, but I ain't rich enough to live that kind of lifestyle. I also try to help y'all out when you ask questions, so here's a chance for y'all to return the favor. I'm going to send an order in to Touch & Go sometime real soon now, and I was wondering if you can review, give details, give thumbs up or down, and generally describe the following maybe-purchases: Flour - "Flour" LP, "LUV 713" LP, "Machinery" LP Virgin Prunes - "Our Love Will Last" EP, and "Don't Look Back" EP (woj?) Slint - "Spiderland" LP Silverfish - "Fat Axl" LP (I have and wasn't too impressed by _Cockeye_) Negative Approach "Tied Down" LP (I think Steve Shelley loves these folx) Pegboy and anything on the 1/4 Stick sublabel. A description of their sound and comparisons to other bands would be much better than just "yes/no, thumbs up/down". I am going to order the new Die Kreuzen single and LP in case you're wondering, and maybe Killdozer's _Twelve Point Buck_ depending on my mood. Hep me, hep me, Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not do that thing with my tongue. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re:looking for info... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 16:43:37 EDT Vaughn-Rob: Well, I bought Flour-"Flour" a year or two ago, listened to it once or twice, and filed it. It's been collecting dust. Maybe I should listen to it again, but I think its "un-memorability" is telling. Negative Approach is, of course John (Laughing Hyenas) 's first project and it is really great if you like 82-83 era HC with growling vocals. (I do). The others I'll have to pass on... Cheers, Volker -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Murtaugh Subject: old fart's faves To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 16:00:11 CDT I'm new to this stuff, but, with help from many of you, I've been trying to educate myself by spending money as fast as possible. Here's where I am in my musical development (I can't/won't separate into grunge and non-grunge). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "RECENT" STUFF THAT I REALLY LIKE: Guadalcanal Diary, 2x4 but their last one was a bummer Bob Mould sorry, I like this better than Husker Du Black Sheets of Rain Nirvana, Nevermind haven't heard Bleach yet The Pixies, Doolittle worth it for Wave of Mutilation Ride, Nowhere hey, I know it's 1991 Sidewinders I can't believe they're not famous Auntie Ramos' Pool Hall The Stone Roses, T.S.R. happy-time music ------------------------------------------------------------------------ FOSSILIZED STUFF THAT I REALLY LIKE: Jeff Beck, Truth inspired heaviness, finally out on cd The Jimi Hendrix Experience father of grunge Axis: Bold as Love Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin don't much like their later stuff Thunderclap Newman one of two people in the universe who own Hollywood Dream this album. cd has some extra trash. Neil Young ok, it's soft and sing-songy, but you After the Gold Rush gotta like it ------------------------------------------------------------------------ FAVORITE ALBUM OF ALL TIME: Beatles yeah, I'm old, so shoot me Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -Paul "It's not the temperature, it's the WIND CHILL." -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: Looking for some information... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 16:15:17 MDT On Sat Oct 5 1991 4:07pm, Rob Vaughn (rob@SNOOPY.MSC.CORNELL.EDU) wrote: > Subject: "Looking for some information..." > > I'm going to send an order in to Touch & Go sometime real soon now, and I was > wondering if you can review, give details, give thumbs up or down, and > generally describe the following maybe-purchases: > > Flour - "Flour" LP, "LUV 713" LP, "Machinery" LP I dont like Flour - oh, the geetars are OK, but get extremely boring over the course of an entire cd - i dont think any of their stuff is interesting or different enough to warrant a massive purchase. proceed with caution. > Slint - "Spiderland" LP see above. kinda boring again. I mean I think albini got to both these bands and they are copycatish in many ways and are like albini-wanna-bes. again extreme caution. > and maybe Killdozer's _Twelve Point Buck_ depending on my mood. now this is a MUST! get it on CD though because the *real* highlight is "lil baby buntin" LP which is included. spend the $ here. ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: irc To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 16:18:17 MDT well if anyone out there is on internet-unix boxes and has the IRC command let me know. when I dialin I've got a +nmlist channel setup for indutrial, noiz mainly but if grungers wanna hop on and chat about things go ahead. prob is the channel disappears when I logout (if no one else is on) and I cant tie up my fone line all day...(sigh) ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Russ Poldrack Subject: Re: Dischord "stuff". To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 17:49:43 CDT > > I'm planning to mail order some things from Dischord. What should I > get (besides Fugazi, Minor Threat and Nation of Ulysses--I already > have them)? > > Specifically, tell me about > > Shudder to Think This is probably the "prettiest" band on Dischord. I think Ten Spot is a better record than Funeral at the Movies (though if you buy the CD you get both in one, what a deal!). Their vocals are very harmonic and rather high-pitched, sometimes with fairly cheesy little breaks, like the "Doo de doo doo de doo" thing in Crosstown Traffic. I'd get it, but it's certainly not at all as "grungy" as other DC stuff. > Jawbox Their disk is really great, worth it for the two versions of "Tools & Chrome" alone. Pretty straightforward guitary stuff, but some of it is a bit slower. Friends of mine were disappointed with the disk after seeing them live, but I still think it's one of the best DC things in a while. > Dag Nasty You gotta get the Dag Nasty disk, if only to lament how far into the shithole of music Brian Baker has traveled (he's in Junkyard now). The first album, Can I Say, is one of the best old DC hardcore albums ever. The vocals on this album are a lot more powerful than on Wig Out at Denko's, which had Pete Cortner on vocals. But the second album has a couple songs that really rock (Godfather, Wig Out) and is definitely worth having. > Grey Matter Powerful stuff, really emotional. Food For Thought is a lot rawer than the other one (s/t I think). > Soulside There's some decent songs here, but in general I think they are faily forgettable. Speaking of DC stuff, you should get Rites of Spring if you don't have it. I think it might be my favorite Dischord album ever, with really emotional and rocking songs. Does anyone know if this has come out on CD yet? I haven't heard their later EP, but I hear it's not as good as the album. Russ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dougo%SODA.BERKELEY.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: New fart's faves (was Re: old fart's faves) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 17:32:27 -0700 My comments on Mr. Murtaugh's list: > Bob Mould sorry, I like this better than Husker Du > Black Sheets of Rain Me too! But I like HD a real lot too... > The Stone Roses, T.S.R. happy-time music Happy-time? I dunno, maybe "Bye Bye Badman", but what about "I Wanna Be Adored" and "Shoot You Down"? I just think this album is pure brilliance, not shiny-happy-time. > Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin don't much like their later stuff I love all Led Zep, but _Coda_ is by far my favorite. This is all the good stuff that was ahead of its time so didn't make it on any album, nor is it overplayed on the radio. "Wearin' and Tearin'" is definitely one of my favorite songs of all time. Just imagine what punk/hardcore-era LedZep would have sounded like... Anyway, some more of my favorites recorded for posterity: Everybody agrees these are grunge: Soundgarden: Louder than Love Sonic Youth: Goo Neil Young: Ragged Glory hmm, I guess I just don't own much "true grunge" yet... Some people may think these are grunge: Sex Pistols: Never Mind the Bollocks Love and Rockets: "Express" Lush: Gala The Cure: Disintegration (Rob V. says they're grunge, so they must be!) Metallica: Ride the Lightning King's X: Faith Hope Love Black Sabbath: Sabbath Bloody Sabbath Nine Inch Nails: Pretty Hate Machine Suicidal Tendencies: Suicidal Tendencies Def Leppard: On Through the Night Iron Maiden: Powerslave Judas Priest: Hero Hero Jethro Tull: Aqualung "Snot is running down his nose Greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes" sound grungy to me! The Smiths: Meat is Murder AC/DC: Back in Black The B-52's: Wild Planet Van Halen: Van Halen The Cult: Love Jane's Addiction: Ritual de lo Habitual Not really even close to grunge: Rush: Signals Yes: Close to the Edge Genesis: Selling England by the Pound Pink Floyd: Wish You Were Here The Charlatans UK: Some Friendly The Police: Regatta de Blanc Okay, there's my short list of favorite albums. (Sorry if it sounds like a CBS record club brochure...) If you want the long list, well email me and I'll think about it. --Your friendly neighborhood DougO -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Registered Propagandist and Ideologue Subject: New fart's faves (was Re: old fart's faves) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 21:49:08 CST IGNORE THE LAST ONE. MY DEL AND MY SEND BUTTON ARE NEXT TO EACH OTHER. From: dougo@SODA.BERKELEY.EDU Subject: New fart's faves (was Re: old fart's faves) >My comments on Mr. Murtaugh's list: > > Bob Mould sorry, I like this better than Husker Du > > Black Sheets of Rain >Me too! But I like HD a real lot too... Well, what little I have heard of HD leaves me unimpressed (A video of "Makes no sense at all/Mary Tyler Moore Theme") but there is enough around and enough interest to make me wonder. What I have heard and read of Bob Mould makes me impressed, but monetary problems keep me analog and unMouldy. I *DO* like that Grant Hart album, tho. Funny thing, it was my *MOM* who told me it means "Do you remember" > > The Stone Roses, T.S.R. happy-time music >Happy-time? I dunno, maybe "Bye Bye Badman", but what about "I Wanna Be >Adored" and "Shoot You Down"? I just think this album is pure brilliance, >not shiny-happy-time. For that, I Wanna Be Adored and Fool's Gold (even though it is dance music) are the only two songs on that album that are good. They are worth the price of admission, tho. > > Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin don't much like their later stuff >I love all Led Zep, but _Coda_ is by far my favorite. This is all the good >stuff that was ahead of its time so didn't make it on any album,nor is >it overplayed on the radio. "Wearin' and Tearin'" is definitely one of my >favorite songs of all time. Just imagine what punk/hardcore-era LedZep >would have sounded like... Well, I have given up on getting into Led Zeppelin, thinking that listening to living bands is a much better use of my limited music money. I do like "Hey, Hey, what can I do" >Anyway, some more of my favorites recorded for posterity: > >Everybody agrees these are grunge: >#Soundgarden: Louder than Love >#Sonic Youth: Goo >#Neil Young: Ragged Glory > hmm, I guess I just don't own much "true grunge" yet... Add a dub of Songs About Fucking, a copy of Two Nuns and A Pack Mule, remove the Soundgarden, and add more Young, L7, and a Sub-Pop Comp, amd that's all I got. >Some people may think these are grunge: >#Nine Inch Nails: Pretty Hate Machine >#Suicidal Tendencies: Suicidal Tendencies These two, I can agree with. Computers CAN be made grungy, and wanting a Pepsi is, I think, a common link between Tad Doyle and Mike Muir. The only one I can think of, actually. >#Def Leppard: On Through the Night >#Iron Maiden: Powerslave >#Judas Priest: Hero Hero ????????????????????????? I can understand, say, "Me and My Wine" or "Running Free", but On Through the Night and Powerslave? You need to get drunk more. >#Jethro Tull: Aqualung #"Snot is running down his nose >#### Greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes" >###sound grungy to me! "And the train it won't stop rolling but it could slow down." B) >#The Smiths: Meat is Murder "The Queen is Dead" is a decent grunge song. _The Queen is Dead_ is by no means a grunge album. >Not really even close to grunge: >#Rush: Signals >#The Charlatans UK: Some Friendly I feel that Rush, with Signals, did things more powerful than any technopop of that era with essentially the same equiptment, the same goals, and similar styles, I respect that. As for Charlatans, I like old Deep Purple. Nuf said. >--Your friendly neighborhood DougO Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "There are silver-tressed darlings and raven-haired delights when she gets them tied up she beats them in the night that redhead walking" -Beat Happening -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: This is emotional, it's about love of grunge, hallways slamming, To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1991 01:00:00 EST Hey Grungers, This is joe@rit. It is about 12:45 in the morning on Sunday. This is written after a fun filled night of partying at school. I figured I'd write something more meaningful than just another Nirvana review. Not that I don't like reviews, it's just that's about the only grunge album I can review right now. I just got the Soundgarden last night but I haven't had time to listen to it yet. OK just a little review of tonight and last night. Well, in the tradition of my living mosh scene I have out done myself. Last night, my best friend surprised me by showing up from Penn State. Well, we drank visited friends and drank. Him, I, and another friend came back to my place and put some music on. This was after a full night of jamming from fieldfresh. Pure jamming, no practicing this night, just jamming. Pure fun, even a 35 minute song that actually sounded cool. Anything sounds cool to me :)> Well, I put in the new Mudhoney which neither of them have heard of and we start slamming. I take the slam to the hallway of my apartment to keep the CD player from skipping. Pure fun, no thinking, just slamming, no thought, just fun and beating. By the way, never slam without shoes on :)> Well tonight, a few more friends stop by. After visiting two happy hours we jam for a bit. Then I put in the new Nirvana which again, nobody knew. We take this slamming, now about 12 people to the hallway again. At one end is a stairwell and the other is a kitchen. WEll I start jumping off the stairs and the 'crowd' carries me for about 1/4 of the song (Smells Like...). All just slamming having a ball. Pure fun. Well all this is bringing me to write this. Right now, I'm listening to all my really emotional grunge, like some TEMPLE OF THE DOG and some SCREAMING TREES and 'Broken Hands' from MUDHONEY. Great. I played this for two great friends that are here right now. Two great girls that really understand pure emotion. WEll I was sitting here thinking. GRUNGE IS GREAT. One minute, you can slam your ass and the next you can want to marry some one. GRUNGE is the heart and soul of the pure human emotion. Brings out every great emotion we have. Fuck all this ballad shit by all these Glam Rock bands. I figured this is an appropriate discussion seeing all the 'what is grunge' things floating around. I think GRUNGE has changed my life. I feel nothing can move you more than GRUNGE. GRUNGE is here, and GRUNGE IS GOD!! thank you and I'm sorry if this was boring or annoying. That's the way it is. joe@rit Home of the TLA's GIG (Grunge Is God) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dougo%SODA.BERKELEY.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: New fart's faves (was Re: old fart's faves) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 23:23:56 -0700 > Well, what little I have heard of HD leaves me unimpressed (A video > of "Makes no sense at all/Mary Tyler Moore Theme") but there is enough > around and enough interest to make me wonder. What I have heard and > read of Bob Mould makes me impressed, but monetary problems keep > me analog and unMouldy. I *DO* like that Grant Hart album, tho. What Grant Hart album? You mean Nova Mob? I've heard one song ("Andmiral of the North" or something) and was impressed, but never got around to checking out the album... Anyway, the best Husker Du buy is _Warehouse_, it's one of those 70-min. CD's where every song is good. I originally thought it was a "best of" compilation, but it was a normal studio album (their last, I think). I think it's worth it just for "Could You Be The One", but I love the other 68 minutes, too... > Funny thing, it was my *MOM* who told me it means "Do you remember" Relaly? I did not know that. (Weird wild stuff!) So what language is that? I know du means you in German, but I don't think husker means anything. I would guess it's Danish or Swedish, maybe. > > > The Stone Roses, T.S.R. happy-time music > > For that, I Wanna Be Adored and Fool's Gold (even though it is dance > music) are the only two songs on that album that are good. They are > worth the price of admission, tho. Don't you like "I am the Resurrection"? Or "Elizabeth My Dear"? "My aim is true, my message is clear It's curtains for you, Elizabeth my dear" (sung to the tune of Scarborough Fair...) > Well, I have given up on getting into Led Zeppelin, thinking that > listening to living bands is a much better use of my limited music > money. I do like "Hey, Hey, what can I do" I would again suggest _Coda_, it's a bunch of outtakes from over their history, so you get a wide variety of styles. And you can hear every other Led Zep song on the radio, anyway. > >Some people may think these are grunge: > >#Def Leppard: On Through the Night > >#Iron Maiden: Powerslave > >#Judas Priest: Hero Hero > ????????????????????????? > I can understand, say, "Me and My Wine" or "Running Free", but > On Through the Night and Powerslave? You need to get drunk more. You don't think "Wasted" is pure grunge? Or "Rime of the Ancient Mariner"? Or "Winter"? That's okay, you don't have to. But they are still my favorite albums. > I feel that Rush, with Signals, did things more powerful than any > technopop of that era with essentially the same equiptment, the > same goals, and similar styles, I respect that. Hm, I never compared it to early-eighties technopop before. I guess because of their 70's roots. (_Caress of Steel_ might be considered a grunge album...) But I guess you're right, though not many tp bands did it in 5/4 time... Bored Beyond Belief, DougOramalamadingdong P.S. Just remembered two more grunge-type things in my "favorites" collection: Danzig:Danzig and Montrose:Montrose. "You're rock candy, baby Hot, sweet, and sticky!" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Orleans Subject: Da Brudders Ramone To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 23:29:22 -0700 One more thing: I was browsing Rasputin's the other day (no money, but they were playing _Nevermind_ over the loudspeakers) and saw a CD entitled _Gabba Gabba Hey_. It was a collection of (what else?) Ramones covers. Anybody have this? Is it worth getting? "I just wanna have something to do" -- DougOMatic Hey look! time for SNL. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Murtaugh Subject: swans To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1991 09:36:22 CDT Just bought a used copy of the Swans' White Light from the Mouth of Infinity, and it makes me want to hang myself. But it's 69+ minutes long !! -Paul "If it's not one thing, it's another." -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: swans To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1991 14:12:39 EDT If you really (I mean really!) want to get bummed, try "COP" or "RAPING A SLAVE" by those same Swans (ca.1985-6 era) Volker -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Registered Propagandist and Ideologue Subject: Re: New fart's faves (was Re: old fart's faves) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1991 20:46:34 CST From: dougo@SODA.BERKELEY.EDU Subject: Re: New fart's faves (was Re: old fart's faves) >> Well, what little I have heard of HD leaves me unimpressed (A video >> of "Makes no sense at all/Mary Tyler Moore Theme") but there is enough >> around and enough interest to make me wonder. What I have heard and >> read of Bob Mould makes me impressed, but monetary problems keep >> me analog and unMouldy. I *DO* like that Grant Hart album, tho. >What Grant Hart album? You mean Nova Mob? I've heard one song ("Andmiral >of the North" or something) and was impressed, but never got around to >checking out the album... No, it was an SST release w/ "2541" done electric. I have a dub of "2541" and it kicks acoustic ass, and the electric version is as good. As soon as I remember, I'll do a computer search of my music collection to find the title. B) >Anyway, the best Husker Du buy is _Warehouse_,it's one of those 70-min. >CD's where every song is good. I originally thought it was a "best of" >compilation, but it was a normal studio album (their last, I think). I >think it's worth it just for "Could You Be The One",but I love the other 68 >minutes, too... It may be worth a try. > > Funny thing, it was my *MOM* who told me it means "Do you remember" >Relaly? I did not know that. (Weird wild stuff!) So what language is >that? I know du means you in German, but I don't think husker means >anything. I would guess it's Danish or Swedish, maybe. Mom is Danish, but later, I heard it was Norge or something. All Scandahoovian languages sound alike B) > > > > The Stone Roses, T.S.R. happy-time music > > > > For that,I Wanna Be Adored and Fool's Gold (even though it is dance > > music) are the only two songs on that album that are good. They are > > worth the price of admission, tho. >Don't you like "I am the Resurrection"? Or "Elizabeth My Dear"? >"My aim is true, my message is clear > It's curtains for you, Elizabeth my dear" >(sung to the tune of Scarborough Fair...) "I am the Resurrection", just like VU's "Jesus", is sure to piss off bible-bangers, but it doesn't have the UMPH that I like in a song. As for Scarborough Fair/Elizabeth My Dear, that was old in the 17th century. > > >Some people may think these are grunge: > > >#Def Leppard: On Through the Night > > >#Iron Maiden: Powerslave > > >#Judas Priest: Hero Hero > > ????????????????????????? > > I can understand, say, "Me and My Wine" or "Running Free", but > > On Through the Night and Powerslave? You need to get drunk more. >You don't think "Wasted" is pure grunge? Or "Rime of the Ancient Mariner"? >Or "Winter"? That's okay, you don't have to. But they are still my >favorite albums. I don't particularly, but I will not flip the *WHINE-BITCH-MOAN* switch if anyone wants to talk about them. Like I said in my proposal for the Definition of Grunge (tm), if anyone wants to tell you what grunge is and what it ain't tell 'em to get out the house. > > I feel that Rush, with Signals, did things more powerful than any > > technopop of that era with essentially the same equiptment, the > > same goals, and similar styles, I respect that. >Hm, I never compared it to early-eighties technopop before. I guess because >of their 70's roots. (_Caress of Steel_ might be considered a grunge >album...) But I guess you're right, though not many tp bands did it in5/4 >time... Glad to provide insight. >Bored Beyond Belief, >DougOramalamadingdong Me too. >P.S. Just remembered two more grunge-type things in my "favorites" collection: >Danzig:Danzig and Montrose:Montrose. Just love that "Self-titled" thing, don't you? As for Danzig, it is hard and grungy, but "Mother" (the only song off _Danzig_ that I regularly played) has nothing on, for example "20 Eyes". >"You're rock candy, baby > Hot, sweet, and sticky!" Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "20 eyes in my brain and they're all diseased!" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: House #1 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 12:10:29 +0200 Nevermind by Nirvana is available in Finland on vinyl. I got it for about $11 which isn't alot for an lp in Finland... -t PS. The rec is quite lame IMO (only two listenings so far)... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: House #1 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 12:12:46 +0200 Skin Yard is (at least was) on Cruz recs. -t -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: Top 5 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 12:22:00 +0200 Non Grunge: 1. Hanoi Rocks - Two steps from the move (CBS) ---Just curious: how many of you know where were Hanoi Rocks from? No big deal, tho, t -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: The good ole' days To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 12:27:32 +0200 Could somebody get me a (good/exellent) copy of the Decline of the Western Civilazation??? -t -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: Dischord "stuff". To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 12:31:25 +0200 I'd get the Soulside CD 'Sooner Come Happy'. It has all of the material they released on Dischord (two lps + a 7") and IMHO is *very good*. -t -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Poison 13 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 12:32:57 +0200 Could somebody gimmie a complete discography of Poison 13? -t -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Finnish grunge To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 12:35:12 +0200 All you open-minded grungsters! You should get some Finnish stuff like anything by 'Electric Blue Peggy Sue And The Revolutionions From Mars' (like the name?), Dead Allison, Sweetheart, Radiopuhelimet etc. Lemme know if ya want more info, ok? -t -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: House #1 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 08:33:35 EDT t sez: >Skin Yard is (at least was) on Cruz recs. There has been some confusion on this point, I think, but Eric and I cleared ours up this weekend with some catalog hunting. Skin Yard was originally on C/Z Records out of Seattle, but _Fist-Sized Chunks_ was released on both C/Z and Cruz (I have both current catalogs, C/Z's newest t-shirt is a riot, and I have the "Bruce Pavitt Gave Me Head" one already). Their newest album is only on Cruz, which is just the SST folks under a different name. Sound peachy? And to think that I've never even heard their music... Rob -- Pipe bombs are not toys. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: T&G List To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 09:19:04 EDT Touch & Grunge folks, >Keep in mind that T&G has been putting out records since 1981 or so, Yup, they celebrated their 10th anniversary this year, and were going to release a double compilation CD with a song from every band they've ever handled, but it hasn't seen the light of day yet, to my knowledge. I've been buying T&G stuff since early 1984. >including a good number of 7" HC vinyl! I'm not sure if you would want >to include the old T&G fanzine that Tesco used to publish; there're 33 issues >or so Right now I'm still working on the basic format and information, so it will basically be just a catalog. Once that's done, I plan to flush things out with lots of information, including all the 7" HC stuff and fanzines and anything else I can find out about them. Everyone should feel free to send me email if they have something to contribute. Credit will be given. Thanks. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not grease the monkey bars. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Murtaugh Subject: Re: House #1 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 08:21:28 CDT > Nevermind by Nirvana is available in Finland on vinyl. I got it for about $11 > which isn't alot for an lp in Finland... > -t > PS. The rec is quite lame IMO (only two listenings so far)... proof positive that cd's are better than vinyl !! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth Ann Schaefer Subject: Kitty Empire To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 08:57:03 CDT > > I'm really surprised SubRob doesn't own any Skin Yard, considering how he never > shuts up about Jack Endino. (I like to try to goad him into buying anything > and everything. Heh.) _Fist Sized Chunks_ is on Cruz, not the Ladd-Frith (?) > label C/Z. > > But about Skin Yard.....I remember a mini-LP type release that was at ktru > (Houston) with a bare-chested woman drawing a nocked bow on the cover. I > remember really liking this a lot. Is this still available? What's it called? > > (Pssst. Mason just mentioned the new Scratch Acid disc over on nm-list. Maybe > we're penetrating with the grunge thing after all. 8-{} ) > > Top Five Grunge o' the week (as given by Billboard magazine) ;) > (1) Nirvana _Nevermind_ > (2) Mudhoney _Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge_ > (3) Killdozer _Twelve-Point Buck_/_Little Baby Buntin'_ (a kinda permanent fix- > ture) > (4) Scratch Acid _Berserker_ > (5) VA _Dope, Guns, and Fucking in the Streets, Vol. 1-3_ > > Top Five Grunge-if-Exby-Wants-'Em-to-Be: > (1) Godflesh _Streetcleaner_ ('n' _Slavestate_, too) > (2) Autopsia _Death is the Mother of Beauty_ > (3) Ride _Nowhere_ > (4) Head of David _CD_ > (5) Zeni Geva _Maximum Money Monster_ > > Not that anyone really cared.....(Actually, even my non-grunge choices are > pretty grungy; what's happening to me????????) > > >>He's just finished doing some work with Jesus Lizard. > > > >This is good news. Are we talking something that may be released? > > Wasn't Beth referring to Albini's involvement with Jesus Lizard's _Goat_? > I remember hk saying something to the effect that Albini took on production > duties or somesuch. (To answer Rob's Q.) But I may be woefully underinformed.. Well the story was that Albini couldn't do some recording with some friends of mine because he had to do some recording with Jesus Lizard the weekend they were going to record. I think it was for a new single or something I'll see. That was in late September. _Beth > ...guess that's not really "recent" anymore. > > Lookin' forward to "livin'" in joe@rit(home of the t.l.a.'s)'s livin' room, > Eric > avera@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu > "I'm not enough of a geek to have (know how to create) a real .sig file." > -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: New fart's faves To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 09:59:43 EST Gotta admit, DougO has some decent tastes in tunes. Have a few notes anyway... > Some people may think these are grunge: > Black Sabbath: Sabbath Bloody Sabbath Granddaddies of grunge. Ozzy is fucking god, even if he lost his balls and started doing crap like "Rock And Roll Rebel" (bleah!). Go out RIGHT NOW and buy Sabotage if you don't already have it. Amazing stuff to blow away all the idiots who reject Sabbath as dino-cock-rock. Vol. 4 is also a Sabbath must have IMO. "So I found that life is just a game, Don't you know there's never been a winner; Try your hardest you'll still be a loser, The world will still be turning when you've gone" > Iron Maiden: Powerslave Well... I still think the first two albums with D'Anno were classic grunge metal/punk. The later Dickinson stuff is good but becomes way too formulaic and I got tired of it around Powerslave, which is when I quit buying new Iron Maiden albums. > Jethro Tull: Aqualung "Snot is running down his nose > Greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes" That Aqualung riff is classic! I wish I had a synthesizer so's I could make a full length song composed of this riff and some stoners in the back- ground smoking and commenting on it. "wow dude DA da da da DA DA, cool as shit mannnnnn...." > The Smiths: Meat is Murder I only like one Smiths tune (forget the name, it's an older one with echoed vocals). Their whiny PC meandering gets old quickly, and all sounds the same. To me anyway. > AC/DC: Back in Black > Van Halen: Van Halen High school, oh shit! Yeah, I still listen to this stuff once in a while, but I really prefer AC/DC 'cause they really don't give a hoot what you think of their 3-chord rocking metal. Bands that don't take themselves seriously earn a few brownie points in my book. Bands with big Rock Stars like Mr. Bertinelli (nee Van Halen) and Mr. Cock Rock himself (DL Roth) are nicked a few points in said book. > [other good stuff deleted] Maybe if I get the time, I'll relay my experiences at the big Record Show this weekend to you jokers... got some good stuff but not new stuff. Ron "Broke On Bootleg CDs" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Suicidals/Tad To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 10:08:52 EST > wanting a Pepsi is, I think, a common link between Tad Doyle and > Mike Muir. The only one I can think of, actually. Ho ho ho! This gets my vote for Grunge-L Quote That Should Be In Every Sig And Fortune File! Funny as hell, man. Ya know, I was listening to that first Suicidal album and remembering my high school days in L.A.. Those ST fans really did HATE hippies and Led Zep fans, mainly because ST attracted the Venice gangs from Day One. Being a big Zep Fan, I didn't get Suicidal until much later. Maybe '84 or '85? I don't know, but it's one hell of a cool album. I screwed up. Think I should felt-pen some Cycos gang shit in my baseball cap and mess with the North Carolinian heads around here? 'but the thing I liked seeing the best, was the rodents using her hair as a nest' Ron "You're Mommy's Dead" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: faves To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 11:19:04 EDT > let me update my previously narrow music view by adding "shoot out the lights" > by richard and linda thompson Does this bear ANY resemblance to the Diamond Head tune of the same title? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Here we are now, entertain us. I feel stupid and contagious... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: uh huh.... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 11:20:20 EDT > Let me get this straight, Anthrax opened then PE played and Primus headlined? > I must really be missing something. I would think the lineup would be the > opposite! Not that I like Anthrax better than Primus. Oh well. Yup. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Here we are now, entertain us. I feel stupid and contagious... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Goo Goo Dolls and Skin Yard To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 08:29:50 PDT I remember a while back there was some discussion about the first Goo Goo Dolls album. I noticed yesterday, at Tower, that the first one has been re-released and distrubuted by Caroline. Its not the original cover, but the songs are all there. It should be available just about anywhere. As for Skin Yard, I own what I believe to be all their CD, LPs: Skin Yard, Hollowed Ground, Fist Sized Chunks, and 1000 Smiling Knuckles. The first one is, I think, a compilitation of there early 7 inches and stuff. Matt Cameron of soundgarden played drums for them back then. This stuff never really did it for me. I personally like Hollowed Ground, and 'Chunks better. I havn't really listened to Knuckles too much yet. Its tough with all these releases lately. Since Nirvana is hot on the list lately, the CD-Maxi Single for ...Teen Spirit contains two unreleased tracks, for those of you who just can't get enough. (like me.) I bought it yesterday, but haven't listened to it yet. I also bought a bitchin Tascam 4 track yesterday, so now I can make my own Grunge! Anybody have the recipe?? john haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: House #1 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 11:33:50 EDT > Beth Ann Schaefer asks and mentions: > > I have a question..... Was _Nevermind_ released on vinyl at all? Has > > anyone seen it? And Robbie said: > Yup, it's available in Europe on vinyl. Saw a copy in a store in Hoboken, > along with vinyl Pixies and some others. They were all running about $16, as > collectors' items or some such thing. Too bad. I still like vinyl. At least > you can see the pictures. Um, at least some college stations are getting it. I know that WRUV (U. of V.) got it. > I have seen their stuff but never heard anything about them, so I haven't > known what to do. But if you recommend I may grab some, how's about a review? > They're on C/Z records, no? I have the three albums which I've seen them throw into the bins (well, the three CD's...). FIST SIZED CHUNKS is an absolutely phee-nom album. I LUV it. Hey, I bought Rein Sanction, at least you can buy SY, eh? I know that their first two were on C/Z, and I think the new one is too. They used to have Matt Cameron, so they've got to be good, right (not to mention what's-his-face, the guitar player :-)? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Here we are now, entertain us. I feel stupid and contagious... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Subject: My top 5 of the week.. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 11:44:19 EDT A listener posts... My top 5 grunge listenings of the week: 1. Shock Therapy, _Shock_Therapy_ (No longer available self titled EP of a great Detroit band. Re-discovered this in my tape collection) 2. Soundgarden, _Screaming_Life/Fopp_ (Waiting for BadMotorFinger!!) 3. Godflesh, _Godflesh_ 4. Fluid, _Glue_ (Goes without saying) 5. Slayer, _Seasons_in_the_Abyss_ (not grunge, but, a top-5) ja. -- Joe Ammond System Programmer, CTS, Michigan Tech. University kitbash@mtu.edu kitbash@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu "I am not a number, I am a FREE MAN!" -- Number 6, _The_Prisoner_ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat Padua" Subject: funk-list To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 11:50:59 EDT Would someone please send me the address of the funk list on internet? Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Skan Yird To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 11:51:15 EDT > _Fist Sized Chunks_ is on Cruz, not the Ladd-Frith (?) > label C/Z. I know I'm being redundant at this point, but I'm quite sure it is. In fact, I've got the disk back in my car... Ok, I'm totally wrong. It's on Cruz. But I'm SURE that their on with Cameron is on C/Z. I must have been thinking og the Kiss Cover's compilation (anyone else hear Nirvana do, "Do you Love Me?") -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Here we are now, entertain us. I feel stupid and contagious... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: the grunge of my life To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 11:53:21 EDT > 1. Hasil Adkins - "We got a date" This is one of my all-time favorite pieces of music. Abso-mother-fuckin-lutely (to quote Cliff Burton...). Where'd you get your copy? "I'll take you with my uh great big finga' YUK YUK DOOWHAP WHOOOOOO!" -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Here we are now, entertain us. I feel stupid and contagious... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: New fart's faves (was Re: old fart's faves) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 12:01:37 EDT > > Funny thing, it was my *MOM* who told me it means "Do you remember" > Relaly? I did not know that. (Weird wild stuff!) So what language is > that? I know du means you in German, but I don't think husker means > anything. I would guess it's Danish or Swedish, maybe. I'm pretty sure it's Danish. I once found an old board game called Husker Du...their version of "Concentration." Had these 2 little kids in 60's outfits on the cover. I bought it immediately. > > I feel that Rush, with Signals, did things more powerful than any > > technopop of that era with essentially the same equiptment, the > > same goals, and similar styles, I respect that. Yup. > Hm, I never compared it to early-eighties technopop before. I guess because > of their 70's roots. (_Caress of Steel_ might be considered a grunge > album...) But I guess you're right, though not many tp bands did it in 5/4 > time... Double yup. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Here we are now, entertain us. I feel stupid and contagious... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: xtra nirv To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 10:48:14 MDT well I brought up that nirvana xtra songs on cd-single: even in his youth aneurysm are two AWESOEM cuts! better than most songs on the CD-lp I think. these shoulda been put on the CD methinks. also, whassup with that "fake" 20min song at end of Nevermind. weird eh? |-) ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: What is Runge-Kutta? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 13:02:06 EDT Just kiddin'. Here's a tidbit for you logophiles/doryophores (Rob in mind): ESTRUS = "a regularly recurrent period of ovulation and sexual excitement in female mammals other than humans" (so sayeth my New Riverside University Webster's) And to think I just happened across this by chance (through the definition of the term "rutting"!). Well, "estrus" is a new one to me, anyway. (For new grunge list(less)ers and folks who've been asleep, soren'n'others have brought to our attention the Estrus Crust Club, Lunch Bucket, etc., fine purveyors of NW grunge [on the Estrus label, naturally].) Ron, ya grungy old sod, I'd sure like to hear this Black Flag yarn o' yours. To the rest of you, vote me down if it's seen the backside of this list afore. ':) Plaudits to Rob for his disco(graphy)mania. Hey, Mr. t (Viikari), how's about a digest of Finnish grunge? You have my interest piqued. And I'll try one more time (c'mon you folks that claim to have everything Skin Yard, Jack Endino, and his mother've put out, help me out here!): > But about Skin Yard.....I remember a mini-LP type release that was at ktru > (Houston) with a bare-chested woman drawing a nocked bow on the cover. I > remember really liking this a lot. Is this still available? What's it > called? Well? Eric avera@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Registered Propagandist and Ideologue Subject: Re: Top 5 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 11:29:42 CST I know where Hanoi Rocks are from, since I got the original "Two Steps..." new on wax (along w/ Spinal Tap and Yngwie Malmsteen), but I won't tell until other people do B) Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "My little woman's gonna be another copy of Raquel Welch" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Registered Propagandist and Ideologue Subject: Suicidals/Tad To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 11:52:10 CST Hey, thanx for the comment about Pepsi, Ron. My first connection with ST was on Night Flight (alternative Music after midnight on USA network) when I saw this hilarious video ending with a lowrider dragging window bars and driving down the street. I said "cool-ass shit" and sort of forgot about it. First time I heard Marley, it was on that show. The cool stuff never lasts. Anyway, it was in Carolina, about 1986, when I picked up ST on wax. I got a dub of Join the Army later, and the rest of their stuff passed by as I got into Anthrax and Judge Dredd. That first album is still rockin. Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "All I wanted was a Pepsi" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: xtra nirv To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 14:01:36 EDT > well I brought up that nirvana xtra songs on cd-single: > even in his youth > aneurysm > are two AWESOEM cuts! better than most songs on the CD-lp > I think. these shoulda been put on the CD methinks. Wow. Holy disagreement, Batman. I think their other singles are better (Stain, Dive), and that the album is quite good. > also, whassup with that "fake" 20min song at end of Nevermind. > weird eh? |-) Yeah. The first time I heard it, I cranked up my amp and stuck my ear into the speaker, listening for secret messages...I don't think my right ear has returned to normal having reached "part II" of the song all at once. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont You can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a women's man, no time to talk... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: another Nirvana lyrics attempt To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 14:44:36 EDT Joe and all, Fantastic job on the lyrics! I haven't had as much luck deciphering, but then again I'm not a big lyric-head any more (although I do remember them when I hear a song, especially DKs). Not to nitpick, but: >Light my candles >In a daze cause I found god In a daze since I found god >That's ok, my will is good I'm so horny That's okay, my will is gone >I like it >I'm not gonna crack >[...etc] I think there was a variation between the first and second run of this, but I'll have to check when I get home. Someone want to be the official grunge lyric maintainer? Maybe someone who can set up ftp access? Or at least someone who will keep them nice, make corrections, and mail them to those who ask? Time for others to get active in this mighty list. ---------------------------- New SubPop and Sonic Youth discography versions available today from the discog archive, or via email for those who ask nicely. First draft T&G should be ready by Weds, I think (I hope I pray). Rob -- I will not get so horny, but that's okay, my will is done. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: another Nirvana lyrics attempt To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 15:04:13 EDT > Lithium > ======= > Broken mirrors > Sunday morning This is the one part which I have a hard time with. > I'm so horny > That's ok, my will is good Rob's version is the right one, I think. Also, it sounds like he's repeating the word "denial" at the end of 'Teen Spirit instead of "albino, your mama, etc..." Anyone ever try anything from Bleach? Like "Swap Meet" or "Scoff"? "School" and "Negative Creep" are easy enough. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont You can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a women's man, no time to talk... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: another Nirvana lyrics attempt To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 14:25:00 EST Hey grunger, Just had to transcribe this one. Great song. I also did Breed too by I gotta listen to it again, some things are jsut impossible :)> joe@rit Home of the TLA's NAG (Nirvana Are Gods) Lithium ======= I'm so happy cause today I found my friends They're in my head I'm so ugly That's ok, cause so are you Broken mirrors Sunday morning Cause everyday for all I care And I'm not scared Light my candles In a daze cause I found god Yeaa (X bunch of times) I'm so lonely That's ok, I shaved my head And I'm not sad And just maybe I'm to blame for all I've heard And I'm not sure I'm so excited I can't wait to meet you there And I dont' care I'm so horny That's ok, my will is good Yeaa (x bunch of times) I like it I'm not gonna crack I miss you I'm not gonna crack I love you I'm not gonna crack I'll kill you I'm not gonna crack I like it I'm not gonna crack I miss you I'm not gonna crack I love you I'm not gonna crack I'll kill you I'm not gonna crack I'm so happy cause today I found my friends They're in my head I'm so ugly That's ok, cause so are you Broken mirrors Sunday morning Cause everyday for all I care And I'm not scared Light my candles In a daze cause I found god Yeaa (X bunch of times) I like it I'm not gonna crack I miss you I'm not gonna crack I love you I'm not gonna crack I kill you I'm not gonna crack I like it I'm not gonna crack I miss you I'm not gonna crack I love you I'm not gonna crack I'll kill you I'm not gonna crack -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: Nirvana's Lithium update To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 14:58:00 EST Hey Grungers, I double checked the changes that Rob noted, but they were not wrong. Rob, what are you, some kind of putz, hah hah just kiddin man :)> Nah, it is 'cause I found god' and it is 'My will is good' and the chorus doesn't vary. Although the seond of these cases ^ is kinda mumbled, but he makes a 'ooo' sound, not a 'aw' sound. who knows besides Kur(d)t :)> I'm gonna try some more tonight, I'm sure I can get them just if I had the time :)> joe@rit Home of the TLA's JCP(Jesus Christ Pose) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: Henry Rollins' syphilitic organ(grinding) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 17:06:31 EDT Well, Ron, it exceeded my expectations, it really did. Can't say I wish I'd been there, though.... :) Listened to the first disc from Bongwater's _Double Bummer_ last night on the way to Slumberland. While it's not *fully* grunge, it has its moments ("Dazed and Chinese" beats the Zep original **any** day! :))....and musically, it's just fucking Brilliant. Guaranteed to satisfy anyone's curiosity concerning how a pubescent female foreigner might feel in a Muslim country. What to do when your child might miss that important Assembly(ofGod)day at the Christian school. How to reincarnate psychedelic hippie songs about endangered sea mammals and still retain the essence of "cool." On any other list, I might have offended someone by now.... ';-) I promised Rob weeks ago I'd do a legit review of this. Well, guess it's still in the works (and this thing is years old anyway). Eric -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Back in MY day, we walked 15 MILES to school and... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 16:09:16 EST First of all, I know I've posted this to at least two lists, but I don't know which ones (janes-addiction and punk-list, maybe?). Apologies to those grungers who've seen this before. I'm starting to get sick of it myself. It seems like all I do is rehash old times on these lists, goaded on by the hordes of demons nipping at my heels ;) . Actually, I was just pulling your leg. I really like to post whatever crap comes to mind and laugh as I realize how widely my pearls of wisdom are spread over the land. Anyway, Eric "Mustang" Avera asks: > Ron, ya grungy old sod, I'd sure like to hear this Black Flag yarn o' yours. I saw Henry R. a few times in the 80's with Black Flag (incidentally, one of my all-time fave bands, which you can see from my sig), a couple of shows back in L.A., and once in Raleigh. You wouldn't believe the Raleigh show, it was at the Skate Inn rink, was frigging packed absolutely full, and the sonic assault of Black Flag was in full force. This was in '86 for the In My Head tour. I fought my way to the stage, and of course had to stay there the rest of the show, since it was so packed no one could move. I damn near passed out from lack of oxygen/being crushed/total heat. Anyway, Henry was screaming and yelling right above my head. All he was wearing were thin sweatpants. The lunatic was 2 inches in front of me, tatoos and all, dripping sweat on my head from his elbow. What a madman! The final insult was when he came right to the edge of the stage, with his fucking crotch practically right in my face. Of course he got a big ol' nasty hardon at this point, and I couldn't move, so here I am with Henry Rollins' erect penis in my face, bobbing and weaving to avoid the hardon and sweat globs! What a dick ;) ! Maybe he's bisexual or something. I was going to try to whack him in the nuts but he's about twice my size, I couldn't move, and two big bouncers were watching me to make sure I didn't hurt Henry's genitalia. Punk rock, man! After the show, I told Henry he was a fucking dick, and he just laughed it off. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: another Nirvana lyrics attempt To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 15:15:16 -0600 >New SubPop and Sonic Youth discography versions available today from the >discog archive, or via email for those who ask nicely. First draft T&G should >be ready by Weds, I think (I hope I pray). Am I asking nicely enough for you to send me the SubPop and SY discogs? (Either that, or could you tell me how to get into the archives?) soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu Subject: Rollins etc To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 16:17:17 CDT From: Ron Rader >so here I am with Henry Rollins' erect penis in my face, >bobbing and weaving to avoid the hardon and sweat globs! What a dick ;) ! >Maybe he's bisexual or something. Actually Rollins has been known to make homophobic remarks. He could still be bisexual, of course. Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: Re: Suicidals/Tad To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 16:18:20 -0500 Hey, man... suicidal kicks! I've got all there stuff except for "join the army" (and someone told me that that one was thier best)... I'd almost be scared to go to one of their concerts... too many fucking skin- head nazi dipshits. FRANKenChRIST leper@judy.indstate.edu *Long live Jello* ,. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dyslexia Subject: Re: Rollins etc To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 14:30:56 -0700 > > >so here I am with Henry Rollins' erect penis in my face, > >bobbing and weaving to avoid the hardon and sweat globs! What a dick ;) ! > >Maybe he's bisexual or something. > > Actually Rollins has been known to make homophobic remarks. He could > still be bisexual, of course. > > Bill Actually, isn't he known for molesting young boys?... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat Padua" Subject: Re: Rollins etc To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 17:50:36 EDT I thought that was Morissey. Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "George Carleton,893-7440" Subject: RE: the grunge of my life To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 18:02:36 -0700 i know everybody on this list loves Primus, but i just listened to _Sea of Cheese_, and i'd swear to god they stole A LOT from Henry Cow. is this just me, or are my ears getting Alzheimers' disease? not to piss anyone off, but i hadda know...... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Re: Truly and SGM To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 21:18:02 EDT > >In response to John's question about Truly, they have already pretty much > >broken up. The band was Hiro who was in Soundgarden a few years ago, Mark > >Pickerel who used to drum for Screaming Trees, Chris Quinn, and Robert who > >was in Storybook Crooks. Well, Mark moved back to Ellensberg, and the > >band is no longer doing much. Mark and Hiro both quit each of their > >respective previous bands because they didn't want to tour. > > Just thought,since he's the only one that you didn't say what he was > in previously, I'd mention that Chris Quinn was in SGM,now called > Sweetwater. > -Renee > (the Seattleite) > BTW I saw the ScUmB PoOP is releasing a 7" by Truly I forgot when. I love "Blow Job" by SGM. "I don't know why you don't suck my c*ck!" Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Re: T&G discography To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 21:57:24 EDT > I'm collecting top fives, maybe I can whip up some sort of heineous charter > or something. At least something for the new folks. Jon - can the listserve > automagically dump that to new subscribers? Lemme know. > Listserv can do anything! And don't you forget it! 8) So jump to it boy! Whip something up! Below is what is sent out now, I think... Well if it isn't, your reading it now, so don't worry about it! 8) >Welcome to the GRUNGE LIST discussion list GRUNGE-L@UBVM. > >This list will be used to distribute information concerning any and all >reviews, previews, information, and discussion of the form of music known as >GRUNGE ROCK! Any users who wish to join this list should send the following >command to LISTSERV@UBVM via e-mail as the first line in the body of the mail >message, not the Subject: line: > >SUB grunge-l real name > >Send the HELP or INFO commands for more information. > >Jon Hilgreen GRUNGE-L@UBVM Coordinator > >-- > >hilgreen@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu >hilgreen%sun.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm (bitnet) > As I said listserv can do anything! I am just lazy. I archive everything send to the list, and I alway have CCed my posts to myself. Well most of the time. I finally got around to asking how to automatically get cc to your self, last Thursday. So I am a procrastinator! Geesh! Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: No procrastination To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 22:20:29 EDT Ha! I checked into the burning questions! I will have a reply to it hopefully by tomorrow morning. And with luck, I will read it when I get through the mail that has piled up since this weekend! Ugh! Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: What is Runge-Kutta? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 12:36:51 +0200 Hey, Mr. t (Viikari), how's about a digest of Finnish grunge? You have my interest piqued. ---What would ya like to read/know/whatever? I'm not very good at describing bands/recs... (shit I wish I had a modem (and a PC...)) You should all get some EBPSATRFM recs!!! (a cup of?) t < t (Viikari) < tv87098@cs.tut.fi > I was born on the day > < Onkiniemenk. 6B16 < tel: +358-31-221 169 > Everything became nothing. > < 33230 Tampere < fax: +358-31-221 169 < I will die on the day > < FINLAND < KEEP IN TOUCH, PUNK! < Nothing becomes everything. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Rollins etc To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 08:23:57 EDT Hi Bill, >Actually Rollins has been known to make homophobic remarks. He could >still be bisexual, of course. Could you state specific references for these remarks? Although it wouldn't surprise me if it was true, I must say that I've read dozens of Rollins interviews over many years and I've never come across anything I would consider to be homophobic. Rollins, although he has recently decided to avoid anything political in nature, has always seemed to be a "do it yourself, do what you want, live and let live" sort of guy, at least in the press. If you are by chance referring to Black Flag lyrics, I might suggest that many of their lyrics were meant to be taken as irony. I'm not disagreeing with your statement nor trying to dispute the issue, just curious about the specifics. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not pledge allegiance to Bart. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re:Rollins etc. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 09:24:27 EDT OK> This isn't really relevant to the Rollins/Homophobia discussion, but I wanted to throw in my two cents about Black Flag. I have always maintained that i thought BF was better *without* Rollins; I had the fortune of seeing them in Salt Lake City (!) with Dez and the Rollins shows never really impressed me as much, in part because he's such a jerk. You should see the outrage this opinion causes here in the Balto./Wash. area, where Henry Garfield is still seen as somewhat of a local hero... Any comments? Volker RADAVFS@UBE.UB.UMD.EDU -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: How much for the little boy? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 09:00:59 EST What's all this about molesting young boys? I'm pretty sure Henry wasn't busted for child molestation; at least I think I would have heard about it by now having paid attention to Black Flag for some years. Morrisey likes little boys? Reminds me of my 4th grade teacher. When I was in high school, I read the paper one evening and noticed how Mr. Leatherer (my former teacher) was busted hard time for taking little boys out on camping trips (he was a Scoutmaster, snicker!) and doing all sorts of oral and anal genital poking. Furthermore, former students were witnesses at the trial, and the sick bastard was doing it before, during, and after I was his student. Gave me a whole new lease on my elementary school days, especially why my friends who were in Cub scouts acted so weird around Leatherer, and his strange touchy-feely teaching style . Ron "Saved From Sexual Abuse By Atheism" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Truly and SGM To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 11:30:03 EDT > I love "Blow Job" by SGM. "I don't know why you don't suck my c*ck!" Even better: "I've got a little feelin' and it's pullin' on my leg... Alls I wanna' do is TAP THE KEG!" Long live the pooty revolution! -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont You can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a women's man, no time to talk... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Levasseur Subject: Smells Like Teen Spirit lyrics To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 11:44:31 -0400 hey, these lyrics are pretty good, with a couple of corrections that i will add....i may be wrong, but i'd like to think not :^) i just took joe@rit's lyrics and made corrections (for the line directly above) on the lines with ??'s preceding. From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Smells Like Teen Spirit ======================= Load up on guns Bring your friends It's fun to lose And to pretend She's overboard Myself assured ?? Self assured I know I know A dirty word hello (x 16) With the lights out it's less dangerous Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious Here we are now Entertain us A mulatto An albino A mosquito My Libido Yea ?? Yay, yay I'm worse at what I do best and for this gift I feel blessed I met a group that's always been ?? Our little group has always been And always will until the end hello (x 16) ?? hello hello hello how low (x3) ?? hello hello hello hello With the lights out it's less dangerous Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious Here we are now Entertain us A mulatto An albino A mosquito My Libido Yea ?? Yay, yay And I forget Just what the taste ?? Just what it takes And yes I guess it makes me smile ?? And yet I guess it makes you smile I found it hard Its hard to find Oh well, whatever, nevermind hello (x 16) ?? hello hello hello how low (x3) ?? hello hello hello hello With the lights out it's less dangerous Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious Here we are now Entertain us A mulatto An albino A mosquito My Libido ?? the denial (x9) does someone with a better ear than both of us want to publish a final draft? the phrases 'myself assured' and 'makes me smile' (from joe) could be right, but i sort of heard it differently. listen and verify, k? ronnnnnnnnnnnnnbo | internet: ronbo@bigbird.bu.edu | v i'm a negative creep, and i'm stoned! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu Subject: Re: Rollins etc To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 11:12:06 CDT I'll try to find the references for Rollins' homophobic remarks. The story I heard was he knows it's a problem (among his other problems) and he was trying to deal with it. (Again this was a long time ago so I'll try to find the references but can't promise anything.) Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat Padua" Subject: Re:Rollins etc. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 12:30:28 EDT Though I slightly prefer Rollins' Flag to Dez, etc., I can't say I thought much of his Dischord band, SOA. Pat Padua 108 Mullen Library Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20017 202/319-5060 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Registered Propagandist and Ideologue Subject: Re: another Nirvana lyrics attempt To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 12:09:13 CST Does anyone have the lyrics to "Dive", or do I have to ruin my hearing trying to understand it myself first? B) Dave t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet "Burn victims suck, yes they do but not as bad as me and you" -- Love, Calvin -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robkat, BOYEEE!" Subject: public enemy To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 11:36:19 PDT apoycalypse '91...the enemy strikes black actually, kind of softer for pe; doesn't have that burning, if naive, intensity of previous efforts (anthrax bring tha noize and move aside). there is one almost offensively bad song (more news at 11) that doesn't seem to make sense (yes, it's a flav ditty), but there are good rips at the ny post, the kkk, and ice cube (for endorsing st ides malt liquor). the bomb squad's music rocks, of course, and the flav looks down right evil on the cover. worth $12 (tower has it on sale), but don't get your hopes up, cheese. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: more lyrics To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 13:38:00 EST Hey Grungers, I'm working on more Nirvana lyrics now and I'll just wait until I get them all or atleast most of them. I changed some of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" un request from ron (I think). How stupid could I be about the 'Our group'thing, that's right in the insert, I'm a putz. Some these others are kinda tough. I'll try to get Dive too. I still gotta get Bleach, tough to get around here. Guess I gotta tell the man to order one. Oh, yea, I play bass and last night me a a friend on guitar figured out the first five songs, atleast I did on bass. Funny how great songs could be so easy to learn. looks like my band is going to do "Smells Like Teen Spirit" too. Oh yea, Jon and Renee and anybody else in the range of my voice. I'm having two bands play with mine at my play on Oct 18th. You are welcome to come. Let me know. And again. Please keep date request for the Grunge Fest coming in. I got a few but I would like more before I set a date. thanks dirty ones joe@rit Home of the TLA's -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: reeves%CS.UCLA.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Rollins etc To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 11:41:29 PDT Bill, you might be remembering the heated e-mail exchange between Dan Greening and Kyle Hendrikson after a Rollins spoken word show here, debating Rollins' use of the word ``faggot.'' (This was back in the love-hounds days, Andrew ``IED'' Marvick was at this show we found out later. He didn't understand it.) I don't think there was anything more than garden variety frat boy homophobia, and he's since been educated. To the poster who claimed that Henry was a child molester, you got this reversed. He was molested (or abused) as a child, by one of Mommies boyfriends. --John -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Tucker Subject: thompsons To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 15:03:28 EDT there is no connection between diamondhead and the thompsons that i am aware of jeff t -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: woj Subject: Re: Rollins etc To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 18:01:03 EDT reeves@cs.ucla.edu sez: >(This was back >in the love-hounds days, Andrew ``IED'' Marvick was at this show we >found out later. He didn't understand it.) why aren't i surprised? woj@remus.rutgers.edu - dj-for-hire - so many shimmydiscs so little time -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Soundgarden tour info To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 19:13:47 EDT Soundgarden will be touring with Guns 'n' Roses. Soundgarden will headline. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Re: irc To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 19:30:34 EDT I am on IRC as either Lick, Sire, or Master. Send to me if any of you are on. Use the /who nick to see if I am on. I am also an IRC operator. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Re: This is emotional, it's about love of grunge, To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 19:41:21 EDT > I figured this is an appropriate discussion seeing all the 'what is > grunge' things floating around. I think GRUNGE has changed my life. I feel > nothing can move you more than GRUNGE. GRUNGE is here, and GRUNGE IS GOD!! > thank you and I'm sorry if this was boring or annoying. That's the way it is. > Joe, you are fucked up! That's why we love you. 8) Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Re: Top 5 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 19:53:34 EDT > Non Grunge: > 1. Hanoi Rocks - Two steps from the move (CBS) > > ---Just curious: how many of you know where were Hanoi Rocks from? > > No big deal, tho, > t > I do, of course. I have an IRC buddy "Tyla" from finland, he sent me a tape of finnish music, my fave was Peer Gunt (SP). Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Sampson x20644 R12-2019 134385" Subject: L7 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1991 07:14:55 PDT Hey grunge fans ... Did anyone hear L7 play live on KXLU 88.9 FM yesterday afternoon? Yeah, I know most of you aren't anywhere near Los Angeles and want to keep it that way, but you still missed a cool broadcast. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: Finnish grunge-inen (a poor attempt at a linguistic joke) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1991 11:44:01 EDT Well, Mr. t, it's hard to know the right questions to ask, but here goes... Is Finnish grunge like its American counterpart....e.g. any number of Sub Pop bands? (An aside: has anyone else noticed the big differences between the Sub Pop, Am Rep, and Boner "folds", while there is some consistency within each? Could be I'm imposing this myself, but it seems to me that these labels *do* each have a certain sound...) Do they "sing" in English or Finnish (mostly)? Do people go crazy at their shows? How do these bands rate on an int'l scale of grunginess? (Are any among your top 20 grunge hits of all time?) How are these questions? Anything you can say about EBPSATRFM would be appreciated. Eric the Mighty Weeny Torch-carrier for the bi-urban Ithaca/Rochester area -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: Dutch grunge? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1991 12:13:34 EDT Well, this Finnish grunge has sent me off on another tangent.... Dutch grunge. I'm not sure that the following bands are grungy in the truest sense of the word, but they come awfully close: The Ex: I have _Aural Guerilla_, which is really quite good. Sometimes close to HC, not really fuzzed-out guitars the way most grunge seems to be, I guess. The neat thing about The Ex is their uncompromising attitude. They shun major labels. They include interesting propagandist inserts. I'm hoping to get their 19?? double 7" with booklet and _Too Many Cowboys_ (?), their latest self-published (double?) LP at some point. Anybody else like them? The Ex recently took on some political issue in a big way, but I can't remember the particulars from the article I read. Housing, maybe? Chambre Jaune: I only remember a little about these guys (I'm *pretty* sure they're Dutch, despite the French name) from the waning days of my dj-terrorist days, but what I heard, I liked. Really good stuff. Only one album on this side of the drink ("Into the drink!") as far as I know. Mebbe someone else can fill in the blanks. Eric "Touch Me I'm Lonely" Avera avera@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: mini-grunge fest, well, kinda To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1991 12:56:00 EST Hey grungers, Well, I've just confirmed my plans for Oct 18th. There is going to be a 'show' at my place on Friday Oct 18th. It will consist of three, yes count em, three bands. here's the line-up _fieldfresh_ opening up things around 8ish Foundation cranking out some good HC stuff around 9:30ish Standard Deviation bringing the night home with a good assortment of sounds. Some thrashy stuff, some grunge(atleast i would call it that). Maybe Pat can help me out on the style. I just love them, that's one thing I am sure about. Great sounds Anyone in the area is welcome. Please send me some e-mail if youare coming, so I can expect you and keep an eye out too. I can send you direction to my place too. I call it a 'show' cause I don't want to call it a 'party'. That term just means alot of drinking and beer around here. Although there will be a party next door :)> SHould be great. I gotta make sure everything is out of the living room (and hallway). Gonna be a mess afterwards, but who cares. Well, let me know if you're interested. joe@rit Home of the TLA's fFS (_fieldfresh_ Foundation StandardDeviation) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: oops, RE: mini-grunge fest To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1991 12:58:00 EST Sorry grunger, I forgot to mention. I live in Rochester NY if you don't know. This gives you a little idea on distance to travel. Jon and Renee, you're coming, right? joe@rit Home of the TLA's -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick_Waara.WBST129%XEROX.COM@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: mini-grunge fest, well, kinda To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1991 11:18:15 PDT >Standard Deviation bringing the night home with a good assortment of sounds. > Some thrashy stuff, some grunge(atleast i would call it that). > Maybe Pat can help me out on the style. I just love them, that's > one thing I am sure about. Great sounds Oooooo, (said in my best Les Nessman voice) such kind words. How can I describe our sound? Diverse is one word that comes to mind. The last band I was in (Hunger Artist) was defintely straight ahead hardcore. This time I wanted to stretch out a little more. I figure I like all different kinds of music, so I may as well play what I like. Like Joe said, some of it is HC plain and simple (we still do some old Hunger Artist tunes), some of it sounds more like 70's punk, some is funky, some has jazz overtones, some is slow and dark. Mix it up! We plan on putting together a decent demo in the next few months, so those of you who can't make it to see us live will have an opportunity to check it out. I'll let you know when it's ready. I hope to see as many of you as possible at Joe's. It's always interesting to put faces with e-mail addresses. ~Pat -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: Top 5 To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1991 20:35:48 +0200 I have an IRC buddy "Tyla" from finland, he sent me a tape of finnish music, my fave was Peer Gunt (SP). ---Just curios: what other bands the tape included??? I could propose some good ones..., t -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: Dutch grunge? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1991 20:40:41 +0200 Yes, EX is quite an interesting band. They're now releasing 'Six Series', a series of six 7"s. I think 6.4 is out now. They release one 7" every other month. I can give you the address if needed. I could also get you the 7" box released some years ago (is this the 19?? thing you mentioned?). Lemme know if interested, t PS. I'll reply to the Finland thang later. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu Subject: Re: Dutch grunge? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1991 14:05:24 CDT The Ex has a new CD out with improvising cellist Tom Cora. On RecRec. Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jesus Crist Pose To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1991 15:29:55 EDT Greeting grungers !!! I'm having a wonderful day here in Georgia because 'Badmoterfinger' has arrived and is currently irritating my neighbors... I also picked up the Nirvana Maxi-pad... the two unreleased tracks are worth the 5 bucks... I have several questions for the Grunge audience: What exactly is 'Grunge' ????!!!! (I'm kidding... please don't answer that question...) I was in my local music emporium doing that Soundgarden thaaannng... and I noticed a new 'Mr Bungle' CD.... 1991 release... Is Mike Patton with the the band ???? I remember some of you refering to Mr Bungle last month I had just assumed that an old release was the topic of conversation.. What does this band sound like... ??? Is it similar to Faith No More ?? Is it delicious grunge that I have to own..?? It it a waste of money ?? please enlighten me... My next series of questions concern the Misfits/Samhain/Danzig trio.. A friend of mine sent me a tape of 'Danzig' and an interview from Spin with Glenn Danzig... The tape was alright... I have been told that his first two musical endeavors are quite fun...... I see Misfit T-shirts all the time at various shows... What are 'the misfits' and 'Samhain' all about ?? More grunge that I must own... Fun punk to play for my children in 20 years..? Or is it mediocre grunge-core that gets good write ups in Spin all the time.. Lastly - Nirvana was here in Athens GA Saturday... and it was phenomenal they played a full 90 minutes... The band was in excellent shape... Kurt spent most of the show bashing equipment... Stage diving - with his guitar The end to the show was great... The drumer kicked over his drums - then piled them up in no particular order... and played them with the monitor microphones.... the rest of the band played on for another song.... then piled their instruments onto the drums.. and through the feedback wished us all a goodnight... such fun... thanks for the information... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STRAIGHT OUTA DAHLGREN Subject: Zoogz Rift To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1991 17:00:43 EDT Any Zoogz Rift fans out there? I stopped compulsively buying his stuff after NONENTITY - not from lack of interest but because there suddenly seemed to be all this other stuff I wanted to buy - and I'd be interested in finding out if his misanthropy-levels are still over the top. I have on several record-buying excursions been tempted by MURDERING HELL'S BLOODY CRETINS (Zoogz live!) but, perhaps to my sorrow, I resisted. Any word from the wize'd be appreciated. (and for the uninitiated: Zoogz is a very fat, very ugly man who plays ((usually)) very ugly music. He's generally compared to Zappa and Beefheart, and with instrumental cuts like "Idiots on the Miniature Golf Course" you can see why. But unlike Zappa ((who's been wearing his "composer" hat more and more often)), Zoogz tends to take a rockier approach to his music. The stuff ranges from inspired dissonance-rock ((check out "Shiver Me Timbers" on ISLAND OF LIVING PUKE)) to stuff that's...well, kind of pretty (if you hate that kind of thing, stay away from INTERIM RESURGENCE - most of which I like ((Paula Abdul should cover "X-Ray Girls")). Lots of ranting, lots of vicious jabs at a society of morons. If your interest is piqued by this - most of his later albums have been released on cd...if you still have vinyl capabilities look for his earlier stuff - all on SST - especially LOOSER THAN CLAMS and the aforementioned ISLAND OF LIVING PUKE. Supposedly in his salad days he did a number of self-produced cassettes, and if anyone knows whether these are still somehow available to mortals, please let me know!) /j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: danzig To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1991 21:02:47 EDT Jesus- I don't know where to start about the misfits or samhain. I can merely offer you my humble opinion of these bands; I'm sure many others will follow. It seems to me that Glenn Danzig, unlike scotch, gets worse the longer he ages. I find Danzig (the "band") quite boring. Samhain wasn't exactly exciting (too affectedly gloomy), but it had its uniqueness. The Misfits, however, are one of the finer hardcore/punk/whatever combos to emerge from the late 70s (at least musically speaking). They were responsible for some very hard-edged yet melodic punk rock - get "Walk Among Us," which was rereleased on Warner a few years ago - it will give you a good idea of what was going on then. There is also a 1983 ep entitled "Earth AD" (or "Wolf's Blood" if you find the German import) that is way more hardcore than "Walk Among Us." There was also the posthumous CD release (simply called "The Misfits") from 1986 as well as an LP that was almost its counterpart ("Legacy of Brutality") that were collections of rare tracks and alternate takes. I won't get into the various 7" eps that they released, since they are currently selling for anywhere from $75 to $200. Nor will I mention the dozens of live bootlegs; most are of piss-poor sound quality and not worth the 10 chips most bootleggers want for them. As you might see from the titles of the records, the lyrical content was frequently horror related. Not exactly a band known for its political cosciousness. As far as Danzig himself goes, there are a number of nasty stories told about him, especially from former Misfits. Not that they were angels - when I lived in California, a kid got brained by Doyle (the guitarist) at the Elite c Club in San Francisco (1981) and had to be hospitalized. Any more Misfits trivia required? There's more to be had... Cheers, Volker P>S> Good article/interview with Danzig himself in Thrasher (1986 or so) that included a decent discography... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STOLTZ PETER Subject: Misfits To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1991 21:33:32 -0600 An unknown person writes: >My next series of questions concern the Misfits/Samhain/Danzig trio.. > >A friend of mine sent me a tape of 'Danzig' and an interview from Spin with >Glenn Danzig... The tape was alright... I have been told that his first >two musical endeavors are quite fun...... I see Misfit T-shirts all the >time at various shows... What are 'the misfits' and 'Samhain' all about ?? >More grunge that I must own... Fun punk to play for my children in 20 years..? >Or is it mediocre grunge-core that gets good write ups in Spin all the time.. The Misfits are a must-have in my book. I listened to Walk Among Us more times my junior year at Berkeley than any other LP. It's strange, '40s & '50s sci-fi inspired stuff with real tight guitar. Songs about turning into Martians and having multiple eyes and stuff like that. So I have to agree with Volker and say, get Walk Among Us and their posthumous release The Misfits, and you're all set for hours of listening pleasure. Great stuff. Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VS8154%UMKCVAX3.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: _Bmf_ and pre-grunge grunge To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1991 23:14:00 CDT Well, well, well... I finally got my grubby little fingers on my very own copy of _Badmotorfinger_. Definitely worth having, especially for _Rusty Cage_, _Jesus Christ Pose_, and _Drawing Flies_. I also thought the horn section served their purposes well. You guys are making me buy more tapes than I ever thought I'd own in my entire life! :) I consider the following to be sort of the family tree of grunge. ****************** -First of all, the early bluesmen. (Robert Johnson, Blind Lemon Jefferson...) -Everybody knows Led Zeppelin was grungy. -So were the Stones. -Some Mountain. (Never In My Life, Mississippi Queen...) -The Who. -Dylan, perhaps. -Jimi Hendrix, definitely. (His version of The Star Spangled Banner still kicks my ass every time I hear it.) -Some would argue that Tull was grungy, but I don't know. (They are my alltime favorite, tho...) -I'd say Creedence Clearwater Revival was quit grungy at times. John Fogerty was a kickass guitarist/vocalist with lots of creativity, too. Not very complete, but hey. Sam "looking California, feeling Minnesota" Hughes VS8154@UMKCVAX3 VS8154@VAX3.CUEP.UMKC.EDU -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Rench Subject: Re: pre-grunge grunge To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 00:21:42 CDT VS8154%UMKCVAX3.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu wrote: >I consider the following to be sort of the family tree of grunge. >[list deleted] You left out the 3 (IMO) most important proto-grunge bands: The Stooges, The Velvet Underground, and (last but definately not least) Black Sabbath. On the topic of Mr. Bungle (I deleted the message so I don't remember who asked. anyway...) To put it simply, Mr. Bungle makes Faith No More sound middle-of-the-road. The music jumps all over the place stylistically (kinda like producer John Zorn's Naked City stuff). Bizarre lyrics, and bizarre clown artwork to look at while listening. It's long (the CD is double-LP length and the shortest song is about 5 minutes), but it doesn't get boring. I'd say it's worth getting, especially if you like Zorn and FNM. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth Ann Schaefer Subject: Die Kreuzen single To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 08:59:20 -0500 Well there's an ad in this month's new Spin (unfortunately a month earlier than they wanted) for the new LP. It's pretty neat but man those ads are worth a lot! Anyway I remember someone said they were going to do a Touch and Go mail order for the single "Big Bad Days" and I just wanted to say that there is a limited run of 1000 copies that were printed on red vinyl. If you can't get one from Touch and Go I can get you one here. Beth. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thy BERND! Subject: MRR / 411 - specialist needed... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 15:06:00 +0100 aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhh, what's this shit? i got the MRR 101 (oct issue) and the top 15 of mick crash contains a 411 *LIVE* LP. shit. josh stanton, bass-player of 411 wants to send me live-recordings for my tape- label (you all know it - non-profit and in germany). what is this live lp (official release? will they give me live reordings then?)? MATT & SEAN: if this F**KING record is a BOOT get one for me, please (max. $15) has anyone the answer? COMMERCIAL PART FOR MY LABEL: - as i said one million times: NON PROFIT! - any material (punk & hc) wanted (known & unknown bands) - i plan a cover-version tape with madonna-songs (since yesterday two interested bands, yeah & a mike watt burning up-demo, yeah, too). - further informations wanted? thanx'n'bye - thy BERND! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: a surrealistic t-shirt party To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 16:21:01 +0200 Last tuesday I was at Yo-talo (a venue owned by the student union of Univ. of Tampere - a great place, BTW). One of my friends arranged a 'home party' there. Great idea IMO. Entrance was 5 FIM (approx US$ 1.25) if ya didn't have a t-shirt on - with t-shirt on the entrance was free. There were about 100-150 people (at maximum, it varied a lot during the evening) and three bands. Inexpensive beer and some wierd video films shot onto the walls. First band was a Clash cover band, pretty unnecessery, but OK for a party. They weren't sloppy or anything, but Clash was Clash and that's that. Second band was my girlfriend's band, Banaanimiehet (Bananamen in English, guessed it?). They play covers of 60's punk. Actually, they play Finnish covers of a 80's UK band called Sting-Rays which played lots of 60's punk covers. I really like this band - not just because of my gf... Their set was ok, but the audience wasn't too much into their stuff. Who gives a shit...? After some major hazzle with finding symbals and other incredibly sloppy arrangements the third band started their set. At this time there were only like 15-20 people left. But that didn't bother the band or the crowd. The third band was DEEP TURTLE - remember this name!!!, look for a review from one of the latest issues of MRR. They were incredibly hot! They had more energy and intensivity than Victims Family (and I do like VF *a lot*) and almost the tightness of NoMeansNo. Really good, well played and well performed melodic (with funky + jazzy bits) HC. The band was incredibly intensive and rockin'! Too bad their 1st 7" (self-produced) is out of print now and they won't reprint more. I'm still trying to talk the guys over... Hold your breath till they release some new material - I think you could write to the band if you'd like to get some material on tape. I can give their address if anyone is interested - and you should!!! (BTW, they sing in English, if you happen to care) There are loads of GREAT bands in Finland, t PS. A new lp by Y.U.P. should be out now. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Fear To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 09:26:47 EST Grungers: there's been some discussion on punk-list about Lee Ving (singer for Fear). I figured you sods would appreciate some of their lyrics, hence the crosspost. Sorry dudes, FEAR is one classic band. Been around since the beginning, for me anyway. They've got some of the best emoting lyrics on earth. Stuff like: An old man had a heart attack in Manhattan Well he died while we just stood there looking at him Ain't he cute? I don't care about you, Fuck You! (this song is particularly good when you're angry with life in general) or Fresh flesh, oozing down the street Fresh flesh, watch her eat my meat [...] Piss on your warm embrace I just want to come in your face Those of you who can't stand misogyny can flame me for loving FEAR if you want. Of course I'll probably ignore you. Ron "More Beer" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: xtra nirv To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 08:24:46 PDT > also, whassup with that "fake" 20min song at end of Nevermind. > weird eh? |-) > Could someone please spell this out for me. Excuse my ignorance, but my cd is 42:xx in length, 12 tracks, with the last one being 3-4 min. in length. So where is this fake song everyone's buzzin about? I don't recall seeing anything in the insert about it either. Please fill me in. Thanks. I gave up looking for bleach in the used bins and bought a new copy yesterday. Not bad at all for 3 days of recording and $600. Y'all haven't steered me wrong yet! I still looking for Victims Families, The Cynics R'n'R, Dustdevils, Rein Sanction, Superchunk, and Rites of Spring, and saving my pennies for L7, but hopfully Badmotorfinger and Bleach/Nevermind will get me through the weekend. :) Ciao Cats (and kittens) john haas@intermec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Cluff Subject: Stooges - Grunge's Golden Gates To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 11:45:00 EDT Daniel Rench scribeth: >You left out the 3 (IMO) most important proto-grunge bands: >The Stooges, The Velvet Underground, and (last but definately >not least) Black Sabbath. Agreed. After listening to the Stooges' "Raw Power" last night, it reaffirmed my conviction that this album exemplifies all there is to Grunge in particular and Rock and Roll in general: 1. Dangerous 2. Scary/Rebellious 3. Sloppy (just listen to that guitar solo in "Shake Appeal" and say that that isn't the quintessential guitar solo -- especially at the end) 4. Makes you want to grow your hair long'n'greasy and slice off 20 or 30 IQ points... (no insult intended -- but just try to read a Scientific American article while listening) Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dean R Biron Subject: pre-grunge grunge To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 12:03:18 -0400 Hmmmm...can a comic book be grunge? If so, Beautiful Stories for Ugly Children definitely qualifies. db (Dean Biron) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Registered Propagandist Subject: Re: pre-grunge grunge To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 10:13:40 CST The clown artwork is taken from a "comic" called _Beautiful Stories for Ugly Children_, and I call it a "comic" because it is set up with a real nerrative w/ pictures instead of thought balloons and *POW*s coming out of everywhere. Good comic. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: Re: xtra nirv To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 10:18:29 MDT On Thu Oct 10 1991 8:24am, John Haas (haas@intermec.com) wrote: > Subject: "Re: xtra nirv" > > also, whassup with that "fake" 20min song at end of Nevermind. > > weird eh? |-) > > > Could someone please spell this out for me. Excuse my ignorance, but my > cd is 42:xx in length, 12 tracks, with the last one being 3-4 min. in > length. So where is this fake song everyone's buzzin about? I don't > recall seeing anything in the insert about it either. Please fill me in. > Thanks. > > john well my CD (player?) says Nevermind is 60+ min long and the last song is 20+. it plays for about 2, 10 min of silence, more geetar for 2min, more mins of silence, then the end. oh no! now I am worried is my CD fried? does anyone else have this problem or is it a collector edition?? help. ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: xtra nirv To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 12:27:49 EDT Hagen Haas sez: >> also, whassup with that "fake" 20min song at end of Nevermind. >> weird eh? |-) Yeah, someone wanna fill this in? What are you all talking about? I have no such problem/feature with my cd. >I still looking for Victims Families, >The Cynics R'n'R, Dustdevils, Rein Sanction, Superchunk, and Rites of >Spring, and saving my pennies for L7, but hopfully Badmotorfinger and >Bleach/Nevermind will get me through the weekend. :) The Cynics stuff can be had through Get Hip distributors, Rein Sanction and L7 directly from SubPop (disc and cassette only), Dustdevils stuff comes from Teen Beat (a catalog was posted earlier) or from Matador Records in NYC, and Rites of Spring from Dischord, record only but there's been rumors of a CD release. I can provide addresses if people want 'em, and the list of mail order companies and addresses is still in the planning stages but I will get to it sooner or later (most likely much later). New L7 LP (called "L7", how original) due out on Epitaph soon. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not drive the principal's car. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Re: SGM To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 14:36:44 EDT "Tap Tap the Keeeeegggg!" Great song! Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon J. Hilgreen | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu -- -- 22 Capen Hall - Box 11 / SUNYAB | hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm-- -- Buffalo, NY 14260 | rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ObQuote: "Horniness is next to Holiness" -From the cover of an adult video-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: A poll To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 15:01:13 EDT Ok, so who bought Badmotorfinger on Tuesday? If you did, send me private email. I just want to see howmany people were thirsty on this list. I am. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu - hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm -- -- rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Renee Hawkins Subject: Re: uh huh.... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 12:09:03 -0700 > > Let me get this straight, Anthrax opened then PE played and Primus headlined? > > I must really be missing something. I would think the lineup would be the > > opposite! Not that I like Anthrax better than Primus. Oh well. > Yup. This is weird. I have tickets for the show here in Seattle and they say Public Enemy and Anthrax with special guest Primus (in smaller type). I'll see the 23rd. -Renee -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: Re: Fear To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 15:09:15 EDT "I like livin' in the city" too....... ';-) Someone told me that Fear was never a "real" band when I complained they only ever cut two albums. He said that Lee was an actor *first*, singer second (I had it the other way 'round in my pea-mind), which sorta left my jaw hanging. Can't believe it, having seen (and loved! veni vidi vici amo amat amablahblahblah) _Decline..._. Still, why else would he have ended up in _Flashdance_?............. Eric avera@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu grunge/grunge04.txt100444 0 0 3516163 6311535237 12722 0ustar rootroot GRUNGE-L ARCHIVES Vol. 4!!!! (c) 1992 Jon J. Hilgreen The following is a compilation of articles sent to the grunge rock discussion mailing list, grunge-l@ubvm. This file has been edited for clairity and non-related subject matter. The messages written below are not quotes, do not hold the below mentioned people responsible, due to the chance of altered text. This file is subject to restrictions of The Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986, USC 2510-2511, as amended. Unlawful interception and/or redistribution of this file is a Federal crime, punishable by a maximium $10,000.00 dollar fine, and/or imprisonment for up to five years. Of course, you do have permission to redistribute it, as long as you say where you got it. Jon J. Hilgreen, list owner GRUNGE-L@UBVM --rockin@mudhoney.micro.umn.edu /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Re: mini-grunge fest, well, kinda To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 15:13:56 EDT > The last band I was in (Hunger Artist) was defintely straight ahead hardcore. > Pat you were in Hunger Artist? I've herd of them. I specifically remember being at a WBNY Battle of the Bands and there were a whole bunch of trendy punk chicks of about age 16 complaining that the wrong Hunger Artist was playing. They wanted to see the HC band from Rachacha. 8) > I hope to see as many of you as possible at Joe's. It's always interesting > to put faces with e-mail addresses. > I am easy. I am ugly. If you see anyone there that is ugly, it is probably me. 8) Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu - hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm -- -- rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dana Buoniconti Subject: calling all Sndgrdn. fans... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 14:49:15 EST Curious to know where I could get an audio copy of Soundgarden doing a version of "Big Bottom" by Spinal Tap. I know it's on Soundgarden's home video, but I haven't been able to find it on audio. If anyone could help me out, it'd be appreciated. Also....exactly who is in Mr. Bungle besides Mike Patton, and what instruments do they play? Flash. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: danzig To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 09:14:36 EST The Misfits are without a doubt one of the better early hardcore bands. I've got to admit that their stuff didn't appeal to me for a long time, since I hadn't gotten into their horror cliches yet (as far as horror went, I preferred the more depressing and gloomy Bauhaus). My early opinion of Misfits was based on stuff like "Teenagers From Mars," a great tune in it's own right, but I wasn't ready for it until later. I should mention a marginally interesting Misfits vignette. Jason, a pal of mine from NYC, used to push the Misfits on me (he liked 'em from the begin- ning). However, he got a little pissed off when at a CBGB show (I think), Mr. Misfit Guitarist Doyle got up behind him and sniffed his hair for the rest of the show. Don't ask me why, Jason figured the guy had some weird hair fetish, but personally I think Doyle is just your garden variety lunatic. The Misfits went through these 'stages:' punk rock, sci-fi punk, horror punk, and then total speed thrash. The Earth A.D./Wolf's Blood EP (definitely pure thrash) was my first sojourn into Danzig's head. I love this record to pieces, and it got me to reexamine the early stuff, which I learned to really like. You Metallica fans should note that the original "Green Hell" is on this record (the boys are big Misfits fans, from what I've seen). Nothing beats surfing with "Death Comes Ripping" running through the endless tape loop in your head. Nothing. > It seems to me that Glenn Danzig, unlike scotch, gets worse the > longer he ages. I find Danzig (the "band") quite boring. Well now, I must emphatically disagree. Danzig has gone metal, no doubt. The two Danzig albums are fucking great death-and-hell-oriented blues metal. There's nothing spectacular about individual pieces of the music (with the possible exception of Glenn's voice, which I find quite intense), but the synthesis is something else. Dank depressing dungeon rock. It makes me want to travel through deep forests at night and lop the heads off demons. Good stuff to read early "GrimJack" comics to. So Danzig has at least Two Thumbs Up from me. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: wherein Mr. Weenie discusses Grunge's Black October To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 15:53:13 EDT NIRVANA: Well, folks, we knew it was gonna happen, didn't we. But on this scale? It seems that are beloved grungedom is about to be overrun by AOR PR BS (an S.L.A.?). Witness what the November ish of _Details_ has to say about the beloved Bleach Boys: "Hard Corps: A new formula for DGC Records: bands with heavenly names but go-to-hell sentiments (who are the others?---me). Nirvana (press photo) make their major-label debut this month with _Nevermind_, a heavy-metal LP (sputter ---the Weenie) with punk energy and alternative-rock deviances (huh?---Gobber), from Devo-style industrial riffs to Manchester-esque grunge (did we listen to the same thing??---moi). Their first single, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" - a complaint against our generation's apathy (it is???---yo) - reverberates with a stadium-size intensity (I don't like the foreshadowing here.---Mr. Talkative). (Whoever-it-is goes on to talk about the Nymphs, this other band with a "heaven- ly name" I suppose, as more in the "true punk-rock tradition" coz the singer, "the female Axl," (barf) "tinkled" on her A&R man's desk. Ho hum. Fuckin' idiot reviewers.) MR. BUNGLE: Mr. Artiste who does _Beautiful Stories for Ugly Children_ (and the cover for Mr. Bungle) is Dave Louapre, I believe. Here is what _Details_ has to say: "On vacation from Faith No More, Mike Patton and five friends ditch melody and continuity for psychotic performance art. Patton's adroit, perverse mimicry of Ella Fitzgerald's scatting, Marvin Gaye's crooning, and Freddie Mercury's ope- ratic belting gets equal time in Mr. Bungle's musical blender with samples of snoring, vomiting, and _Godzilla_ (two out of three ain't bad---me). The deranged vocals perfectly match the band's carnival-madness instrumentals: ferocious ska saxophones and thrashing guitar rhythms. But in exploring the deepest recesses of his alter ego, Vlad Drac, Patton somehow fins it necessary to verbalize such sentiments as "squeeze me macaroni, slap your face with my baloney," making this otherwise impressive LP something of a frat boys' spe- cial." (Gotta make sure our readers now just how PC we are...---Mr. Obnoxious) SOUNDGARDEN: Those terminally hip reviewers at _Details_ ruminate thusly about _Badmotorfinger_: On their second LP (whoops!!!---me again), the Seattle band cranks the volume and makes its brand of grunge-metal accessible - even to those who don't par- ticularly like it. The thunder drums bludgeon, the monster guitars aggress (deary me!---me me me), and Chris Cornell wails lyrics (on "Jesus Christ Pose" [yeah, you just like the song title---you-know-who]) like "you're looking at me like I need to saved, sa-a-ved, say-eeved," while the babes line up, taking numbers (sounds like their Sub Pop PR---anonymous). _Badmotorfinger_ is all about the fury and the sound (how very literary---the avatar of Snideness): crafted, erected, and played into the ground. Who writes this shit??? Eric avera@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: danzig To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 09:07:34 EDT > The > Misfits, however, are one of the finer hardcore/punk/whatever combos to > emerge from the late 70s (at least musically speaking). Not that it means anything: they were billed, by CMJ, as THE American punk band. I'd say that's true, given my limited knowledge of punk. [very good discography deleted] As I'm sure EVERYONE knows, the last 2 tracks on Metallica's $5.98 EP are Misfits' covers. "Last Caress" was apparently the first Misfits single ever. Metallica, in it's greatness, doesn't even complete the song because Hetfield can't do Danzig's voice... > As you might see from the titles of the records, the lyrical > content was frequently horror related. Not exactly a band known for > its political cosciousness. Except for the song, "Bullet," which somehow ties JFK's death to masturbating :-) >As far as Danzig himself goes, there are a number of nasty stories told >about him, especially from former Misfits. Not that they were angels - when >I lived in California,a kid got brained by Doyle (the guitarist) at the Elite c > Club in San Francisco (1981) and had to be hospitalized. I've heard the same story as well. I guess there are 3 sanctions of the old Misfits: Danzig, Doyle (who now heads the band "Kryst the Konquerer" with Mo the Great -- old M. bassist -- different band with a different story), and the guy who leads the Undead (I can't remember his name, but he's trying to sue Danzig and Doyle for lost royalties). Apparently, they all hate each other. I've got a bunch of info on Doyle. He ran a big college radio promo scheme about 3 years ago. Sent us all Misfits picks (!), a flashlight, cool posters, and I even have 2 Doyle Fan Club cards (member #500something and 10000something :-). He and his brother run a garage in NJ. When we called to get an interview, we could hear people drilling and hammering in the background -- and it's kind of funny to hear his thick NJ accent. To make what's becoming a long story short, his new band sucks out loud, unfortunately. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont You can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a women's man, no time to talk... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Hard Ons To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 10:58:44 EDT Hey: I'm looking for Hard-Ons info. Are they producing? What else can I get on CD other than "Love is a Battlefield?" ("You're a Tease," is the BEST). Now that I no longer get new music info in a timely matter, I have no idea what they're up to. Anyone? Also, I just noticed that the riff from Skan Yird's "Through Nothing" has appeared at the top of the charts as "Enter Sandman." -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont You can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a women's man, no time to talk... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: xtra nirv To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 12:52:32 EDT > >> also, whassup with that "fake" 20min song at end of Nevermind. > >> weird eh? |-) > Yeah, someone wanna fill this in? What are you all talking about? I have no > such problem/feature with my cd. Whoa. I thought everyone had this. On my CD, after "Something in the Way," the disk goes silent, until roughly 13:51 of the same track, the boys come back on, doing something VERY heavy, fuzzed, and not too good. I can give a better description, if you want. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont You can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a women's man, no time to talk... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: calling all Sndgrdn. fans... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 15:53:19 EDT > Curious to know where I could get an audio copy of Soundgarden > doing a version of "Big Bottom" by Spinal Tap. I know it's on > Soundgarden's home video, but I haven't been able to find it on > audio. If anyone could help me out, it'd be appreciated. I've got it on a special live CD which they sent out after Loud Love. It's called "Louder than Live." I think they also did a cover of Earache My Eye (Cheech and Chong) on that as well, though I may be confused. If you want that song -- or the rest of the disk -- on tape, let me know. > Also....exactly who is in Mr. Bungle besides Mike Patton, and > what instruments do they play? I haven't heard ANYONE answer this question, and I'd like to know too. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont You can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a women's man, no time to talk... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STRAIGHT OUTA DAHLGREN Subject: P.E./Anthrax To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 16:04:44 EDT I missed the show when it came to D.C. (and thus I assume I will sleep through the Second Coming), but from what I hear, Primus played first, followed by Anthrax and then P.E. Speaking of the Enemy, anybody got any opinion on the new album yet? I was pretty disappointed, myself (though I still wish now that I'd gone to see them). /jason -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: reeves%CS.UCLA.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Fear To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 13:36:18 PDT I followed Fear around for a few years way back when. They were indeed a full-time band before Lee got into acting, but never got it together enough to make the band into a full-time profession. I think that Spit was actually the first actor in the band (he was an extra.) Of course, everybody outhere is either an actor or working on a screenplay. Lee was a bartender at Donte's (jazz club) before Fear, and had connections to the `legit' music biz. He also played harp with Top Jimmy a few times, and had a band called Rangewar (country punk) after Fear broke up. All of the guys had day jobs and the combination of Lee's acting career and Belushi's death broke the band. Philo got a physics degree from UCLA and used to work for a defense contractor in the valley (one of the old regulars in r.m.m worked with him.) Philo and Derf treated the band as a joke and were genuinely suprised when they became semi-successful. They also distanced themselves from the `scene' and never saw themselves as a part of the p-rock community/movement/political thang. Derf split after Belushi died, and their big break evaporated. The band stumbled along for a few years after that, first with Flea on bass (before the RHCPs) and then the guy from the Dickies (Laslo?) who played on _More Beer_. The band never toured except for a couple of trips to SF, once out to Arizona, and the two shows in New York when they did Sat. Night Live. In their legacy, you have to balance their incredible musican/showmanship with the redneck (homophobic, mysgonistic) mentality of the lyrics and stage banter. --John -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick_Waara.WBST129%XEROX.COM@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: mini-grunge fest, well, kinda To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 13:46:56 PDT >Pat you were in Hunger Artist? I've herd of them. I specifically remember >being at a WBNY Battle of the Bands and there were a whole bunch of trendy >punk chicks of about age 16 complaining that the wrong Hunger Artist was >playing. They wanted to see the HC band from Rachacha. 8) Yeah, it was kind of funny. Here we thought we had a relatively obscure name picked from a Franz Kafka short story. Come to find out there were three other bands with that name *in NY alone*! As far as I know, nobody ever came to one of our shows expecting to see someone else though. As far as kids at the shows go, we used to do as many all ages shows as possible. Kids at shows I think is great. Kids with *attitudes* at shows alternate between annoying and amusing depending on my mood. For a while there we were getting a lot of kids with huge attitudes who only wanted to slam and fight and didn't give a shit about the music. That's when I started getting disallusioned with the hardcore scene. It's not as trendy now as it was, so things seem a little cooler now. >If you see anyone there that is ugly, it is probably me. Gee, I don't know. Have you taken a good look at Joe lately? ;-) Just kidding, Joe. ~Pat I will not piss off my host I will not piss off my host I will not piss off my host ... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Re: wherein Mr. Weenie discusses Grunge's Black October To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 17:41:45 EDT Why do you even bother to read details? 8) Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu - hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm -- -- rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Danzig To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 17:44:27 EDT Chip- The Undead Guy was Bobby Steele, who played on some early singles; some of the Undead singles are still floating around, for what it's worth, as is a German compilation of all three of them called "Never Say Die" or something like that. They also released an LP recently which was panned in the punk press... Any ideas out there about what happened to Robo?? Any diehard Misfits or Black Flag fans have a clue?? Volker -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: discography To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 17:47:59 EDT Is there a list policy against discographies?? If so, will the rob doing the T&G discography please contact me? Thanks, Volker RADAVFS@UBE.UB.UMD.EDU -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STOLTZ PETER Subject: Re: xtra nirv To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 15:51:03 -0600 *MY* Nirvana disk does not have the "extra" track, but I figure it could be that I have an old CD player that just doesn't want to track it. Hey, XB, bring your disk up to the Fluid show and let me try it in my CD player. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Fear To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 17:54:43 EDT Caught a very late incarnation of Fear at the Mabuhay Gardens in 1984 - I didn't recognize anyone in the band from the Decline, and hardly recognized old Lee himself, who had a ponytail and a goattee, Paul Reubens styly The opening band was the Dicks, so it was worth the five bucks. It certainly wasn't too exciting to watch Lee (looking bored) mumble off "fag" jokes and AIDS jokes in SF> What an idjit!! Fear-The Album is, nevertheless a sound investment... Volker -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: Stooges - Grunge's Golden Gates To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 14:40:44 EST > After listening to the Stooges' "Raw Power" last night, it reaffirmed > my conviction that this album exemplifies all there is to Grunge in particular > and Rock and Roll in general "Raw Power" is indeed a Killer Album. I have it on tape and particularly enjoy blasting it out my windows for the neighbors' benefit. I just picked up the (first?) Stooges album "Funhouse" on CD at a recent record show for $8 new. Have yet to listen to the whole thing, but I'm sure it's great. I'll tell you what I think after checking it out. Ron "Broke on bootleg CDs" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: mini-grunge fest, well, kinda To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 14:29:06 PDT > > > The last band I was in (Hunger Artist) was defintely straight ahead hardcore. > > > > Pat you were in Hunger Artist? I've herd of them. I specifically remember > being at a WBNY Battle of the Bands and there were a whole bunch of trendy > punk chicks of about age 16 complaining that the wrong Hunger Artist was > playing. They wanted to see the HC band from Rachacha. 8) > I think I remember hearing of Hunger Artist when I lived in Syracuse. You don't, at least I didn't, hear of too many band from Rochester. They (or you Pat) played at a party I went to a couple of years ago. They were loading out into their van when I got there, but I heard good things! That party was at the "Goth House". A bunch of young gothic punks lived there. Their phone number was 472-GOTH. That always cracked me up. john -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty" Subject: Re: xtra nirv To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 17:29:52 -0600 >well my CD (player?) says Nevermind is 60+ min long and the last >song is 20+. it plays for about 2, 10 min of silence, more geetar >for 2min, more mins of silence, then the end. >oh no! now I am worried is my CD fried? does anyone else have >this problem or is it a collector edition?? >help. My copy has an initial song, about 13 minutes of silence and then 5 or six minutes of pretty cool noise. I'm pretty sure there were vocals, but I am not at this point positive. This is in fact the second CD I have with this "feature". The other one is Freedy Johnston's *Trouble Tree* CD, on which the last track is structured almost identically. soren -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Jarvinen Subject: show review - The Cynics To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 20:50:20 EDT Caught my third and best so-far Cynics show last night. There are three signs I have found that tell you you just saw an awesome rock-n-roll show: 1) you walk out drenched in sweat (obvious one), 2) after the show your necklace is on backwards, and 3) you wake up the next day and your neck hurts worse than the hangover. All 3 conditions were met last night. But first, a few words about the opening band, Gone In Sixty Seconds (or GISS as they are known to their affectionate fans). After seeing them open for scores of great bands, I wonder why they keep at it. They are a decent band, can play their instruments competently, but they are just plain boring. They have a singl out on Get-Hip, perhaps it is better than their live act. The highlight of their set was when they segued into a bit of "Great White Buffalo," something I'd only ever seen the Nuge himself do live. (Ted Nugent is one of the gonzo godfathers of most of the music discussed on this list). Then the Cynics came on and kicked out two hours of prime jams. They don't tour with a keyboard like they have on their records before the "Rock-n-Roll" LP. Jus a bass, a drummer, one guitar, and an incredible bundle of energy named Michael I think who is their lead singer and has one of the best screams I've ever heard coming from a stage. He only picked up the harmonica one time though. The great thing about Cynics shows is that they play fast garage-rock. Not hardcore, and n slowish Sub-Pop songs. So there is no reason to slam around for no good reason. The people at the front at a Cynics show, including more attractive women than I've ever seen in a 'pit' before, are there to dance like there's no tomorrow, grinning from ear to ear with the pure joy of moving your feet, knees, ass, arms and head all at the same time, without having some stupid drunk motherfucker pus you into someone else just for the fuck of it, all while a kick-ass one-guitar band pump out 3:30 blasts of energy five feet in front of you. Not as good as sex, but as close as you can get without drugs. One of the women there has seen the Flaming Lips no less than 15 times, and the Original Sins twice, and I was in total awe until her boyfrien showed up. Speaking of the Flaming Lips, I have discovered that they have been signed to Warner Brothers. What's next, hearing Nirvana on commercial radio? Yes, that is next. Anyway, a friend of mine in Chicago met someone from Oklahoma at a record store who know the Lips, and she reports that WB is going to re-release "In A Priest Driven Ambulance (With Silver Sunshine Smiles)?" and Wayne and the boys are supposedly holed-up in a studio recording a new single right now. But when I asked the phone-answer person at WB about this she said they were only schedul to release something vaguely next year. When I pressed her on this she said "may in March." At least being on Warner Brothers should lead them to tour more often Last week I received some very bad news when I tried to purchase a Nirvana w/ Ur Overkill ticket and was informed that it was sold-out. I guess I should have lea my lesson when Mudhoney sold out the same venue a month ago. (Thank Jah for Gues Lists!). But it doesn't bother me much anymore because the crowd will be full of people who have heard Nirvana on this insipid "alternative" station that panders the worst of alternateen hell. The other day I heard Nirvana sandwiched in betwe the Cure and Depeche. Gag me. Oh well, at least they have money and they will ke putting out wonderful CDs and I will be much smarter and buy my ticket far in ad for their next tour. It amazes me how many fans of the wonderful music we discuss here have never lis to the Stooges and the Velvet Underground. Stop buying the latest cool new relea for one week and check out these two bands. "The Stooges" is the 1st LP to featu one Jimmy Osterberg, the Igg-man, Mister Pop-a-rama, the Iggster, the World's forgotten boy, the one who first applied the phrase search and destroy to rock m "1969", "I Wanna Be Yr (where do you think Sonic Youth learned how to spell 'Yr' "No Fun", "Real Cool Time" still destroy hordes of weenies who seek to immitate As for the Velvet Underground, no one else quite encapsulated the angst that is of being alive quite as well as Lou Reed before he did it. And although Steppenw were the first to sing about heavy-metal thunder and most people think of Led Ze the firstest with the heaviest, Motorhead, Metallica, and the Melvins to name bu few might not be able to create what they do if it weren't for Black Sabbath. Pl them at 78 speed and you might see God or die laughing to Cheech-n-Chong records but play them at 33 and you will begin to have a real grunge education. Finally, does anyone have a release date for the next L7 songs to be shared with public? Here is what I know they have put out to date: A 45 on Sub-Pop An appearance on some kind of SST compilation before that One song on an all-female Teriyaki Asthma 45 from C/Z I think The incredible "Smell the Magic" EP A CD version of the EP, with three extra songs - which ones are they, and are t songs from above entries in this mini discography? (And did anyone tape their radio broadcast that was mentioned here). -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dana Buoniconti Subject: MR. BUNGLE To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 23:48:50 EST Can anyone please identify the members of Mr. Bungle (besides Mike Patton) and tell me what instrument(s) they play? This would be most appreciated, as I have never been able to find out who the members are. DB. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: xtra nirv To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 10:07:23 +0200 Superchunk ---Excuse my ignarance, but could ya let me know whether this band is from USA or UK? Gotta have 'em, t -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: show review - The Cynics To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 10:32:29 +0200 Here is what I know they (L7) have put out to date: A 45 on Sub-Pop An appearance on some kind of SST compilation before that One song on an all-female Teriyaki Asthma 45 from C/Z I think The incredible "Smell the Magic" EP A CD version of the EP, with 3 extra songs ---In addition to these they have released untitled lp on Epitaph records. I have a copy, si don't tell me there's no such thing... Heard int'g things about Bad Religion..., t -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Richard Subject: Re: show review - The Cynics (Really L7) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 04:57:49 PDT From: Brian Jarvinen Subject: show review - The Cynics Finally, does anyone have a release date for the next L7 songs to be shared with public? Here is what I know they have put out to date: A 45 on Sub-Pop An appearance on some kind of SST compilation before that One song on an all-female Teriyaki Asthma 45 from C/Z I think The incredible "Smell the Magic" EP A CD version of the EP, with three extra songs - which ones are they, and are t songs from above entries in this mini discography? (And did anyone tape their radio broadcast that was mentioned here). Ok, here's everything I know about L7 recordings. Self titled? LP (Chameleon) around '88 I think. I don't have a song list for this cause I don't have a copy. I only know it e4xists from interviews w/the band. supposedly very poorly distributed.(If anyone knows where I can find a copy, write) 7" single (Sub-Pop) '90 Shove b/w Packing a Rod Smell the Magic EP (Sub-Pop) '90 Shove, Fast and Frightening, Right on Thru Deathwish, Till the Wheels Fall Off, Broomstick City of L.A. Power comp. LP (Flipside) '91 American Society The Big One comp. CD (Flipside) '91 CD version adds most of CoLAP incl. American Society Smell the Magic CD (Sub-Pop) '91 Three additional tracks: Packing a Rod, Just Like Me, American Society (I believe Just Like Me is otherwise unreleased.) I don't know about any new releases from them (sigh...) But Donita did tell me when they were up here a couple weeks ago that they were going into the studio to record some stuff when they got back to LA. Presumably this will come out on Slash to whom they have been signed for a couple months now. Now a couple questions of my own. When did the Teriaki Asthma 45 come out, is it still avaialable, what song did they do? (For t Viikari) Can you give us some details about this Epitaph LP? Dates? Is it possible this is a re-release of their first (Chameleon) LP? What's on it? Also, I once heard on a local (college) radio station an L7 song called Uncle Bob but I was unable to find out where it came from. Anyone know? While I'm on the subject of L7, I wanted to mention to DougO re: the Berkeley Square show: Yeah, that was probably the worst show I've ever seen them give. Jennifer's equipment troubles certainly contributed to this but there also seemed to be a negative attitude hanging over the whole place, fucking everybody up. Anyway, maybe you ought to give them another chance, maybe in another venue. One last comment. I remember thinking while looking a the crowd outside their sold out Kennel Club show, that the way things were going, pretty soon I would have to pay $20 and crowd into the Warfield just to see them. Well guess what happened last week? They were added to the bill of the Nirvana/Sister Double Happiness show at the Warfield on the 26th. (sigh). Still only $13 though and it should be a helluva show. -wjr- My other .sig is funnier -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Re: MR. BUNGLE To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 09:14:46 EDT Dana (M or F) sez: > Can anyone please identify the members of Mr. Bungle (besides > Mike Patton) and tell me what instrument(s) they play? This > would be most appreciated, as I have never been able to find > out who the members are. > They are who they are... as listed on the MR. BUNGLE CD. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu - hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm -- -- rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: xtra nirv To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 09:25:16 EDT sorenski and Xbish (I think) say: >>well my CD (player?) says Nevermind is 60+ min long and the last >>song is 20+. it plays for about 2, 10 min of silence, more geetar >My copy has an initial song, about 13 minutes of silence and >then 5 or six minutes of pretty cool noise. I'm pretty sure there >were vocals, but I am not at this point positive. This is in fact the >second CD I have with this "feature". The other one is Freedy >Johnston's *Trouble Tree* CD, on which the last track is structured >almost identically. Ack. Not on mine. Is this some sort of product defect, a fluke, some sort of special edition thing, a joke, or the result of cheap cd players? I have no such thing on mine, and my cd player is definitely far from being top of the line, although it's a 4x oversampler. Nope nope nope. Egads. I see great potential for collectoritis to set in. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not make fun of the president's dress. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Re: xtra nirv To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 09:19:06 EDT > Superchunk > USA or UK? > USA. North Carolina to be more specific, Chapel Hill, NC the be even more specific, if I am correct. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu - hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm -- -- rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: L7 on Epitaph To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 09:43:18 EDT Brian Jarperson and then t sez: >> Here is what I know they (L7) have put out to date: >---In addition to these they have released untitled lp on Epitaph records. >I have a copy, si don't tell me there's no such thing... L7 have signed to Epitaph (at least for one LP) and although it's out in Europe, it probably won't be available here until the end of the month. So it exists, but us gringos can't get it yet. A review of this would be down-right appreciated. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I w-w-w-will n-n--not s-st-s-ss-stutter... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Danzig To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 08:47:48 EDT > The Undead Guy was Bobby Steele, who played on some early singles; > some of the Undead singles are still floating around, for what it's worth, > as is a German compilation of all three of them called "Never Say Die" or > something like that. They also released an LP recently which was panned > in the punk press... Thank you! I couldn't remember his name to save my life. Anyway, I guess he spedns a lot of his time telling people about how he was kicked out of the band and asking to play at the NMS in NYC but never getting a chance because it's all a conspiricy and... > Any ideas out there about what happened to Robo?? Any diehard > Misfits or Black Flag fans have a clue?? I THINK Robo is now "Mo the Great," and plays with Doyle in "Kryst the Konquerer." -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont You can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a women's man, no time to talk... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: wherein Mr. Weenie discusses Grunge's Black October To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 09:08:03 EDT > Their first single, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" - a > complaint against our generation's apathy You know, if this guy found it so easy to both figure out the lyrics AND understand them, I wish he'd done the rest of the album. > Who writes this shit??? I don't think I could have done a better job at PARODYING a music review. Wait, is Details that MEN'S magazine they've been advertising on TV lately? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont You can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a women's man, no time to talk... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re:xtra nirv To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 11:07:56 EDT Well, don't let the quality of your CD player be to blame. I, too, have the long xtra song, and my player was a 99.- Luskin's special... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Sampson x20644 R12-2019 134385" Subject: L7 Radio Broadcast ... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 08:17:35 PDT Yeah, I taped the L7 radio broadcast. I haven't really listened to the tape yet but the quality is almost surely not so good. I counted around six or seven songs, mostly _Smell The Magic_ material with one song I did not recognize. Also some dialogue between the band and the radio station guys. KXLU is a college radio station (Loyola) and L7 was there to help them raise cash. Sort of like what happens on PBS. e-mail me if you want to know more. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dana Buoniconti Subject: MR. BUNGLE...AGAIN.... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 11:24:42 EST Hey. Was wondering if you could help me out. I'm a big Faith No More fan and was wondering if it was worth the $15 to buy Mr. Bungle on CD? Also, exactly who is in Mr. Bungle? I know Mike is Vlad Drac...but I don't know any of the other's real names or the instruments they play. Are there any other guys from FNM in Mr. B? I haven't been able to find their real names in any magazines or articles. And are the other members of Mr. B in any bands that are popular or are they just local bands from San Fran?I hope that you might be able to answer some of these questions. There's enough of them here! Thank you. DB p.s. Any news on when the next FNM album comes out....I heard fall, but then it got changed to Christmas/early '92. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Re: MR. BUNGLE...AGAIN.... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 12:08:32 EDT > Was wondering if you could help me out. I'm a big Faith No More > fan and was wondering if it was worth the $15 to buy Mr. Bungle > on CD? Also, exactly who is in Mr. Bungle? I know Mike is Vlad > Drac...but I don't know any of the other's real names or the > instruments they play. Are there any other guys from FNM in Mr. B? > I haven't been able to find their real names in any magazines or > articles. And are the other members of Mr. B in any bands that > are popular or are they just local bands from San Fran?I hope > that you might be able to answer some of these questions. There's > enough of them here! > MR. BUNGLE is Mike Patton's first band which he also plays with. The is no other corelation between FAITH NO MORE and MB that I know of. I think the album is well worth it, and I am not a big John Zorn fan (Zorn produced it). If anything, it is worh it for the song "Girls of porn" (I think that is the title. Buy the CD and find out. > p.s. Any news on when the next FNM album comes out....I heard fall, > but then it got changed to Christmas/early '92. > News to me. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu - hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm -- -- rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: Fear To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 09:18:52 EST > "I [love] livin' in the city" too....... ';-) BWAHH HAH HAH! I love livin' in the city where junk is king and the air smells shitty People puking everywhere, piles of blood, scabs and hair Bodies wasted in the street, [blah blah don't remember this line blah] But the suburban scumbags, they don't care Just get fat and dye their hair, but I love livin' in the city ... My house smells just like the zoo, it's chock full of shit and puke Cockroaches on the walls, crabs on my balls Oh, but I'm so clean-cut I just wanna fuck some slut, 'cause I love livin' in the city If you don't have this album (FEAR, the 1st one) get it now! I practically pissed myself with laughter thinking of the lyrics typing this in. > [Some buddy of Eric-da-weenie] said that Lee was an actor *first*, > singer second Guess that explains why Lee is in practically every screwy movie, which cracks me up whenever I catch him. Oh yeah, what was that movie where Jello Biafra did the cameo as the cop? Nobody else knew why I laughed so hard at that scene. Ron "Disconnected" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: wherein Mr. Weenie discusses Grunge's Black October To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 09:54:11 EST [Eric-da-Weenster's excellent commentary on the critic's grunge critique deleted] Just goes to show you, nothing can make one angrier than a fucking critic. Wasn't Dread Zeppelin going to do a Tommy-takeoff about some dude who couldn't make it in the music biz who becomes a music critic? Personally, I take the Plasmatics' approach: drop a TV on their heads or blow up their Cadillacs on stage ;) . Ron "Wendy O's Secret Lust Object" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: MR. BUNGLE To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 09:45:11 PDT > > Can anyone please identify the members of Mr. Bungle (besides > Mike Patton) and tell me what instrument(s) they play? This > would be most appreciated, as I have never been able to find > out who the members are. > > DB. > Ok, since I seem to be the only one on this list who knows the big secret, I'll let you in on it, but lets keep it within the list. ok? Vocals: Mike Patton Guitar: Al DiMeola Lead Guitar & Bass: The Smothers Brothers Drums: I forget his name, but he used to drum for the Muppets. Backing Vocals: Ella Fitzgerald and Johnny Depp Keyboards: Fred Gwynn Men on Train: Soupy Sales and Nipsy Russell Man in Bathroom: Don Knotts "Don't F'n Look at Me!": Dennis Hopper There! You guys satisfied?! I apologize to those whos names I may have misspelled. john -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: Re: MR. BUNGLE To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 12:13:07 -0500 oh.. the drums were animal.. the little red furry guy who always screamed (i heard eh's also backing vocals) ad zoot played the sax with Zampfir on the pan flute. FRANKLblah blah I hate having no backspace key... FRANKenChRSIT leper@judy.indstate.edu well, you get the point. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: MR. BUNGLE To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 13:51:17 EDT > Drums: I forget his name, but he used to drum for the Muppets. ANIMAL (using the proper voice, of course). -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont You can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a women's man, no time to talk... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: That extra tune... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 14:34:28 EDT I'm listening to that tune which appears at the end of the 20 minute version of "Somthing In the Way" at the end of some our disks. To describe: The opening riff is ALOT like Tad's "Wood Goblins", even more distorted. After the riffage, they bop into something more melodic. It cuts back and forth between the 2 until is collapses into a bunch of feedback. It last from about 13:50 'till roughly 20:34. So, almost 7 minutes of nothing special. No one with Hard Ons info? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont You can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a women's man, no time to talk... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: radavfs%UBE.BITNET%SNOOPY.MSC.CORNELL.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Cat Butt To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 14:46:46 EDT Rob- glad you liked the discog. I will write about doing the label one day when I have a quiet day at the desk. I thought I'd do it last Sunday, but certain class projects were due, so all the procrastinators (of which I always considered myself a member) swamped the library. The Cat Butt tale is very sordid. Cat Butt, initially, consisted of David Duet (v), Jon-Michael Amerika(rg), James Burdyshaw(lg), Tom Price(bs), and Charlie Ryan(dr). The last two were onloan from the U-Men; they were just helping out until a regular rhythm section could be found. They played a few clubs in Seattle, got a great response. They added Dean Gunderson(bs) and Eric Pedersen(dr). At this point they were still just into getting riotously fucked up and playing sloppy but lively sets. Along comes Volker, offers a single. Critical acclaim notwithstanding, we had a hard time selling all 1000. Now they sell in Goldmine for $30.-! Somewhere around here, J-M. Amerika is fired for being a junkie and not showing up to practices etc. He is replaced by one Danny Bland, from the Best Kissers of the World. Bland tells everyone else that Sub Pop can give them a much better deal. Bruce & Jon(Sub Pop) chime in with promises of European or Australian tours. The old Carrot on the Stick works every time, so Cat Butt does their 12" on Sub Pop. In retrospect, I'm relieved, because the record stinks... After a brief national tour with L7,(half the dates were cancelled due to booking problems), they broke up due to a common problem: too many egos for one band! David split to Houston(his hometown), Dean went to the Evergreen State College down in Olympia, Danny went back to the Best Kissers, and James and Eric formed Yummy, who also broke up recently, after releasing a few interesting tracks on comps. Phew! All for now, not much more to tell... Cheers, Volker -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Faith? To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 14:48:13 EDT How many of you Faith no more fans are aware of the fact that they were Joe Pop-o-pie's back up band for one record??? Volker -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andy%SLCS.SLB.COM@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: pearl jam To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 14:22:03 CDT Has anyone seen these guys? I saw them on Wednesday, and they were one of the best bands I've ever seen. I've seen a pretty large number of shows, and this simply was the best one. I wasn't expecting them to be that great. I know I'm not saying much about the show itself. Suffice to say it was well worth the four bucks. My friends went to the in-store (I had a midterm) and got my cd signed. Anyway, go see them! I saw them in Austin, Texas. andy@slcs.slb.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Avera Subject: I ain't a Supreme Court candidate, but here's my defense... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 15:46:56 EDT All right, I've gotten ribbed (with lubricant) (Lubricated Goat?) a bit about the _Details_ thing: "Why do you even bother to read details? 8)" ----Jon "the grass is always greener on the other side of the hill" "Wait, is Details that MEN'S magazine they've been advertising on TV lately?" ----Chip "Tad's wood goblin" Yeah, okay okay. Why do I read it? 'Cause I got a sub for free. (They do have some pretty neat stuff sandwiched in between the GQ photo spreads and the shockingly alternative record reviews: Bruce Sterling did a cool writeup of a hacker's convention last month, this month features Japanese speed freaks (not the drug, you bad people, you) cum yakuza; plus mondo-weird Hollywood surrealist fotocomix in the back. Not too bad if it's free.) As for whether it's on TV, "Why do you even bother to watch TV?" (to paraphrase Jon). Just kidding, Chipster. The only reason I haven't been glued to the tube myself is that I'm waiting 'til the free cable connection deal rolls around again. ':) .....and as for grunge classix, don't forget Janice "the Lips" (before they were Flaming), gueetarist for the Muppet house band..... Eric "I have bad luck with bartenders.....CUZ IT'S HOT!" avera@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Details To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 14:56:01 EST [Nestle'] Chip asks: > Wait, is Details that MEN'S magazine they've > been advertising on TV lately? Whoa, mama! So long as they have the gory pubic details, maybe I'll have to seek this out myself. No, I didn't mean "public," I _meant_ "pubic." Sorry ladies ;) Waitaminit, does that mean Details has MEN'S 'Details?' Chip, you've utterly confused me. Ron "Smartass" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Russ Poldrack Subject: Sebadoh To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 15:50:14 CDT Sebadoh played here last night, at the marvelously small Blind Pig. They went on at about 10, and there were probably no more than 20 people in the room. These guys really rocked. I had heard their first two records and was expecting nice pretty acoustic things. Instead I got some of the fastest grungiest and yet prettiest tunes I have ever heard. They miraculously translate their godlike songwriting into really great hard tunes. Lou had this great Mu-Tron Phasor pedal that he would stomp on for the best hyper-mega distortion that I have heard in a long time. I guess they played for almost an hour, and the crowd, while very small, was very appreciative. I think they slept on my friend Newell's couch, so maybe I'll have more fun Sebadoh gossip to relate. I bought their single "Gimme Indie Rock" which is really cool. Has anyone listened to the newest album, Sebadoh III? Russ stuck out in the cornfields -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: I ain't a Supreme Court candidate, but here's my defense... To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 17:12:51 EDT > "Wait, is Details that MEN'S magazine they've > been advertising on TV lately?" > ----Chip "Tad's wood goblin" All I know is that you saved yourself some SERIOUS hassling from me by adding your editorials to the review. Had I thought you had taken the review seriously...I may have just FLAMED you like it was going out of style. Truthfully, I found it quite amusing. So, are you going to post the "Cross Country with Nicholas Cage" article soon? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont You can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a women's man, no time to talk... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Details To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 17:19:16 EDT > [Nestle'] Chip asks: Always food. > > Wait, is Details that MEN'S magazine they've > > been advertising on TV lately? > Whoa, mama! So long as they have the gory pubic details, maybe I'll > have to seek this out myself. No, I didn't mean "public," I _meant_ "pubic." > Sorry ladies ;) Waitaminit, does that mean Details has MEN'S 'Details?' > Chip, you've utterly confused me. The adverstisement struck me as a mag for young urban professional men. No skin, as far as I could tell. Certainly, the antithesis of grunge. Personally, if I had been Eric, I probably woulda' said that I'd read the reviews in some really obscure European underground rock review mag :-) -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont You can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a women's man, no time to talk... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Cat Butt To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 17:43:44 EDT In my initial message to Rob about Cat Butt I forgot one crucial anecdote. Apparently, James of the by-then-established Cat Butt had decided that he was going to ask the then-new Mudhoney to open up for them. He had hemmed and hawed about it for some time, and when the Touch Me single came out, he came over to my pad and asked to hear it, having heard all of the hype. After I played him both sides, he was silent for a minute or two and said (rather dejectedly, I might add) "I guess those guys won't want to open up for us anymore" Interestingly enough, Mudhoney did open up for the Derelicts a few months after this happened... Volker -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rader Subject: Pop-O-Pie To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 17:02:08 EST > How many of you Faith no more fans are aware of the fact that they > were Joe Pop-o-pie's back up band for one record??? Wow! Not me! I thought the Pop-O-Pies were way-cool... Ron "Be Nice" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ramaley%CSLI.STANFORD.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Jello B.'s cameo To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 15:25:55 -0700 Jello showed up in 'Tapeheads'. The two main characters had just ruined a corrupt politician's career by showing an X-rated video with said politico on National TV. So the FCC comes by, as none other than Mr. Biafra, and says, "we're going to do the same to you as Jello Biafra", or something along those lines. The conclusion? Mr. Biafra has a martyr complex, but he can still churn out some good records ("Tumor Circus"'s first single, for example). -- Alan Aitken Ramaley (415) 326-9546, P. O. Box 9217, Stanford, CA 94309 Favorite Otter Pop Flavor: Sir Isaac Lime -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: MekonHuskerTrulyDuMould To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1991 18:19:50 EDT Pleasantries, Volker mentions: >Did somebody mention the Mekons? I understand that most of the material >from their long-out-of-print (and excellent!) 1st LP ("The Quality of >Mercy...") is now available on CD; this is still my least favorite format, >but this stuff is worth getting! Give "Rosanne" a listen... Volker There's a pretty big article on The Mekons and the release of their 11th (or maybe it was 13th album) _Curse of the Mekons_. It details much of their band history and spotty releases, and the label problems they've had. Would you believe I've only heard their music once? I can type in some details from the mag if anyone wants them. I was also thinking of posting the review therein of the Rein Sanction album, so y'all can compare it to my drivel (actually, I think their review is lame). >Since someone asked, a few words on Seattle combo Love & Respect. They >[...stuff deleted] >Respect Record." oth are on Penultimate Records (my humble business venture), >and the LP is available from several distributors. Bug your record store, or >contact me here with your addres and I can send >s and I can send you some info via email. Actually, I don't think making record sources known is against the spirit of the list. I'd be interested in information about Penultimate stuff. I post addresses to all sorts of mail order companies, so it seems all the better if someone on the list is involved. --------------------------------------- DougOramalamadingdong exclaims: >What Grant Hart album? You mean Nova Mob? I've heard one song ("Andmiral >of the North" or something) and was impressed, but never got around to >checking out the album... It could be Grant's solo effort _Intolerance_ or the single _2541_, both of which I thought sucked even more than Bob Mould's _Workbook_. Guess I'm a die-hard Husker fan, but we those guys start with the acoustic love-sick crooning, I turn off. Mould is playing locally tonight, if I break down and see him I'll try to post a review. --------------------------------------- The big list boss dude Jon sez: >BTW I saw the ScUmB PoOP is releasing a 7" by Truly I forgot when. Actually, at least through mail order they're only doing a CD5. No vinyl. :( I mentioned how the lack of vinyl was pissing me off in my last order, and I may have to write some sort of bomb-threat note next. I just don't find the CD format to be that great for singles. And $7 for a couple songs... geez. Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: ObGrungeTalkage To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1991 18:36:03 EDT Hey there, Brian Jarvinen asks: >Hey, does anyone know what happened to Restless Records, and >the whole family of labels run by Enigma Entertainment? I tried I thought that all the Enigma sub-labels went asunder with Enigma, but I see ads from Metal Blade and Restless in the latest mags I've looked through. I think someone on the list mentioned a signing to Restless as well, and I'm seeing lots of re-releases on that label. Anyone have further details? The only advice I could give is to keep looking, since it looks like they're still about. ------------------------------------- Then J. Exbert bubbles: >I could EASILY see the Fluid on DGeff and >plan on talking to JOhn about it a bunch oct12. but the majors >dont seem to be courting the Fluid, JOhn is initiating everything. Well, today is the 12th, so I hope to hear some good poop (I'd really like to hear a quote from Jon along the lines of "Funny thing you mentioned them, we just signed for $500,000 the other day...") >London records prez directly told John if they had some >acoustic or ballds songs a deal cuold be worked out. That's always a bad thing to hear. From what little I've heard of the new Meat Puppets, it sounds like they've kept control over their sound, 'cause the new one seems to be pretty much in the same direction they've been going. >p.s. talk about coincidences. um, the "Fluid" are not playing >boulder oct12. sorry to misinform. but a VERY SIMILAR band under >the name of NirvOnGeff ARE playing oct12 in boulder. hint hint. Okay, so I forgot this. So instead of Fluid news, let's here a show review about them Nirvy boyz... ------------------------------------- Jon the mon stutters: >Secondly, I would >suggest having Rob send his def of grunge to that person with a header saying >something to the effect that what he is sending is a premade file and that it >is by no means the end of subject, but just an way of giving the subscriber >the idea of what grunge could be. Well, I can try to work on this sometime during the week. Someone proposed some changes to the lexicon thing (could whomever did please email me a copy directly? Thanks.) but I meant that to be silly and non-serious so I'd rather not see it used as a charter. I'll try to whip something up with the help of E the Weenie this endweek and I'l throw it out to y'all and hope for good feedback. I want to touch up the lexicon thing as well, so maybe we can mail out copies of both to each new subscriber? Sound reasonable? ------------------------------------- Timmy Hogbitch Williams states: >Also, notice I said "this week." What is so beautiful about underground >music is that there is so much out there. By next week, I could >discover a whole new group of incredible bands. This is exactly why I won't even bother trying to post something like a top ten. I mention things that are currently spending more time on deck than the others, but that's about it. I have been collecting all the top tens but I think that they do change pretty quickly, and many of the "non-grunge" ones, if mentioned to new subscribers, might confuse them. Although we talk about a lot of types of music here, I'd hate to see it become less focused. >Here's another idea: each time you post something >on the list, include the name of a band or record that you especially >like and recommend. Tell me what you think. I think this is a great idea. I'll try to remember to close out all my stupid little mumblings with the group and album I most recently listened to that fits into the grunge theme. There might be repeats, but what the hey? ------------------------------------- ObGrungeRecommendation: Godflesh "Slavestate" EP. Sure, it's almost disco, and I still don't think it grinds as much as Eric does, but it's still fantastic. I like the new direction, but I hope they turn up the mix on the geetars and vocals next time (like maybe having some). Rob -- I will not share heroin with my housecats. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael J. Booth" Subject: Hard Ons To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1991 18:20:28 CDT Chip asked for Hard On info. I don't have much, but here it is: I was in the UK a week ago and they were playing in London, unfortunately on the day I was leaving. There was a small review (which maybe I kept -- I'll look) which said that they were touring in support of their new album. But I haven't seen the album, so maybe I'm wrong. I've been reading this list for a couple of months. Yesterday I baptized (bankrupted?) myself by purchasing Bleach and Broc's Cabin. Frankly, I was a bit surprised. I was expecting something different, though I'm not sure what. I guess after reading so much about Bleach, I expected to have an orgasm when the needle hit the table. Anyway, I've only listened to the first side of each, but so far, so good. ObGrungeInTheMannerOfRob: I was just listening to Lush in my office. I think they have their grungey moments. Good enough or do I have to go hide my head in the 4AD group? Which reminds me, I thought I detected a bit of Manchester-ish swirl in Bro's Cabin. Anyone else notice this, or am I just losing it? Mike --- Ain't got time for no .sig. Well, maybe one: Mathematica(Tm) sucks. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael J. Booth" Subject: An apology To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1991 18:53:03 CDT It occurs to me that it's not nice to slag somebody's program in one's signature, even if one is very annoyed. If anyone was offended, I'm sorry. Really, Mathematica is very good sometimes. There, now I feel better. I was going to ask... How does Skin Yard fit in? If Sound Garden, Metallica, The Misfits and Nirvana were some (non-orthoganal) compass points, were would Fist Sized Chunks be? I almost bought it yesterday, but I thought I might wait before I make myself poorer. Lush continues to play in my office. There are definitely some grungey bits, and "Leaves me Cold" must be grunge just for the lyrics (that is, if I understand them right). Very Penitent, Mike ---- I will not slag defenseless programs. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Badmotorfinger To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1991 13:43:18 EDT While you all are blurting out praises about Ledgarden, I was having a blast listening to the new Helmet 45. (On VINYL) Volker -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADAVFS%UBE.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: nirvvid To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1991 14:53:38 EDT Did anyone else see the Nirvana vid on eMpTy-Vee last nite? A friend called me and suggested that I tune in - They had apparently announced that "Smells like Teen Spirit" was about to run. Well, it was one of the worst, aimedat-a-highschool-audience videos I've ever seen! Afterwards, we wondered if it was a Geffen Idea or Nirvanas "brainstorm." Here's hoping for the former... P>S> Check out Gas Huffers LP on EMPTY RECS! It "Grunges"!! - Volker -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dana Buoniconti Subject: sndg, mlb, totd, pj, and sy To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1991 17:29:35 EST Can anyone explain how Soundgarden, Mother Love Bone, Temple of the Dog, and Pearl Jam are all related? Anyone know when a new album from Sonic Youth is gonna be out? And are they even considered grungy? By the way, Soundgarden is opening for GnR on the next leg of their tour....a much better choice than Skid Row.... db. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Re: sndg, mlb, totd, pj, and sy To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1991 19:07:56 EDT > Can anyone explain how Soundgarden, Mother Love Bone, Temple of > the Dog, and Pearl Jam are all related? > To make a long story shorter: Soundgarden is Chris, Matt, Kim and Ben Mother Love Bone was Andy, Jeff, Stone, Greg, and shit! Someone else. Temple of the Dog is Jeff and Stone from MLB, and Chris and Matt from SG Pearl Jam is Stone and Jeff from TotD and MLB, with Mike and someone else from TotD. Chris was housemates with Andy. TotD was a tribute project dedicated to Andy. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu - hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm -- -- rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Broc'sMisfitLushBleachCabin To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1991 21:14:17 EDT Michael Booth mentions: >I've been reading this list for a couple of months. Yesterday I baptized >(bankrupted?) myself by purchasing Bleach and Broc's Cabin. Frankly, I >was a bit surprised. I was expecting something different, though I'm not >sure what. I'd be interested in hearing what you think of my review vis a' vis the album (_Broc's Cabin_) now that you've heard it. Perhaps I need to work on my descriptions more, as I would hope that I painted a decent picture of what it would sound like. Waves of buzzing guitar. Uncomprehensible vocals. I apologize if you feel I steered you wrong. Sometimes I get overly enthusiastic about things, you know. :) I'll try harder. >Anyway, I've only listened to the first side of each, but so far, so good. Well, if you think they suck, or they're just okay, feel free to say so. Everyone's got different tastes. Perhaps I'll be able to recommend something more to your liking. >ObGrungeInTheMannerOfRob: I was just listening to Lush in my office. I think >they have their grungey moments. Good enough or do I have to go hide my head >in the 4AD group? I like Lush quite a bit (along with a lot of the other fellow shoe-gazers that woj brought up but was barely followed up on) and I think there's some grungy bits here and there, but I'd be hesitant to recommend them here, in IMHO. They have a new EP due out within the next couple of weeks, by the way. I'm already drooling. A local record joint also claims there'll be something new by My Bloody Valentine but I think they're just confused. >Which reminds me, I thought I detected a bit of Manchester-ish swirl in >Bro's Cabin. Anyone else notice this, or am I just losing it? I would say that's very true. The Rein Sanction sound definitely swirls and feeds upon itself, although it's *much* harsher than any shoe-gaze stuff, eh woj? I know he wasn't overly impressed with _Broc's_ either. >Mathematica(Tm) sucks. You ain't kiddin'. >"Leaves me Cold" must be grunge just for the lyrics (that is, >if I understand them right). I've tried to figure out some lyrics myself, with little luck, but from what I've gotten, I would agree with you on that statement. If anyone has Lush lyrics, heck, I'd be happy to hear them. Same with Rein Sanction. How's the Nirvana lyric project going? By the way, Joe, I forgot to mention, but you were correct on all points. I sometimes hear things that I think are more appropriate to the overall text, whereas people don't necessarily write things that way. >I will not slag defenseless programs. I would. :) ObGrungeCurrentTurntableResident: Samhain's _November Coming Fire_ LP For all the talk of Danzig and Misfits, I'm very surprised that no one has brought up this stuff. I prefer it out of the three, although Misfits tunage really is classic. Remember folks, I'm not making recommendations here. I'm just telling you what's currently living on my turntable/in my cd player. Hopefully it'll spark some conversation, and we can discuss/rate/recommend for-against then. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not make flatulent noises in expensive restaurants. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: woj%REMUS.RUTGERS.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: broc's cabin in a lush forest To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1991 21:32:22 EDT Rob Vaughn sez: >I like Lush quite a bit (along with a lot of the other fellow shoe-gazers that >woj brought up but was barely followed up on) and I think there's some >grungy bits here and there, but I'd be hesitant to recommend them here, in >IMHO. oh, i dunno. i think that a lot of the folk here would be keen on lush. loud, guitars swirling, female vocals. they were excellent live and rather entertaining. sure, they are a toned-down version of my bloody valentine, but they are still worth checking out. though i think they are turning into the cocteau twins... >They have a new EP due out within the next couple of weeks, by the way. I'm >already drooling. A local record joint also claims there'll be something >new by My Bloody Valentine but I think they're just confused. the new ep is out. i forgot the title already though. "black spring" or something very much like that. i have not had a chance to go look for it yet (later this week i hope), but initial reports say "cocteau-ish". it is produced by robin guthrie, so i am not surprised. the "new" my bloody valentine release is their self-titled release which is being domestically released finally the first week of november. fore- warned though: that release is lot more song-oriented than their current sound, which is a smear of sound. >>Which reminds me, I thought I detected a bit of Manchester-ish swirl in >>Bro's Cabin. Anyone else notice this, or am I just losing it? >I would say that's very true. The Rein Sanction sound definitely swirls and >feeds upon itself, although it's *much* harsher than any shoe-gaze stuff, >eh woj? I know he wasn't overly impressed with _Broc's_ either. just put it back on ye olde turntable (for some reason, i bought the german pressing, dunno why). and you know, i like it better this time. i think the manchester sound is due to the excessive use of the wa-wa on the guitar though. slightly psychedelic. there is even a bit complexity in the drum beat. hmmm. i might have to re-evaluate this record. woj@remus.rutgers.edu - dj-for-hire - so many shimmydiscs so little time -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: JelloL7Misfits To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1991 21:37:57 EDT Home, home on the range... j spews: >(and for the uninitiated: Zoogz is a very fat, very ugly man who plays >((usually)) very ugly music. He's generally compared to Zappa and Well, I've seen all those things on SST, but that's about it. Their descriptions are not very appealing. If you were to recommend one album to start with, which one would it be? ------------------------------------- Volker offers: > It seems to me that Glenn Danzig, unlike scotch, gets worse the >longer he ages. I find Danzig (the "band") quite boring. Samhain wasn't >exactly exciting (too affectedly gloomy), but it had its uniqueness. I actually liked the horror stuff Samhain did. When I started getting sick of the whole punk thing, this seemed like a good turn to me. It's kinda hard to describe their music (whose isn't, right?) but one thing I'm always quick to point out is that they're one of the few "rock" bands I've heard that used chimes to add to that real "haunting" effect. Now, before everyone jumps on me with endless lists of bands that have used chimes in their music, let me focus your attention on the "rock" part above. I've heard chimes plenty of times in music, but not the sort of guitar-based stuff Samhain did. Like, if I heard them in a rap song, I would be impressed as well. >you a good idea of what was going on then. There is also a 1983 ep >entitled "Earth AD" (or "Wolf's Blood" if you find the German import) that >is way more hardcore than "Walk Among Us." There was also the posthumous >CD release (simply called "The Misfits") from 1986 as well as an LP that >was almost its counterpart ("Legacy of Brutality") that were collections I have most of the originals from the Plan 9 label. _Earth A.D._ and _Wolfs Blood_ was released there on one LP, and there's also the _Die My Darling_ 12" single and the _Evil Live_ live LP. Samhain stuff on that label that I have is the _Initium_ LP, _Unholy Passion_ EP, and _November Coming Fire_ LP. ------------------------------------- Chip Hart opinions: >Whoa. I thought everyone had this. On my CD, after >"Something in the Way," the disk goes silent, until roughly >13:51 of the same track, the boys come back on, doing >something VERY heavy, fuzzed, and not too good. I can give a >better description, if you want. Okay, let's face it guys, you're just trying to scam the rest of us. Or y'all own a bunch of cheap poop cd players, with like, 0 times oversampling or something. Actually, I'm just sour graping 'cause mine isn't like that. :( ------------------------------------- Brian Jarvinen rambles: >"1969", "I Wanna Be Yr Dog" (where do you think Sonic Youth learned >how to spell 'Yr' Well, their cover of it on _Confusion is Sex_ is what really won me over to them the first time I heard that album. Especially since I had it cranked, and it just exploded on me. >Finally, does anyone have a release date for the next L7 songs to be shared >with the public? Well, it turns out that the Epitaph LP should have already been released in the US as well. Has anyone seen this yet? Heard it even? Well, is it any good? ------------------------------------- Then weejer mentions more L7 stuff: >Self titled? LP (Chameleon) around '88 I think. Well, the name of the release on Epitaph is _L7_ so you're probably correct when you asked if it was a re-release. Makes sense. ------------------------------------- Lastly AAR points out: >Jello showed up in 'Tapeheads'. The two main characters had just >ruined a corrupt politician's career by showing an X-rated video with >said politico on National TV. So the FCC comes by, as none other than >Mr. Biafra, and says, "we're going to do the same to you as Jello >Biafra", or something along those lines. The conclusion? Mr. Biafra >has a martyr complex, but he can still churn out some good records >("Tumor Circus"'s first single, for example). I think I stopped liking Jello right after the whole trial thing with Gieger's art in the _Frankenchrist_ album. His moaning and self-martyring just drove me crazy, and in a sense, I was somewhat relieved when the DKs broke up. I thought _Bedtime for Democracy_ was missing the wit and sarcasm of their earlier stuff, and was much too preachy and whiney. There's still lots of good stuff coming out of Alt. Tentacles, I must agree. And I still get an occasional laugh out of his spoken word stuff. Bozo the Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: flu flu fluid To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1991 20:09:11 MDT ok here's the obFluid post-concert report: A very good show at Tulagis on the Hill in Boulder, CO. Started out with James showing up in a sex-pistols style wig. pete and I gave him some shit it was sooo funny. JohnR then shows up with a Ramoes style hariwig with BIG white plastic sunglasses on! so funny! so John sits down with us and we chat and I buy him a beer. They've hired a mgr. but still NO news on a record deal. The guys are getting anxious and MAY go with an indie who has major label distribution. If this happens new material out by feb. if they have to haggle and negotiate a major lable (red tape bs) deal it may be awhile. will keep ya tuned. Then the other fluid guys come over and stoltz starts filling out the song list for the night!!! Going mostly with the bands suggs, then pete sneaks in Closet Case and KickoutTheJams! The set list starts AND ends with "Oh shit". another new song was played called "one eye out" good as usual. they continued to play - we were in front of james and JohnR the entire show - making voodoo hand signals at james' guitar and otherwise messing around and jumping around!! A bunch of room up front and I grabbed JohnR and held him above my head for a bit with others making sure he didnt die. :-) James and I grooved on "Waves" and laughed after his fav "fuck song" ended! oh yeah, JohnR let me sing on "Wasted Time". Encore was led by ricky pretty much and started *AND* ended with "Oh shit" so they played it 4 times! Afterwards gulping down much water and chattin with JohnR about other things.... They're headed out to calif and seattle near begin of nov. so watch for em and go hear the new material. They may play in denver once more before they leave so if any info comes out during my chats with them - you'll all know. ::j ok pete: did I leave anything out besides all the *great* looking women there?? -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: Nirvana lyrics project To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 09:28:00 EST Hey Grungers, I have completed transcribing the Nirvana lyrics on "Nevermind". Some songs are just impossible and I don't even know if Kur(d)t knows what he's saying :)> I just got "Bleach" this weekend so I hope to be amazed again. I tried to find out about an anonymous ftp site here at school, but no one has permission to 'put' stuff there, except some boss, somewhere. I guess I can just e-mail the lyrics to anyone who requests them, or post them if enough requests come in. I also transcribed 'Dive' too, but that's another vague one in places. Please noe flames for bad ears. I tried :)> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, if you have better ears or imagination. :)> joe@rit Home of the TLA's EAG (Ears Are Going) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth Ann Schaefer Subject: My Bloody Valentine To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 08:43:25 -0500 Rob had mentioned something about some record store employees mentioning the new MBV LP Yup there is one. I should be getting a copy hopefully next week but I saw on my order sheets thats it's scheduled for release domestically on November 5. Stupid unfounded rumors say they spent 250,000 pounds and Creation is up for sale. I said that was just a rumor. Beth. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: My Bloody Valentine To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 10:05:26 EDT Beth reports in: >Rob had mentioned something about some record store employees mentioning the >new MBV LP Yup there is one. I should be getting a copy hopefully next In some mail from woj I found out that it's actually just a domestic release of MBV's first LP. I have the import of this, and although I personally like it, it's definitely my least favorite of all the MBV releases I have, and I would actually warn people away from buying it without hearing it first. It's much more of a formal/standard commercial sound than their marvelous sound-washes of late, it's somewhat crude, and (I hate to say it) it even has a bit of a "country" tinge to these biased ears. >week but I saw on my order sheets thats it's scheduled for release >domestically on November 5. Stupid unfounded rumors say they spent 250,000 >pounds and Creation is up for sale. I said that was just a rumor. I love this rumor thing. It is pretty amazing how terrible some of the smaller labels are at managing their money, though. People claim it's easy to start your own label, but managing it once it's big seems beyond most people. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- A staplegun is not a toy. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: MBV retraction/correction To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 10:39:54 EDT Hi folks, I just got some mail from Beth Ann Schaefer who has talked to a Warner Bros. rep, who says that the upcoming My Bloody Valentine release on Nov. 5th will be new material, not a reissue. I certainly hope that's the case, since I already have the first LP. :) Does anyone have any further details on this, such as a name? Anything? My apologies for spreading incorrect and possibly misleading information. Feel free *not* to abuse me for it, by the way. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not make claims about upcoming MBV releases. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: An apology To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 09:48:53 EDT > I was going to ask... How does Skin Yard fit in? If Sound Garden, > Metallica, The Misfits and Nirvana were some (non-orthoganal) compass > points, were would Fist Sized Chunks be? I almost bought it yesterday, > but I thought I might wait before I make myself poorer. As a prime advocate of FSC, I'd put Skin Yard between Nirvana and the melodic Metallica stuff (specifically, To Live is To Die). Yeah, sorta' like a melodic Nirvana (and by that, I mean my mom would be able to last longer with "Slow Runner" than she would with "Negative Creep"). The more I think about it, tunes like "Something in the Way" remind me a bit of S Y. So there. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont You can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a women's man, no time to talk... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Badmotorfinger To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 09:50:29 EDT > While you all are blurting out praises about Ledgarden, I was having > a blast listening to the new Helmet 45. (On VINYL) Whoa. Who (whoops, we know that one), what, where, and when? Label? Title? C'mon, c'mon! -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont You can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a women's man, no time to talk... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Russ Poldrack Subject: Re: Badmotorfinger To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 10:00:38 CDT > Whoa. Who (whoops, we know that one), what, where, and when? > Label? Title? C'mon, c'mon! I think the title is Unsung, but I forget the B-side. It's on Amphet. Rep., and was recorded as a Peel session for BBC. The B side is actually a bit prettier (If you can beleive that) than other Helmet stuff. Good piece of wax. Russ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rockin' Jon Subject: Cool eMpTyV special at an uncool time. To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 11:10:25 EDT Over the weekend I saw a comercial for a very hip looking special geared for alot of you on this list. IT IS ON TODAY (Monday October 14th 1991)!!!!!!!! "A day on the Green" (I think) Monday October 14th 1991 at 11AM and at 2PM EST (I am assuming that this is the same thing repeated since TV Guide didn't call it parts 1 and 2, but watch both just in case. This may be impossible, since it is 11:10AM now!) Metallica Queensryche Faith No More, and Soundgarden! Live and interviews! And Yes I am taping it! Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu - hilgreen@eerie.acsu.buffalo.edu@ubvm -- -- rutgers!ub!hilgreen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --My opinions do no reflect the opinions of my employer unless specified. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: t Viikari Subject: Re: Broc'sMisfitLushBleachCabin To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 17:12:10 +0200 ObGrungeCurrentTurntableResident: Samhain's _November Coming Fire_ LP For all the talk of Danzig and 'fits, I'm very surprised that no one has brought up this stuff. ---This reminds me: should I buy the Samhain - Final Descent CD? I do have the Unholy Passion 12", but as far as I know there are some demo materail on the CD. Well?, t -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Russ Poldrack Subject: Nirvana (TM) To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 10:28:43 CDT I'm sure you're tired of Nirvana show reviews, but I have to relay what happened in Chicago on Saturday. They played at Cabaret Metro, home of what could be the biggest asshole bouncers ever. Anyway, Nirvana plays their show, several tunes I had not heard plus lots of new ones, Sliver, Negative Creep, all that shit. I guess they didn't feel like doing an encore, so they took to trashing the drummer's kit. Kurdt (Kurt?) took a couple chops at the bass drum with his Fender Jaguar (ouch!) and then traded that for some Strat which he proceeded to demolish. They completely trahsed the drum kit - I think the bass drum was in quite a few pieces. Meanwhile, the drummer was trying to set the neck of the Strat (which no longer had a body attached) on fire but to no avail. He later explained that that was the drum set that he had played for three years and he had just bought a new one. What bad boys they are. During the show, Kurt looked like he was having a terrible time, as if to say "get out of my face all you stupid suburban shitheads." It was fun and all, but I was less than inspired. Russ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I GOT A THORN IN MY SIDE Subject: A day on the Green tape To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 11:18:00 EST Hey Grunger, >Over the weekend I saw a comercial for a very hip looking special geared for >alot of you on this list. IT IS ON TODAY (Monday October 14th 1991)!!!!!!!! >"A day on the Green" (I think) >Monday October 14th 1991 at 11AM and at 2PM EST (I am assuming that this is >the same thing repeated since TV Guide didn't call it parts 1 and 2, but watch >both just in case. This may be impossible, since it is 11:10AM now!) >Metallica >Queensryche >Faith No More, >and Soundgarden! >Live and interviews! >And Yes I am taping it! >Jon YEa yea yea, I was gonna ask is anybody was taping this. i saw the commercial for it last night and then found out it was on during the day, sucks. They think everybody gets Columbus Day off :)> I gotta see this one Jon, whatta guy. joe@rit Home of the TLA's -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Vaughn Subject: Re: Broc'sMisfitLushBleachCabin To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 11:40:23 EDT t asks: >>ObGrungeCurrentTurntableResident: Samhain's _November Coming Fire_ LP >---This reminds me: should I buy the Samhain - Final Descent CD? I do have the >Unholy Passion 12", but as far as I know there are some demo materail on >the CD. I have a tape of the demos that appear on _Final Descent_ and I am less than impressed. Looks to me like Plan 9 just dumped the _Unholy Passion_ single, some live stuff and some demos onto a disc and are looking to make $$$. All the reviews I've read have said to skip it as well. Rob -- Rob Vaughn Material Sciences Computing Cornell University rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet -- I will not burp a wet one while talking to policemen. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.'Doc' Exby" Subject: only grun videos To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 09:45:20 MDT well hurrah. This Friday in Denver, United Cable channel 42 at 10pm - Teletunes (local indy alt. video show) will have 2hrs of grunge videos! should be a good time.... this has been planned for some time and now teletunes is doing the "grunge only" vids. I'll let ya know if theres anything inspiring shown. ::j -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: Re: Fear To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 10:45:59 -0500 YO! What movie was that? With Jello as a cop? That's one I gotta catch... FRANKenChRIST -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth Ann Schaefer Subject: Re: MBV retraction/correction To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 10:59:49 CDT > > Hi folks, > > I just got some mail from Beth Ann Schaefer who has talked to a Warner Bros. > rep, who says that the upcoming My Bloody Valentine release on Nov. 5th will > be new material, not a reissue. I certainly hope that's the case, since I > already have the first LP. :) > > Does anyone have any further details on this, such as a name? Anything? > My apologies for spreading incorrect and possibly misleading information. > Feel free *not* to abuse me for it, by the way. > > Rob > > -- > Rob Vaughn > Material Sciences Computing > Cornell University > rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu > rob@crnlmsc3.bitnet > -- > I will not make claims about upcoming MBV releases. > I have been reading in the Brit rags and know that they've been in the studio so I was assuming that it was the new one but I'm probably wrong I'm good at that. I'll see for sure until I open my big o'mouth again. Beth. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Haas Subject: Re: sndg, mlb, totd, pj To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 08:28:20 PDT > > Can anyone explain how Soundgarden, Mother Love Bone, Temple of > the Dog, and Pearl Jam are all related? > Sure. Jeff Amett (bass) and Stone Gossard (Guitar) were in Mother Love Bone. They broke up when front man (is that one word?) Andrew Wood died. Jeff and Stone went on to form Pearl Jam. Chris Cornell (singer) and Matt Cameron (drums) are in Soundgarden. They colaborated with Jeff and Stone to record the Temple of the Dog record, a Andrew Wood tribute sorta thing. BTW Mike McCready (PJ Lead Guitar) also plays on the record. Before MLB, Stone, Jeff and other MLB guitarist Bruce Fairwether (sp?) were in a band called Green River with Mudhoney voxmaster Mark Arm. There is a two album on one disc thing out on sub pop containing the albums Rehab Doll and Dry as a Bone. Top Notch Grunge (IMHO). Another thing these guys have done together is appear in a yet to be released movie. Its going to be called "Singles". It is supposedly about the seattle music scene. The brainchild of a spouse of a famous musician, but I can't remember who. Maybe someone else out there knows. Anyway, it stars Matt Dillon as the front man of a band called Citizen Dick. The backup band is none other than Pearl Jam. Soundgarden and Alice in Chains are in the movie too, but I don't know in what capacity. They did the filming last spring, and haven't heard much about it since. Has anyone else? john haas@intermec.com > > By the way, Soundgarden is opening for GnR on the next leg of their > tour....a much better choice than Skid Row.... > > db. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: Re: sndg, mlb, totd, pj, and sy To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 11:09:39 -0500 jon sez: >Soundgarten is Chris, Matt, Kim and Ben >Mother Love Bone was Andy, Jeff, Stone, Greg, and shit! Someone else. >Temple of the Dog is Jeff and Stone from MLB, and Chris and Matt from SG >Pearl Jam is Stone and Jeff from TotD and MLB, with Mike and someone else from > TotD. >Chris was housemates with Andy >TotD was a triblute project dedidcated to Andy. Man, am I glad that's cleared up! For a minute there.. I was confused! EGADS!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On another matter (thus the line o'Tildays), I've heard that several people out there have their own bands... Far out, sez I.. any chance that I could get a sampling of your own, special and tasty blend of grunge? Such as demo's, jam sessions, etc... That would be oh so awesome.. Mail me at: leper@judy.indstate.edu and thanx a mil. FRANKenChRIST leper@judy.indstate.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Archangel Subject: Re: JelloL7Misfits To: Multiple recipients of list GRUNGE-L Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 11:23:19 -0500 uh-oh... "Bozo the Rob" blurts: >I think I stopped liking Jello right after the whole trial thing with >Gieger's art in the _Frankenchrist_ album. His moaning and self-martyring >just drove me crazy, ~~yeah, but you've got to admit, the _spoken word_ album is funnier 'n hell! > and in a sense, I was somewhat relieved when the DKs >broke up. ~~AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH! Blasphemer!! Die scum! No, just kidding. You're right.. Jello has become too preachy. Now don't get me wrong, I adore Mr. Biafra excessively, but I can't stand someone that keeps saying how much of a victim he is and how the system (oh the allusive and ambiguous system) is just out to get him. I try to look at Jello's stuff (post-DK) with a comical eye because a lot of it is just plain hiliarious (but I'm not quite sure he meant it that way). As to good stuff coming out of Alternative Tentacles... AMEN BROTHER ROB! Lard, DOA, NoMeansNo... the list is hellish. He